Dec. 22, 2025

In This Our Life: Hattie McDaniel

In This Our Life: Hattie McDaniel
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A nightclub mic no one expected to be open. A maid’s uniform worn to an audition. An ovation that shook the room while the system kept her at the far wall. Hattie McDaniel’s life reads like a ledger of impossible choices—yet it’s also a map of how to push a closed world a few inches wider.

We walk through Hattie’s early years in a musical family, the vaudeville grind, and the Great Depression moment in Milwaukee that landed her a two-year gig and a path to Hollywood. Once the “talkies” took off, the roles were narrow: maids, mammies, comic relief. Hattie didn’t deny it; she outperformed it. Scene by scene, she squeezed dignity and agency into bit parts until Gone with the Wind arrived and she turned Mammy into the film’s moral compass. The 1940 Academy Awards gave her the first Oscar ever awarded to a Black performer—and a bitter snapshot of segregation, from seating charts to after-party doors.

We dig into the backlash and the bigger questions. Did an honor for a stereotype help or harm? Hattie argued she stripped out caricature where she could, fought for better dialogue, and used the jobs available to open space for others. When Hollywood failed to evolve, she did: headlining the Beulah radio show, stepping onto early TV, and leading the Sugar Hill legal fight in Los Angeles that helped crack housing covenants and set the stage for Shelley v. Kraemer. Her later years brought illness and another barrier—denied burial at Hollywood Memorial—followed by a slow, overdue wave of recognition: a Hollywood Forever memorial, a USPS stamp, and tributes from Oscar winners like Whoopi Goldberg and Mo’Nique.

If you care about film history, civil rights, and the craft of turning constraints into impact, this story matters. Press play to explore how Hattie McDaniel made history on screen and changed lives off it—and why her legacy still challenges Hollywood and all of us to measure progress by both the doors opened and the cost of opening them. Subscribe, share with a friend who loves classic cinema, and leave a review to help more listeners find the show.

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00:00 - Drinks, Banter, And Today’s Topic

01:45 - Early Life And Family Roots

07:20 - Finding A Voice In Vaudeville And Blues

12:05 - The Great Depression Break In Milwaukee

15:30 - Moving To Hollywood And Typecasting

20:40 - Landing Mammy In Gone With The Wind

27:30 - Protests, Premiere, And The Oscar Night

34:15 - Aftermath: Roles, Respect, And Resistance

40:50 - Clash With The NAACP And Image Politics

47:00 - Radio Stardom And Early TV Work

51:30 - Sugar Hill Lawsuit And Civil Rights Impact

57:10 - Declining Health, Death, And Missing Oscar

01:02:20 - Recognition, Memorials, And Modern Reflections

01:06:30 - Final Thoughts, Oscars Timeline, And Wrap

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Oh, hey there.

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Oh, hey there.

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How's it going, Kate?

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I'm good.

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How are you, Bradley?

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I am well.

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We are the history of buffoons.

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Yes, we are.

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Yeah.

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And today we're gonna talk about Hattie McDaniel.

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She is the first black actor to win an Oscar.

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Praise for her talent, but restricted by segregation and stereotypes and impossible choices.

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All right.

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So what do you have to drink today?

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Oh boy, I have a plethora of beers from the the the Yeah, you do.

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I do.

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From Surlee Brewing Company, which I think it's out of Minnesota, if I'm not mistaken.

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The lighting isn't the best for my eyes in here right now.

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Anyways, I have a Axeman IPA.

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I have a Mosh Pit hazy IPA.

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I have a Mosh Pit juicy.

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And I have a Furious IPA.

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I uh I I have had this before.

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It's delicious.

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Um so I am gonna start with I think I'm gonna go juicy.

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Well what do you got?

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I have three.

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Well, so you're like, how many do you have?

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I have one more than you.

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I hope I have some time to drink through some of these.

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So I've had all of these before, but they were delicious.

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We've had them on the podcast.

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And I wasn't wanting anything too heavy right now, but yeah.

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This is the Modello Spiked um Aguas Frescas.

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Aguas frescas.

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Yes, and this is hibiscus, and I have watermelon, and my favorite is the cucumber lime.

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Yeah, that one.

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Me not being a cucumber fan, I'm actually I do like that one because it's not very cucumbery at all.

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So I was actually pleasantly surprised at how much I like that one.

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So cheers.

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Cheers.

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Whoa dear.

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Oh, it's delicious.

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Oh, and I just dropped some on the table.

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Oh dear.

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What do we do?

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Oh my god.

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So delicious.

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That is good, yeah.

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I like this one.

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Okay, so have you heard of um Hattie McDowell McDaniel before?

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I don't think I have.

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So what what age range or not age, I'm sorry, time frame is she from?

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So she was born June 10th, 1893.

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Oh, okay.

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So we're talking like early Hollywood.

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Yes.

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Oh, okay.

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I mean, that makes sense with the whole segregation and all that stuff.

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I believe she was the first, she was the first um black actor to win an Oscar.

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Okay.

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And I believe Whoopi Goldberg was the second.

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Really?

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I believe so.

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Quite a gap.

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A gap, yeah.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Um what do you know what year?

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Do you go into what year she won that?

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You don't if you think you do.

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Okay, perfect.

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Yeah, I do.

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I was just curious because I don't know at the top of my head, but I do have that information.

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That's quite right.

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I mean, obviously, it's the one um award show I like to watch is the Oscars.

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Yeah.

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I don't think I actually caught it last year.

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I ended up watching the because it was uh yeah, last year was Conan O'Brien hosted it.

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Okay.

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I I watched it after the fact.

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I all I wanted to see was the Conan O'Brien part because I'm a big fan of him.

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Um but um normally if I watch an award show, it's the Oscars.

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Obviously, I don't know every Oscar winner.

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So um, no, I don't think I've ever heard of her, to be honest.

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I want to say it was Hattie McDaniel, Whoopi Goldberg, and then Halle Berry.

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Oh, okay.

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I think.

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Don't quote me on that.

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I'm I've quoted.

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But huge leaps like of time.

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Oh, yeah.

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Awful.

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Yeah, well, you know.

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Okay, so Hattie McDaniel was born June 10th, 1893, in Wichita, Kansas, and she was going to Wichita.

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She was the youngest of 13 children.

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Oh my god.

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And her parents, Henry and Susan, were both born into slavery.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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So Henry McDaniel had fought for the Union in the Civil War.

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He served with the U.S.

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Colored Troops and he sustained some serious injuries in battle.

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Oh bummer.

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After the war, Henry became a Baptist preacher and moved the family west, part of like the great migration of black Americans, fleeing the deep-seated racism of the South.

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The South, yeah.

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Makes sense.

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So by the time Hattie was born in the 1890s, the McDaniels were living in Kansas and then later settled in Denver, Colorado.

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Oh, nice.

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I love I love Colorado.

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So life obviously wasn't easy for the McDaniels.

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Um Henry's war wounds and the difficulty with black families um faced in finding consistent work.

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Do you have what his war wounds were?

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No, I don't.

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Cool.

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Because that's all I mentioned of him.

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It's just that that's it.

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I mean, that's enough.

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He was dad.

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He was dad.

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But not having consistent work um meant that the family struggled quite a bit financially.

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I'm sure.

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I mean, we all know people who have been out of work through our lives, and it doesn't make shit easy.

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No.

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Because bills keep coming.

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Yeah.

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They don't care that you're out of work.

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No.

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So I mean, it's it's shitty, especially.

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Can only imagine back then for them how hard it was, especially, you know, not you know, shortly post-war civil war and all that shit.

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So yeah, it could not have been easy for them.

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Yeah.

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So crazy.

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So despite the the poverty, the household was was pretty rich in musicality.

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And laughter.

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The family was clo close knit and very musically inclined.

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Hattie's mother, Susan, was a gospel singer and the children all loved to perform.

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Sure.

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In Denver, Hattie attended integrated schools and sang in the church choir.

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Okay.

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Um, she also gained reputation pretty quickly at as being an entertainer.

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Sure.

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Um, Hattie said once, I knew I could sing and dance.

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I was doing it so much that my mother would give me a nickel to stop.

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That's awesome.

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That's funny.

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So at Denver's East High School, she was in school plays and talent shows, but by 1910, at age 17, Patty decided to leave school in her sophomore year to pursue the stage full-time.

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Oh wow.

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Okay.

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In in Colorado.

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Okay.

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Um, so her father and two of her brothers actually started a minstrel show troupe.

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Oh, wow.

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Do you know what that is?

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Kind of, but do tell.

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Yeah.

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So it's a traveling variety act that often featured white performers in blackface.

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Okay.

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And it was a popular form of entertainment laden with racist stereotypes.

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Well, right.

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But also, this was one of the opportunities that black individuals had a chance to be entertainers in.

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Oh, sure.

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I mean, obviously, look at the times we're talking about early 1900s.

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I mean, 10 years tell women can vote right now.

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So, I mean, way different time frame that we're talking about.

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So, you take advantage of the opportunities you can, honestly, at that point.

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And that was Hattie's whole mantra throughout her life.

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I take it where I can.

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Yeah, for sure.

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So Hattie joined her family's touring troupe, and later alongside her sister Etta.

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Etta, okay.

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And one early review of a 1917 Denver show headlined The McDaniel Sisters, and they noted that Hattie brought the house down with her antics.

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Oh, wow.

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She had a gift for comedy, for song, and a big personality fit for any theater.

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Okay.

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So hat Hattie's um young life was touched a little bit with some tragedy.

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Oh dear.

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She married her first husband, Howard Hickman, in 1911.

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But their life together was pretty brief.

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He later he died a little bit later in 1915 of pneumonia.

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Oh shit.

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Wow.

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So she got married when she was 18 and lost her first husband already when she was 22.

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That's fucking clear.

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She was married four times.

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Oh wow.

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The first one died.

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The second one was shot, but he lived.

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And then they later divorced, and the last two divorced.

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Hmm.

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So not long after her first husband died, her brother Otis had also died in 1916 of an illness.

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It was not disclosed of what.

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Okay.

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So these were pretty heavy blows for her.

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Sure.

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Hattie persisted with her craft, um, pouring her heartache into her blues singing.

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Oh, okay, sure.

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So through the 1920s, she established herself as an entertainer, touring the vaudeville circuit with varying acts.

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She developed a sly bluesinger persona and wrote her own songs and made her first recordings during this period.

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Wow.

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Between 1926 and 29, she recorded as many as 16 blues tracks that showcased her deep expressive voice.

