July 14, 2025

Slabalanche: Dyatlov Pass Incident Part 3

Slabalanche: Dyatlov Pass Incident Part 3

The mystery of Dyatlov Pass has haunted us for over 60 years, presenting one of history's most perplexing unsolved cases. Nine experienced hikers from the Ural Polytechnic Institute ventured into Russia's Ural Mountains in 1959, only to be found dead under circumstances so bizarre they've spawned 72 different theories. We're diving deep into the most compelling explanations for this tragedy in our third episode of this series. What could have driven these skilled outdoors people to cut...

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The mystery of Dyatlov Pass has haunted us for over 60 years, presenting one of history's most perplexing unsolved cases. Nine experienced hikers from the Ural Polytechnic Institute ventured into Russia's Ural Mountains in 1959, only to be found dead under circumstances so bizarre they've spawned 72 different theories. 

We're diving deep into the most compelling explanations for this tragedy in our third episode of this series. What could have driven these skilled outdoors people to cut their way out of their tent and rush into subzero temperatures with minimal clothing? Why did some victims show catastrophic internal injuries with no external trauma, while others simply froze to death? And what explains the trace radiation found on some of their clothing?

From the plausible to the paranormal, we explore it all. Could it have been a rare slab avalanche that left minimal trace? Did infrasound waves create an overwhelming sense of terror? Was there a Soviet weapons test gone wrong that officials desperately covered up? Or do the answers lie in more outlandish theories involving cryptids or extraterrestrials?

The evidence presents contradictions at every turn - burned treetops but upright ski poles, a tent partially buried yet with items inside undisturbed, and injuries that forensic experts still struggle to explain decades later. Modern investigations using sophisticated simulation software have attempted to solve the case, but each explanation seems to leave crucial questions unanswered.

Join us as we sift through the facts, debate the theories, and try to understand what really happened on that cold February night. Whether you believe in natural phenomena, government conspiracies, or something more supernatural, the story of Dyatlov Pass forces us to confront how much remains unknown in our world.

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00:00 - Introduction to History Buffoons

16:08 - Recap of the Dyatlov Pass Incident

46:20 - Frame 34 and Alien Theory

59:05 - KGB Espionage Theory

01:19:39 - Soviet Weapons Testing Theory

01:30:47 - Yeti Attack Theory

01:42:26 - Katabatic Winds Theory

01:45:52 - Infrasound Induced Panic Theory

01:55:19 - Avalanche Theories: Slab vs. Classic

01:56:00 - Concluding Thoughts and Final Theories

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How are you?

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How are you?

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Yes, we are, I am Bradley.

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I am Kate.

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Why are we talking like?

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robots.

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Good, we are the History Buffoons.

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I am Bradley.

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I am Kate.

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Why are we talking like robots all of a sudden?

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Because you started it.

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Maybe because AI has taken over.

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Are you AI now?

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I'd be a lot smarter if I was yeah, you would.

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That's what AI would say.

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Oh hey, this is Audra, oh, Audra.

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That Audra, audra, that's what I would say.

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That's so true, but alas, I am still a buffoon.

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So welcome to History, buffoons.

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This is our part.

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Three Plus Maybe.

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Question mark we don't know, we'll see how far this goes.

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So we are doing now.

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Our last two episodes were the Dyatlov Dyatlov, however you want to say it, Past incident.

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The story and the facts.

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The facts and whatnot, and now we're going to get into the weird wild theories that people have come up with as to why they all died.

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Yes, right, yes, got that right.

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Mm-hmm, they all died.

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Yes, right, yes, got that right.

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So if you have not listened to the first two episodes, what were they called textbook?

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wow, we almost said that all in unison.

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That was pretty good and tale of the nine year ease yes, that, and thank you for that title that was from you.

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You're so welcome.

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Yes, uh so if you have not um listened to the first two episodes, go back and listen, because there's a lot of information.

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I know, being a person who didn't know much about this story, I certainly learned a lot.

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Yeah.

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And have a lot of questions as to what the fuck happened, of course.

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But yeah, a lot of information, a lot of shit, a lot of speculation, but we'll get into that now More in deep with that now and our friend Audra is back again.

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We don't need to sing Shady again.

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We did that on the last episode.

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We did.

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Well, now I'm going to.

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Oops, I just touched the camera with my foot.

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Could you not do that?

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I'd appreciate that.

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Okay, so quick recap.

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Yeah, we're in 1959.

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Sure are.

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Nine experienced hikers from the Ural Polytechnic Institute went through the Ural Mountains, yep, and they did not turn up where they were supposed to.

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And it turns out they were found all dead, some by hyperthermia, some by unknown circumstances.

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Yes and uh, we're gonna kind of get into the theories of what the heck happened so I know you know a lot of the theories.

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Um, obviously you've researched a lot of the theories.

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I don't know pretty much any of the theories except for one, which is every theory for everything.

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But, um, is there like more popular theories that you have that you're going to go through, or are you just going to kind of because you said there's like 72 of them?

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Yeah, we're going to go through like eight of them.

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Yes, right so are these like the eight most popular theories so so at least four of them are popular.

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Two of them are super out there, but we're going to talk about all of them because they're all interesting.

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Well, they better be.

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Why would we talk about?

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them.

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I do have a question for you both first, okay, and I also have an answer, if you want to know my opinion.

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She does have an answer, I do.

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But so's yeah, because you are fairly new to this case, what facts about the case kind of have stood out for you as like being interesting to you?

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Well, I mean, same question for you, so you think about it.

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I'm on the spot, you get time.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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Guys are just so polite to me.

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I don't the spot you get time.

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Thank you, you're welcome.

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You guys are just so polite to me.

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I don't know why.

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I don't know why.

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I think one of the biggest things is the tent being supposedly cut from the inside, obviously because they were in a hurry to get out.

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Avalanches will do that to you, I don't know.

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Inches will do that to you, but um, uh, I don't know.

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It's just the fact that they were so often where they were supposed to be as well is kind of interesting because of that like they weren't near their tent they weren't near their tent.

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They weren't even their tent wasn't where it was really supposed to be yeah and in the beginning they uh altered their shit quite a bit.

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I guess is what I'm saying yeah um, so those kind of stand out to me just because, like, if they're so experienced, why was that such a I don't know a thing for them?

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Yeah, but then, of course, why were they so far and so on?

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And why did some people have socks on and some people didn't?

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I mean because you're curious, because like, obviously they had to leave in a hurry, and just the why.

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Why, I guess.

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So?

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yeah, I don't know the inside, the cutting from inside the tent is the big one, yeah, so what about you?

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thank you so much for this question without going into theories, yeah, so not to go into theories, but I I think what really grabbed my attention about this when I first heard about it was one the astronomical number of fucking theories.

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Yeah, that's insane.

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72 is a lot.

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Yeah.

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Two, the background that everyone brought to the table I find super interesting because, as I said earlier, I nerd out on these fucking theories like all 72 of them, so I'll spare you guys, but um you did mention you possibly might bring up four other ones.

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I might.

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So yeah, and that's fine, we encourage it.

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I just for a disclosure.

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I showed Audra all the theories that I had because she knows the story really well, but Bradley doesn't know what the theories are.

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I know the one because it's everyone's theory.

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It's the same as the pyramid, Anyway.

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So let's continue.

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Sorry to interrupt.

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I think the background of all nine of them is important all 10 of them, really but, um, the other part that like really grabs my attention, like keeps me coming back to learn more and more about it and consume more information, is really just the injuries to the bodies.

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Yeah, um, it's so like variable um between them, like what the injuries were, that it's almost like they all could have lived a different fucking theory.

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Yeah yeah, like all of them could have died a different, different way, just based on such variation in the injuries.

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Right, that's what draws me back is the injuries to the bodies.

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Yeah, yeah, oh sure.

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And their clothing.

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Some of them were burnt.

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Some of them were not.

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Some of them were just randomly ripped with little cuffs here and there.

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It's just kind of odd.

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Well, that one that had the whole left or right sleeve or side or whatever ripped off that was the one that accidentally became a vest.

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Yes, that's right.

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Yes, correct yeah, all of a sudden it's a little little uh too warm here.

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I need a vest.

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All of a sudden not so much so okay, so let's go ahead and get into the theories theory one so I'm gonna first talk about frame number 34 okay is this the sasquatch one?

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no, or the yeti?

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okay, so this is um so frame number 34 has like a bunch of bunch of like light blurbs.

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Yeah in it, blurbs, blurs, blurbs, blurb is on the back of a book sure, yep, yes so um frame, number 34, comes from krivonishenko's camera, and this one was left inside the tent right um, but it was left with the shutter cocked as in it was ready to take a photo.

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So this is 1959.

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Right?

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So when a camera shutter is cocked, it means that the camera is primed and ready to go.

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Yeah, older films need you to manually wind the film after every shot.

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Yep, and the winding did two things.

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It advanced the film to the next frame.

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Right, the winding did two things it advanced the film to the next frame Right and it cocked the shutter, basically spring-loading the mechanism so it could open and close, aka taking the picture.

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Yeah, okay, it's unusual because experienced photographers did not do this because it could waste film.

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Okay, so it was suggested that he might have been wanting to capture something quickly.

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Right.

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So his was the only camera in the tent found, like this Surprised he didn't find Igor's camera with a bunch of feet pictures.

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No.

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Can you imagine that dark room?

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Just like feet?

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Jesus.

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Igor was ahead of his time.

