June 9, 2025

Bubbles After All: The Wizard of Oz

Bubbles After All: The Wizard of Oz
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Ever wonder what really happened behind the scenes of The Wizard of Oz? The yellow brick road was paved with dangerous stunts, toxic makeup, and shocking studio practices that would never be allowed today.

From the moment we pull back the curtain on this 1939 classic, the horrors emerge. Buddy Ebsen, the original Tin Man, was hospitalized after aluminum dust makeup coated his lungs. His replacement wasn't even told why the actor he replaced had left! Margaret Hamilton, our beloved Wicked Witch, suffered severe burns when pyrotechnics ignited too early, leaving her with third-degree burns on her face and hands. The crew's first concern? Removing her toxic green makeup before it poisoned her through open wounds.

Meanwhile, 16-year-old Judy Garland endured what can only be described as studio-sanctioned abuse. Her daily diet consisted of black coffee, cigarettes, and one bowl of chicken soup, supplemented with amphetamines to keep her energetic during filming and barbiturates to force sleep at night. This studio-mandated regimen contributed to her lifelong struggles with addiction.

The film cycled through four different directors, leaving noticeable continuity errors throughout. The famous "Over the Rainbow" song nearly didn't make the cut, saved only when a producer threatened to quit. Even the "snow" that falls on Dorothy and friends in the poppy field was made from chrysotile asbestos – a known carcinogen that actors breathed in while singing and dancing.

Despite all these production nightmares, The Wizard of Oz transformed from a box office disappointment into one of cinema's most treasured films. Listen as we journey through the troubled making of this classic, debunk longstanding myths, and reveal how this magical adventure came with a very real human cost.

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Harmetz, Aljean. The Making of The Wizard of Oz. (Referenced via Vanity Fair and TIME)

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TIME – “Was The Wizard of Oz Cursed? The Truth Behind the Dark Stories”time.comtime.com

CBS News / Sun-Sentinel – Buddy Ebsen’s Tin Man recollectionsvanityfair.com

American Cinematographer – “Behind the Curtain: Wizard of Oz” (ASC)theasc.comtheasc.com

Columbia News – “Over the Rainbow: Story Behind the Song”news.columbia.edu

SlashFilm – “The Wizard of Oz Almost Premiered Without Its Signature Song”slashfilm.com

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00:00 - Episode Introduction

04:11 - Drinking Modelo Aguas Frescas

10:42 - Wizard of Oz Production History

20:02 - Casting Changes and Actor Hardships

26:43 - Dangerous Set Accidents and Injuries

36:24 - The Munchkins and Child Abuse

49:36 - Debunking the Munchkin Suicide Myth

52:23 - Favorite Scenes and Final Thoughts

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Oh, hey there, hey there.

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How are you today, kate?

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I'm good, I am Kate and I am Bradley.

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And we are the History Buffoons.

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We sure are, and we are at the pod loft.

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I am not putting the painting behind me because we have not secured it yet to the wall, nor have I painted the blue part.

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So it's just so many things so if these fall down and scare me that'd be great.

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I'm gonna toss this table in case anyone didn't watch the video for the last episode, you missed out Because it was right away.

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You don't even have to watch the whole video, you just got to watch like the first 30 seconds.

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The picture attacked me.

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Full on attack.

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Knife wielding like, jumped out and went aye, aye, aye, aye.

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Okay, Life-wielding like, jumped out and went aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, Okay, so today we are going to drink the Modelo Spiked Aguas.

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Frescas.

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Oh, it's Water Fresca.

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Aguas, yes, aguas Frescas.

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And I have the Flor de Jamaica in perfect Spanish, I'm telling you Perfect Spanish, I'm telling you Perfect Spanish.

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You wouldn't even be able to tell that you were born in Nebraska.

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With that, I have the piña Perfect Spanish.

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Piña.

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Okay, so mine is hibiscus flavored, yours is pineapple flavored.

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That is correct.

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Okay, so, if you didn't know, this is from Mexico.

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Just like avocados.

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Yeah, it's a 4.5 um alcohol per volume.

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So you did say it was medello.

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So if people don't know.

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Medello is from mexico, so yes, you know, but you've tried, so we've got four flavors actually.

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So our backups I, we could talk about our backups to backstory is my.

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My mother in law doesn't drink a lot.

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She likes to have one here and there, and so we went over there for Memorial Day.

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And she goes Brad, have you ever seen these before?

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I'm like I have not.

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And I'm like would you like to try them?

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And she's like yeah, so she bought them for you.

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No, I ran out bottom oh, she saw a picture of it, or an ad, okay sorry, I guess I forgot to say that.

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So she showed me a picture on her phone.

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Have you ever seen these?

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I'm like no.

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So I ran out to two stores because the first one didn't have it yeah uh, and I should have just went to the second store.

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I knew that from the get-go and but whatever, uh, so I brought them back and then I proceeded to have six of them, and she had two okay, so you've had all four flavors I have, yes, okay so hibiscus, pineapple, and then I also have the um pepino y limon, the cucumber lime, lime, which I'm super excited to try.

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I mean, if you want to try that one, first go ahead.

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I was super shocked that I liked that one because of the cucumber aspect of it yeah.

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Not very cucumber-y at all, thank God.

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A little bit on the back end maybe, yeah, but I also have sandia.

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Show the folks Sandia.

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Yeah, do you know what that is in Spanish Sandia?

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Yeah, do you know?

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what that is in Spanish Sandia, sandy.

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No, I don't Watermelon.

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I think sand like oh beach is like playa or something.

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What's up playa.

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Something like that.

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Okay, All right, anyway, what's up?

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beach Okay so I'm going to try the hibiscus first.

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I'm going to have the piña.

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Oh hello.

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Not bad right, so I've had all four.

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I kept a flavor of each for this podcast.

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Wow, she's enjoying it.

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So good.

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She's definitely going to get into her second one soon, so I kept a flavor of each from when my mother-in-law and I tried them, because I knew Kate would be excited to try them as well, and plus her Modelo.

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So good isn't it.

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I really liked that one.

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I feel like you should leave this just a flavor I can.

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Oh, that's's probably gonna be mostly backwash but so maybe not, maybe we'll just maybe we'll just go buy some yeah, maybe we'll just go buy some more, but uh, anyways, while I'm still trying to tell this for the third time now, oh, my word, sorry I laugh until I cough yeah, you do, and you cough until you laugh um.

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Anyway, I don't even know what the fuck I was saying anymore I'm so sorry so I I kept the flavor of each so kate could try them.

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And then we figured we could try them on one of our episodes, so I gave her my two favorite flavors.

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I took the two that I thought were they're not bad, they're just not as good as those two.

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So I gave you the two better of the four.

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But yeah, we'll have to buy another variety pack.

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I think that's all they come in is a variety pack.

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We'll have to buy another one.

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So we can try that and apparently guzzle that.

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Yeah, glug, glug, probably Alright, let me take a sip.

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Finally, oh, you haven't even done that.

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Well, you kept interrupting my story so I kept trying to finish it.

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What were you saying?

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Yeah, refreshing.

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What was your favorite movie growing up in middle school, high school, maybe even into college?

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Star wars.

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I should have known.

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I don't know why you asked me that question you know what my head went to.

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No.

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Gladiator and I was like, that's why I specified middle school, high school.

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Of course it's Star Wars.

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I was 20 when Gladiator came out.

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Which is why I specified yeah.

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I would have been 20, because it just celebrated its 25th anniversary a couple weeks ago, do you?

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know what my favorite movie is from back then?

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Sound of music?

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No, but that's such a lovely movie.

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That's a good guess.

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I love Julie Andrews.

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She's one of my favorites.

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She is yes.

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What is your favorite Wizard?

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of Oz.

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Oh duh.

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See, I know, it's like I knew that I know and I knew.

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Yeah, that's my bad, that's my bad, yeah.

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Anyway, Cheers to that You're like.

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Oh, please do Please.

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Cheers.

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We're going to talk about the production history.

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Oh, so are you actually doing this?

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Oh, yeah, do you remember who first suggested this?

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Nope Elle.

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Thanks Elle.

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Don't have to yell.

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Thanks, elle, nope Al, thanks Al don't have to yell thanks, al less editing.

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I am doing the backstory of the production of Wizard of Oz.

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So do we finally find out if there is someone who hung themselves in the forest?

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oh, I've known this for a long time, but yes, I'll tell the world that it's fake.

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I'll tell the world.

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You heard it here probably 12th world.

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Do you know what year it was released in?

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1930.

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Yes, oh shit, For some reason I keep thinking seven.

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Close.

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But it's not.

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It's higher, I know, but it's not, I know it's 39.

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It is 39.