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Sure.

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Does she have an accompanying band, as far as you know, to these?

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Or you didn't look into the colours.

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I did not look into it.

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Um, but she was still I would assume, but she was still groundbreaking in this, as she is widely credited as credited as the first black woman ever to sing on American radio.

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That's wild.

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Yeah.

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Good for her.

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So by the late 1920s, Hattie had gained plenty of experience, but she was still seeking that big break.

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Sure.

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Then the Great Depression hit.

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It was pretty depressing that time.

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The 1929 stock market crash decimated the entertainment industry.

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Oh, sure.

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And vaudeville uh venues dried up.

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Yep.

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Well, at that time, how could you afford to spend on entertainment when we need to put fucking food on the table or name your essentials here?

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Exactly.

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I'm not going to the show.

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So yeah, that's got to be one of the first things to fucking dry up for sure.

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And because these venues dried up, she was actually stuck in Milwaukee.

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Oh.

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In 1929.

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Algonquin for the good land.

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No money, no show.

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Um, and she had to take a cleaning job just to survive.

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Sure.

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Uh this cleaning job was like the a woman's um bathroom kind of a thing.

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Sure.

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Like an attendant.

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Okay.

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Um, late one night she was working at Sam Picks Suburban Inn.

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Sam Picks.

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Which was a Milwaukee nightclub.

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Oh.

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Later I found that it was also called called Club Madrid.

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I've heard of that.

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Neither of which are around.

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And I I tried to find where it was, and I heard the intersection of like 124 4th Street and Blue West Blue Mound.

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Oh, okay.

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And it was, yeah, but the the two streets don't intersect, so I don't know.

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No, and that makes it tough because well, I mean, it they kind of intersect, but either way, yeah, okay.

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So she was singing at the or excuse me, she was working at this nightclub and the scheduled performers canceled, had finished, but the audience wanted more.

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Right, what do we got?

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Yeah.

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And the manager was like, uh, our entertainers are gone.

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So Hattie volunteered to sing on the spot.

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Nice.

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So she climbed up on stage and sang WC Handy's St.

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Louis Blues.

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The nightclub patrons were stunned, but they loved it and they erupted in applause.

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So was this nightclub mostly like white patrons at this time then?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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I mean, I just I figured.

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Yeah.

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But okay.

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Yeah.

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So McDaniel's impromptu performance was such a hit that the club hired her as a regular entertainer.

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Oh wow.

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Yeah.

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Very fortuitous uh timing there.

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Because she signed like a two-year contract here.

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That's huge for a black woman in nine.

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We're in 29 now still.

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Are we in 30?

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Where are we at?

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Uh we are in, I think we're still in 29.

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Okay.

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That's I mean, that's that's impressive for her to get a two-year contract with a club.

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That's that's fantastic.

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Yeah.

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So in 1931, she finally saved enough money to move to Los Angeles.

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Okay.

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Where the evolving film industry offered some new possibilities.

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Sure.

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She was nearly 40 years old and arriving in Hollywood at the dawn of the talkies.

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So she was determined to find her place on that silver screen.

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The talkies are actual talking pictures, not silent pictures.

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Correct.

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That's what they called them.

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Talkies, yeah.

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I did not know that.

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Yeah, they called them talkies.

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You didn't know that.

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No, yeah, the brand new ones where they finally added voiceover or whatever, they were called talkies.

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I never heard that before.

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And I love movies, and you know how much I love movies.

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That's surprising.

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I've never heard that.

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That's wild.

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I think I have a hair in my eyeball.

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Oh shit.

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I know.

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Hold please.

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Hold please.

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Um, talkies, really.

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I never heard that before.

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I'll have to ask my mom being as old as she is.

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She was around before movies, so um just kidding.

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Uh, but she's a big old movie person, so I wonder if she knew that's what they were called.

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I bet you she does.

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My mom calls stuff thingies a lot.

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Like, can you go get the thingy?

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Because she can't find the words, and I I relate to that.

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I can't find the words for a lot of like normal things like coffee.

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I can't find the word for coffee sometimes.

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So you just say thingy?

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Yeah, or I point to it, but or I'll use every descriptor the brown liquid stuff.

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No, I'll say like the brown liquid stuff.

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Oh my god.

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With the caffeine.

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I'll say every other word, but the actual word for coffee.

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From this, from here on out, you'll be known as Kathy.

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Jesus Christ.

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Okay.

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So when Hattie got to California, work in movies obviously didn't come easily at first.

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It never does.

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Her name is Hattie, right?

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H-A-T-T-I-N.

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For some reason, I keep going Hetty, and I'm like, that's not right.

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Okay.

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So there was something that said that she was also Hetty, but I have seen far more Hattie's.

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It's on her gravestone.

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Okay.

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So I was just I just wanted to make sure I wasn't getting it wrong because for some reason I can't because Hetty is more common, even though it's not very common.

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Like Henrietta.

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No, I'm just talking about Hetty.

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I mean, where why did you have to bring Henrietta in this?

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Sorry, my bad.

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She fucking writes it.

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Okay, so sh Hetty Hattie could take whatever she could get.

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So stop it.

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That's on me.

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I brought it up and then you fucked it up.

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She often worked as a film extra or singing in the background of musical scenes.

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Okay.

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Hollywood in the early 1930s was booming, but roles for black actors were scarce and very stereotypical.

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Well, and they were because the whole segregation thing was still very, very huge, obviously.

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They were usually limited to servants, maids, porters, and comic relief.

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That's why you'd see a lot of like a lot of the movies that my mom watched, even in you know, these from the 40s and shit, you would see them as like a a waiter, uh a butler, stuff like that, more of a servant type role.

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Yeah.

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Just because that's what they were stereotyped into, unfortunately.

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Yeah.

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And then of course, eventually they broke out of that.

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But back then, yeah, they had very shit roles, if you will.

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They weren't the lead actor.

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And a lot of I mean, there's there's always some, like, okay, back to Casablanca, which was in 42.

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Is that right?

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No.

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God damn it.

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I should know this.

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It's one of my favorite movies.

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Um I'll look it up.

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You know, Sam the um piano player.

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Do you remember watching that with me?

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Yeah.

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Because I had to show it to you.

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1942.

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Ah, look at me go.

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Uh, play it again, Sam.

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He was, you know, again, it wasn't a lead role by any stretch, because obviously Humphrey Bogart and whatever, but um he was very prevalent in the movie.

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He was Humphrey's friend, and you know, the Rick is friend, but um it took a long time for them to get more substantial roles.

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We'll just say that, is I guess what I'm getting at.

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So um Hattie was armed with her timing, her charisma, and she also found that her size, she was a larger woman, okay, um, and her knack for comedy actually made her a natural fit for typecasting of the era.

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Sure.

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So she appeared in a string of uncredited or small parts playing maids, nannies, or mammies um in various films.

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Mammies?

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They called them mammies.

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What what what's a mammy?

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It's a type of maid.

00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:25.440
Oh.

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Maid slash nanny.

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So it's a it's a maid and a nanny, basically is what it is.

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So I didn't know that.

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Okay.

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Thinking about the time frame that we're talking about and the type of people that she's playing.

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Do you have any inclination of what her ice her Oscar might have been from before like we get to it?

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Like the movie?

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Yeah.

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Oh boy.

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I'm gonna go with.

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I'm guessing you've probably seen it at least once.

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Gone with the wind.

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Correct.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Good job.

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I'm picturing her right now, actually.

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Yeah, that's Hetty.

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God damn it.

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I that's you put it in my brain.

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I'm so sorry.

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At least something's in there.

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Fuck off.

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Fuck right off.

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Fuck right off and get out of here.

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Okay, so bit by bit, she was starting to get noticed around town.

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Okay.

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So an early break came in 1934 when she landed a part in the film Judge Priest, where McDaniels sang a duet with Will Rogers.

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Oh.

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Then she was in the comedy The Little Colonel in 35, opposite Shirley Temple again as a maid.

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Okay.

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And then Alice Adams in 1935, which was a comedy drama starring Catherine Katherine Hepburn.

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Sure.

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And um Hattie played a cook, and she turned like this really brief dining room scene into a comedic highlight, basically outshining Catherine Hepburn herself.

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Sure.

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So opportunities for substantial roles remained painfully limited by the segregationist unwritten rules of Hollywood.

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Yeah, yeah, right.

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So studios were reluctant to cast black actors and anything but servants' parts.

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So it was a frustrating reality for Hattie.

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Um, she would say later, quote, why should I complain about making seven hundred dollars a week playing a maid?

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If I didn't, I'd be a maid making seven dollars a week.

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Well, exactly.

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Like seven hundred dollars for a black actress in her late thirties, probably early forties at this time.

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That's a lot of fucking money.

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I would take that now.

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Yeah.

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$700 a week, I would take that now.

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And could you imagine, like obviously, that we're talking again, uh late 30s, right?

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Was when we're at um what that would be equivalent to today.

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Probably pretty pretty decent pay, honestly.

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Oh yeah.

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So I mean, God, yeah, that's she not saying she I didn't do that conversion.

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I should have.

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Not saying she's living lavishly, but that's a pretty good living for uh a woman of color back.

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For such for small roles for bit parts, basically, yeah, for sure.

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No, that's I mean, good for her to take every opportunity she could get.

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And she's so right.

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She would have made far fucking less doing the job she's imitating instead of actually just imitating it or playing it, whatever you want to call it.

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But it's like, yeah, she would have made far fucking less and been a lot harder work, and a lot unhappier.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I don't like cleaning.

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Who does?

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There's some weirdos out there.

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There are some weirdos out there.

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My dad's one.

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Well, he doesn't necessarily like to clean, he just likes the after effect.

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Well, obviously, that's always the benefit of doing anything.

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It takes after my grandma, who's very who had a very nice.

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That's even like when I did when I sold beer, you know, I'd fill the cooler and face it up so it looked all nice.

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I'd look across like a big long cooler and be fucking flat.

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I'm like, yeah, look at it.

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And then Budweiser would be all fucked because they're stupid.

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But um it'd be like that looks great.

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It's an accomplishment, yeah.

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It's it's the the goal, the finished goal or or outcome relationship.

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That you see, and it's like, I did that, yeah, you know, kind of thing.

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And it looks good, yeah.

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So Hattie was aware, well aware that the only roles available to her were maids and mammies.

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So she decided that she would play those roles better than anybody else and make a good living with it.

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Well, fuck yeah.