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People sell pictures of their feet these days millions in there.

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It's weird so one theory is that kravana shenko was acting as like a lookout or a decoy, ready to snap a photo of whatever might be happening or anticipating something.

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Um, so it suggests that some of the members of the group were expecting to see something happen on that slope.

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So Krivonishenko's frame, number 34, it's a blurred, grainy image, mostly dark.

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A vague, bright, streaking shape or blurry light is kind of in the center-right portion, center-right portion, center-right.

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It was possibly taken at night or in low light.

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Um, there is no clear subject.

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It's pretty abstract, ambiguous kind of creepy.

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A van gogh painting a little bit or something weird like that only black and white.

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Yeah, exactly so um, the numbers on film rolls aren't exactly linear or like one after the other, so sometimes when you wind the film or reload improperly, the numbering can skip, repeat or have double exposure sure um multiple cameras that were found at least four of them and their roles weren't always clearly categorized um during the investigation.

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So frame number 34 might be kind of the grand finale, or it might have been the camera's version of like a butt dial, yeah, and it could have happened in the middle of the the frames or it could have been the very first one yeah, exactly right so what's weird?

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I did not go into additional research on this, but um, the dietlovepasscom calls it the last frame and they talk about it um being part of a theory which I'll get to.

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But also they label this picture as quote this is a technological shot made in the photo lab before the film was taken out of the camera end quote.

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What does that mean?

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it means, while the shutter was cocked, someone in the photo lab that was that was going through all the um accidentally took the picture accidentally took the picture, gotcha.

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So on the website, I think I mentioned it to you last time that the website kind of has some opposing yeah theories on the same topic, conflicting stuff.

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Yeah, right, so this photo is one of them.

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Yeah, so on one page it'll say this is from kravana shanko.

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He took it on the slope, and then when you pull the picture up, the title of the photo says it was taken by a lab technician.

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Yeah, oh, yeah.

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So okay, weird.

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So it might not be literally anything.

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It could be the inside of a lab yes like with weird lighting, could be interesting okay, theory number one oh, okay, yeah, aliens see you knew it was coming that's why I brought up frame number 34 because, is it?

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aliens, or is it a lab technician?

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or is the lab technician an alien?

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I mean, oh siri 1.5 or theory number 74 73 so I find the whole alien theory just fucking stupid for everything, because it's just such an easy cop out like where did the people from Roanoke go, aliens?

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no, they fucking didn't that's a theory, though which is so dumb that's not where they went no, not at all.

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It's not like hey man, we need some people to butt probe, I know that hurts.

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That hurts me leave roanoke alone.

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But that's that's my point.

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It's so stupid.

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Yeah, it's like no, let's just all jump to fucking aliens.

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Like man, I lost my phone.

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Aliens took it.

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Yeah, hands down, it had to be.

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Yeah.

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There's no other explanation, absolutely other than I just forgot where I put it.

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Yeah, because that can't happen.

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So the reason why this has a little bit of clout to some people it has no clout at all to some people well, they're idiots oh, there were reported sightings of balls of light in the northern urals they're called stars throughout february 1959.

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Okay, okay, hold on.

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Multiple witnesses, including members of the official search team, later described seeing a bright fireball moving in the night sky around the time that the hikers died.

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One searcher recalled a sphere similar to a moon, but much larger, floating and then moving away.

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It's called the sun the idea that the hiker saw something like a glowing orb descending upon them, perhaps even hovering near them, could have let made them flee the in terror.

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How would they have seen it if they're in the tent and didn't have windows?

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You know, it was so bright, so bright.

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Somebody's got a spotlight on us.

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I can argue anything so.

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Okay, so here are some of the witnesses we have.

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Lev Ivanov he is the lead investigator.

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Yeah, in 1990 he publicly claimed that sightings of bright flying spheres were reported in the region at the time.

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Why did it take him 31 years to say that?

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I don't know if it was 31 years or if we just documented it 31 years later.

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Seems like.

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He did originally omit this from his 1959 report, see.

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He later believed that this could be linked to the hikers' deaths.

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Okay, let me ask the question then how did he think that would be linked to their death then?

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Or is he just saying that to seem cool?

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Because there has to be a reason why he thinks that, then right.

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Well, we don't know what aliens are capable of.

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That's not what I asked.

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What does he think that was a part of it for?

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I don't know, that wasn't part of my research.

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I'm just saying he was a.

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Do you understand what I'm asking?

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Yeah, because I feel, like man, the sun was at this certain degree today.

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It must, like man, the sun was at this certain degree today, must be a part of something.

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I mean just we could say anything like that, so like what was his rationale?

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That it could have been part of their death.

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He thought that um the oars might have been military weapons, but he also thought maybe it could be something more paranormal okay are aliens paranormal I mean, look at how long it took the US government to be like, hey, aliens.

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Yeah.

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They're out there.

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Well, so here's the thing with me and aliens.

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I believe there's something else out there.

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I don't know if it's little green men, like we always portray them as God.

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I hope so.

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That would be kind of cool with the big fucking like almond eyes and shit.

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Um, the my point is this the, the galaxies, and there's so many galaxies and it's the universe is vast, so vast that we can't comprehend it.

00:16:39.621 --> 00:16:50.503
There's no way that we're the only people in this existence, in my opinion, but just to be like blame everything on aliens.

00:16:50.503 --> 00:16:50.903
Stupid.

00:16:51.203 --> 00:16:58.835
When you're saying stuff like that, it makes me think that, yes, there could be other people out there, but they're still alien to us.

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I'm not okay.

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You're looking into the term way too specific.

00:17:04.423 --> 00:17:05.964
I'm just saying something out there.

00:17:05.964 --> 00:17:08.428
Could have done this, but it's alien in nature.

00:17:08.608 --> 00:17:10.451
I understand what alien means.

00:17:10.451 --> 00:17:15.321
I'm not saying like little green men specifically, and they're all aliens.

00:17:15.321 --> 00:17:19.068
If another human came from another planet that looked exactly like us, they would be an alien.

00:17:19.068 --> 00:17:19.931
I understand that.

00:17:19.931 --> 00:17:21.153
That's not what I'm saying.

00:17:22.741 --> 00:17:24.667
I just really hope they're little green men.

00:17:26.060 --> 00:17:28.962
Honestly, I kind of like gray, like Paul.

00:17:28.962 --> 00:17:31.365
Okay let me move on to other witnesses.

00:17:31.806 --> 00:17:32.948
Like a long time ago.

00:17:32.948 --> 00:17:34.509
It's good you should re-watch it.

00:17:34.669 --> 00:17:38.633
I love Simon Pegg and Nick Frost, though they're pretty great Seth Rogen.

00:17:39.094 --> 00:17:40.355
It's a great movie.

00:17:40.875 --> 00:17:41.596
It is, I enjoy it.

00:17:43.221 --> 00:17:43.583
Jason Bateman.

00:17:43.583 --> 00:17:44.547
Okay movie it is.

00:17:44.567 --> 00:17:49.703
I enjoy it, jason bateman okay so sigourney weaver, okay, not mike myers additional witnesses.

00:17:50.345 --> 00:18:07.990
So let's get through this alien bullshit so we can move on to something else that bradley might think what is happening yeah, because this is students and teachers in ivedell, a group of school children and teachers from a nearby village reportedly seen glowing lights in the sky on the night of February 1st and 2nd in 1959.

00:18:07.990 --> 00:18:16.145
Same night as when the hikers died yeah, and described them as orange spheres or fireballs flying across the sky Could there have been meteors.

00:18:16.145 --> 00:18:18.928
They were slow moving and eerily quiet.

00:18:18.928 --> 00:18:20.191
Oh then, probably not.

00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:23.102
You wouldn't hear meteors on Earth if they're in space.

00:18:23.603 --> 00:18:28.907
Well, you do have a point there, but it's not going to be slow moving.

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No, that's true.

00:18:31.390 --> 00:18:33.151
We also have the Manse tribespeople.

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Those indigenous to the area reported seeing strange lights in the sky around that time, though specifics are fairly vague from them.

00:18:46.723 --> 00:18:48.388
They have described them as glowing orbs or bright streaks.

00:18:48.388 --> 00:18:48.891
Um, and they were often.

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The mansi.

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Stories were often dismissed at the time due to, like soviet prejudice against the indigenous peoples next we have allegedly soviet military pilots.

00:19:02.468 --> 00:19:14.778
Yeah, immediately sketchy, there were unconfirmed reports that Soviet pilots flying over their urals during late January early February spotted aerial lights or flares.

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These reports were never officially acknowledged, but some researchers claim to have seen declassified or secondhand testimony about it.

00:19:23.134 --> 00:19:23.954
Okay.

00:19:24.961 --> 00:19:29.332
Next we have um gregory at maniky.

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He is a search party member okay he recalled that rumors of light sightings were circulating even amongst the searchers early on.

00:19:38.184 --> 00:19:51.279
Some investigators and volunteers throughout the case might have involved more than just a hiking incident, based on these local accounts Gotcha.

00:19:51.279 --> 00:20:02.809
So some who favor this theory speculate that a UFO might have emitted a burst of energy or light that injured the hikers Because there were internal injuries.

00:20:02.809 --> 00:20:06.435
Maybe the aliens' propulsion systems messed them up.

00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:08.480
Maybe, they.

00:20:08.500 --> 00:20:10.861
I can feel heat coming from over here.