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Good job.

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For some reason my brain kept going to seven.

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I'm like that's not right, but I knew it was late thirties, so yeah 39.

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Yeah, so obviously one of the most like iconic films.

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Oh yes, oh yeah, but there were a little bit of chaos, um of chaos, um behind the scenes there were some a lot of casting changes, accidents, bizarre studio decisions, just shoveling pills and coffee down.

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Uh, duty garland's throat, basically, um yep but at the same time, they were breaking new ground because color technicolor yeah, not just color technicolor technically was technicolor, um, and like special effects were coming up too, like there was a whole bunch of like advanced right movie making spectacles and all this oh for sure.

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I mean, it was a fucking feat of its day it was what they did, and I don't know if you go over this.

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So I'm sorry, but I keep thinking about this.

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I'm sorry if you do go over this.

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Did you know how they did the the black and white to color?

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You do know that is that in your story?

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Probably not okay.

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Well then, how?

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How do they do it?

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let me rearrange my back okay they um so the transition between the sapia house with the sapia dorothy into the rainbow color of oz.

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They used a double and they painted the whole inside of the house or that scene they painted it all in sepia tones I always thought it was sepia, but all right, tomato, tomato or sepia sepia yeah, um yeah, they painted.

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They painted dorothy yeah, a stand-in.

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They painted a stand-in in her sepia tones stunt double or backup or whatever they called it back then.

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She didn't really have a stunt double to say but yeah wild how they did that yeah so yeah, um, and it's actually probably one of the most used films.

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In other films, like, there's lots of homages, homages, homage, homage.

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They itched their me off um wow okay, there's like homage, homage after homage herzegovina yeah, um jesus, lots of easter eggs throughout the film industry, industry, oh, yeah, for sure, I mean it's, I mean first.

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First of all, we're not in kansas anymore.

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Yeah, yeah, there's no place like home absolutely, or something about toto or yeah we're not whatever yeah, yeah so, um, it's probably I think it's one of the highest, if not the highest rated movie with, because of all the homages, like that movie is well does that make sense.

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I'm not using my words, right, but I'm just gonna.

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Well, you got to think about it too, though.

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I mean, it is 86 years old, yeah, so it's been around a long fucking time.

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So it makes sense, and it's such an iconic film, even with all the shenanigans, that went on, you know, during production and so on.

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But I mean it's, there's not many people.

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I mean my kids have watched it.

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I don't think Vesper remembers it, but Xavier likes it.

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Yeah.

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So I mean it's really like a timeless classic movie.

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Do you know who my favorite character was?

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Cowardly Lion.

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Why.

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I don't know.

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You told me to answer and I did.

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That was your first answer.

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Yeah, no.

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I know it wasn't right, okay.

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No, I don't know who it is.

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The wicked bitch.

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Yeah.

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She's my favorite.

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Yeah, okay, so first off, yes, dorothy Gale.

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Yes, I have my omeprazole now.

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Oh, thank God.

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So there's not a whole lot of acid reflux, but there still are burps.

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Okay, Bubbles after all.

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Bubbles after all, okay.

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That's the title, sorry.

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Okay, so Judy Garland almost wasn't Dorothy.

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Gale yeah, I'd actually heard that.

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Do you know who mgm studios initially considered?

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I, I'm drawing a blank shirley temple.

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That's right she was very, very popular in the 30s.

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She was huge in the 30s and they wanted to like further capitalize on her popularity right.

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I grew up watching shirley temple movies with my mom I don't think I've seen a single one there's always one that I remember that we're like in a mountain pass or something heidi is that, heidi okay?

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I've seen like a remake, but yeah so temple was actually under contract with 20th century fox.

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Oh, and negotiations to like loan her out wasn't a thing like they're.

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Like no, we're not going to give up our star, because back then they they all had, like like humphrey bogart had a contract with such studio, whatever, so like they basically got to use and abuse you like well, hey, you're in this movie, like I'm not doing that with no, no, you are because, yeah, you have a contract yeah, so we're using you in this movie.

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It's wild how different it is today compared back then.

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But you know they would sign like a ridiculous amount of picture deal.

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Yeah, and they owned you, yep, so yep.

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So, um, also they, they didn't want shirley, so obviously, like 20th century fox wasn't going to give up shirley temple.

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But they thought that was probably a good thing because they didn't think that shirley temple had, like, the right voice to sing somewhere over the rainbow.

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Oh really.

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She wasn't mature enough to sing that song.

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Did she, did she?

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I guess I don't recall.

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Did she sing, I'm sure?

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she did, yeah, she sang and dance.

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Okay, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they're like Judy Garland, who was 16 at this time.

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Right, had a mature singing voice, right, and a stronger like emotional range.

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Okay, um, and so they went with judy garland after, like their test recordings and stuff.

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How?

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old was shirley temple.

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At this time did you say oh, I didn't say how old she was.

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Judy garland was 16.

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I don't recall.

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I can look it up real quick, um well and while you do that, I can.

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I can tell you that this is the second time in three episodes that we brought up Shirley Temple.

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What.

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We were talking about Shirley Temple to drink in our conversation episode.

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Okay, I remember that.

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So, Jeez, louise, you have the weirdest memory I know.

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Okay, so Shirley Temple was born in 28, 1928.

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So she would have only been 11.

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Wow, jeez.

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Okay, makes sense then.

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Okay, so 16-year-old, wow, geez, okay, makes sense that.

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Okay, so um 16 year old judy garland.

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Yeah, she still wasn't quite young enough.

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Quote unquote young enough for their vision?

00:14:15.269 --> 00:14:16.312
Yep, the studio's vision.

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So what did they do?

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They starved her they bound her body in corsets um and altered her face.

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Yeah.

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Like they gave her like a little like button nose and stuff.

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I don't think that made it into the film.

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I don't think it did, but it's like come on and then, yes, a very strict diet of coffee and pills chicken soup one meal a day.

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Was that for the soul?

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Chicken soup, black coffee and cigarettes.

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Yep, that was the other thing.

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Yeah, yes, because that works.

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Pure 16-year-old God wild times back then.

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I have a picture that's going to come up on our social media, but it's basically a visual that I created of what her meals would look like Coffee and cigarettes for the morning.

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Okay.

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Chicken soup, probably mostly broth I'm sure with cigarettes for lunch.

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Coffee and cigarettes for a snack.

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Coffee and cigarettes for dinner that is just wild, that they could get away with that even in 19th.

00:15:19.951 --> 00:15:20.801
Well, what's 20?

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38 when they filmed at, 37 when they filmed it, 37 when they filmed it?

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Who knows?

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She was basically chain smoking 80 cigarettes a day to keep her appetite down.

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That's four packs of cigarettes.

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That's insane.

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No wonder she died when she was like, wasn't she in her 40s Right?

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Yeah, 40s right, like 46 or something like that, I don't recall.

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I know I'd have to look it up.

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I don't have her life memorized, but what?

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I know you've watched the movie so mgm also had another casting shuffle with um ray bulger yeah, because go ahead sorry no, that's okay because was what was the wait?

00:16:04.330 --> 00:16:06.861
I'm getting the names mixed up because one of them was allergic to the paint.

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What really?

00:16:10.168 --> 00:16:11.330
My tab, but why?

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Because I fidget with it you're gonna have to pay your tab now anyways yes.

00:16:17.405 --> 00:16:25.929
so yeah, they had ray bulger, yes, playing the tin man right, and buddy ebsen, yes, who was the original?

00:16:26.059 --> 00:16:27.285
That's the name I couldn't remember.

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Original Hillbillies Beverly Hillbillies guy.

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Yeah.

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I can't remember his name.

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Clampett, jed Clampett.

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Yes, that's right, good job.

00:16:35.933 --> 00:16:36.595
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, so Buddy Epson was going to be the Scarecrow.

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Yeah.

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And Bolger, which is like this, really lanky, almost like a robbery looking dancer, and that's kind of.

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That's kind of what he was known for Right, desperately wanted the scarecrow role.

00:16:53.118 --> 00:16:53.320
Right.

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It was like, basically, taylor made for him and he persuaded the studio to switch their parts.

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Okay.

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So Epson became Tin man.

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And then he became not Tin man because he was allergic to the.

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What is it?

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Was it a paint?

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Wasn't it like a lead-based paint or some stupid shit?

00:17:12.788 --> 00:17:13.109
like that.

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I will get to that in a moment.

00:17:17.971 --> 00:17:21.368
Okay, but initially their roles swapped okay.

00:17:21.539 --> 00:17:22.884
Wow, you just flipped me off when you did that.

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You're welcome, the Wicked Witch.

00:17:25.242 --> 00:17:26.445
Yeah're welcome, the Wicked Witch yeah.