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It's like, you know what?

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If this is what I'm gonna be typecast into, I'm gonna fucking own this.

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So when you need this character, you're calling Hattie.

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Not Hattie, you're calling Hattie.

00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:56.480
So the part that would let her truly shine that came in the late 1930s was Gone with the Wind.

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Yep.

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Great job.

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Thank you.

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Margaret Mitchell's epic Civil War novel, Gone with the Wind, was a nationwide sensation in the late 1930s.

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Sure was.

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And producer David O.

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Selznick, his film adaptation was one of the most highly anticipated projects in Hollywood.

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Do you remember uh what happened with our Wizard of Oz episode?

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Yes, Victor Fleming.

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Yeah.

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He left Wizard of Oz to go do to go do um Gone with the Wind.

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Sure did.

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Look at us learning shit.

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Look at us remembering shit.

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That's the fucking case.

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That's the feat.

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That's why we record this so we can fucking learn it again if we forgot.

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We can just rewatch it or listen to it.

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Look at us go.

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So the novel story is set on a Georgia plantation.

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Yep.

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And it featured a housemaid character named Mammy.

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Mammy, okay.

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And it's that's right.

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Hey, Mammy.

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Yep, that's right, that's right.

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Okay.

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An enslaved maidservant deeply devoted to the O'Hara family.

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Yeah.

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So the role was dripping in stereotypes, of course.

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Was sick and it, but it was significant to the story and offered a rare chunk of screen time for a black character.

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That is true.

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I mean, it was very it was a bigger role than what people would think for that type of actress.

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When was the last time you watched it?

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Oh boy.

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It's been all it's been a same for me.

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I think I've only seen it once and I probably didn't appreciate it.

00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:28.720
It's really long.

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It's really long.

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Isn't it like three plus hours long, if I'm not mistaken?

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Yeah.

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It's again, it's been a while since I've watched it.

00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:36.640
Yeah, it's a long time.

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Like to the point where I believe there was an intermission when they played it in the theater.

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Could be back in the day.

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I don't know if they still do that if they ever re-release it, but um all I remember is um who's the main chick again?

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Um Vivian Lee.

00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:51.759
Thank you.

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Like she had uh kissed um what's his name, and apparently he had really bad breath.

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Rat butler was at his his That was his name in the movie.

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What's his name?

00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:05.119
Clark Gable.

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I think so.

00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:08.079
Right?

00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:09.599
Am I getting this wrong?

00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:12.480
Yes, it's Clark, yes, Clark Gable, because that's my next line.

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Oh read on trouble.

00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:23.039
But no, I if I remember right, like he had because he used to smoke and drink coffee a lot and whatever, and I don't know, apparently didn't brush his teeth.

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I have no idea.

00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:31.680
But yeah, apparently I heard that rumorslash tidbit or whatever you want to call it, that he was really yeah, so that's funny.

00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:32.960
You need some gum.

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So Hattie by now was known around town for her talent in maid roles and was eager to audition.

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Um, she actually did fear that her comedic reputation might hurt her for this role.

00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:46.319
Oh, sure.

00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:46.960
I can see that.

00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:50.319
She was actually kind of friends with Clark Gable.

00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:51.119
Was she really?

00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:52.079
Oh, nice.

00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:56.640
And he was the one that privately urged the producers to give Hattie the role.

00:24:56.960 --> 00:24:57.920
Oh, that's awesome.

00:24:58.400 --> 00:24:58.960
Good for him.

00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:02.640
So obviously, Hattie did everything she could to land it herself.

00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:10.400
She famously showed up to her audition dressed in an authentic maid's uniform from that time frame, that's awesome.

00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:12.319
And embodied the part of Mammy.

00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:13.279
Oh, good for her.

00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:20.480
So whether it was Gable's suggestion or her own bit, whatever, she got the role.

00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:25.680
So you'll probably get the get to this, and I'm apologize if I'm jumping the gun here.

00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:29.119
But did she win for a supporting actress?

00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:29.839
Supporting.

00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:31.440
That's what her ask was for?

00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:32.000
Okay.

00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:34.640
I figured, but obviously I just kind of was curious.

00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:35.039
Yeah.

00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:40.480
So the the securing of the role of Mammy was a huge breakthrough, but it did come with baggage.

00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:41.119
Of course.

00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:47.279
Even before filming began, black leaders and newspapers raised concerns about Gone with the Winds content.

00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:48.160
Oh, Jesus.

00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:55.279
They knew the story glorified the antebellum South and could easily reinforce racist tropes.

00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:57.279
What is antebellum?

00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:02.720
I don't know.

00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:09.440
Because it's a period in the South before the Civil War.

00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:11.759
So why is that racist?

00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:23.279
Because it is um characterized by the plantation economy that was built with uh slave labor in mind.

00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:27.279
I understand that, but it also is just referring to a time frame.

00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:28.240
Yes.

00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:34.799
Because I'll be honest, Lady A, no respect that they changed her name from Lady Antebellum.

00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:36.319
Just want to say that aloud.

00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:38.720
I also don't like them.

00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:40.480
I saw them in concert once.

00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:41.440
I'm sorry.

00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:42.319
I don't mind it.

00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:43.920
That's that's your thing.

00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:45.519
So moving on.

00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:46.000
Yeah.

00:26:46.640 --> 00:27:08.240
So the NAACP, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and figures like Walter White, who is the NAACP's executive secretary, pressed the producer Selznick to avoid the most offensive despic uh depictions from the book.

00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:08.799
Okay.

00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:13.759
And they succeeded in getting the N-word removed from the screenplay.

00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:15.039
Well, that's good.

00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:20.720
But many African Americans remained deeply uneasy about the film.

00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:21.839
Oh, okay.

00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:30.400
Um, many people calledznick's Selznick's um movie a weapon of terror against black America before it even hit the screens.

00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:32.799
See, that's not fair if you've never seen it.

00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:34.079
They read the book.

00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:36.640
Okay, but this is this isn't the book.

00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:37.519
Yes.

00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:41.599
I mean, it's it's it's different.

00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:47.920
So in this type of atmosphere, Hattie's decision to play mammy was controversial.

00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:48.480
Sure.

00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:59.759
Some black observers felt that no matter how talented McDaniel was, the mammy role itself, a loyal slave, seemingly content with bondage, was a betrayal of bat black dignity.

00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:04.720
But okay, you don't have to argue with me.

00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:08.400
I'm I'm not saying I'm not arguing with you.

00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:10.240
I'm just sharing details, you know.

00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:11.680
Yeah, which I appreciate.

00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:16.960
What I was gonna say is like, and again, I'm not from this time frame.

00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:21.759
Yeah, I'm only recalling things I've read and such and so on.

00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:42.240
There was a lot of slaves that were very loyal to their owners, and luckily, some, not all, obviously, when things turned benefited from that, meaning they got opportunities to actually make wages from previous owners and such and so on.

00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:50.799
Instead of owning you, we're gonna employ you because we know what you can do, we like what you do, so on.

00:28:50.960 --> 00:29:01.759
So, I mean, I get what they're saying because oh, I get that, but at the same time, it's like, yeah, that fucking part sucked.

00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:20.400
I get it, but it happened, yeah, and we got out of it, and it's been a long fucking hard road, don't get me wrong, but some people actually, I'm not gonna say benefited from it, but were able to utilize that friendship and or loyalty to better themselves after the fact.

00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:28.240
So it's like I get what they're coming at because they thought maybe well shit if it might go backwards now.

00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:29.039
Exactly.

00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:37.440
That's that's what they were terrified about, which I understand is fucking would be horrific, obviously, but that's not what they were going for either.

00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:42.559
They were just adapting this book from this time frame.

00:29:42.960 --> 00:30:00.960
That's why I don't like when certain things like even to today and in our woke society that we live in, they they alter things to fit the narrative of today when it's like let's do this book that was written in this year, but we're gonna put it in today.

00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:10.000
I get it's an adaptation, and it's not gonna be fucking word for word, it's not gonna be everything's gonna be exactly the same, but it's like don't change history as well.

00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:14.160
Yeah, we learn from history, that's why we are doing what we're doing, yeah.

00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:16.079
And I I don't like I don't like that.

00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:23.680
Yeah, that that it makes it so it's like we're erasing history instead of actually learning from it and growing from it.

00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:38.799
And I just I feel like, yeah, there's been a lot of terrible things, and slavery was one of them, but there's also a thousand million fucking other things that were fucking terrible in history, so Nazis, am I right?

00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.839
So Hattie saw Gone with the Wind as a chance of a lifetime.

00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:46.640
Oh, 100%.

00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:54.079
This is good for her, and she explained that she approached Mammy not as a stereotype but as a fully realized human being.

00:30:54.240 --> 00:31:03.279
Yeah, she said, quote, I loved Mammy, I think I understood her because her own grandmother worked on a plantation not unlike Tara.

00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:04.079
Yeah.

00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:06.640
My own grandmother, I'm sorry if I misspoke.

00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:09.599
Her own grandmother worked on a plantation, not unlike Tara.

00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:10.960
I kind of figured you meant that.

00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:11.279
Yeah.

00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:18.799
So for Hattie, honoring the struggles and warmth of women like her grandmother gave her character depth beyond what was written on the page.

00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:19.440
Sure.

00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:28.000
So filming of Gone with the Wind in 1939 was huge, and Hattie held her own among stars like Vivian Lee and her friend Clark Gable.

00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:28.559
Yep.

00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.640
On set, she kept things light.

00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.640
She would crack up Gable with her sly deliveries.

00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:35.359
That's awesome.

00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:41.759
As Mamie, she was warm and maternal, but also sharp-tongued and unafraid to put Scarlet in her place.

00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:42.720
Which is great.

00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:53.680
Victor Fleming, the um director who left Wizard of Oz for this, um, let her improvise and her performance filled with charisma and authenticity.

00:31:54.000 --> 00:32:00.000
That's I don't want to say it's rare for the time, but I feel like it's rare for the time, especially in that particular role that she had.

00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:00.480
Yeah.

00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:01.599
That's that's awesome.

00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:01.839
Yeah.

00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:02.960
That he would let her do that.

00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:04.559
That's pretty fucking great.

00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.400
When the film pre uh premiered, critics raved.

00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:16.720
Um, the Atlanta Constitution said the she stole the show, praising the strength and moral backbone she brought to the role.

00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:30.720
In a movie that romanticized the old South, um, Hattie's Mammy stood out as one character who truly um had integrity and sense, turning a stereotyped role into something deeply human and moving.