00:20:10.861 --> 00:20:12.748
The seething.

00:20:13.643 --> 00:20:15.565
Maybe their anal probes went a little too deep.

00:20:15.705 --> 00:20:20.380
It could be like right up into their heart and broke their ribs on just one side.

00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:23.984
Exactly Like it got off track and broke all rib 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.

00:20:23.984 --> 00:20:25.449
Okay, so one detail and 6.

00:20:25.489 --> 00:20:27.073
Yeah, Okay, so one detail.

00:20:28.519 --> 00:20:28.821
Jesus Christ.

00:20:28.862 --> 00:20:37.846
One detail is cited Some of the treetops Were burnt, including the cedar tree, the not any.

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Were charred at the very top.

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Fire will do that.

00:20:43.441 --> 00:20:44.924
But from the ground?

00:20:44.924 --> 00:20:47.351
How could it not go all the way up?

00:20:47.371 --> 00:20:51.191
it was just the top what if an ember like floated off and landed on the tree?

00:20:51.251 --> 00:21:04.352
maybe so I mean I'm just giving theories here.

00:21:04.372 --> 00:21:06.335
This isn't my theory.

00:21:06.335 --> 00:21:09.818
I didn susceptible to more paranormal.

00:21:09.818 --> 00:21:25.913
I'm gonna say paranormal because it's not normal, so it's paranormal activity than others, right, yeah, so I mean, if there's all these sightings, maybe the urals in this area are like fucking area 51 for all we know.

00:21:26.073 --> 00:21:37.125
Yeah, it could, could be or I mean, you know, the soviets did a lot of shady fucking shit and it could have been just like military experiments and or anything like that.

00:21:37.165 --> 00:21:46.471
That's part of the rebuttal I would also say, of the people that are reporting this right that have no plausible explanation.

00:21:46.471 --> 00:21:52.430
If you're one that favors a different theory, yeah, that's that I'm sure is coming up.

00:21:52.430 --> 00:21:54.493
Um, you know what's?

00:21:54.720 --> 00:22:03.928
what's the classic house fucking aliens yeah then you're off the hook like no one's really like see, and that's why I have a problem with alien theories.

00:22:03.928 --> 00:22:14.289
Yeah, because it's just, it's just like a cop-out, absolutely for like well, we don't have to explain it, we'll just call it aliens, and people will be like exactly, and whatever.

00:22:14.410 --> 00:22:25.232
And that's why I just I get a little, I guess, annoyed I mean, and in this case, right like soviets have this terrible situation.

00:22:25.232 --> 00:22:36.519
That's unexplainable, they're gonna try whatever, yeah to not take ownership of that so it's like you know, blame it on the fucking aliens?

00:22:36.578 --> 00:22:40.576
yeah, because as far as we know they they did this on purpose to these people could be.

00:22:40.857 --> 00:22:52.051
I mean, that could be a theory so between jan, january and February of 1959, there were multiple test launches and engine firings occurring at Baikonur Cosmodrome.

00:22:52.512 --> 00:22:53.273
Cosmodrome.

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Baikonur is a place, so Baikonur to Dyatlov Pass, or the current Dyatlov Pass, is over 1,000 miles away.

00:23:02.339 --> 00:23:04.127
That's quite a distance.

00:23:04.339 --> 00:23:08.384
But rocket stages can travel that far during separation or failure.

00:23:08.384 --> 00:23:29.296
Okay, so several unannounced launches happened in late january and early february, including stage tests of r7s and nuclear capable variants it's a lot of big scientific words um, and they suspected suborbital flights or failed missile drops.

00:23:29.296 --> 00:23:30.657
Okay.

00:23:31.381 --> 00:23:39.048
And that's like the rebuttal of no, it's not aliens, it's this Well, very well, it could have been, and they're not really going to report that shit.

00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:44.592
Also in 1959, there was no UFO alien fever.

00:23:44.592 --> 00:23:46.365
There was nothing like that back then.

00:23:46.766 --> 00:23:51.586
So like when did when did aliens become the scapegoat?

00:23:51.586 --> 00:23:51.865
Though?

00:23:52.106 --> 00:23:57.721
like when ever historically roswell or like what year was that?

00:23:57.721 --> 00:24:00.605
Well, wasn't, didn't, wasn't that in the 40s?

00:24:01.166 --> 00:24:04.353
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know when they were doing all the testing.

00:24:04.472 --> 00:24:05.153
Sam will look it up.

00:24:05.153 --> 00:24:15.505
Yeah, I mean, I thought it was like 50s, maybe 60s at the very latest, but I guess I thought it was in the 40s, but I'm not, I don't know, I'm not sure if that's even right.

00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:18.186
Yeah, now I'm questioning everything, yeah.

00:24:18.780 --> 00:24:19.724
Well, how can you not?

00:24:26.019 --> 00:24:27.105
Okay, okay, maybe aliens are making you question it.

00:24:27.125 --> 00:24:28.551
It could be they're having a outside should I could have been probed.

00:24:28.551 --> 00:24:30.159
And I don't even know should we be wearing tinfoil hats right now.

00:24:30.179 --> 00:24:31.643
I mean it's not a bad idea.

00:24:31.682 --> 00:24:40.972
I usually like to wear an armadillo shell, but it's from a movie anyways you can get leprosy from that, can you really?

00:24:41.414 --> 00:24:46.028
I think, yeah, I'm pretty, I'm pretty confident, armadillo shell from armadillos in general.

00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:47.823
I guess when I get home I'm throwing out my shell.

00:24:50.607 --> 00:24:54.335
Good idea, just saying All right, sam.

00:24:54.760 --> 00:24:59.368
Do you have something for us, so according to Google.

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People first thought the concept of extraterrestrial life actually began in ancient Greece.

00:25:09.221 --> 00:25:14.587
Well, yeah, because I mean that's the theory, with the fucking pyramids too.

00:25:15.403 --> 00:25:16.839
And that's why I mentioned that earlier.

00:25:16.900 --> 00:25:17.221
When did.

00:25:17.221 --> 00:25:18.487
Roswell happen yeah.

00:25:19.580 --> 00:25:28.740
And then I need you to look up if armadillos give you leprosy, Because it came out really fast and I'm confident with that, but now I'm questioning it.

00:25:28.740 --> 00:25:32.167
Well, that's second guess I don't want to have you throw it at your shelf or nothing.

00:25:32.167 --> 00:25:46.179
Modern theory of aliens, particularly involving UFOs and potential extraterrestrial visitors gained significant traction in the United States, starting in the summer of 1947.

00:25:46.981 --> 00:25:48.541
Okay, that's the year I was thinking of.

00:25:48.541 --> 00:25:49.707
Actually it was 47.

00:25:49.767 --> 00:25:52.257
Okay, roswell is in 1947.

00:25:52.317 --> 00:25:54.028
Okay, look at me go.

00:25:54.068 --> 00:25:58.123
She's going to look up armadillos and we're going to move on to Yeti attacks.

00:25:58.123 --> 00:25:58.945
Yeti.

00:25:58.965 --> 00:25:59.307
Mm-hmm.

00:25:59.307 --> 00:26:02.000
Do armadillos do what?

00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:03.363
Give you leprosy?

00:26:03.363 --> 00:26:05.944
Can you get leprosy from an armadillo?

00:26:05.944 --> 00:26:08.567
They can carry and transmit leprosy.

00:26:09.048 --> 00:26:12.853
Fuck yeah, look at you go, I'm not such random shit Throwing Michelle out.

00:26:13.212 --> 00:26:19.655
Because I think these random thoughts and I'm like I gotta fucking Google that this is how ADHD works, guys.

00:26:19.675 --> 00:26:19.900
Oh, trust me.

00:26:19.900 --> 00:26:21.445
And autism, just for the record.

00:26:21.445 --> 00:26:22.429
I'm aware.

00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:28.281
Okay, autism, just for the record, I'm I'm aware.

00:26:28.281 --> 00:26:29.182
Okay, I'm gonna push this along.

00:26:29.182 --> 00:26:33.109
Thank you, yes, yeti, okay, so, um, there's a yeti theory, for multiple reasons.

00:26:33.109 --> 00:26:49.199
One they had they created their own evening newsletter the yetis did the hikers oh yeah extra, extra read all about it, yetis they had a satirical newsletter.

00:26:49.219 --> 00:27:01.299
Yeah, I remember that was brought up you have to admit that was confusing how she said that a little bit one of the lines in the newsletter said, quote from now on, we know that snowmen exist.

00:27:01.601 --> 00:27:02.102
End quote.

00:27:02.102 --> 00:27:25.153
Abominable well, I mean, I would say some shit like that if I was stuck in negative 5 000 degree weather too, so so some have said that some of the footprints that were seen around the area were too large to be human were they aliens, yeti, sorry, we've moved on.

00:27:25.173 --> 00:27:28.461
Stay on that oh yeah stay on, stay on track okay, wait, so I have a.

00:27:28.461 --> 00:27:35.974
I have a question related to this about aliens so I have their newsletters.

00:27:35.974 --> 00:27:38.684
Like are those documented somewhere?

00:27:38.885 --> 00:27:41.211
yes, okay, so those are like evidence.

00:27:41.211 --> 00:27:46.261
Yes, you can see them on dietlovepasscom so these footprints that are really large.

00:27:46.442 --> 00:28:01.703
Yeah, if I'm an indigenous person living out there, I've probably acclimated to traveling in this weather, and I'm thinking snowshoes with bare feet below it, that's if the fancy people were around the campsite.