00:17:26.866 --> 00:17:27.909
Margaret Hamilton.

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Yeah.

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Is the Wicked Witch.

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However, it started first with Oscar winning actress Gail Sondergaard.

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Not familiar with her works.

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She was mostly in the 20s and the 30s.

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She actually worked up into the 80s, um, I believe.

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But um, she was in the movie babes in toyland.

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Oh yeah, or maybe that was ray bulger, I don't remember anyways, but there, no, no, sorry, ray bulger was in babes of toyland yeah, that makes sense um gail, um soddenbark guard.

00:17:59.952 --> 00:18:05.819
So, son sondergaard, thank you, as if you said you're welcome, you're welcome.

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Any who's.

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She was in more.

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It looked like more foreign films.

00:18:13.826 --> 00:18:18.637
Oh, okay that came out in the us, if that makes any sense.

00:18:18.637 --> 00:18:35.503
I mean they were like foreign films, but they were anyway, it doesn't matter, it really doesn't so they arrange originally had her as the wicked witch and she was like a glamorous, pretty witch okay um, and they're like let's scrap this idea.

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We need a little bit of a scarier interpretation.

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So sodden guard was like that ain't me, so I'm gonna bow out peace, I'm out yep.

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And then margaret hamilton fully embraced that green skin with the crooked, hooked nose and warts and stuff and she effing delivered right yeah, especially when she got burned we will also get to that.

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I figured as much.

00:19:00.921 --> 00:19:10.325
Then the film's direction changed hands multiple times okay so we start with richard thorpe.

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He was the very first director.

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Okay, he shot for two weeks oh wow, in 1938, before the producer halted production due to terrible results.

00:19:21.450 --> 00:19:24.895
They just weren't happy, so they just did not like what he was coming out with, or whatnot.

00:19:25.057 --> 00:19:31.678
No, Thorpe had put Garland in a blonde wig and heavy makeup for a young girl.

00:19:32.290 --> 00:19:34.273
Wasn't that more true to the book though?

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Like wasn't she actually blonde in the book?

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I don't believe so.

00:19:37.933 --> 00:19:39.269
Maybe I'm thinking of something different.

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I don't believe so.

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I'm thinking of something different.

00:19:41.233 --> 00:19:42.817
I don't believe so, but she was a young girl.

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I would say she was probably shirley temple's age in the book like 11 or so.

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I do recall that I guess I didn't know it was the first director put her, tried to dress her up to make her look younger as well, with the wig and everything.

00:19:55.462 --> 00:19:59.019
I knew that, but I guess I didn't know it was a different director, okay they had four, four total shit.

00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:00.547
I never knew that, but I guess I didn't know it was a different director.

00:20:00.567 --> 00:20:05.662
Okay, they had four, four total shit, I never knew that so the second one, george kuker.

00:20:05.982 --> 00:20:08.008
He is uncredited okay um.

00:20:08.008 --> 00:20:26.900
He spent a few days refining the film's look okay he ditched the blonde wig, toned down garland's makeup to more of a natural look right and then re helped recast tin man after ebsen's departure, which we will talk about yeah thirdly, um victor fleming.

00:20:26.900 --> 00:20:34.511
Okay, he, he took over over the majority of the filming and he's kind of the one credited as the director.

00:20:34.531 --> 00:20:40.055
The director um, but he kind of instilled order on the production.

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Fleming would leave just before completion because he was offered to direct Gone with the Wind with Vivien Leigh.

00:20:50.922 --> 00:20:52.962
Oh, there you go.

00:20:53.463 --> 00:20:55.924
Which was also MGM, which makes sense.

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Then, final director King Vidor.

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King Vidor, he stepped in to finish the remaining scenes, notably the black and white scenes, the Kansas scenes at the beginning, including the Over the Rainbow song, gotcha.

00:21:12.796 --> 00:21:16.513
It took four directors to get Dorothy to the Emerald City.

00:21:16.614 --> 00:21:17.935
I never knew that.

00:21:18.117 --> 00:21:26.963
Okay, that's awesome yeah but because of all these changes, it resulted in continuity issues.

00:21:26.963 --> 00:21:35.195
Right, dorothy's hair length changes throughout the entire movie and I will insert a picture here.

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Okay, there's a short, there's a medium and there's a long.

00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:42.471
Yeah, yeah, and it's.

00:21:42.471 --> 00:21:57.279
It's funny, though, cause like I've seen that movie countless times throughout my life and without knowing that, like actually knowing it, I would have never guessed oh, it's no, I I did know about it, so I think it's noticeable, but I knew about it but you know about it.

00:21:57.279 --> 00:21:59.881
So if you're looking for it, you're gonna like oh yeah, it is longer, which I get, yeah, but me as a you know about it.

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So if you're looking for it, you're going to be like, oh yeah, it is longer which I get.

00:22:01.471 --> 00:22:10.317
Yeah, but me as a you know eight year old kid watching wizard of Oz, because when I was a kid I couldn't just pull it up on some streaming service.

00:22:10.317 --> 00:22:16.083
You had to wait for it to be on TV, and usually on and like the fall Thanksgiving.

00:22:16.083 --> 00:22:21.250
Oh, oh yeah.

00:22:21.250 --> 00:22:22.693
I watched it every year around that time.

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I remember sitting in this one particular blue recliner we had at our house and it was stormy day out or whatever.

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Snow sounds lovely it was great.

00:22:27.411 --> 00:22:42.021
And then just watched, watched a wizard of oz and I would have never guessed that because I was a fucking kid right so anyways so the legendary over the rainbow Rainbow song almost didn't make it into the film.

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Did you know that I did?

00:22:43.865 --> 00:22:44.346
not know that.

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They felt that the ballad slowed down the pacing and worried that kids would kind of get bored of the Kansas scenes because the big selling point was this Technicolor Oz, of course, of course.

00:22:56.351 --> 00:23:11.178
So associate producer Arthur Freed was so appalled that he issued an ultimatum to studio chief Louis B Mayor yeah, the song stays or I go.

00:23:11.178 --> 00:23:23.025
Wow, mayor relented and he famously famously said, quote let the boys have the damn song, put it back in the picture, it can't hurt.

00:23:23.025 --> 00:23:23.730
End quote.

00:23:24.069 --> 00:23:28.000
It was like one of the biggest parts of the movie because it was such a catchy tune.

00:23:28.871 --> 00:23:32.682
It won the Academy Award for Best Original Song.

00:23:34.010 --> 00:23:35.656
Just think if they would have never put that in there.

00:23:35.817 --> 00:23:35.958
Yeah.

00:23:36.810 --> 00:23:40.478
Do you have how many total Oscars they won Two, it was only two.

00:23:40.478 --> 00:23:40.801
It was only two.

00:23:40.801 --> 00:23:41.368
It was only two.

00:23:41.368 --> 00:23:43.416
What was the other one then?

00:23:43.939 --> 00:23:51.172
I don't recall, but it wasn't like actor, actress, supporting or anything like that, yeah no, I want to say it was like production or something like that that's fine.

00:23:51.192 --> 00:23:51.772
I was just curious.

00:23:51.772 --> 00:23:56.951
I guess I never really fully looked at what they all, what they all won.

00:23:56.971 --> 00:24:06.255
So okay, you finished your beer the same time I finished my beer, which never effing happens because you're you're sucking that thing down okay, so now I'm gonna try the cucumber lime let me know what you think of that.

00:24:06.355 --> 00:24:07.699
Which one are you trying?

00:24:07.699 --> 00:24:16.356
This is the sandia, yeah, so let me know what you think of yours, because I think you're gonna like that one too I gotta smell it.

00:24:17.019 --> 00:24:18.392
Oh hell, yes, told you.

00:24:18.392 --> 00:24:20.145
That's why I wanted to give you those two, because I knew you were gonna like both of I.

00:24:20.165 --> 00:24:20.448
Gotta smell it.

00:24:20.448 --> 00:24:20.690
Oh, hell yes.

00:24:21.550 --> 00:24:21.770
Told you.

00:24:22.593 --> 00:24:25.519
That's why I wanted to give you those two, because I knew you were going to like both of those.

00:24:25.579 --> 00:24:28.952
Chefs Piss.

00:24:28.952 --> 00:24:30.335
Oh my God, that is so good.

00:24:30.335 --> 00:24:33.080
I love the cucumber, I can taste the cucumber.

00:24:33.141 --> 00:24:34.503
But it's not like I can taste the lime.

00:24:34.503 --> 00:24:36.234
It's not aggressive.

00:24:36.315 --> 00:24:37.136
It's not overwhelming.

00:24:37.136 --> 00:24:37.920
Yeah, oh my God.