00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:36.880
See, and that's why it's shitty that people shit on it prior to it even being made.

00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:37.599
Yeah.

00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:38.960
I mean, I get it.

00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:46.319
I see what they were trying to do to whatever, but it's like you haven't even seen this yet.

00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.319
You don't know what the adaptation is.

00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:48.880
Yeah.

00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:57.839
So I don't know, maybe wait, but people have knee-jerk reactions and fucking fly off the handle before they even know what the fuck's going on.

00:32:58.000 --> 00:32:58.240
Yeah.

00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:11.119
I mean, that's prevalent today, so so if if Hattie hoped Gone with the Wind might begin to bridge Hollywood's racial divide, reality hit a little bit hard at the premiere.

00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:11.920
Oh, okay.

00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:19.920
The producer Selznick staged the world premiere in Atlanta, Georgia on December 15th, 1939.

00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:26.640
A grand gala affair in a city still strictly segregated.

00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:30.319
Well, I mean Atlanta, South, Georgia.

00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:32.640
Hattie was not invited.

00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:34.640
See, that's too bad.

00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:36.799
To the own premiere.

00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:41.680
Do they do it in Georgia because that is that where it's set?

00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:42.319
It is.

00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:43.359
I think it is where it's set in.

00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:44.079
I believe, right?

00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:44.799
Okay.

00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:49.920
So So I can I can see why they would they would want to do it there.

00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:58.240
Do it there, but I feel like they missed an opportunity by having everyone involved there because not having everyone involved there.

00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:00.160
Well, you know, that's what I meant.

00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:00.799
I'm sorry.

00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:14.480
Um but because like the fact that, you know, in 1939 she couldn't be invited, even though she was a very prevalent part to this movie, as we just literally discussed.

00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:20.800
Um, and she's friends with the fucking main male actor and everything and so on.

00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:24.320
But yet, nah, you know, why don't you stay home for this one?

00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:25.440
It's like fuck that.

00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:26.960
That's so stupid.

00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:32.639
So the theater bar barred black patrons entirely.

00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:33.440
Good lord.

00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:38.079
And Georgia's segregation laws extended to the film's own black cast members.

00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.960
Clark Gable was furious when he learned that his friend Hattie had not been invited.

00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:44.960
Like I kind of just said, in a way.

00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:49.760
That I mean, as he should have been furious because again, she was a big part of the movie.

00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:51.519
Also his friend.

00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:58.320
So Gable reportedly threatened to boycott the premiere in protest.

00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:03.360
Okay, telling Selznick he wouldn't show up unless Hattie could come.

00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:04.400
Good for him.

00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:09.280
It was a bold stance from one of Hollywood's biggest stars, exactly.

00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:15.119
However, upon hearing about Gable's boycott plan, Hattie urged him to drop it.

00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:20.639
Oh she didn't want him to jeopardize his career for the film's success on her account.

00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.599
And she convinced Gable to attend without her.

00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:25.599
I mean, good on her.

00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:30.639
She handled it with grace and pragmatis pragmatism.

00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:32.400
Pragmatism?

00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:34.960
Pragmatism.

00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:36.880
Pragmatism.

00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:39.199
We got there.

00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:44.480
That's that's big on her part to do that.

00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:49.360
Um she's she really like what's the what's the way I want to say this?

00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:53.440
She could um read the I don't want to say read the room.

00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:59.519
She had the the overall picture of what this could be, and she's like, I'm just a small portion of this big thing.

00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:04.480
Even though she was bigger than she probably gave herself credit for in this movie, which she was.

00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:04.880
Yeah.

00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:15.679
Um she had her finger on the pulse of of what this could be and be like, don't fuck this up because I feel like this is something we made something great here.

00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:20.000
I understand what you're doing, but put that aside for now.

00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:20.320
Yeah.

00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:21.519
So good good on her.

00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:24.639
I mean, that's that's fucking amazing that she she went that route.

00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:25.440
That's awesome.

00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:38.480
So on premier night in Atlanta, Mayor William Hartsfield asked the all-white audience to give a round of applause to the Negro members of the cast, none of whom was present.

00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:40.239
That's literally all he said.

00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:41.679
None of whom was present.

00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:44.400
It's not because they weren't present, it's because you you didn't invite them.

00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:46.239
You didn't not even invite them.

00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:47.440
You didn't you wouldn't have allowed them.

00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:48.159
Allowed them.

00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:50.159
Even if they showed up, that you wouldn't have allowed them in.

00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.519
So, I mean, is it cool that he did that?

00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:59.440
I guess you could say that, but round of applause for those who weren't here because they can't be here on purpose.

00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:02.480
They can't be here because we don't want them here.

00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:06.559
That's that's called a dick move on his part.

00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.079
And he should be drawn in court.

00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:10.880
I'm sorry.

00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:12.960
Um, that that's shitty.

00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:16.880
So two weeks later, Gone with the Wind had its Hollywood premiere.

00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:18.800
Okay, so we're back in LA.

00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:21.599
And Hattie was able to attend.

00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:22.719
Thank goodness.

00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:32.320
The Oscars were looming, and another color line awaited her there when the Academy Award nominations were announced in early 1940.

00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:37.039
Um, Gone with the Wind led the pack with 13 nominations.

00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:38.960
It's like Titanic all over again.

00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:41.039
Well, I mean Well, to begin with.

00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:43.760
All over again.

00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.079
Or or my ears hurt.

00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:49.679
Oh board, my ears hurt.

00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:55.519
Um 13 nominations, especially back in 1940, is fucking great.

00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:56.880
I mean, that's huge.

00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:05.760
So Hattie was nominated for Best Supporting Actress, making her the first black performer ever nominated for an Oscar.

00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:06.880
That's fucking awesome.

00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:09.760
And on Oscar night, February 29th, 1940.

00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:10.800
She got to attend.

00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:11.679
David, yes.

00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:12.400
Oh, thank god.

00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:19.519
David Selsnik ensured that McDaniel would be welcomed as his guest at the ceremony, despite the venue.

00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:20.880
What was the venue?

00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:23.840
Um, the Ambassador Hotel's Coconut Grove.

00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:25.280
I'm not familiar, okay.

00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:30.480
It was a strict whites-only policy, and somehow they're like, could they not have done that in Atlanta?

00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:31.599
But whatever.

00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:33.199
Whatever.

00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:41.760
Hattie arrived in a turquoise gown and gardenia blooms and accompanied by her escort, F.

00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:42.239
P.

00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:46.639
Yober, who was Y-O-B-E-R Yober.

00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:52.880
He was a black newspaper man and her white agent, William Micheldron.

00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:54.159
Michaeldrawn?

00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:55.599
Okay.

00:38:56.239 --> 00:39:02.960
Um, even so, once inside the Coconut Grove's um ballroom, um, Hattie faced segregation yet again.

00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:04.719
Do they have separate bathrooms?

00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:09.679
The hotel would not let her sit with the rest of the Gone with the Wind team at the main table.

00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:11.280
Are you fucking serious?

00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:12.639
Good lord.

00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:14.320
People suck.

00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:24.880
Instead, Hattie, her date, and her agent were seated at a small table set apart from the others near a far wall of the banquet hall.

00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:27.599
It was Was it an obstructed view?

00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:28.159
Probably.

00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:29.119
Jesus Christ.

00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:29.599
Probably.

00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:30.719
You see that column?

00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:31.599
You're sitting right behind.

00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:32.320
Exactly.

00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.559
She felt like an outsider way over there.

00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:35.760
Well, no shit.

00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:37.280
That's stupid.

00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.960
The the the ceremony dragged on for hours.

00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:42.159
Well, back then, yeah.

00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.840
They didn't have TV commercials and slots and everything to contend with.

00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:48.639
I'm pretty sure they also didn't have music to play off the fucking.

00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:51.119
You got nine seconds to go.

00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.840
So it wasn't until 1 a.m.

00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:58.880
that the presenters finally reached the supporting actor and actress categories.

00:39:59.119 --> 00:39:59.599
Oh my god.

00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:01.679
Yeah, what time did it start?

00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:02.719
I don't know.

00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:03.760
I didn't look it up.

00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:05.199
Because if it started at 12.30 a.m.

00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:06.639
guy for that era.

00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.440
If it started at 12 30 a.m., we're not too bad.

00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:10.639
That's not too bad.

00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:12.960
But if it started at 2 p.m.

00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:14.960
the day before, we're fucked.

00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:16.800
Obviously, it didn't, but I know.

00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:22.320
Actress Faye Banter was presenting the supporting actress award.

00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:22.800
Okay.

00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:26.960
And she acknowledged the significance of the moment.

00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:27.920
Sure.

00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:36.320
Quote, it opens the doors of this room, moves back the walls, and enables us to embrace the whole of America.

00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:40.079
Obviously hinting at the barrier about to be broken.

00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:41.519
Yeah, way to give it away.

00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:41.920
Right.

00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:43.599
What the fuck?

00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:48.000
She announced the winner, Patty McDaniel, for the role of Mammy.

00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:52.719
And for a few seconds, the room room actually fell silent, but then it corrupted.

00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:54.960
Because they're like, wait, this actually just happened.

00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:55.840
This just happened.

00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:57.840
And they're like, fuck it, exactly.

00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:00.079
And then they just erupted with the plot.

00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:01.519
That's so cool.

00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:08.559
Don't you wish that this could have been, I'm sure it wasn't, because of the timing filmed?

00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:09.679
I think it was.

00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:10.559
Was it really?

00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:11.280
I think so.

00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:15.599
I wonder if we can find video of this because that would be fucking awesome.

00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:16.880
I think so.

00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:23.280
I watched a documentary with Whoopi Goldberg as the presenter, and I want to say that that it was filmed.

00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:27.039
I watched it while I was at work, so I was doing other things.

00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:37.679
Let's look into that after this because if at all possible, if we can even just include that clip, I would love to because that's fucking awesome.

00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:42.559
I mean, what a fucking groundbreaking thing for Hollywood.

00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.920
And for Hollywood, for women, for black women.

00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:47.199
I mean, yeah.

00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:47.760
Yeah.

00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:51.199
It's just awesome because middle-aged black women.

00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:56.320
I mean, she she was a very specific type of woman.

00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.199
Very, a very specific minority.

00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:06.079
And and that that time frame, very looked down upon, unfortunately.

00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:09.360
And good good on fucking her to do that.

00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.880
And for those people to realize, wait, that just happened.