00:28:02.125 --> 00:28:03.307
True, didn't.

00:28:03.827 --> 00:28:05.811
I don't remember, was it in a war or something?

00:28:05.811 --> 00:28:15.996
People actually, I think it was maybe even World War II or World War I, I don't recall but they would actually wear shoes that had hoof prints underneath.

00:28:15.996 --> 00:28:21.647
Oh wow, Smart so it would cover up their foot tracks, but it looked like just cows were roaming about and shit Smart.

00:28:21.647 --> 00:28:26.259
I think, it was in.

00:28:26.259 --> 00:28:26.699
I want to say two, but I guess I don't recall.

00:28:26.633 --> 00:28:35.548
I feel like I've heard something like that before there's an I Love Lucy and now is it an I Love Lucy, or maybe like one of those other black and white Black and white shows.

00:28:35.548 --> 00:28:41.250
I don't remember exactly what show, but they do it on a sitcom, a really old one, oh really.

00:28:41.250 --> 00:28:43.164
Or they wear those shoes, yeah.

00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:47.363
Maybe it's andy griffith.

00:28:47.363 --> 00:28:47.804
That's what it does.

00:28:47.845 --> 00:29:01.184
That sounds more legit, yeah yeah, well, and it's still black and white, so that tracks, so that works okay, now let's talk about the photographic evidence this is the yeti picture yes I keep asking that, so now I can actually frame number 17.

00:29:02.086 --> 00:29:35.550
It's a picture of a dark humanoid figure lurking behind some trees at dusk I do have it's very grainy um, and of course yeti enthusiasts are like proof that is sasquatch right there see people need to like pump the fucking brakes because it's probably just the hikers in extra winter gear also like if I'm out there with eight close friends, right, we're gonna be joking about random shit.

00:29:35.570 --> 00:29:37.534
Like was that a fucking yeti?

00:29:37.534 --> 00:30:05.377
Oh, I saw it I swear you know like, go stand behind that tree and let me make you look like a yeti because I mean that totally looks like a person, yeah, wearing a fucking hat and like a coat and shit and plus, if it's like snowing and blowing, right right, you could be covered in snow and look like a snowman or a yeti in two minutes flat and I mean he doesn't look like he's covered much in snow.

00:30:05.518 --> 00:30:39.651
But that's also probably because it's a shitty picture that as well, and the focus is clearly on the front of the picture, not the, the humanoid figure so many think that it might be yeti because of the potential like well, the, the missing parts, essentially the missing tongue, the eyes on of some of the victims, um, and then the strength required to crush ribs and skulls without any external cuts I feel like I could crush a rib without being a yeti.

00:30:40.352 --> 00:30:53.282
Yeah, I think so I think you could too I'm a big guy, yeah, and I'm not a fucking yeti I'm not a big guy, but I feel like I could break a rib if I really had to too you know, yeah, so I feel like that's a weak argument.

00:30:53.282 --> 00:30:55.628
Are yetis the like?

00:30:55.628 --> 00:30:59.959
Uh, is that the same thing as a sasquatch?

00:30:59.959 --> 00:31:03.710
Basically yeti, bigfoot sasquatch a bumable version.

00:31:03.710 --> 00:31:07.521
Yeah, yeah, okay, I thought so, I thought that's what that was.

00:31:07.602 --> 00:31:22.325
I think it's like different terms for different regions of the world, um, but I mean if you're in your tent at dark and all of a sudden you hear like yeti groans can you tell me what that sounds like?

00:31:24.769 --> 00:31:25.710
That sounds like a bear.

00:31:26.211 --> 00:31:26.592
It does.

00:31:28.294 --> 00:31:29.115
Maybe it was a bear.

00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:31.326
Wait, the bear fighter dropped out.

00:31:31.366 --> 00:31:35.540
Yeah, that was the Yuri number three, or is?

00:31:35.580 --> 00:31:37.267
there a Yuri there that fought the bear.

00:31:37.267 --> 00:31:38.170
Yeah, he's still there.

00:31:38.170 --> 00:31:39.786
That Yuri's still there.

00:31:40.961 --> 00:31:43.430
If it was a bear, they're fine, you can just fight him.

00:31:44.942 --> 00:31:46.949
If I can fight a bear, I can fight a fucking Yeti.

00:31:48.222 --> 00:31:49.729
They rip open the tent.

00:31:49.729 --> 00:31:56.228
Some of the hikers had boxing wounds on their hands, so maybe they were doing some hand-on-hand combat.

00:32:00.040 --> 00:32:07.133
I'd appreciate it if you stopped doing that, so they also could have been punching a tree for sport, I mean.

00:32:07.433 --> 00:32:07.997
They could have.

00:32:08.377 --> 00:32:11.924
Yeah, we don't know they could have been punching it like give me some fucking wood.

00:32:11.965 --> 00:32:12.647
I'm freezing.

00:32:12.647 --> 00:32:16.570
Maybe some of them climbed a tree to get out of the way of the Yeti.

00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:18.386
Maybe that's how the tops of them burned.

00:32:18.700 --> 00:32:22.144
Maybe they climbed the tree to get away from each other because someone's losing their shit.

00:32:22.266 --> 00:32:26.204
Maybe away from each other because someone's losing their shit.

00:32:26.224 --> 00:32:29.434
Maybe, maybe somebody went on a rampage, we don't know, never know, yeah, someone went psychotic.

00:32:29.454 --> 00:32:37.660
Yes, okay, there's no other tangible evidence, no sightings by search teams, no gigantic footprints that wouldn't have been human.

00:32:37.660 --> 00:32:46.030
No fur, no like teeth marks, biting marks, nothing like that.

00:32:46.030 --> 00:32:49.234
Right, could it possibly be a yeti?

00:32:49.635 --> 00:32:58.263
no, it's a pretty weak fucking theory but which one has more clout to you aliens or yeti?

00:32:58.884 --> 00:33:00.827
I feel like probably the yeti.

00:33:00.827 --> 00:33:04.655
Yeti, because people just want to believe it so much I know they do.

00:33:04.655 --> 00:33:05.126
I feel like aliens.

00:33:05.126 --> 00:33:05.458
Yeah, people want to.

00:33:05.458 --> 00:33:05.769
People just want to believe it so much I know they do.

00:33:05.769 --> 00:33:07.526
I feel like aliens, yeah people want to believe.

00:33:07.846 --> 00:33:09.711
People want to believe in aliens so much too.

00:33:09.711 --> 00:33:13.548
That's why it's always brought up, though now we know aliens are real.

00:33:14.250 --> 00:33:19.805
Humans have accepted that, yetis we're still having a hard time with I don't know.

00:33:20.026 --> 00:33:21.048
I don't know because there's.

00:33:21.048 --> 00:33:26.036
There's people out there like again, sasquatch, bigfoot, yeti, whatever you want to, whatever it's because there's people out there like again, sasquatch, bigfoot, yeti, whatever it's called.

00:33:26.036 --> 00:33:33.871
There are people that absolutely believe they're real, oh yeah, and everything has proven them wrong, but yet they still believe.

00:33:33.871 --> 00:33:36.346
It's good to believe in something, I guess.

00:33:36.346 --> 00:33:38.483
It's like flat Earth.

00:33:38.483 --> 00:33:42.259
Oh my God, Don't get me started on fucking flat Earthers.

00:33:42.740 --> 00:33:45.150
We're going to move on, because he's getting heated.

00:33:45.150 --> 00:33:50.663
Okay, the next theory is a KGB ambush.

00:33:50.663 --> 00:33:53.826
Uh-oh, an espionage theory.

00:33:57.522 --> 00:33:58.085
What was that?

00:33:59.180 --> 00:34:00.503
It sounded like someone's Siri.

00:34:03.050 --> 00:34:04.726
Can you pause for a second?

00:34:04.726 --> 00:34:08.641
Okay, and we're back.

00:34:13.193 --> 00:34:16.789
Okay, kgb ambush, which is the espionage theory.

00:34:17.260 --> 00:34:18.485
KGB ambush.

00:34:18.646 --> 00:34:22.228
Yes, it was an inside job.

00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:24.887
So wait, one of the nine worked for the KGB.

00:34:24.887 --> 00:34:27.646
Mm-hmm, yeah, which one Did you mention that?

00:34:28.862 --> 00:34:29.846
One is a communist.

00:34:30.601 --> 00:34:34.474
Yeah, she was like came out of the womb, yeah that was as a communist she was like came out of the womb.

00:34:34.474 --> 00:34:40.547
Yeah, that was as a communist you said right ludmina ludmina, ludmia dubinina.

00:34:41.108 --> 00:34:54.940
So there's an author alexi rack rackettin rackettin and he proposed that two or more members of the group were actually kgb agents working on a top secret mission so where did he get that thought from?

00:34:54.940 --> 00:35:20.791
Let me continue to read all right, I will stop talking shut the fuck up my bad so the mission was to infiltrate a supposed cia operation in the area and, of course, according to Rakitin, igor Dyatlov's team included moles, and he points specifically at Semyon Zolotaryov, the 37-year-old.

00:35:21.492 --> 00:35:21.753
Yes.

00:35:22.619 --> 00:35:23.443
Because he joined.

00:35:23.443 --> 00:35:33.106
One of the reasons was because he joined last minute and it was just kind of weird and Alexander Kolevatov or Yuri Krivonischenko, he's like, could be that one could be that one.