00:24:43.329 --> 00:24:45.393
So we're talking about the wizard of oz um, it's a movie.

00:24:45.532 --> 00:24:46.134
It's a movie, okay.

00:24:46.134 --> 00:24:51.623
So there was also the deleted jitterbug number.

00:24:51.623 --> 00:24:53.932
Have you heard of the jitterbug?

00:24:54.173 --> 00:25:01.218
I mean, I know of the jitterbug, but not from this movie, nope so it was like a large-scale swing dance really sequence.

00:25:01.218 --> 00:25:02.874
Yeah, that would not have worked.

00:25:02.874 --> 00:25:04.740
They called it the jitterbug.

00:25:05.342 --> 00:25:22.891
It was featuring dorothy and her friends and they were like dancing frenetically in the haunted forest which the wicked witch sends a magical insect to make them dance uncontrollably wow, it's like that one dance dancing plague yeah yeah, where was that holland?

00:25:23.593 --> 00:25:26.618
I don't recall I brought it up once, I don't remember.

00:25:26.638 --> 00:25:32.986
Yeah, but they cut um the number because it was the timing and the tone, it just didn't work, did not?

00:25:32.986 --> 00:25:52.590
That would not have worked in that movie so no, like real footage of the sequence has really survived I was gonna ask if there was any there's like a gif oh that is kind of going around, but that's not really, and and the quality of the image is very, very poor.

00:25:52.751 --> 00:26:05.093
I'm sure it's awful but in the movie there still remains a dialogue of the witch that says, quote I sent a little insect on a head to take the fight out of them.

00:26:05.093 --> 00:26:07.057
Sorry, let me reach for, let me do that again.

00:26:07.057 --> 00:26:12.317
I sent a little insect on a head to take the fight out of them.

00:26:12.659 --> 00:26:16.050
And see, I can't recall that I don't recall that line at all, me either.

00:26:16.050 --> 00:26:17.414
Do you know when I don't?

00:26:17.434 --> 00:26:21.022
okay, no, because, because, but I'm going to watch it now.

00:26:23.153 --> 00:26:25.861
I think we should watch that, since we're doing an episode on it.

00:26:25.861 --> 00:26:27.534
I don't recall that line at all.

00:26:27.555 --> 00:26:27.996
I don't either.

00:26:27.996 --> 00:26:28.657
That's interesting.

00:26:28.939 --> 00:26:31.557
Okay, we'll have to watch it and look out for it, okay.

00:26:32.750 --> 00:26:47.471
So Wizard of Oz sometimes felt a little perilous, yeah, a little perilous.

00:26:47.471 --> 00:26:51.441
Yeah, the the reproduction gained a reputation of kind of a curse, like reputation of the injuries and the ordeals that happened on the set.

00:26:51.441 --> 00:26:59.262
Sure, okay, some of them were a little shocking, a little horrifying, a little traumatic yep so tin man's toxic makeup.

00:26:59.303 --> 00:27:03.612
You had mentioned that so do you have what the actual makeup was, that was he was allergic to?

00:27:03.612 --> 00:27:06.417
Okay, or was he allergic?

00:27:06.417 --> 00:27:09.290
Or was it just because they use it again on the next guy?

00:27:09.912 --> 00:27:10.031
it.

00:27:10.031 --> 00:27:13.259
So, yes, I will, I will address both, okay, okay.

00:27:13.259 --> 00:27:18.013
So buddy epson, the original tin man, yeah, and I will insert a picture.

00:27:18.013 --> 00:27:20.018
Yes, he so.

00:27:20.018 --> 00:27:35.692
He had a silvery face that was achieved with aluminum dust yes so no one realized that having an actor inhale aluminum dust all day, yeah, was potentially harmful.

00:27:35.692 --> 00:27:44.565
Yeah, nine days of filming is all it took and he was like he was in excruciating pain.

00:27:44.664 --> 00:27:46.251
Yeah, he was struggling to breathe.

00:27:46.251 --> 00:27:47.655
He was rushed to the hospital.

00:27:47.655 --> 00:27:51.351
He had essentially been poisoned by aluminum dust.

00:27:51.351 --> 00:27:53.634
It coated his lungs.

00:27:53.634 --> 00:28:00.020
Yeah, so he spent weeks recovering in an oxygen tent.

00:28:00.020 --> 00:28:08.076
Wow, while the studio was impatient, said we're gonna replace, we're gonna replace you so how much?

00:28:08.156 --> 00:28:12.616
do you know how much of his scenes were filmed before they replaced him?

00:28:12.616 --> 00:28:15.208
Because I mean nine days, that's especially back.

00:28:15.208 --> 00:28:17.916
Then they probably filmed a decent amount I think so.

00:28:17.978 --> 00:28:28.472
Some of I saw a picture of him in a kansas scene, but but usually the kansas scenes were done at the very end, as per the director's stuff that I wrote, so I'm not really sure.

00:28:28.492 --> 00:28:29.914
Um how long?

00:28:29.914 --> 00:28:33.642
But because I mean nine days back.

00:28:33.642 --> 00:28:45.682
Then they were like that could have been like a movie I mean honestly, because they were pretty like oh, let's you gotta pump this shit out so we can make our money, yeah, so I wonder, I wonder how much was actually filmed with him.

00:28:46.211 --> 00:28:52.044
Interesting so jack haley yeah is the new tin man with safer makeup.

00:28:52.044 --> 00:29:00.400
Of course they mix the aluminum powder into a paste, because that makes it safer without.

00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:02.644
So it's not loose powder that he's inhaling.

00:29:02.644 --> 00:29:08.461
I mean, it's still there though, so Haley developed a severe eye infection from it.

00:29:08.710 --> 00:29:10.636
Oh well, that's not surprising.

00:29:10.998 --> 00:29:17.442
Yeah, to add insult to injury, mgm didn't tell Haley the real reason Epson fell ill.

00:29:18.855 --> 00:29:19.869
That is sheisty.

00:29:20.353 --> 00:29:23.087
So he was unaware of this like potential hazard.

00:29:23.087 --> 00:29:30.929
Right in the end, buddy ebsen's vocals can actually still be um heard in some of the ensemble songs.

00:29:31.108 --> 00:29:33.673
Oh really so they didn't cut them out of there.

00:29:33.673 --> 00:29:35.034
Yep, they just had.

00:29:35.034 --> 00:29:50.980
Uh, hayley just went lip sync then, or wow, that's wild now burt lauer yes or lar yeah l-a-h-r lar hr do you recall which one he might be?

00:29:50.980 --> 00:29:52.501
He's um.

00:29:52.501 --> 00:29:57.811
Oh my god, what is he?

00:29:57.852 --> 00:30:00.397
the lion he's the lion, yeah, I was getting.

00:30:00.397 --> 00:30:06.340
It's been a bit minutes since I've watched this too I'm I'm throwing names at you left and right, here too and I know them.

00:30:06.990 --> 00:30:10.961
I'm not gonna say really well, I'm fairly well, but yeah, okay, I was mixing them up there.

00:30:10.980 --> 00:30:15.276
So yeah, he's the lion yes, a bro, ray ray bulger.

00:30:15.276 --> 00:30:20.023
Yes, scarecrow, yesaley Tin man Bulger's the one I know the best.

00:30:20.464 --> 00:30:22.336
Right For whatever reason, but yeah.

00:30:22.971 --> 00:30:24.036
And then Bert Lahr.

00:30:24.036 --> 00:30:25.835
Yeah, is the Cowardly Lion.

00:30:25.835 --> 00:30:29.861
Yes, his costume a real fucking lion, isn't that wild.

00:30:31.011 --> 00:30:32.478
I actually have heard that before.

00:30:32.631 --> 00:30:34.490
It weighed 90 pounds.

00:30:34.490 --> 00:30:39.880
Oh my God, how could you With a complete lion mane?

00:30:48.573 --> 00:30:50.075
how could you, with a complete lion mane?

00:30:50.134 --> 00:30:59.185
so did they just like hey, uh, they didn't kill the lion from the mgm, like, and then they replace it with bertlar, yeah, they should have.

00:30:59.926 --> 00:31:06.261
That would be great oh my god side note on that animal abuse is not funny it's not, it sucks uh.

00:31:06.261 --> 00:31:09.291
Have you ever seen the actual filming of that?

00:31:09.291 --> 00:31:21.696
Yes, the lion, roar and everything I think so yeah yeah, it's actually pretty funny because he's got, they got him like standing on like a, like a bench or something, yeah, whatever and then doing this thing and capturing it.

00:31:21.696 --> 00:31:25.479
It was pretty, pretty wild because it's a fucking lion you could eat me.