00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:14.480
Fuck yeah, it just happened.

00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:16.079
You know, I'd I'd I'd like this.

00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:17.280
Let's look into that.

00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:19.039
If we can include a clip, we will.

00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:23.519
Um, if not, um maybe a picture, but um, that would be fucking awesome.

00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:24.320
So yeah.

00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:29.599
So many witnesses said it was one of the most emotional ovations in Oscar history.

00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:30.000
I know.

00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:30.800
No doubt.

00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:32.480
It would probably give me goosebumps.

00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:33.440
No shit.

00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:40.880
Um, Hetty was momentarily stunned, and she later wrote that she wanted to burst out of her skin with happiness when she heard her name announced.

00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:42.159
I can imagine.

00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:49.920
Collecting her self, she walked to the podium, accepted the golden Oscar plaque, and spoke from her heart.

00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.039
So back then it was a plaque, not the statue.

00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.760
I think it I think it was still the statue, if I recall.

00:42:58.079 --> 00:42:58.400
Okay.

00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:02.400
But it's there's like a little plaque on it as well that says like best supporting.

00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:03.280
Right, right, right, right.

00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:04.400
But I could be wrong.

00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:05.280
But either way.

00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:09.440
She said, quote, this is one of the happiest moments of my life.

00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:12.880
This is in 40.

00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:13.440
Yes.

00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:17.199
So she would have been 47, 46, 47 at this time.

00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:18.960
God damn, that's fucking awesome.

00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:20.639
Sorry, sorry, brief that.

00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:26.880
She thanked those who had a part in selecting her and expressed how it made her feel very, very humble.

00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:27.440
Yeah.

00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:33.119
And then came her closing, which apparently has been made famous, although I don't think I've ever heard it.

00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:34.480
Oh, I wonder if I have.

00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:40.719
She said, quote, I shall always hold it as a beacon for anything that I may be able to do in the future.

00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:45.920
I sincerely hope I shall always be a credit to my race and to the motion picture industry.

00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:47.360
Oh, that's fantastic.

00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:48.320
Have you heard that before?

00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:48.880
I don't know.

00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:52.079
I'm I mean, maybe, but I it doesn't ring a bell, unfortunately.

00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.400
So if I have, I don't recall it, unfortunately.

00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:56.719
But yeah, that's fucking awesome.

00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:04.800
Many in the audience, hardened industry veterans, um, were in tears witnessing the uh the the groundbreaking.

00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:06.239
Groundbreaking moment.

00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:06.960
For sure.

00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:07.599
Yeah.

00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:17.360
So press coverage of Hattie's win was largely celebratory, with writers praising her as her Oscar as proof that talent could rise above prejudice.

00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:20.159
Um, others were more skeptical, skeptical.

00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:29.599
A radio host noted that she'd likely return to playing maids, and some studio executives even vowed not to cast black actors in major roles again.

00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:31.280
That's fucking stupid.

00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:33.840
Why are people why are people shit?

00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:34.320
I know.

00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:35.039
Seriously.

00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.760
Within the black community, reactions were mixed.

00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:44.800
Pride in her achievement, but discomfort that Hollywood's first honored black role reinforced a um a stereotype.

00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:50.559
See, I get what they're saying by that, but in my opinion, they're looking at it the wrong way.

00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:52.639
They're looking at a story.

00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:56.079
They're looking at a story, they're looking at the role she played.

00:44:56.320 --> 00:45:08.159
But like she's a an actress in Hollywood, correct, and a singer and a comedian, and she's she won, not Mammy.

00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:10.480
And and correct, exactly.

00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:18.400
Yeah, not the character, not the character the actress one, yes, and her parents came from that life.

00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:22.320
So it's it's a great fucking progression.

00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:41.360
Her parents were fucking born into slavery, or right, born into they obviously civil war, everything, they're not had 13 fucking children, and their youngest is now fucking winning a goddamn Oscar and had stuff to pull from because of her upcoming.

00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:47.679
She had the emotions, she had the emotion, she had the the knowledge of what her parents went through and so on, and whatever.

00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:48.800
That's fucking huge.

00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:50.000
Don't look at it that way.

00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:56.079
That is such the wrong way to look at it, and that's that's unfortunate because this was very significant.

00:45:56.159 --> 00:46:04.480
And yes, it sucks that it took fucking forever for Whoopi if she was the next one, which I believe you're right, um, to get one.

00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:06.800
I think it was for the color purple.

00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:10.559
Or was it ghost?

00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:13.920
Oh, it might have been ghost.

00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:14.320
Right?

00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:15.280
It might have been ghost.

00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:16.800
Yeah.

00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.119
No, you it might have been ghost.

00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:20.719
We'll look we'll look it up later.

00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:21.599
We'll look it up later.

00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:22.239
But okay.

00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:26.000
But it it's so significant, they're looking at it, in my opinion, the wrong way.

00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:26.400
Yeah.

00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.280
I get where they're coming from, don't get me wrong.

00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.000
But look at what she just fucking did.

00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:32.320
Yeah.

00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:43.039
So at the banquet's end, um the celebration did have its limits when the Gone with the Win team headed to an after party at a no blacks club in Hollywood.

00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:44.960
Patty was not allowed in.

00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:50.239
Which obviously we have to, in case you don't know, Gone with the Win won best picture.

00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:53.519
Did they?

00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:55.039
Are you serious?

00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:55.840
No, I don't know.

00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:57.039
Look it up.

00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:00.400
So I'm gonna just ramble while she does this.

00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:06.880
Um I live, I uh I I was gonna say I like, and then I'm like, I love movies.

00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:08.159
Best picture.

00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:08.800
I know.

00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:09.760
Weird.

00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:11.760
Bradley knew something.

00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:15.119
Best actress was Vivian Lee.

00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:15.519
Yep.

00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:18.960
Didn't did didn't Clark Gable win best actor?

00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:25.039
Um Do you have all 13 nominations?

00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:27.119
That would be interesting to know.

00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:37.039
Best picture, best actress in a supporting role, best writing, okay, um, an academy academy honorary award.

00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:37.679
Honorary.

00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:38.239
Okay.

00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:39.519
I don't know what that one's about.

00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:44.800
Best production, best overall DVD?

00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:45.679
Probably not.

00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:48.719
What the fuck?

00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:49.599
Duff.

00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:59.360
Best actress in a leading role, best directing, um, best cinematography, best film editing.

00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.119
Did Clark Gable win best actor?

00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:04.000
I don't know.

00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:07.119
It's not sounding that way, but for some reason I thought he did.

00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:12.320
But I I mean again, I'm not a fucking steel trap here.

00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:14.079
I can't remember everything.

00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:16.079
Um yeah, he won best actor.

00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:16.960
That's what I thought.

00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:17.280
Okay.

00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:18.079
Look at me go.

00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:18.559
Yeah.

00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:19.840
Okay, let's get back to it.

00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:21.440
Never mind, steel trap.

00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:22.800
Let's get back to it.

00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:23.840
Sorry.

00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:27.039
So I like to derail shit from time to time.

00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:35.280
In the months and years following Gone with the Wind, Hattie found herself navigating a strange new status.

00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:44.320
She was rewarded with a lucrative long-term studio contract at MGM following her Oscar win.

00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:45.039
Sure.

00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:49.360
But the type of roles that she was offered did not improve.

00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:50.960
Still the same.

00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:57.039
Hollywood still saw Hattie only as a maid or a comic mammy for life.

00:48:57.199 --> 00:48:57.519
Sure.

00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:06.159
In the 1940s, she continued to be cast in servant roles, often giving more lines and bits of business than before.

00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:06.719
But not.

00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:09.360
But still servant roles just the same.

00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:14.639
Yeah, but it's it's good work for her.

00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:18.800
One exception came in with Warner Brothers.

00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:19.039
Okay.

00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:22.960
Their drama in this Our Life in 1942.

00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:29.519
Um, Hattie played the mother of a young law student falsely accused of a crime.

00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:30.000
Oh.

00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:38.000
The role had depth and dignity, and Hattie delivered an amazing performance, according to critics.

00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:38.559
Okay.

00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:56.079
Yet the NAACP leader, Walter White, who saw the film, wrote a congratulatory, congratulatory letter to not Hattie, but to her white co-star for being in a film that addressed racism.

00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:58.639
He never even reached out to Hattie.

00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:03.920
And he's the one who's trying to fight for black lives, black voices.

00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:04.880
What what?

00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:11.440
Do you find it funny that that the the the head guy for the NAACP's last name is White?

00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:12.880
Yes, I find it funny.

00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:14.239
Isn't that kind of ironic?

00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:15.519
It's ironic.

00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:16.559
Don't you think?

00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:18.400
Thank you, Alanis.

00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:20.400
I'm going in with my hibiscus.

00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:21.760
Great choice.

00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:22.960
These are good.

00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:23.599
I like these.

00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:25.840
I like mine I'm on my third.

00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:27.360
I'm on my second.

00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:40.719
So the this slate reflected a deeper rift between Hattie and the NAACP leaders like Walter White, who condemned Hollywood stereotypes and criticized black actors who took such roles.

00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:41.280
Okay.

00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:44.960
Hattie resented being held up as the problem.

00:50:45.519 --> 00:51:03.360
But the break became public in 1942 at the NAACP convention, where White showcased newcomer Lena Horn as the quote unquote ideal future of Black Hollywood while ignoring veterans like Hattie.

00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:04.960
She's a singer, Lena Horn.

00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:08.960
The name sounds familiar, but I I I okay.

00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:14.559
She was young, she was elegant, and she had lighter complexion.

00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:16.000
See, fuck that.

00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:16.480
Okay.

00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:24.079
She was being groomed by MGM to be a different kind of black movie star, one who would never play a maid.

00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:30.639
And humiliated Hattie later said that he treated her like a southern colonel to his favorite slave.

00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:32.159
That's shit.

00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:36.239
So immediately after the convention, Hattie fired back publicly.

00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:43.119
She said, quote, I have no quarrel with the NAACP or colored fans who object to the roles some of us play.

00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:47.119
But I naturally resent being completely ignored at the convention.

00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:47.599
Sure.

00:51:47.840 --> 00:52:00.400
She defended her career, saying, quote, I have struggled for 11 years to open up opportunities for our group in the industry and have tried to reflect credit upon my race and exemplary conduct both on and off screen.

00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:00.880
Okay.

00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:10.800
Hattie felt that she had done the best she could in an unfair system and that her own achievements, including her Oscar win, had actually helped black actors gain more visibility.