00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:36.206
Those were the two that went outside, correct?

00:35:38.652 --> 00:35:40.309
Oh yeah, which were the two that?

00:35:40.329 --> 00:35:40.753
went outside.

00:35:40.753 --> 00:35:43.467
I don't remember which one they were.

00:35:44.342 --> 00:35:48.282
I think Krivonishenko was one that went outside supposedly to pee.

00:35:48.945 --> 00:35:55.063
Maybe they went out to do some other shenanigans that they didn't want to know, back in the 59, which was nuts highly.

00:35:55.324 --> 00:36:08.302
Don't ask, don't tell so he thinks that these undercover agents were test was delivering fake radioactive samples and that's why a part of them were radioactive or their clothes were or whatever, but didn't.

00:36:08.402 --> 00:36:11.226
That wasn't it because they worked at the fucking nuclear plant.

00:36:11.246 --> 00:36:16.554
Mm-hmm, they were all fucking nuclear engineers yeah.

00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:21.728
So in this scenario something went very wrong.

00:36:21.728 --> 00:36:29.612
Obviously, you don't say, perhaps the CIA operatives discovered the ruse or an argument ensued, and then it turned violent.

00:36:29.612 --> 00:36:31.016
And then it turned violent.

00:36:31.016 --> 00:36:38.110
The theory claims that American spies murdered the entire group, eliminating the KGB agents and bystanders.

00:36:39.143 --> 00:36:42.539
Way to blame the fucking Americans, ruskies, jesus Christ.

00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:43.846
To cover their tracks.

00:36:43.846 --> 00:36:48.708
The assailants forced the hikers at gunpoint to stage the bizarre scene.

00:36:48.708 --> 00:37:05.581
Okay sorry, I was told to stop talking, so go on um yuri yudin, the, the surviving diet love member, later said he believed his friends quote saw something they shouldn't have seen.

00:37:05.581 --> 00:37:12.190
End quote like aliens and were forced at gunpoint to fake a confusing scenario what if yetis are aliens?

00:37:13.472 --> 00:37:16.742
fuck never seen them both in the same place, have you?

00:37:16.963 --> 00:37:18.806
exactly 100.

00:37:19.186 --> 00:37:26.005
That'd be a big spaceship yeah, okay, supporting evidence radioactive clothing.

00:37:26.005 --> 00:37:33.679
Yes, you know, if some of the hikers carried radioactive samples, it could have explained why their garments were contaminated.

00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:40.170
So, uh, ludmilla dubonina, her sweater and her pants were radioactive.

00:37:40.170 --> 00:37:45.983
And alexander kalevatov, his sweater fragments um were radioactive.

00:37:45.983 --> 00:37:51.730
And remember dubonina was wearing I think it was Krivonishenko's clothes.

00:37:51.989 --> 00:37:52.311
Yeah.

00:37:52.311 --> 00:37:56.996
So I'm just curious here.

00:37:56.996 --> 00:38:07.030
Those three that we're talking about was their background not in nuclear shit to begin with.

00:38:07.030 --> 00:38:08.960
Could they not have had the radiation on the clothing already?

00:38:09.820 --> 00:38:11.106
Yes, so I will get to that here.

00:38:11.106 --> 00:38:18.286
Yes, on the clothing yes, already, so I will get to that here.

00:38:18.286 --> 00:38:21.153
Yes, so, um, the radioactive materials were described as exceeding normal background radiation levels.

00:38:21.153 --> 00:38:31.440
Okay, so, uh, measurements around 9,900 disintegrations per minute, or dpms, were higher than typical clothing, but not dangerously radioactive.

00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:32.443
Okay, okay.

00:38:32.443 --> 00:38:39.394
So both dubonina andalevatov worked or studied in environments connected to radioactive materials.

00:38:39.394 --> 00:38:53.074
So Kalevatov was a former lab worker at Moscow's Nuclear Institute and Dubonina participated in UPI's projects involving industrial materials.

00:38:53.074 --> 00:39:05.806
So their clothing may have been previously exposed to trace radioactive elements, so the rest of the group wouldn't have been in on it and therefore wouldn't have had the traces.

00:39:05.806 --> 00:39:16.164
And additionally, the camera belonging to Kalevatov was allegedly missing from recovered items in this particular theory.

00:39:16.869 --> 00:39:20.021
So they're thinking that there was something on the camera that.

00:39:20.242 --> 00:39:22.547
And it was seized by the KGB.

00:39:26.043 --> 00:39:30.628
Well, the KGB is just a little sketchy and all of it right.

00:39:32.240 --> 00:39:35.570
Which is why they're a good scapegoat, yeah of course so are aliens.

00:39:36.211 --> 00:39:37.965
Yeah, maybe the KGB are aliens.

00:39:37.965 --> 00:39:42.351
Maybe we're fucking uncovering some shit here, good lord.

00:39:43.644 --> 00:39:47.047
Okay, right, so these aren't with the exception of one.

00:39:47.047 --> 00:39:48.972
They all know each other's background.

00:39:48.972 --> 00:39:52.630
They all know each other well.

00:39:52.630 --> 00:39:59.009
They've hiked together before they've done this climb, you know for however many days to get to this point.

00:39:59.009 --> 00:40:07.967
Right, yeah, it's not like they were just carrying something radioactive that became too radioactive that it finally got them.

00:40:07.967 --> 00:40:09.027
You know, right.

00:40:09.027 --> 00:40:14.974
Um, so that's a weird like not gonna happen.

00:40:14.974 --> 00:40:17.295
No, not so much.

00:40:17.295 --> 00:40:21.769
I don't think that's reality, not reality at all.

00:40:21.769 --> 00:40:26.320
You know, it's just interesting that they all have backgrounds in this.

00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:42.949
I feel like the only plausible argument I could make in this theory is that someone went outside to pee, someone else went outside maybe not together caught him doing something weird.

00:40:42.949 --> 00:40:50.548
If he did have plants, you know radioactive things yeah and then a fight ensued.

00:40:50.889 --> 00:41:02.172
Sure, okay, but like just to devil's advocate, like yeah, could see that maybe happening, right, right, but that's the only thing I really see here so zolotaryov?

00:41:02.672 --> 00:41:11.726
um, he was much older, a war veteran, he had military connections and he he was the one that basically raised the question of could this possibly be a kgb thing?

00:41:11.726 --> 00:41:15.097
Because he was such one that basically raised the question of could this possibly be a KGB thing?

00:41:15.097 --> 00:41:17.367
Because he was such a last minute addition.

00:41:17.367 --> 00:41:34.445
There was also the overall secrecy of the investigation, the hurried closing of the case, inconsistencies in the documents, the diaries and the photos, and people all thought that this was like a big cover up.

00:41:34.445 --> 00:41:40.365
So even Dyatlov's own sister said her family was sure the military was somehow involved.

00:41:40.365 --> 00:41:47.070
Some investigators and journalists in Russia have floated some similar ideas.

00:41:47.070 --> 00:41:51.289
Some shadowy authority was the one that covered this all up.

00:41:51.289 --> 00:41:55.811
Even one theory was about drunken prison escapees.

00:41:55.811 --> 00:41:57.746
Oh, jesus Christ, yeah.

00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:01.585
Excuse me what.

00:42:02.219 --> 00:42:03.646
Yeah, was there a prison nearby?

00:42:04.489 --> 00:42:04.871
There was.

00:42:04.871 --> 00:42:17.909
First of all, if I get out of fucking KGB ass, fucking prison in 1959, I am not going up the mountain, Fuck no.

00:42:19.032 --> 00:42:21.570
Fuck, no, no, there's no fucking way.

00:42:21.570 --> 00:42:22.920
No, no, no, you're, you're.

00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.690
You're going complete opposite way, correct?

00:42:25.690 --> 00:42:28.248
You're getting the hell, the fuck, out of there.

00:42:28.521 --> 00:42:30.260
So there's no footprints?

00:42:30.260 --> 00:42:49.467
No, evidence that other people were around the site um just yetis no bullet wounds, no stab wounds, no traditional hand-to-hand combat wounds yeah, and if it was prison people it'd be shanks yeah, yeah, yeah got my toothbrush in.

00:42:50.427 --> 00:42:52.550
Filed down this plastic spork.

00:42:52.751 --> 00:42:56.936
There is a simple explanation for the radioactivity.

00:42:56.936 --> 00:43:02.150
So Kalevatov previously worked at a nuclear facility.

00:43:02.150 --> 00:43:02.612
Yes.

00:43:02.612 --> 00:43:06.170
And Krivonishenko, who had Dubomir's clothes.

00:43:06.170 --> 00:43:08.387
She was wearing his clothes.

00:43:08.387 --> 00:43:11.809
He had been employed at a plutonium production plant.

00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:15.061
Plutonium.

00:43:15.061 --> 00:43:21.800
We need that to get up to 88 miles per hour the aliens need that honestly oh yeah that, that.

00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:26.063
That helps with butt probing um, so they don't resource.

00:43:27.346 --> 00:43:35.653
So um, krivonishenko actually worked at Chelyabinsk 40.

00:43:35.653 --> 00:43:36.675
That's not true.

00:43:36.675 --> 00:43:48.469
It is a top secret Soviet nuclear facility in the southern Urals, okay, and it was a site of plutonium production for nuclear weapons.

00:43:48.851 --> 00:43:49.092
Right.