00:31:25.500 --> 00:31:32.622
Okay, so there's no lightweight faux fur alternative for 38.

00:31:32.761 --> 00:31:32.942
Nope.

00:31:33.282 --> 00:31:33.503
Nope.

00:31:33.503 --> 00:31:39.923
So under these blazing technicolor lights, they were notoriously hot.

00:31:39.923 --> 00:31:46.534
Blazing technicolor lights yeah, they were notoriously hot.

00:31:46.534 --> 00:31:47.778
Lar would sweat heavily right inside this suit.

00:31:47.778 --> 00:31:56.480
The heat on set was so extreme that even actors in normal costumes were fainting jesus and getting carried off of set could you imagine what that would do for me?

00:31:57.181 --> 00:32:00.613
you would I think you would bow out, I would literally die, or if I didn't quit, yeah, so yeah, that would do for me.

00:32:00.613 --> 00:32:01.401
You would, I think you would bow out, I would literally die.

00:32:01.401 --> 00:32:03.085
Or if I didn't quit, yeah, so yeah, that would.

00:32:03.085 --> 00:32:10.633
Uh, no, that would, that would not be fun for me, yeah lar was drenched each day.

00:32:10.692 --> 00:32:12.398
At the end of the day he was drenched.

00:32:12.398 --> 00:32:40.962
The crew had to dry out the lion's costume in an industrial size drying bin every single night to prevent mildew and a smell yeah, oh, lord that poor lion I know, but like it must have worked because he doesn't look sweaty, but it's all nice and fluffy and yeah, it gets washed every night well, well, yeah, I suppose, so the costume, Sweat and All.

00:32:41.144 --> 00:32:41.463
Yeah.

00:32:41.930 --> 00:32:45.000
Auctioned in 2014 for $3 million.

00:32:45.530 --> 00:32:51.422
Holy shit, really $3 million for a sweaty, used lion skin suit.

00:32:52.010 --> 00:32:52.875
By Burt Lahr.

00:32:54.372 --> 00:32:55.477
What's his other famous movie?

00:32:55.477 --> 00:33:07.951
And so, anyways, I don't know I don't either.

00:33:07.971 --> 00:33:10.615
I I know he's been in other things, but I couldn't tell you.

00:33:10.615 --> 00:33:12.760
You know who he could easily like just walk on the set and do a great job.

00:33:12.760 --> 00:33:14.483
What the carol burnett show.

00:33:15.152 --> 00:33:25.601
I could easily see him just picking up and just being one of the comedic actors on her show I could definitely see that, for sure, yeah, I think it's because his facial features are very in his mannerisms.

00:33:25.621 --> 00:33:40.601
Yeah yeah, just big and bold and they're great, for sure okay, margaret hamilton, yes, the witch she probably had the most traumatic injury on set the burning during the Munchkinland scene.

00:33:40.601 --> 00:33:47.837
At the beginning the witch exits, Tries to In a fiery flash of smoke.

00:33:49.329 --> 00:33:50.811
It's a hell of a special effect.

00:33:50.811 --> 00:33:56.410
Oh great, yeah, If I'm not mistaken, they actually used the shot that burned her in the movie.

00:33:56.550 --> 00:33:57.359
I've heard that.

00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:58.553
I did not confirm that, but I have heard that.

00:33:58.553 --> 00:33:59.931
I don't know if it's correct either, but yeah, but Hamilton was supposed burned her in the movie.

00:33:59.887 --> 00:34:00.060
I've heard that.

00:34:00.060 --> 00:34:00.711
I did not confirm that, but I have heard.

00:34:00.711 --> 00:34:00.877
I have heard that.

00:34:00.834 --> 00:34:06.451
I don't know if it's correct either, but yeah but hamilton was supposed to drop through a hidden trap door.

00:34:06.573 --> 00:34:25.454
Yes, before the pyrotechnics went off but that didn't work out that way the special effects crew were a second too soon on the the fireball and she caught fire yeah I'm gonna insert a picture of the scene, not her isn't it?

00:34:25.454 --> 00:34:28.871
And it's really too bad too, because they couldn't throw water on her because she'd melt.

00:34:30.393 --> 00:34:32.757
Sorry drink more.

00:34:32.757 --> 00:34:35.039
Okay, would you please cheers to me.

00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:41.059
Her hat and her broom caught fire and she suffered third degree burns on her face and hand.

00:34:41.431 --> 00:34:45.291
So how far into filming was this Do you?

00:34:45.291 --> 00:34:46.456
Did you come across that?

00:34:46.570 --> 00:34:48.257
I did not come across timing.

00:34:48.789 --> 00:34:50.056
Because could you have met?

00:34:50.056 --> 00:34:53.398
So let's pretend, and it could be the truth too.

00:34:53.398 --> 00:34:53.940
I have no idea.

00:34:53.940 --> 00:34:55.853
Hey, you just got burned.

00:34:55.853 --> 00:34:56.898
Sorry about that.

00:34:56.898 --> 00:34:58.956
We're going to paint your burns green now.

00:34:59.478 --> 00:35:00.532
Yeah, fuck.

00:35:00.532 --> 00:35:07.260
Yeah, yeah, they actually did wait for her to recuperate okay so her chin, her nose and her forehead were scalded.

00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:11.255
Right her right eyebrow and eyelashes were singed off.

00:35:11.255 --> 00:35:15.541
Her upper lip and eyelid were severely burned wow.

00:35:15.541 --> 00:35:20.094
And when she looked down at her hand, the skin was gone.

00:35:20.094 --> 00:35:24.259
It burned her skin right through her hand, wow.

00:35:24.259 --> 00:35:29.644
So to make it worse, the team's first priority.

00:35:29.885 --> 00:35:45.619
Yeah, to quickly remove her copper based green makeup before it seeped into her open wounds, which would have like poisoned her bloodstream.

00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:46.483
Yeah, she would have fucking died.

00:35:46.483 --> 00:35:53.653
Yeah, wow, while she's in this makeup, in this green makeup, she literally cannot eat on set for fear of that green king accidentally ingesting.

00:35:53.974 --> 00:35:58.097
Wow, yeah good thing, uh, things have gotten better.

00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:13.858
Holy shit, yeah, that would suck, so the studio did not send her home no, they're like hey, we need you a friend had to drive her to safety come on.

00:36:13.858 --> 00:36:20.938
But the mgm execs phoned her every day well, that's nice of them asking when you asking when will you be?

00:36:20.938 --> 00:36:21.159
Back.

00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:22.293
When can you come back?

00:36:22.715 --> 00:36:45.384
I've actually heard that it took her six weeks to recuperate so were they able to get other things done in the six weeks of her absence, because obviously she's not in any scene I would assume, but I can't confirm that I would assume it's gotta be because b-roll, whatever.

00:36:45.384 --> 00:36:51.623
Yeah, well, I mean she's not in every scene, so there's plenty of stuff to film without her.

00:36:52.469 --> 00:36:55.760
So when she comes back, she's a single mother.

00:36:57.190 --> 00:37:36.012
She chooses not to sue the studio for fear that she would be blacklisted that's fucking terrible so when she did return, her hands were still too raw for makeup, so she wore gloved green gloves in some of the scenes oh and I'm not sure if they were picked up on camera, but I am for sure gonna look all right, so we have to look for that one line and green gloves okay, the bug line and the green gloves yeah, okay, yeah, I'm on board for this so then yeah, a stunt woman yes you would think that the studio would learn their lesson, but they planned another fiery broomstick scene.

00:37:36.773 --> 00:37:45.552
Hamilton was like I'm out they had to get the shot, kate they, they brought in a stunt double right.

00:37:45.672 --> 00:38:04.556
Her name is betty danko betty danko, I also have a picture of her all right and danko mounted an explosive rigged broom for a scene in which the which would was flying skyward into the, into the smoke oh gotcha so during the take the pipe attached, the broomstick exploded.

00:38:04.637 --> 00:38:15.858
Oh fuck, again because of timing I feel like they need a new special effects department jesus fuck danko was thrown off, suffering severe injuries.

00:38:16.478 --> 00:38:21.704
She said later quote I felt as though my scalp was coming off.

00:38:21.704 --> 00:38:29.184
End quote, and she was knocked unconscious so what were all of her injuries?

00:38:29.226 --> 00:38:30.467
did you see that I did?

00:38:30.527 --> 00:38:39.461
not go into detail with this um, but no need to get graphic no, not for this, not for this podcast.

00:38:39.461 --> 00:38:40.744
No, we don't do graphic here.

00:38:40.844 --> 00:38:41.565
We just do sad.

00:38:43.811 --> 00:38:49.081
She spent 11 days in the hospital and she has permanent scars and damaged leg muscles.