00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:17.440
Points the NAACP was willing over was willfully overlooking in her mind.

00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:18.239
Correct.

00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:19.920
I mean, seriously.

00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:21.519
What the fuck?

00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:24.159
Bonnie's like, I should probably get up and go.

00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:26.079
Bonnie, you want to be on camera?

00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:26.880
Not really.

00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:27.760
I just want to go.

00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:30.000
Ma, can you let me out?

00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:31.440
Uh baby.

00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:33.519
You want to be on camera?

00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:34.800
Oh dear.

00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:39.119
Oh, she was on my heat today.

00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:41.280
So it's not on, is it?

00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:41.840
Yeah.

00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:42.719
It's on?

00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:43.119
Yeah.

00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:43.920
Oh, Jesus.

00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:45.679
No wonder she's been there so long.

00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:50.880
She's been just chilling this entire time while we've been recording.

00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:52.800
And she's such a sweetie.

00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:53.599
She's such a sweetie.

00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:54.880
Yeah, she's so pretty too.

00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:56.000
Hi, Bonnie.

00:52:57.039 --> 00:52:59.039
She's like, hey, dude.

00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:01.360
Um, I gotta go potty.

00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:02.800
Do you want to get down?

00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:03.920
Oh no, she doesn't want to get down.

00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:04.880
No, now she doesn't.

00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:05.840
Now that you did this.

00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:08.000
Noma.

00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:08.800
Noma.

00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:10.320
All right, fine.

00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:11.199
Good girl.

00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:12.480
Bye, Bonnie.

00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:15.840
She's silly.

00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:26.400
So a few years later in 1946, White convened a small gathering of black actors to discuss strategy for better film roles and invited Hattie.

00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:28.559
Oh, so convenient.

00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:32.800
But by then her patience had worn out and she refused to attend.

00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:33.920
It has worn thin.

00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:35.840
I have Bonnie hair all over now.

00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:37.599
Well, yeah, no shit.

00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.320
Your whole house has Bonnie hair all over.

00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:40.960
Bonnie.

00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:42.239
Okay, so I've got four cats.

00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:46.480
Bonnie is she sheds worse than all four of them combined.

00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:49.519
Amos is probably runner up.

00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:55.679
Two penny probably Oliver's, you're not going to notice as much because of the orange.

00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:57.599
It's going to blend in with more stuff.

00:53:57.760 --> 00:53:58.000
Yeah.

00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:05.039
But uh obviously Bonnie being more white, Amos being more white, and then Penny has quite a bit of white, even though she's good black and white.

00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.239
Um that's a lot of hair.

00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:12.320
You were telling me how much you had to lint roll your pants.

00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:13.440
Oh, Jesus.

00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:18.000
You think those beers were shaking up before you bought them.

00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:21.760
They've been sitting here for 50 an hour now.

00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:22.719
Um I know.

00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:23.199
Whatever.

00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:23.840
Anyways.

00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:26.320
But yeah, you you have a lot of hair in your house.

00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:30.719
Okay, so Hattie's patients had run out and she refused to attend this meeting.

00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:31.519
Good for her.

00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:34.880
So in a leather, she wrote, quote, in a letter.

00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:43.280
In a letter, she wrote, quote, I cannot accept your invitation to break bread with Walter White, for he has openly insulted my intelligence.

00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:44.239
Good for her.

00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:52.639
She asserted that White knew nothing of her true ability, saying, quote, God has endowed me with other talents and they are not menial, as he has said.

00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:54.079
No, fuck him.

00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:57.360
He he like what was this beef, man?

00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:58.719
I mean, seriously.

00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:03.440
Because she played roles that he thinks shouldn't beneath them.

00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:03.840
Yes.

00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:04.320
Basically.

00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:18.079
So Hattie was deeply hurt by suggestions that she and by extension all dark-skinned plus size characters, actresses, had no place in double A the NAACP's vision of black progress.

00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:24.719
That's that that feels like complete opposite of what they're trying to do.

00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:24.880
Yeah.

00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:25.599
Does it not?

00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:26.159
It does.

00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:29.119
I mean, what the fuck did How about you just give her space?

00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:30.719
Maybe give her a platform.

00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:34.400
I also feel like he doesn't matter what he really needed to change his last name.

00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:41.280
So trying to defend her vo her choices, um, Hattie wrote a 1947 Hollywood reporter op-ed.

00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:44.960
Oh, insisting she would never apologize for her roles.

00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:55.599
She explained that she'd quietly pushed directors to s to drop exaggerated dialect and argued that audiences knew that she was acting.

00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:55.920
Right.

00:55:56.159 --> 00:56:00.639
Hollywood's limited imagination, not her, kept stereotypes alive.

00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:01.920
Of course, 100%.

00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:12.079
So given that most black workers in Hollywood were maids and butlers, she said it was unrealistic to expect her to refuse the only roles available.

00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:13.599
Well, yeah, of course.

00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:19.360
Of course, her stance divided people, and young performers like Lena Horn had different opportunities in terms of the channel.

00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:21.760
Okay.

00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:32.000
And she was being held up as a new image, while Hattie, dark skinned, plus size, and comedic, was unfairly dismissed as a part of the old Hollywood regime, exactly.

00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:39.039
So Lena Horn was lighter skinned, black girl, sin, Hollywood pretty.

00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:42.159
So that's what they were trying to push.

00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:45.119
Sounds like what was White's first name?

00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:46.239
Walter.

00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:48.800
Why is why do I keep thinking of Breaking Bad?

00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:50.239
Isn't it Walter White?

00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:51.199
That sounds right.

00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:54.079
Isn't that his his name on Breaking Bad?

00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:56.639
Maybe that's why I keep fucking thinking about it then.

00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:25.119
So it's like Walter, otherwise known as dick bag, apparently, because he's pushing this, but like it's literally going against what you're try what you're trying to achieve here because you're pushing a lighter fared skin black girl who is skinnier and so on, which I'm not saying they they're not they don't exist, but also Hattie did exist too.

00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:33.760
There's a fucking wide variety, just like we uh white people have a wide variety, black people have a wide variety, Asians have wide variety, it doesn't matter.

00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:40.000
So why are you pushing this but fucking forgetting about I don't know where you came from?

00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:44.559
We'll just call it, which isn't proper, but you know what I mean, right?

00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:45.280
Oh, absolutely.

00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:50.480
It's like she was way more prevalent than this this sorry, what's her name?

00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:52.559
Lena Lena Horn.

00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:53.679
Okay.

00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:55.280
I don't know.

00:57:55.679 --> 00:58:00.559
Just I feel like Walter White was kind of not the right choice.

00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:06.880
So for now that you say Walter White, I instantly think of Breaking Bad now, even though I knew this whole time.

00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:08.239
Yeah, it's breaking bad.

00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:10.159
I have to pee so bad.

00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:14.079
And we're back.

00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:18.079
Blätter is emptied.

00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:19.840
Oh, thank God.

00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:29.039
So, yes, by the mid-1940s, Hattie's film career had slowed, but she pivoted to radio and found some new success.

00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:30.320
Was she singing?

00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:32.719
She was saying, was she really?

00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:33.199
No.

00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:44.719
Oh in 1947, she became the first black um um black woman to headline a national, nope, national radio comedy with the Beulah show.

00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:46.079
With the what?

00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:47.679
The Beulah Show.

00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:50.559
She was a warm, quick-witted maid.

00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:55.039
Okay, and of course, role critic disliked, but audiences loved it.

00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:56.000
Of course they did.

00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:59.920
And it's funny because like critics, am I right?

00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:03.760
So Rotten Tomatoes.

00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:04.239
Yeah.

00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:05.840
Big thing these days.

00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:10.000
A lot of people look to that like, should I go see this movie?

00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:10.559
Right.

00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:11.679
They don't know shit.

00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:12.719
They don't know shit.

00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:24.320
But there's also a uh so there's a critic score or whatever, and then there's also um reviewer score?

00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:26.000
Yeah, whatever, and so on.

00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:28.880
Audience, audience, yeah, whatever.

00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:36.719
And it's funny, like you look at the differences for like okay, critics hated this movie, but why did the fucking audience like it?

00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:38.239
Because the critics are wrong.

00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:38.639
Yeah.

00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:39.840
I'm sorry.

00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:50.480
I I have never went to a movie based off a critic's recommendation or non-recommendation for that matter, because fuck them.

00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:52.000
Yeah, they're not me.

00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:57.920
I won't I love so many movies that people not hate.

00:59:58.800 --> 00:59:59.760
Not people hate it.

01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:02.559
That shouldn't be liked.

01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:02.880
Yeah.

01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:03.760
Is what I'm saying.

01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:04.159
Yeah.

01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:05.119
Because you know what?

01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:05.760
Fuck you.

01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:08.079
I have my own fucking mindset.

01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:09.360
I like this.

01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:12.239
Like, I made you watch Starship Troopers once.

01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:14.400
That movie's stupid.

01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:16.960
But I fucking love that movie.

01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:17.840
It's so good.

01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:22.320
Casper Van Dien, also in Sleepy Hollow, fucking love that guy.

01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:23.519
Because of that movie.

01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:25.119
It's a great fucking movie.

01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:26.800
Is it critically acclaimed?

01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:27.440
Of course not.

01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:29.599
But it's fucking great.

01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:31.039
And should it be?

01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:31.679
No.

01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:32.639
But I love it.

01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:33.599
So it doesn't matter.

01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:35.119
So fuck critics.

01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:41.920
That's why I like Roger uh Ebert and what the fuck were the two guys?

01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:45.039
Roper and Ebert, Robert and Ebert, blah blah blah.

01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:46.559
I'm fucking drawing a mic on that.

01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:48.320
Ebert is one of them.

01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:50.400
I don't even know what you're talking about right now.

01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:50.800
All right.

01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:51.440
Critics.

01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:52.000
Am I right?

01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:54.559
Well no, I I can't help you, is what I'm trying to say.

01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:55.280
No, I know.

01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:57.599
It's one of them died.

01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:00.880
I don't think both of them maybe no.

01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:05.440
Roger, Roger and Ebert is what it was.

01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:07.280
They were critics, movie critics.

01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.920
And they were like, that's what people fucking went to.

01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:12.719
Like, oh, they gave it the thumbs up, let's go see it.

01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:13.840
They gave it the thumbs down.

01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:15.039
We should pass.

01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:16.719
Fuck those guys.