00:43:49.981 --> 00:43:57.123
And it was the site for one of the worst nuclear disasters in history before chernobyl I think it was after.

00:43:57.403 --> 00:43:58.766
Was it before or after?

00:43:58.766 --> 00:43:59.929
When was chernobyl like?

00:43:59.989 --> 00:44:04.764
87 yeah, this is, yeah, this is so the um, so it's called the um.

00:44:04.764 --> 00:44:13.255
Kishtim disaster of 1957 so you had mentioned there was a nuclear something or other.

00:44:13.295 --> 00:44:16.414
Yes, so this was covered up until the 1980s.

00:44:16.414 --> 00:44:20.831
This disaster, it happened September 29th 1957.

00:44:20.831 --> 00:44:25.813
So only like a year and three months before the Dyatlov incident.

00:44:25.813 --> 00:44:32.672
It was at a nuclear fuel reprocessing plant near a secret town.

00:44:33.240 --> 00:44:34.146
Secret town wow.

00:44:35.001 --> 00:44:35.945
Of this city.

00:44:35.945 --> 00:44:39.750
They called it Chelyabinsk 40.

00:44:39.750 --> 00:44:48.393
Okay, in the southern Urals, yeah, it had a level six on the international nuclear event scale.

00:44:48.393 --> 00:44:55.032
In comparison, chernobyl was an event, excuse me, a level seven so pretty fucking bad.

00:44:55.032 --> 00:45:02.338
Yeah, yeah, wow, okay so a cooling system failed on a tank storing liquid radioactive waste.

00:45:02.539 --> 00:45:24.838
Okay, the waste overheated and exploded with a force of 70 to 100 tons of tnt oh, that's a big explosion it blew off the 160 ton concrete lid off the storage tank, jesus christ, and really released 20 million curies of radioactivity more than a hiroshima bomb.

00:45:24.838 --> 00:45:25.400
Wow.

00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:31.369
So the radioactive cloud spread over 20 000 square square miles.

00:45:31.369 --> 00:45:35.835
It affected about 200,000 plus people.

00:45:35.835 --> 00:45:43.009
Locals were not told what had happened, of course not Thousands were quietly relocated.

00:45:43.009 --> 00:45:46.710
Others were sick or they died from exposure.

00:45:46.710 --> 00:45:52.753
The area is now known as East Ural Radioactive Trace.

00:45:52.753 --> 00:45:57.282
They even named it after that's great.

00:45:57.302 --> 00:45:59.952
So is it still radioactive to this day, as far as you know?

00:46:00.273 --> 00:46:01.617
I don't know, I didn't look that up.

00:46:01.617 --> 00:46:04.126
I know like is it because chernobyl, chernobyl.

00:46:04.166 --> 00:46:09.782
I think it's still closed yeah there's like obviously new life there.

00:46:09.983 --> 00:46:14.800
There have been like non-radioactive animals that have been found in that area.

00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:16.885
So and they do allow rating.

00:46:16.885 --> 00:46:23.728
Yeah, they do allow people to go on this site, but there's like checks and balances that you have to go through to get there didn't they also like?

00:46:24.090 --> 00:46:39.237
I saw something once and I could be probably getting a lot of this wrong, but they almost like enclosed it in yeah whatever something like yeah, yeah I don't remember exact details so fun fact about chernobyl kind of like don't spiral on this, but I've already spiraled on it.

00:46:39.297 --> 00:46:52.094
It was aliens, it could have been, it could be, could be uh yeti but um, there is someone with the same surname Dyatlov.

00:46:52.615 --> 00:46:52.856
Really.

00:46:53.139 --> 00:46:56.708
That was directly responsible for Chernobyl.

00:46:56.708 --> 00:46:58.472
Really, they are not related.

00:46:58.472 --> 00:47:02.164
Sure, that's where I spiraled from and I'm like are these fucking people related?

00:47:02.164 --> 00:47:03.128
Because that's wild.

00:47:03.179 --> 00:47:04.199
There's something going on here, man.

00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:11.108
I guess Dyatlov in this area, that period of time is just as common as the name Yuri.

00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:15.443
Yeah, well, there's so many fucking areas yeah um.

00:47:15.463 --> 00:47:17.452
Have you guys seen the show chernobyl?

00:47:17.592 --> 00:47:18.114
I did not watch.

00:47:18.114 --> 00:47:20.481
It created like a miniseries it's really, really good.

00:47:20.481 --> 00:47:21.485
I remember when that came out.

00:47:21.525 --> 00:47:32.496
I did not watch it, though so okay, so um, the town technically does not exist on maps well, not if it's a secret town exactly.

00:47:32.496 --> 00:47:57.909
The ussr never publicly acknowledged the disaster until 1976, because there was a whistleblower that exposed it and gregory um kravonishenko worked at this place, possibly during or just after the cleanup okay okay, um, he and the others of the diatlov group may have had residual radioactivity from this particular disaster.

00:47:58.110 --> 00:48:00.213
Okay, fair enough.

00:48:02.034 --> 00:48:05.702
Yeah, okay, third theory.

00:48:06.143 --> 00:48:07.927
Oh geez, we're only on three, huh.

00:48:08.289 --> 00:48:08.568
Mm-hmm.

00:48:09.231 --> 00:48:09.913
Holy balls.

00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:11.947
Can you imagine doing 73?

00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:28.393
No, because we're not soviet weapons testing I mean that, yeah, that kind of goes along with the whole military thing we were bringing up before, so so were they shooting yetis out of their planes?

00:48:29.797 --> 00:48:32.364
dropping them randomly to see like their movements?

00:48:32.425 --> 00:48:36.369
yeah, do their knees hold up from 5 000 feet, so when do they go from a?

00:48:36.369 --> 00:48:47.907
Yeti to a sasquatch like what's the degree variation let's radiate these yetis and see what happens okay, so radioactive yetis, fuck, yeah, we need to make a comic book or something like that.

00:48:48.550 --> 00:48:53.286
I'm trying to move this along, okay, so it doesn't get to be five hours long it's all right that long.

00:48:53.286 --> 00:49:20.434
We're already close to an hour I know okay, so there'll be some cut out, but anyways the late 1950s um there was a lot of military experimentation in the ussr um rockets and parachute mines and, according to this theory, the diet love groups route happened to place them in the wrong place at the wrong time okay so there was perhaps a parachute mine exercise being conducted by the soviet army.

00:49:21.202 --> 00:49:32.431
Parachute mines are explosive device devices dropped from aircraft which detonate above ground, and they produce a shock wave that can flatten structures and humans.

00:49:32.711 --> 00:49:33.373
And break ribs.

00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:38.112
Without leaving obvious blast caters, because it's happening in the air Right.

00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:41.208
Well, that could explain the burnt treetops Could.

00:49:41.822 --> 00:49:42.545
It very well could.

00:49:42.625 --> 00:49:43.007
It could.

00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:44.385
A lot better than aliens.

00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:45.684
A lot better than that.

00:49:45.684 --> 00:49:46.547
I'm just saying.

00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:48.005
Much more probable.

00:49:48.306 --> 00:49:51.889
Yes, well, because if they detonate above ground, yeah.

00:49:51.889 --> 00:49:54.592
Treetops, exactly, yes, well, because if they detonate above ground, yeah treetops.

00:49:54.612 --> 00:50:01.009
Exactly weird, and this could also equate with the glowing orange orbs yeah weird.

00:50:01.009 --> 00:50:06.903
So these could have been soviet aircraft or descending parachute flares or mines.

00:50:06.903 --> 00:50:15.260
Um, being mistaken for a potential ufo, hikers asleep in their tents are rocked awake by loud explosions.

00:50:15.260 --> 00:50:21.313
Shockwaves hit the tent, maybe partially collapsing the tent, scaring the hikers.

00:50:21.313 --> 00:50:23.543
They have to cut their way out.

00:50:23.543 --> 00:50:27.773
Um, and and then they find out okay, that wasn't that bad.

00:50:27.773 --> 00:50:30.248
And then they I don't know why they'd have to go down the mountain.

00:50:30.307 --> 00:50:37.054
But and then they, I don't know why they'd have to go down the mountain, but so I don't really understand how radioactive material works here.

00:50:37.054 --> 00:50:48.231
Just to back this up, a skoach If a shockwave is dropped and there are radioactive remnants about, do they explode?

00:50:48.231 --> 00:50:50.896
What happens with radioactive elements?

00:50:54.059 --> 00:50:54.884
I don't think so, but I have no idea.

00:50:54.884 --> 00:50:55.545
That's a great.

00:50:55.565 --> 00:51:00.583
A great was this part of the research I'm gonna go with no, get the google machine out, yeah to the google machine yeah, this was um.

00:51:00.644 --> 00:51:07.403
I forgot my scientific hat today, so it's fair, yeah this is just where I spiral so and I'm a sketchy bitch like.

00:51:07.903 --> 00:51:12.329
I want an explanation no, I, I don't blame you, because it's really quite sketchy.

00:51:12.349 --> 00:51:17.956
I mean because I could see right, like if something is dropped, it explodes.

00:51:17.956 --> 00:51:21.048
Right, there's potential tree fire, whatever.

00:51:21.048 --> 00:51:21.530
Yeah.

00:51:21.530 --> 00:51:29.231
Maybe that explains the confusion, the hysteria, the what the fuck?

00:51:29.231 --> 00:51:30.735
We got to get out of here shit.