00:38:49.623 --> 00:38:49.923
Wow.

00:38:50.670 --> 00:38:52.054
So her compensation.

00:38:52.054 --> 00:38:55.802
She earned $35 for this stunt.

00:38:57.331 --> 00:38:58.335
So what's that today?

00:38:59.358 --> 00:39:09.434
I didn't look, that wasn't part of my research.

00:39:09.434 --> 00:39:11.597
Moving on, yes, please.

00:39:11.737 --> 00:39:32.074
The scene the poppy field oh, with the asbestos fucking genius, move there, they decided that snowflakes made of chris, chris, chrisotile, chrisotile, chrisotile.

00:39:32.275 --> 00:39:58.318
Asbestos okay, a material known to cause mesothelioma lung cancer and asbestosis asbestosis inflammation okay, at the time, asbestos was actually widely used in films because films and buildings and construction everywhere it looked like fluffy, clean snow right, it was non-flammable.

00:39:58.318 --> 00:40:10.393
Plus, it was a major plus on these like new technicolor sets as well, right and it stayed visible on camera longer than real snow or cotton or like other methods do you know how they did the snow?

00:40:10.434 --> 00:40:15.831
and it's a wonderful life soap I think you've told me that I have.

00:40:15.831 --> 00:40:39.885
So there were no masks, no warnings, just open mouths and wide eyes and people singing, and they inhaled this carcinogenic snowflake, like it was christmas morning asbestos was also used in christmas tree flocking and fake fireplace ashes during the 1930s through 1950s that's wild.

00:40:39.885 --> 00:40:48.684
I mean, they didn't know no, so some fake snow was used in the movie holiday in the movie white christmas um.

00:40:48.684 --> 00:40:57.862
Asbestos wasn't officially banned in the us in consumer products until the 1980s wow, not until then.

00:40:58.163 --> 00:41:00.295
I mean, I know it's been banned for a while, like I remember.

00:41:00.295 --> 00:41:08.777
So where I grew up there was we had the elementary school and the high school or like kind of near each other, and then down the road was the big old biddle school.

00:41:08.777 --> 00:41:09.840
It was a big old building.

00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:10.262
It was great.

00:41:10.262 --> 00:41:13.958
Um, I actually did summer school classes in there.

00:41:13.958 --> 00:41:15.902
They shut it all down except for the gym.

00:41:15.902 --> 00:41:21.780
We used to have like tournaments, basketball tournaments, whatever in there because of all the asbestos in it.

00:41:21.780 --> 00:41:25.507
And then they uh tore it down.

00:41:25.507 --> 00:41:32.668
And now there's now it's a library with an observatory cool, that's kind of neat never been it, okay, yeah the munchkins?

00:41:33.148 --> 00:41:38.148
yeah, there were over a hundred of them didn't the last one just die like a few years?

00:41:38.208 --> 00:41:38.389
back?

00:41:38.389 --> 00:41:39.193
Yes, I believe so, not that long.

00:41:39.193 --> 00:41:39.996
Yeah, I would say within the last 10.

00:41:39.996 --> 00:41:40.739
Just die like a few years back.

00:41:40.739 --> 00:41:41.443
Yes, I believe so, not that long ago.

00:41:41.463 --> 00:41:42.306
Yeah, I would say within the last 10 years.

00:41:42.306 --> 00:41:43.449
Oh yeah, Something like that, but yeah.

00:41:43.449 --> 00:41:46.077
I think it was the last one, if I'm not mistaken.

00:41:46.077 --> 00:41:46.820
I think so, yeah.

00:41:47.811 --> 00:41:52.963
So these munchkins, these people that they called munchkins on the film?

00:41:54.592 --> 00:41:56.193
Well, I mean it's not derogatory.

00:41:56.213 --> 00:41:59.418
They were brought over from Europe's dwarf vaudeville circuit.

00:41:59.697 --> 00:41:59.958
Right.

00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:03.222
And they were boisterous.

00:42:03.222 --> 00:42:05.184
Yes, to put it simply.

00:42:05.585 --> 00:42:05.826
Yes.

00:42:08.150 --> 00:42:09.534
They were rambunctious.

00:42:09.534 --> 00:42:14.824
They were drunken parties, rambunctious behaviors.

00:42:14.989 --> 00:42:16.936
Yeah, because I mean they weren't kids, they were adults.

00:42:16.936 --> 00:42:18.041
They were adults, so I mean Decades later.

00:42:18.061 --> 00:42:19.445
Yes, Judy Garland's ex-husband Sid weren't kids, they were adults.

00:42:19.445 --> 00:42:20.369
They were adults, so I mean decades later.

00:42:20.389 --> 00:42:20.590
Yes.

00:42:20.929 --> 00:42:23.739
Judy Garland's ex-husband Sid Luft.

00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:24.280
Yes.

00:42:24.829 --> 00:42:30.643
Claimed that the Munchkins were constantly drunk and, quote put their hands under Judy's dress, end quote.

00:42:30.643 --> 00:42:35.329
But there's nothing to say that that was actually true.

00:42:35.369 --> 00:42:37.958
So, but he wasn't around when she was 16.

00:42:38.059 --> 00:42:40.213
So I mean, it would have had to come from her.

00:42:40.233 --> 00:42:41.617
But he wasn't around when she was 16.

00:42:41.677 --> 00:42:46.469
So I mean it would have had to come from her, if it came from anyone, but there's no evidence, right?

00:42:46.469 --> 00:42:47.896
So excuse me.

00:42:47.896 --> 00:42:59.036
Garland herself joked in a 1967 interview that the munchkins quote had a very good time and that their drinking was the only trouble on the oz set.

00:42:59.036 --> 00:43:03.307
So she called it annoying but hardly traumatic.

00:43:03.307 --> 00:43:05.931
Yeah, yeah so she was.

00:43:06.273 --> 00:43:16.121
She was mostly badgered from the studio producers rather than the the munchkins, right, yeah, yeah, so they did the munchkins.

00:43:16.121 --> 00:43:21.996
I keep saying the munchkins, but the people who play the munchkins did notoriously earn very low wages.

00:43:21.996 --> 00:43:23.969
Didn't some of them not earn anything at all?

00:43:23.969 --> 00:43:32.494
Kind of thing well, my source says 50 a week okay but um even toto, the dog earned more I was was just going to tell you.

00:43:32.514 --> 00:43:34.197
did you know that Toto earned more than that?

00:43:34.197 --> 00:43:36.090
Yes, Toto was in a couple movies.

00:43:36.391 --> 00:43:42.391
Yes, so Toto, yeah, he wasn't even safe on set.

00:43:42.813 --> 00:43:44.449
No, people were trying to eat him.

00:43:44.744 --> 00:43:46.371
Toto is actually a girl.

00:43:46.952 --> 00:43:47.153
Yes.

00:43:47.465 --> 00:43:48.565
And her name is Terry.

00:43:48.766 --> 00:43:50.106
Yes, I did know that.

00:43:50.487 --> 00:43:55.050
She was stepped on by one of the witch's palace guards during the filming.

00:43:55.050 --> 00:44:02.657
The dog suffered a sprained some sources say broken foot and had to rest for about two weeks.

00:44:02.657 --> 00:44:08.862
Jesus and a dog stand-in filled in some of the scenes until Terry returned to work.

00:44:08.862 --> 00:44:10.307
That's wild.

00:44:20.804 --> 00:44:22.128
Total salary was $125 per week.

00:44:22.148 --> 00:44:22.728
Isn't that wild for a dog?

00:44:22.728 --> 00:44:23.851
And then these humans got paid 50.

00:44:23.851 --> 00:44:30.586
But apparently terry's agents did her right because she was in about 22 films yeah, that's right.

00:44:30.686 --> 00:44:32.735
That's how many I knew she was in a bunch of them.

00:44:33.940 --> 00:44:40.771
She was only credited for those out of those 22 in three movies, Wizard of Oz being one of them.

00:44:40.771 --> 00:44:43.273
Otherwise, everything else is uncredited.

00:44:43.525 --> 00:44:44.086
Right, which?

00:44:44.086 --> 00:44:45.909
Why would they give a credit to a dog?

00:44:45.909 --> 00:44:47.469
Yeah, Back then.

00:44:47.469 --> 00:44:49.568
You know, today they would definitely do that.

00:44:50.637 --> 00:44:55.103
So Judy Garland basically would have been abused.

00:44:55.103 --> 00:44:57.188
What we would call abused no, it's not.

00:44:57.188 --> 00:45:27.534
Basically she was flat out abused yes here, judy, here's your coffee and your cigarettes yeah, so she had that one meal a day um chicken soup, black coffee, cigarettes, plus amphetamines to or pep pills to boost her energy and then barbiturates to force sleep yep garland, who was 16, worked grueling hours and was often so jittery from the drugs that the crew literally had to hold her still that's wild, yeah, it's just.