01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:19.280
I mean, were they right sometimes?

01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:19.679
Sure.

01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:20.960
Were they wrong a lot of times?

01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:21.760
Probably.

01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:25.519
My point is make your own fucking decision.

01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:26.559
Absolutely.

01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:34.000
Okay, so in 1947, she became the first black woman to headline in the Beela Show on National Radio.

01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:34.320
Yep.

01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:34.559
Yep.

01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:38.960
Um, her rich voice made the show a hit and it paid better than her film work.

01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:40.079
Did it really?

01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:40.639
Mm-hmm.

01:01:41.039 --> 01:02:00.880
Though the NAACP objected to the continued Mammy stereotype, Hattie argued that starring as a clever, central character was far better than the real world opinions as black domestics faced, and the show created jobs for other black performers.

01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:10.159
I really want to keep going, but yes, Bradley, please, please, please ask your question or state your state your piece.

01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:12.239
You said she made more money.

01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:13.920
How much more did she make?

01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:15.760
That was not part of my research.

01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:18.639
When Beulah moved to TV.

01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:21.840
Oh, it went to TV in 1951.

01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:22.639
Oh shit.

01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:23.119
Okay.

01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:30.639
Hattie filmed several early episodes, becoming one of the first black actresses on American TV.

01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:33.119
What what uh station was it on?

01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:35.440
Bradley Jesus Christ.

01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:37.119
That's my name.

01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:38.480
Sadly.

01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:40.320
Oh dear, did she die?

01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:47.039
Worsening health with diabetes and heart trouble and eventually breast cancer did force her to step down.

01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:48.559
She had the diabetes.

01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:50.159
That's sad.

01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:52.159
As her film breast cancer, too?

01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:53.119
Fucking hell.

01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:59.360
As her film career slowed, Hattie became a key figure in a civil rights fight in Los Angeles.

01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:00.079
Really?

01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:08.239
In the 1940s, she and other black professional moved, professionals moved to the upscale Sugar Hill neighborhood.

01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:09.760
I've heard of Sugar Hill before.

01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:11.119
Why have I heard of that?

01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:11.840
Interesting.

01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:12.159
Okay.

01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:20.320
But it prompted white homeowners to try enforcing racially restrictive covenants to push them out.

01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:21.199
Seriously.

01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:36.320
So in 1945, McDaniel rallied her neighbors, hosted strategy meetings, worked with the local NAACP, and helped hire attorney Lauren Miller to challenge the covenants in court.

01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:36.960
Okay.

01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:51.360
In 1945, the Sugar Hill case went before Judge Thurmond Clark with white homeowners arguing black residents like Hattie should be evicted under old racial covenants.

01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:51.920
No.

01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:59.679
After hearing both sides, Clark personally visited the neighborhood, then returned to court and dismissed the case.

01:03:59.920 --> 01:04:00.719
Good for him.

01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:08.320
He declared that black Americans were entitled to full 14th Amendment rights and that such covenants could not stand.

01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:12.639
Well, yeah, the the whole point was to fucking remove that shit.

01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:16.159
Not fucking keep going backwards, you dumb fucks.

01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:17.599
Jesus Christ.

01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:23.840
He declared, oh, excuse me, his ruling became a landmark early blow against housing segregation.

01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:24.480
Good.

01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:29.760
Paving the way for the Supreme Court's decision in Shelley versus Kramer three years later.

01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:30.320
Okay.

01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:49.119
That was a landmark case that that ruled states state courts cannot constitutionally enforce racially restrictive housing covenants because doing so constitutes state action in violation of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause.

01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:50.000
Fair enough.

01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:50.400
All right.

01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:57.119
So McDaniel was thrilled by the court victory, and the black press celebrated as victory on Sugar Hill.

01:04:57.440 --> 01:04:58.719
Victory on Sugar Hill.

01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:04.880
And by standing with her neighbors and civil rights attorneys, she helped open housing access for countless black families.

01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:05.840
Good for her.

01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:15.039
This little known chapter revealed her courage beyond the screen, shifting her image from a criticized stereotype to a real life advocate for equality.

01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:15.599
Okay.

01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:27.840
As the Los Angeles Tribune noted, she and her community had laid the groundwork for ending residential segregation perfectly matching her belief in being a credit to her race.

01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:29.920
Sorry.

01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:34.880
By early 1950s, Hattie McDaniel's health was failing.

01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:35.599
Okay.

01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:40.480
Well, so early 1950s, she would have been 57 at this time.

01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:42.960
Even in 50, she would have been 57.

01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:44.480
56, 57.

01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:45.360
So okay.

01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:46.400
That's sad.

01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:48.480
Decades of relentless work.

01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:48.960
Yeah.

01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:53.280
The stress of fighting prejudice, perhaps her own personal battles.

01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:54.800
I'm sure she had plenty.

01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:57.360
She went through the four divorce or excuse me, four marriages.

01:05:58.000 --> 01:05:59.679
Three divorces and a death.

01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:02.239
And she had taken a physical toll.

01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:03.360
Lost her brother.

01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:03.760
Yep.

01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:04.320
Yes.

01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:10.400
In 1950, she endured a deeply disappointing episode.

01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:11.440
Oh dear.

01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:14.559
She suffered a false pregnancy.

01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:15.599
Oh.

01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:16.719
Yeah.

01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:18.800
I knew that was a thing.

01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:21.840
But it's it, I think it's pretty rare.

01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:22.400
Yeah.

01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:26.000
It's a condition that mimics pregnancy symptoms.

01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:26.880
Sure.

01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:34.400
And she had to believe that she was finally going to have a baby at 57 years old, only to learn that it was a medical delusion.

01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:38.800
But also it probably would not have been a good thing.

01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:41.840
But she it left her emotionally drained.

01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:42.719
Sure.

01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:43.599
I mean.

01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:48.880
My so Vespers plus three.

01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:54.079
Um Sarah had her at 39.

01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:58.719
That was a fucking miracle.

01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:00.000
So at 57.

01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:02.480
Oh, Sarah was 39.

01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:04.320
I'm gonna say that's right.

01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:04.960
Yeah.

01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:08.480
Because I think so.

01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:10.000
Right?

01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:10.960
Yes.

01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:12.000
Let's go with that.

01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:22.320
So in 1952, her illnesses intensified, and she was admitted to the Motion Picture Country Home, a retirement sanitarium for film industry people.

01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:23.840
That doesn't sound great.

01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:24.639
It doesn't.

01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:28.320
She was the first black performer ever accepted there.

01:07:28.639 --> 01:07:30.800
And see, she's fucking breaking grounds.

01:07:31.039 --> 01:07:31.920
She's breaking ground stuff.

01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:33.519
Look at her fucking go.

01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:34.960
I love Hattie.

01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:39.280
She updated her will to specify how she wanted to be laid to rest.

01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:40.000
Oh, okay.

01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:40.719
How was that?

01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:44.159
In an era where even cemeteries were segregated.

01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:45.280
Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:52.079
McDaniel's last wish was to be buried at Hollywood Memorial Cemetery, now known as Hollywood Forever.

01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:53.599
Hollywood Forever, okay.

01:07:53.840 --> 01:08:02.320
Knowing the prejudices, um, Hattie pragmatically named a second choice because she is a smart woman.

01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:04.880
Because she's like, I want this.

01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:06.000
I know how the world is.

01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:06.719
But this is okay.

01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:08.400
I know how the world is.

01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:11.440
Let's go with this as a backup just in case.

01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:11.840
Okay.

01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:17.600
So her second choice was Rosedale Cemetery, which is known to accept black burials.

01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:18.079
Oh.

01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:25.199
In October 26, 1952, Hattie McDaniel passed away from breast cancer at age 59.

01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:26.239
Damn.

01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:29.359
As she predicted, I know it really was.

01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:35.199
As she predicted, Hollywood Memorial Cemetery denied the burial because of her race.

01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:36.720
Good fucking God.

01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:53.840
Instead, thousands of mourners, some 3,000 people, gathered to honor her at a funeral chapel, and a long line of 125 limousines escorted Hattie to the Rosedale Cemetery where she was laid to rest.

01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:54.880
So that was her second choice.

01:08:55.199 --> 01:08:59.279
Good on her for having that backup because unfortunately she knew better.

01:08:59.920 --> 01:09:04.560
God, is that fucking irritating that she had to go to her second?

01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:14.880
But at least, you know, she was she had the for the wherewithal, the for the forethought, everything to be like, I want this, but probably not gonna happen.

01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:16.880
I know better, yeah, unfortunately.

01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:27.680
So this was one of the largest funerals LA had seen, and it was attended by celebrities and NAACP representatives and ordinary fans.

01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:28.399
Yeah, right.

01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:35.199
And true to her generous nature, Hattie's will left most of her modest estate to charity and family.

01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:36.399
Oh, good for her.

01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:48.159
Famously, famously, she bequeathed her Oscar Award to Howard University in Washington, D.C., which was a historically black university.

01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:48.720
Okay.

01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:53.279
She likely hoped that the plaque would inspire young black students in the arts.

01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:54.159
That's awesome.

01:09:54.399 --> 01:10:07.039
Howard University um proudly displayed the Oscar in a glass case in his drama department for many years until the late 1960s when the award mysteriously went missing.

01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:08.079
Seriously?

01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:08.640
Yeah.

01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:10.319
Someone stole it?

01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:11.600
I don't know.

01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:14.239
I don't it has never been found.

01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:15.840
That is so sad.

01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:20.560
Some say it was stolen as an act of protest against Gone with the Wind.

01:10:20.720 --> 01:10:28.000
Others believe it was just simply misplaced due to renovations, but it has never been found.

01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:30.159
It sounds like someone stole it.

01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:31.439
Don't you agree?

01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:36.239
I'm not saying, I'm not saying because of Gone with the Wind.

01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:38.560
It sounds like someone stole it, though.

01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:39.760
In my opinion.

01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:41.119
You don't have to agree.

01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:42.880
My opinion, someone stole that.

01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:48.319
So in the immediate aftermath of her death, she did not receive formal honors from the film industry.

01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:49.119
Of course not.

01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:52.159
The 1950s were still a segregated area.

01:10:52.640 --> 01:10:56.880
It rescues me in Hollywood moved on, often overlooking its black pioneers.

01:10:57.039 --> 01:10:57.199
Yeah.

01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:03.600
And over the decades, appreciation for um Hattie's barrier-breaking achievements steadily grew.

01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:04.079
Okay.