00:51:30.940 --> 00:51:42.813
The internal trauma without any external trauma yeah right, no it, that's the most believable one so far honestly, because aliens?

00:51:42.813 --> 00:51:43.893
Okay, yet he's.

00:51:43.893 --> 00:51:44.900
That's ridiculous.

00:51:44.900 --> 00:51:51.570
But yet the things that they've reported, with the treetops and the internal injuries.

00:51:51.570 --> 00:51:52.733
That's so far.

00:51:52.793 --> 00:52:12.918
This is the most believable theory yeah honestly, but anyways sam a shock wave alone cannot cause radioactive material to explode, but a shock wave can damage and disperse radioactive radioactive materials okay, so I mean, that's maybe why there's some about.

00:52:12.918 --> 00:52:16.751
But we don't even know, again theorizing.

00:52:16.771 --> 00:52:17.092
Yeah.

00:52:17.900 --> 00:52:21.291
We don't know that it was maybe even radioactive material.

00:52:21.291 --> 00:52:31.088
It could have been other shit they were testing, right yeah, cold War, mm-hmm Testing random stuff Like are you talking, cross-contamination Could be?

00:52:31.088 --> 00:52:31.905
Yeah right.

00:52:31.905 --> 00:52:36.463
It could be a new thing we've never even heard of because it didn't work, you know right?

00:52:36.643 --> 00:52:39.347
no, that's true um.

00:52:39.467 --> 00:52:54.538
So the subsequent soviet cover-up could also make some sense, because the area, the mountain pass, was closed for three years after, after this incident was it really.

00:52:54.538 --> 00:52:57.503
No one was allowed up there how come?

00:52:57.503 --> 00:52:59.365
We don't know.

00:52:59.365 --> 00:53:00.728
It's a cover-up.

00:53:00.728 --> 00:53:04.394
Ask russia, I know was it covered up with snow.

00:53:04.394 --> 00:53:18.985
Sorry, anyways, that was poor okay, so apart from blowing, apart from the radioactivity, there's fireballs in this, potential fireballs in the sky um.

00:53:18.985 --> 00:53:28.572
The lead soviet investigator said that there were bright burning spheres seen from um the locals around february 1st yeah um.

00:53:28.692 --> 00:53:37.023
Additionally, there was another hiking group about 50 kilometers away who also reported strange lights in the sky to the north.

00:53:37.023 --> 00:53:38.606
Are they alive?

00:53:38.606 --> 00:53:41.012
Yes, so they.

00:53:41.012 --> 00:53:46.103
So the whole trek up to the part where they started putting on their skis.

00:53:46.103 --> 00:53:52.172
So, like all the, the train and the, the truck, yep, um, they were actually with another group.

00:53:52.172 --> 00:53:53.994
Okay, they went one way.

00:53:53.994 --> 00:54:01.114
Diet love went the other oh, interesting, maybe it was the other group they killed them

00:54:01.916 --> 00:54:07.710
they got radioactive yeah, and then they went just crazy and killed the diet love group did we talk about?

00:54:07.791 --> 00:54:12.467
zombies, like maybe the other group was just hungry, right?

00:54:13.028 --> 00:54:19.306
none of them were eaten their tongue was tongue eyes were they.

00:54:19.405 --> 00:54:23.913
They tasted and decided they didn't like it too radioactive for me.

00:54:24.014 --> 00:54:33.050
Let's go no so weapons test theory also explains why investigators might have been a little bit more pressure to wrap up the case quickly.

00:54:33.050 --> 00:54:39.967
Yeah, yeah, a little bit of paranoia, perhaps, right, maybe the rescue team knew more than they let on?

00:54:39.967 --> 00:54:41.431
Of course they did.

00:54:41.431 --> 00:54:44.300
Yeah, yes, exactly Of course they did so, unfortunately.

00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:46.949
Well, the one fucking guy didn't even like report, like something.

00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:48.527
He didn't even document it.

00:54:48.559 --> 00:55:03.195
There was a couple of those situations, so it's like well, I mean, I'm supposed to believe these fucking idiots no, they would have a vested interest in covering any of this shit up, like I said so so there's no physical evidence of such tests being seen.

00:55:03.275 --> 00:55:08.708
There's no fragments of bombs, shrapnel or impact uh craters um.

00:55:08.708 --> 00:55:20.012
An aerial burst would not have left a crater, but you could also expect a little bit of scattered debris or burns yes um, none were noted in the autopsies or reports.

00:55:21.235 --> 00:55:35.094
um, some of the hikers did have some like orange tint to their skin and some gray hair, but that could be to natural mummification in the cold gotcha, okay.

00:55:35.094 --> 00:55:46.201
Um, the radioactivity on the clothes um was more localized as opposed to like the entirety of the clothing, right.

00:55:46.201 --> 00:55:52.271
Um, a nuclear blast or a radiological weapon would have blanketed everyone in material.

00:55:52.271 --> 00:56:01.409
Oh sure, yeah, so also there were no other footprints, so we kind of keep going back to that.

00:56:02.900 --> 00:56:08.490
Yeah, I mean it really is hard to say other people were there when there's no other footprints.

00:56:08.490 --> 00:56:10.014
Yeah, that we know of.

00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:13.641
But it could be a combination of things right on their footprints.

00:56:13.641 --> 00:56:16.027
Yeah, that we know of, but it could be a combination of things right.

00:56:16.027 --> 00:56:18.092
Because, again, how do you find footprints if there's an avalanche and blowing snow?

00:56:18.132 --> 00:56:19.340
drifting snow and all that.

00:56:19.340 --> 00:56:21.324
Yeah, it's really quite hard to do that actually.

00:56:21.344 --> 00:56:38.755
Yeah so in april 1959, experts forensics conducted tests and detected the radioactivity contamination on the clothing from Ludmila Dubonina and Alexander Kolevatov.

00:56:38.755 --> 00:56:44.530
And it wasn't just the trace amounts, it was significantly above normal background levels.

00:56:44.530 --> 00:56:48.586
And then, just a few weeks later, the case was closed abruptly.

00:56:50.751 --> 00:56:51.393
Weird.

00:56:51.393 --> 00:57:10.385
And those are the two suspected kgb people, or whatever you which was which was the one that was birth a communist ludmila ludmila dubinina okay, so kgb espionage or secret testing, secret weapons testing?

00:57:10.927 --> 00:57:21.972
aliens not a part of this oh um kgb espionage see, I think the weapons yeah I feel like weapons is probably more probable between the two.

00:57:22.132 --> 00:57:27.224
Yes, just because of the factor that it's the cold war, well, it's the cold war.

00:57:27.784 --> 00:57:30.949
Like I said, the space race is kind of heating up here and everything.

00:57:30.949 --> 00:57:36.034
Yeah, I would 100% go with the weapons testing.

00:57:36.034 --> 00:57:39.769
Yeah, because it's Cold War alone, yeah.

00:57:41.181 --> 00:57:47.072
Okay, so the Yeti, the aliens, those were the supernatural theories.

00:57:47.780 --> 00:57:49.139
The stupid natural theories.

00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:54.793
The KGB espionage and the Soviet weapons testing were more human nature theories.

00:57:54.793 --> 00:58:03.550
Now we're going to get into the natural theories, woohoo, and at this point I think we should take a little break.

00:58:03.871 --> 00:58:05.817
Okay, we can do that, because I got a pee.

00:58:05.817 --> 00:58:07.282
I gots to pee.

00:58:10.469 --> 00:58:11.030
Welcome back.

00:58:12.152 --> 00:58:12.572
Guess who's.

00:58:12.699 --> 00:58:29.791
Oh sorry, my bladder has been emptied huzzah, yeah I'm definitely leaving that in okay, so now I'm ready, we're now into.

00:58:29.791 --> 00:58:33.175
We're now into the natural theories yes, natural.

00:58:33.175 --> 00:58:36.869
And one is the katabatic winds.

00:58:37.481 --> 00:58:38.878
What are katabatic winds?

00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:46.012
It is an unusual wind phenomenon, basically an air avalanche.

00:58:46.012 --> 00:58:56.534
Okay Okay, katabatic is a fancy term for a gravity powered downslope wind how do those occur?

00:58:56.534 --> 00:59:12.536
Cold, dense air can suddenly roar down a mountain, a mountain, a mountain, a mountain, like an invisible freight train gaining high speed as it goes down and that's just fueled by cold.

00:59:12.536 --> 00:59:24.007
You said yes, so it's it would be like mother nature opening up a giant freezer door and like all that cold air just kind of rushes out at you does mother nature have a freezer?

00:59:24.608 --> 00:59:27.594
yes, I said it's like mother nature.

00:59:27.594 --> 00:59:37.494
Yes, it's called siberia, yeah so such winds have been known to reach near hurricane force winds.

00:59:37.494 --> 00:59:39.036
Wow, Okay.

00:59:39.036 --> 00:59:47.974
And for the Dyatlov group, the idea is that late February 1st 1959, a catabatic blast slammed into their camp without warning.

00:59:49.181 --> 00:59:55.132
Would that be significant enough to internally damage their bodies then?

00:59:55.693 --> 01:00:07.704
well, let's find out, because I don't remember we looked at that I feel like right and it was like a 70 ish, it was close it wasn't like 67 miles per hour.

01:00:07.724 --> 01:00:11.791
Yeah, I think we came up with was like we're like fuck, that's highway speeds.

01:00:12.432 --> 01:00:13.014
When did we do?