00:45:27.833 --> 00:45:31.289
It's yeah, not basically there was literal child abuse.

00:45:31.289 --> 00:45:36.739
Yes, from these people that are like oh, we're good, are you, though, I mean.

00:45:38.588 --> 00:45:42.623
There's one scene where Dorothy slaps the cowardly lion.

00:45:42.804 --> 00:45:42.985
Yeah.

00:45:44.588 --> 00:45:51.291
But Garland kept like cracking up because she's a teenager and it was funny to her for some reason, and she just kept cracking up.

00:45:51.291 --> 00:45:56.346
So Victor Fleming, the third director, slaps judy garland.

00:45:56.967 --> 00:46:00.211
oh, does she stop laughing?

00:46:00.211 --> 00:46:12.237
He said quote now darling, this is serious, go in there and work end quote okay, I mean he's not wrong in the work part, but he's 100 wrong in the work part, but he's 100% wrong in the slapping part.

00:46:12.777 --> 00:46:15.681
Garland was slapped into composure.

00:46:15.681 --> 00:46:18.731
Oh man and the next take was perfect.

00:46:18.731 --> 00:46:22.851
Wow, imagine that Fleming instantly felt remorse.

00:46:22.851 --> 00:46:33.994
But Judy forgave him on the spot, kissed his nose and reassured him, and later she praised Fleming as a wonderful man with kind eyes.

00:46:33.994 --> 00:46:35.338
There you go.

00:46:36.746 --> 00:46:38.885
Okay, I mean, that makes up for it all.

00:46:39.407 --> 00:46:49.286
But of course, after all this she had a lifetime struggle with diet pills, mental health drugs alcohol, the whole gambit.

00:46:49.387 --> 00:46:53.039
unfortunately, when you're fed this shit consistently for however long they were filmed.

00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:54.199
When you're 16 years old, you're, when you're fed the shit consistently for however long they were filmed.

00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.882
Yeah, when you're 16 years old you're impressionable youth.

00:46:57.882 --> 00:47:01.467
Things are gonna stick, unfortunately, in a bad way.

00:47:01.467 --> 00:47:10.108
So I mean it's just really sad that that movie ruined the rest of her life and she had a good career for a while.

00:47:10.108 --> 00:47:10.809
She she was alive.

00:47:10.809 --> 00:47:11.750
She did other things.

00:47:11.750 --> 00:47:13.954
What's the actor?

00:47:13.954 --> 00:47:16.496
She was always in movies with the Mickey.

00:47:16.516 --> 00:47:18.260
Rooney, mickey Rooney, yeah, mickey.

00:47:18.300 --> 00:47:18.480
Rooney.

00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:25.574
So she, you know she did a bunch of movies, but like yeah, I want to say she was like 46.

00:47:26.735 --> 00:47:28.117
She was young when she died.

00:47:28.117 --> 00:47:29.139
I'll look it up after this.

00:47:29.139 --> 00:47:30.224
Yeah, that's fine, okay.

00:47:30.224 --> 00:47:31.407
Okay, after this.

00:47:31.407 --> 00:47:31.909
Yeah, that's fine, okay.

00:47:31.929 --> 00:47:43.038
so no discussion of oz lore is complete without yes the munchkin suicide so is that the one who supposedly hung themselves in the forest?

00:47:43.077 --> 00:48:00.862
yes, okay for decades yes rumors persisted that a small figure seen in the distant background of the scene where dorothy and scarecrow are skipping down the road is a munchkin actor's body hanging from a scene, right From a tree.

00:48:01.284 --> 00:48:01.385
Right.

00:48:01.485 --> 00:48:03.331
And I'm going to insert a picture here as well.

00:48:03.572 --> 00:48:07.614
I hope so Actually it's a far away picture, but I'd like to correct you.

00:48:07.614 --> 00:48:09.130
I will be putting the picture in.

00:48:09.130 --> 00:48:10.791
You are going to be supplying them to me.

00:48:11.965 --> 00:48:13.751
So this is entirely false.

00:48:13.751 --> 00:48:14.813
Yes, it is.

00:48:14.813 --> 00:48:16.927
There is no hanging person.

00:48:16.927 --> 00:48:22.516
It's actually a large exotic bird yeah that is spreading its wings.

00:48:22.516 --> 00:48:30.969
So they added these birds to try to like, give a more vibrant feel to the forest, and you can see these birds like throughout the forest scenes.

00:48:30.969 --> 00:48:36.608
This one was just so far away that it looks like something is hanging from a tree.

00:48:36.608 --> 00:48:43.590
Yeah, I don't know if I've ever actually noticed it every time I have looked for it and I was like, yep, there it is.

00:48:43.690 --> 00:48:46.650
But yep, that's a bird all right when we watch it, to look for those two other things.

00:48:46.650 --> 00:48:47.695
You have to point it out like.

00:48:47.715 --> 00:48:48.759
These are big birds.

00:48:48.759 --> 00:48:51.710
They're right, yeah, right, right, yeah, but far away.

00:48:51.710 --> 00:49:01.235
Yeah, I think they're probably about as tall as these munchkins someone probably thought, hey, did you know what I heard?

00:49:01.958 --> 00:49:22.184
and again it is word of mouth, snowballed, snowballed from there and it's like, yeah, I heard from so-and-so and then just whatever, it was just a myth that grew and stuck over time, basically this conspiracy didn't like really gain traction until the 50th anniversary around 1989, oh wow.

00:49:23.288 --> 00:49:26.135
But it was debunked by these film historians, of course.

00:49:26.135 --> 00:49:36.858
Yeah, but between the face melting makeup, the dog stomping and then enough asbestos to like insulate a Home Depot.

00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:37.378
Yeah.

00:49:37.744 --> 00:49:39.010
There really is no place like home.

00:49:39.846 --> 00:49:41.072
Hey, I see what you did there.

00:49:41.072 --> 00:49:43.331
So who wrote the Wizard of Oz?

00:49:43.331 --> 00:49:45.849
Frank L Baum.

00:49:45.849 --> 00:49:46.932
I knew you were going to get it wrong.

00:49:48.447 --> 00:49:49.128
L Frank Baum.

00:49:49.150 --> 00:49:49.711
God damn it.

00:49:49.711 --> 00:49:51.949
Most people do that.

00:49:53.092 --> 00:49:53.894
Because of the L.

00:49:54.074 --> 00:49:56.045
Yeah, because it makes sense to have that in the middle Cause.

00:49:56.045 --> 00:49:59.954
Who starts their name with an initial rather than their full name?

00:49:59.954 --> 00:50:02.369
Um, and didn't you and I?

00:50:02.369 --> 00:50:04.492
We actually looked up a while back.

00:50:04.492 --> 00:50:06.672
You probably not remember this, cause, you're you?

00:50:06.672 --> 00:50:11.235
But um, the red brick road was added to the movie.

00:50:11.235 --> 00:50:12.309
It's not actually in the book.

00:50:12.309 --> 00:50:14.190
Am I remembering that right?

00:50:14.190 --> 00:50:15.992
Yes, I believe so.

00:50:16.132 --> 00:50:21.376
I think, yeah, I don't think it was in the book, and then it leads to nowhere yeah, because everyone's always like where does it go it?

00:50:21.436 --> 00:50:22.442
literally leads to nowhere.

00:50:22.442 --> 00:50:23.786
Why couldn't they just take that home?

00:50:23.846 --> 00:50:29.112
okay, so judy garland was born in 22, 1922 and she died in 1969.

00:50:29.112 --> 00:50:31.253
So what is that math 47?

00:50:31.253 --> 00:50:37.420
Yeah, okay so close was she 47, her birthday's coming up so when did she die?

00:50:37.485 --> 00:50:48.027
and she was born june 10th 1922 yes died june 22nd so she just turned 47, you were really close yeah, I was damn that's.

00:50:48.068 --> 00:50:51.793
That's crazy job, all right yeah I knew it was.

00:50:52.094 --> 00:50:55.485
I knew it was right around there, so yeah, not too shabby good job.

00:50:55.585 --> 00:51:10.853
Thank you um so, yeah, that is my favorite movie and I am gonna force you to watch it you're not gonna force me, because I love that movie too and then wicked um that might, we might have issues on, but um I it's not such a good job with it.

00:51:11.414 --> 00:51:14.199
But they ruined the book just like the musical did.

00:51:14.686 --> 00:51:18.045
I know you're really into the Wicked Book and it's a very good book.

00:51:18.085 --> 00:51:19.030
It's such a good book.