01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:16.880
And in 1969, when singer-actress Diana Ross played a character loosely inspired by Hattie in the movie Lady Sings the Blues, it sparked renewed interest in Hattie's real story.

01:11:17.119 --> 01:11:17.760
Oh, nice.

01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:23.840
By the 1970s, the contributions of early black film stars were being reassessed.

01:11:24.079 --> 01:11:24.399
Nice.

01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:33.600
In 1975, Hattie McDaniel was inducted into the Black Filmmaker's Hall of Fame, enshrining her among the greats of black cinema.

01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:34.239
Nice.

01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:37.760
The city of Los Angeles finally acknowledged her as well.

01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:47.119
A decade earlier, the once all-white Hollywood Cemetery that had rejected Hattie opened its gates to all races.

01:11:47.439 --> 01:11:50.000
So did they exhume her and rebury her?

01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:50.800
I don't think so.

01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:51.439
Okay, good.

01:11:51.760 --> 01:12:01.199
In 1999, on the 47th anniversary of Hattie's death, Hollywood Forever Cemetery, which is yeah, which is the same place.

01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:02.399
Yep, yep, yep, yep.

01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:11.199
Um, installed a large monument and honor a memorial stone in Hattie Bank Daniel's name on a serene lawn overlooking the lake.

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Etched in the marble is Hattie's image and the inscription, beloved lady, a great talent.

01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:18.880
That's awesome.

01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:25.119
Hattie was not one but two star, not has not one but two stars on the Hollywood block of stores.

01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:26.479
I was just gonna ask that.

01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:27.279
That's awesome.

01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:30.800
One for one for film and one for her radio work.

01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:31.439
Really?

01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:32.800
Oh, that's so cool.

01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:34.800
In 2006, the U.S.

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Postal Service honored her with a commemorative postage stamp.

01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:43.760
Did they really making her the first black Oscar winner ever featured on a U.S.

01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:44.159
stamp?

01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:45.119
Oh, that's so cool.

01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:45.920
Could you imagine?

01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:47.359
Like, let's go find that stamp.

01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:48.000
I know, right?

01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:49.199
That'd be cool as fuck.

01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:58.800
Modern black actors and filmmakers frequently frequently cite Hattie as a source of inspiration, acknowledging acknowledging the doors that she had opened.

01:12:59.039 --> 01:13:00.079
How can you not?

01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:02.399
She she was a fucking pioneer.

01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:03.199
Seriously.

01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:16.560
At the 2010 Academy Awards, 70 years after Hattie's win, Monique became the first black woman since McDaniel to win an Oscar for Best Supporting Actress.

01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:21.520
And she paid homage to um by wearing white gardenias in her hair.

01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:22.880
Because that was her thing.

01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:23.279
Yep.

01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:34.960
Just as Hattie had done in 1940, and she thanked Hattie McDaniel in her acceptance speech for quote, for enduring all she had to, so I would not have to, end quote.

01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:45.119
Well, yeah, she fucking she was a fucking pioneer for the the black actresses of the world and just actors in general.

01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:46.880
I mean, good on her.

01:13:47.039 --> 01:14:01.199
She was I kind of wanna well I'm sorry if if you don't know off the top of your head that don't have to look back, but what was the movie after that where she was like wrongly accused, or whatever you said?

01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:04.319
Um that oh uh she was more of a leader.

01:14:04.640 --> 01:14:06.880
She was the mother of a law student.

01:14:07.199 --> 01:14:08.159
That's what it was.

01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:12.239
What was I kind of want to watch that now?

01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:16.399
I want to watch that and I want to watch Gone with the Wind.

01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:21.680
Well, I do own it, so In This Our Life, 1942.

01:14:23.680 --> 01:14:26.239
I kind of want to watch that just to check it out.

01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:28.239
Um, I'm kidding I'm very curious.

01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:30.239
I've never seen it before.

01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:35.760
Um I would love to watch Gone with the Wind with you because we've never watched it together.

01:14:36.159 --> 01:14:40.079
Um and it's been a long, it's been a long fucking time.

01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:40.720
Me too.

01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:42.960
I couldn't even tell you about it really.

01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:46.000
Except for Drapes.

01:14:46.319 --> 01:14:48.960
It's set in Georgia named Tara.

01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:51.680
It's Clark Abel.

01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:53.439
And Vivian Lee.

01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:59.600
I'm pretty I don't know why I'm second guessing myself.

01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:02.640
I'm pretty sure I own it, but no, I'm second guessing myself.

01:15:03.359 --> 01:15:05.520
Well, what do you think about Hattie McDaniel?

01:15:05.840 --> 01:15:06.560
Fucking awesome.

01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:07.199
Good on her.

01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:07.600
No.

01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:19.760
She's a fucking pioneer, and she should be celebrated every fucking Oscar year because if it wasn't for her, she she paved the way for a lot of good fucking people.

01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:26.800
I remember when Halle Berry won Best Actress for I think it was Monster's Ball.

01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:28.720
I think that sounds right.

01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:32.720
Yeah, that was I just think of Halle Berry and I'm like, yep.

01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:34.880
She's so hot.

01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:37.840
Halle Berry.

01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:38.800
Am I right?

01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:43.199
Um I th the Monsters Balls does sound right.

01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:44.720
That sounds correct.

01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:52.960
What did Whoopy do we determine that Whoopi won it for Ghost or for I want to say she she did.

01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:54.239
Um, let me look.

01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:56.399
Because that would make the most sense to me.

01:15:56.560 --> 01:16:02.159
I obviously again, I am not a fucking connoisseur.

01:16:02.479 --> 01:16:03.920
No, that's not the right word.

01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:14.159
I am not a fucking encyclopedia in terms of Oscar wins, but that that's the one I would pick if I had to.

01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:16.640
I love the clicking sounds.

01:16:16.720 --> 01:16:22.640
It's fucking it's just not a for whatever reason, it's just not easy to to find.

01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:24.159
I I get it.

01:16:27.039 --> 01:16:28.720
I can trim this up.

01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:36.159
So um while she's doing this, oh I got a random kit here in my koozie.

01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:40.720
Um, good on you.

01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:43.119
Uh I am currently having a second.

01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:43.760
Okay.

01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:46.239
Uh Whoopi Goldberg.

01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:47.520
Oh, I wasn't talking, but alright.

01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:53.279
Whoopi Goldberg won for Oda May Brown and Ghost in 1990.

01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:54.479
So I was right.

01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:55.199
Mm-hmm.

01:16:55.760 --> 01:16:56.079
God.

01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:58.640
Patrick Swayze, am I right?

01:16:59.840 --> 01:17:05.279
And that was for best supporting actress.

01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:06.239
Yeah, correct.

01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:14.399
Yeah, because she wasn't Demi Moore was the actress, so certainly wasn't that she was supporting.

01:17:16.319 --> 01:17:18.000
Now what are we looking at?

01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:20.479
Alright, I'm gonna get back to my surly.

01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:21.600
Delicious.

01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:30.560
Um I think I want to say their Furious IPA, which is their base, not I don't want to say basic, but it was delicious.

01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:34.079
This mosh bit hazy, fucking good.

01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:35.119
So good, good choice.

01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:36.319
Good, I'm glad.

01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:36.800
Yeah.

01:17:37.920 --> 01:17:41.359
Kate, we were went to go look for podcast beers.

01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:44.000
Kate's like, I think I found yours.

01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:47.840
And it was the surliest furious, so I'm like, sounds good.

01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:50.800
And I did not tell her that I've had that before.

01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:57.119
No, so I'm like, why don't we get this one for me, which was the variety pack?

01:17:57.279 --> 01:18:02.079
It has four different flavors, which I've had on this episode.

01:18:02.319 --> 01:18:08.640
Um and they're all IPAs, so I love it, but it's great.

01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:12.000
How are your modello frescoes?

01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:13.199
So good always.

01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:14.640
I know you really like them.

01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:16.079
I was super excited.

01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:19.600
I still remember my mother-in-law.

01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:21.600
I saw these, these look really good.

01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:23.039
Do you want me to go get some?

01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:24.880
Would you have some with me if I did?

01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:26.000
She's like, okay.

01:18:26.239 --> 01:18:30.399
So I did, and I'm like, Kate's really gonna like these, so that's why we did those on those episodes.

01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:33.279
That was like a fucking year plus ago or whatever it was.

01:18:33.680 --> 01:18:38.319
And so she was undetermined on what she wanted.

01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:40.319
Okay, she wants no, you.

01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:43.039
Oh, yes, you're saying, okay.

01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:49.039
Um you were undetermined on what you wanted, you didn't want anything heavy, so I'm like, these aren't bad.

01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:50.159
So let's go with these again.

01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:53.039
You haven't had these in a while, so good choice.

01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:55.039
So Yeah.

01:18:56.079 --> 01:18:57.439
Halle Berry.

01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:05.119
No, yes, Halle Berry won for best leading role in 2001.

01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:06.720
For Monster's Ball?

01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:07.199
Mm-hmm.

01:19:07.359 --> 01:19:08.000
Yeah.

01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:14.560
And then Okay, so first was Hattie, then was Whoopi Goldberg.

01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:19.439
Whoopi Goldberg did it for Oda Mae Brown and Ghost as supporting actress in 1990.

01:19:19.680 --> 01:19:21.520
So it was 50 years later.

01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:23.600
Is that not insane?

01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:24.880
It's sad.

01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:27.840
And then so that was 2001 that Hallie won.

01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:29.199
Yep, so 11 years later.

01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:33.600
And then Jennifer Hudson for Best Supporting won in 2006.

01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:36.079
For the For Dream Girls.

01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:36.560
Thank you.

01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:37.199
There it is.

01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:40.239
And then Monique in 2009.

01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:46.239
Otherwise, and then and then Octavia Spencer from The Help in 2011.

01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:47.439
She was so good.

01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:49.199
I still have not seen that movie.

01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:51.039
Uh that's so good.

01:19:52.079 --> 01:19:53.520
I'm sorry though.

01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:57.199
Lost respect for Jennifer Hudson because she goes by J.

01:19:57.359 --> 01:19:57.840
Hood.

01:19:58.640 --> 01:19:59.760
I hope I'm hoping it's just.

01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:02.479
Her show that she goes by J-Hud and not in real life.

01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:03.359
I don't know.

01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:06.479
Either way, that that was fucking irritating.

01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:07.680
Anyway.

01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:09.680
Welp.

01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:11.199
I suppose.

01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:13.840
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