00:51:19.804 --> 00:51:25.436
But they wanted to tie it a little bit more into the Wizard of Oz movie.

00:51:25.436 --> 00:51:26.838
But it's not.

00:51:28.065 --> 00:51:28.788
And the Wizard of.

00:51:28.889 --> 00:51:31.014
Oz book is not the Wizard of Oz movie.

00:51:31.235 --> 00:51:31.797
Oh, not at all.

00:51:31.797 --> 00:51:33.271
I am so mad.

00:51:33.271 --> 00:51:40.932
I took you there once, which, unfortunately, that bookstore is gone now, the one you remember, when I took you to that bookstore up at Genesee.

00:51:40.965 --> 00:51:42.097
The really overwhelming one.

00:51:42.117 --> 00:51:45.512
Yeah, because there's just shit just everywhere and you don't know where you're really looking.

00:51:45.512 --> 00:51:51.186
One time I went in there they had the old Wizard of Oz books and I'm like.

00:51:51.186 --> 00:51:53.809
I should have fucking bought them.

00:51:53.809 --> 00:52:01.534
I mean, they had like I don't know six to 10 of them I don't remember how many, I don't remember the price off, but it would have been a decent chunk of change.

00:52:01.534 --> 00:52:03.215
But fuck, I wish I would have bought those.

00:52:03.315 --> 00:52:05.356
Yeah, I wonder what they did with all the books then.

00:52:05.876 --> 00:52:20.791
Well, they sold stuff on eBay too, closed up shop and, and, um, maybe just kept it to that or something, I have no idea, but they had so much just like it's like why would you try and resell this yeah?

00:52:21.293 --> 00:52:25.436
Okay, real quick, before we like finish up here and talk about our, our beverages.

00:52:25.436 --> 00:52:28.891
What is your favorite scene in lizard of Oz?

00:52:30.014 --> 00:52:49.708
Oh man, um, I always really liked when they first all like the cowardly lion, especially when they first went to go meet the wizard and how he just wanted to bail, kind of thing, and even like someone pulled my tail yeah, that was you.

00:52:52.932 --> 00:53:10.291
But even like the song, like if I were king or whatever, he's great, I love that, like I'm sorry, everybody, but yes, that's, that's what I was talking about.

00:53:10.291 --> 00:53:34.452
So, so that whole number, like, even, like, even again, if you encompass this whole section of the movie, when they first knock on the door, the dude with the giant mustache, and then you see all the multicolored horses, which are all different horses, and you can see that they're different horses because they're literally not the same horse but painted different colors and then the whole King of the Forest song, like, leading up to when they first meet the wizard.

00:53:34.452 --> 00:53:38.317
Um, yeah, like someone pulled my tail or whatever.

00:53:38.317 --> 00:53:43.092
Um, I think if I had to pick one off top of my head, I really enjoy that.

00:53:43.092 --> 00:53:44.516
So what's yours?

00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:48.568
mine would be the horse of a different color yeah do you know what they painted the horses with?

00:53:48.789 --> 00:53:50.494
kool-aid jello.

00:53:50.494 --> 00:53:53.469
Yeah, yes, that's the word I couldn't remember what it was.

00:53:53.630 --> 00:53:57.672
Yes, jell-o, and they're like quick, hurry up and shoot them before they start licking it off.

00:53:57.793 --> 00:53:58.594
Yes, that's right.

00:53:58.594 --> 00:53:59.898
That's right, I did know that.

00:54:00.585 --> 00:54:07.858
And I always thought the Tin Man's heart at the very end, the string that it was on was full of popcorn.

00:54:15.507 --> 00:54:15.989
Yeah, but it's.

00:54:15.989 --> 00:54:17.672
I mean, it's a classic movie again.

00:54:17.672 --> 00:54:18.735
What did I say?

00:54:18.735 --> 00:54:22.085
60 or 80 sorry, 86 years it's been out.

00:54:22.085 --> 00:54:22.927
That's wild.

00:54:22.927 --> 00:54:24.831
When was it actually released?

00:54:24.831 --> 00:54:26.797
During the year, did you see that date?

00:54:26.797 --> 00:54:28.085
I don't remember off the top of my head.

00:54:28.085 --> 00:54:29.867
So, but yeah, it's hard to believe.

00:54:29.867 --> 00:54:30.768
I've been watching it.

00:54:30.987 --> 00:54:33.250
Although it did terribly in theaters.

00:54:33.250 --> 00:54:46.259
It wasn't until color TV came out that they started putting it on TV, and people were amazed, they were amazed, and that's how the popularity came.

00:54:46.259 --> 00:54:49.262
And that's why they kept putting it on TV.

00:54:49.282 --> 00:54:50.282
Right, it's funny.

00:54:50.282 --> 00:54:58.820
Even today, though, that happens with movies like so it's funny to hear that it did then because like office space didn't do that great in the theater.

00:54:58.820 --> 00:55:05.905
It's a fucking cult classic movie it's a great fucking movie too or, you know, insert other one, even shawshank redemption.

00:55:05.905 --> 00:55:13.233
Yep, that was a great movie, which you actually have pictures on your wall anyways, it's an inside joke that's been going on for a while.

00:55:13.233 --> 00:55:23.929
Um, you know, that movie for all intents and purposes did terrible in the theater, but it's a phenomenal fucking movie um but I also did remember.

00:55:24.010 --> 00:55:25.373
I don't remember the movies that came out.

00:55:25.373 --> 00:55:33.329
I think it was like two other huge movies came out the same weekend that shawshank did and kind of fucked their chances.

00:55:33.329 --> 00:55:36.469
I'm trying to blank on what those two are, but doesn't matter anyways.

00:55:36.469 --> 00:55:40.766
Um, yeah, so okay, how did you like your beverages?

00:55:40.907 --> 00:55:42.250
I liked both very much.

00:55:42.250 --> 00:55:47.570
I don't think I can pick a favorite okay, that's, and that's fine the hibiscus or the cucumber lime.

00:55:47.650 --> 00:55:55.967
I love them both and I want more okay, well, maybe we'll, uh, we'll get some more and then you can try these two, because again, they're good.

00:55:56.570 --> 00:56:01.251
I just thought those two are the better of the four and you and I have different tastes, so maybe I'll like them.

00:56:01.251 --> 00:56:03.702
Yeah, you might like them, you do but I was right, though.

00:56:03.862 --> 00:56:11.492
You actually rather enjoyed those, and thank you very much for not throwing the second tab on the floor that was very nice of you.

00:56:11.652 --> 00:56:13.677
I fidgeted that one off too I heard.

00:56:13.697 --> 00:56:17.911
I heard it rattle on the can, so I'll have to go find the other one somewhere on the floor.

00:56:17.992 --> 00:56:19.355
Yeah, damn right, you will.

00:56:20.157 --> 00:56:23.994
But um, anyways, no, I I thought you would like those.

00:56:23.994 --> 00:56:25.038
I was.

00:56:25.038 --> 00:56:30.335
It was fun sampling with my mother-in-law because you know I don't get to see her a ton just because of scheduling and stuff.

00:56:30.335 --> 00:56:32.668
So it was nice that she wanted to have a couple beverages with me.

00:56:32.688 --> 00:56:33.010
That's awesome.

00:56:33.190 --> 00:56:35.875
Yeah, and I tasted them.

00:56:35.875 --> 00:56:40.327
I'm like, ooh, kate's going to like these, so let's do it for the podcast.

00:56:40.327 --> 00:56:41.731
And yeah, I thought you would like those.

00:56:41.731 --> 00:56:42.893
I think you'll like these two.

00:56:42.893 --> 00:56:47.385
I just those are the two better out of the four, anyways, yeah.

00:56:47.385 --> 00:56:49.353
So thank you for the Wizard of Oz.

00:56:49.353 --> 00:56:50.414
Yes, you're welcome.

00:56:50.414 --> 00:56:53.677
That's very great, and I'll have to let Al know that.

00:56:53.677 --> 00:56:55.039
Hey, we finally did it.

00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:56.762
Do you remember when you suggested that?

00:56:56.824 --> 00:56:57.929
I think it was really early on.

00:56:58.746 --> 00:57:04.262
I think it was actually very early on that he suggested that he was like you know what would be kind of cool, all the weird shit that happened around the Wizard of Oz.

00:57:04.262 --> 00:57:11.170
I'm like that sounds awesome and I remember telling you, yeah, and then it just kind of stewed there for a bit, but it's nice to finally get it out.

00:57:11.170 --> 00:57:13.911
Yep, well, I suppose.

00:57:13.911 --> 00:57:14.932
All right, buffoons.

00:57:14.932 --> 00:57:16.355
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