01:00:13.034 --> 01:00:16.567
that in one of the last two episodes.

01:00:16.606 --> 01:00:17.072
About what?

01:00:17.072 --> 01:00:17.597
What did we talk about?

01:00:17.597 --> 01:00:20.860
We were talking about how windy it was internal injuries.

01:00:22.465 --> 01:00:31.920
I'm caught up wow, like she wasn't here for it okay, it's fine physically, so catabatic winds.

01:00:31.940 --> 01:00:32.545
I'm just going to keep reading.

01:00:32.565 --> 01:00:33.028
I would appreciate that.

01:00:33.048 --> 01:00:33.371
Catabatic winds.

01:00:33.371 --> 01:00:33.936
I'm just gonna keep reading.

01:00:33.956 --> 01:00:38.347
I would appreciate that katabatic winds are infamous in polar regions and high mountains.

01:00:38.347 --> 01:00:51.556
Okay, in 1978, a similar sudden wind in anaris, sweden, killed eight hikers, which gives this theory some clout.

01:00:51.556 --> 01:00:52.858
I think Some plausibility.

01:00:52.858 --> 01:00:54.847
For the Dyatlov crew.

01:00:54.847 --> 01:01:01.248
A violent wind could have terrified them into immediate action, explaining why they would have sliced their way out of the tent.

01:01:01.590 --> 01:01:01.831
Right.

01:01:02.661 --> 01:01:07.590
They would have run for cover from falling trees that are not nearby.

01:01:07.590 --> 01:01:14.525
See, they were on the Bald Mountain part they were on the Bald Mountain, sure were, sure were and mountain part they were on the bald mountain but sure where, sure where.

01:01:14.547 --> 01:01:18.920
And again, these aren't like inexperienced people on their first hike like.

01:01:19.762 --> 01:01:24.864
I mean they're literally going for their category three, not like, wouldn't you think, just stay in the tent.

01:01:25.224 --> 01:01:26.907
It's some kind of cover, right.

01:01:27.268 --> 01:01:38.010
Well, at that point, yeah and some, some researchers thought that maybe the hikers might have anchored the tent with snow because, remember, half of the tent was covered with snow.

01:01:38.010 --> 01:01:39.103
They had to dig in.

01:01:39.103 --> 01:01:50.076
So you know, yeah, so, but do you remember that there were the skis that were holding up part of the tent or whatever?

01:01:50.076 --> 01:01:52.648
Those were still completely upright.

01:01:52.648 --> 01:01:55.623
Yeah, that were holding up part of the tent or whatever.

01:01:55.623 --> 01:01:56.465
Those were still completely upright.

01:01:56.465 --> 01:01:59.753
Yeah, so katabatic winds could also tie into the injuries and kind of around about me.

01:01:59.773 --> 01:02:02.742
So that's what I was asking yeah, one, uh.

01:02:02.864 --> 01:02:08.443
One version is that, after evacuating the tent, the group split up and attempted to regroup later.

01:02:08.443 --> 01:02:28.510
Um, some huddled in the tree line lighting a fire, others dug the the den a snow den essentially and if that snow cave later collapsed, it could produce crushing injuries sure so essentially the wind drove them to shelter in riskier places and indirectly caused the trauma.

01:02:28.630 --> 01:02:45.250
But but they were not even found in the snow den, they were found a little bit away from it yeah, they were so that kind of in my brain yeah, doesn't really go together well, yeah, right, I mean, yeah, I I'm sure.

01:02:45.250 --> 01:02:55.405
No, it's fair, I'm sure there's other things that could cause the that particular outcome, but just looking at it from my perspective, it's just like well, if that happened, why weren't they in it then?

01:02:55.726 --> 01:03:05.090
yeah so I mean, it could have been a worsening situation right, it could have been like a strong wind, yeah, and they're like shit.

01:03:05.090 --> 01:03:07.884
We better move before it gets worse.

01:03:07.884 --> 01:03:09.789
And then it got worse.

01:03:09.789 --> 01:03:42.233
You know that's true, but it would explain too right, like we talked about the fact that down by the ravine, yeah, someone appeared to have fallen from the tree into the fire right right a strong wind would probably explain someone blowing out of a tree yeah, and into a fire, yeah, yeah, no, that's true but what it doesn't explain is how it ripped out a tongue or or several or several eyes broke a hyoid

01:03:42.253 --> 01:03:48.128
or the radioactivity or, or that all wind has radioactivity.

01:03:48.128 --> 01:03:57.445
Geez, you can't believe, you didn't know that in soviet russia exactly catabetic winds are also fairly rare in the urals.

01:03:57.445 --> 01:04:00.472
They're more common in places like antarctica.

01:04:00.492 --> 01:04:04.842
All right, I'm gonna just credit this theory right away.

01:04:04.842 --> 01:04:09.286
I'm not not a fan of this one I feel like it.

01:04:10.646 --> 01:04:20.717
So, if you want to nerd out, there are some like interesting photos of wind patterns that have developed in the snow Sure.

01:04:20.717 --> 01:04:24.728
So I feel like it's plausible, but only to an extent.

01:04:24.728 --> 01:04:47.974
Yeah, not to give away my theory, but I feel like it's a combination of some of these things, right, like the wind probably could be at play here sure it's snowing and blowing very possible, um, but it doesn't explain the injuries and that's why I keep going back to the injuries, right?

01:04:48.054 --> 01:04:48.681
no for sure.

01:04:48.681 --> 01:04:55.773
Like a strong wind, 70 mile an hour, hits you out of nowhere, funneling down between mountains.

01:04:55.773 --> 01:04:58.025
Maybe could break some ribs.

01:04:58.025 --> 01:05:00.545
Maybe, Does not break a hyoid.

01:05:00.545 --> 01:05:05.864
No, not at all Does not rip out eyes and tongues.

01:05:06.125 --> 01:05:08.668
But you know what does Yetis Aliens?

01:05:10.371 --> 01:05:11.715
Okay, alien, yetis, anyways.

01:05:12.260 --> 01:05:13.987
Next natural theory.

01:05:14.086 --> 01:05:18.422
So this is number six wait, can we elaborate on winds?

01:05:18.422 --> 01:05:38.650
Just a little bit yes so I've read some interesting stuff that the winds happened and the sound from the wind essentially drove them mad so that's actually part of my next theory all right, oh all right, no, that's okay it's um, so it's called infrasound induced panic.

01:05:38.751 --> 01:05:41.184
Yes, infrasound induced panic.

01:05:41.184 --> 01:05:42.507
Yeah, so that was actually that's.

01:05:42.728 --> 01:05:48.244
That's a theory, um, so think of it like a sound weapon.

01:05:48.264 --> 01:06:01.333
Yeah, um, it's not wielded by humans, but by the topography of the mountain sure okay, but it could be wielded by humans that are doing some kind of shady shit yes yeah, no, you're not wrong

01:06:02.643 --> 01:06:28.666
and I I think I get to that actually, oh all right, I actually didn't review this before we sat down, so I'm like I think I heard okay all right so um infrasound refers to low frequency sound waves below the range of human hearing, which is below 20 hertz okay um, the other one would be um infrasound and then ultrasound.

01:06:28.706 --> 01:06:38.762
That's the other one makes sense all right okay so you can't hear it, but you can feel it, you might feel it.

01:06:38.762 --> 01:06:49.688
Yes, so research has shown that certain low frequency vibrations can cause humans to experience everything from anxiety, nausea, dread and outright panic.

01:06:50.088 --> 01:07:02.135
Sure, or if you, you know, are a fan of better help and things like that different green noise, brown noise, whatever can just lull you to a nice sleep.

01:07:02.335 --> 01:07:06.545
Yeah, my, my um sound machine has all those, yeah, different options.

01:07:06.545 --> 01:07:09.371
You have a sound machine, I do I like your alarm clock.

01:07:09.371 --> 01:07:15.621
I like the um the thunderstorms, they're my favorite.

01:07:15.621 --> 01:07:16.681
Rain with thunder.

01:07:16.681 --> 01:07:17.483
What do you like?

01:07:17.483 --> 01:07:19.085
Silence.

01:07:19.405 --> 01:07:21.847
I honestly fall asleep listening to the police scanner.

01:07:21.847 --> 01:07:28.295
The police scanner, yeah, I need that frequency because it shuts my brain off.

01:07:34.460 --> 01:07:35.864
I have to watch a movie when I fall asleep, it's her and I it's.

01:07:35.864 --> 01:07:45.170
I feel bad because, like my kid kids, like my son's been like wanting to sleep on the floor in our room lately and vesper is still kind of, unfortunately, sleeping in our bed, which or not sleeping either way.

01:07:45.773 --> 01:08:10.085
Um, so I feel bad for them because I always have to pick the movie because don't want to watch something like I can't fall asleep to that you don't want to watch like incanto for the seventh millionth time I, luckily, I've never seen that, oh okay so it's not bad I mean, I'm not saying anything bad against it, but I just no, don't want to watch like well, fucking vesper is all about fancy nancy right now what is a fancy nancy?

01:08:10.125 --> 01:08:10.606
don't ask.

01:08:10.606 --> 01:08:12.951
We're veering, but I no, I know it's.

01:08:13.070 --> 01:08:39.037
It's a show where everything's everything's fancy, apparently, and vesper wants to then play fancy nancy and it's we don't have the money for fancy yeah, it's, it's literally her just calling everything fancy you're just nancy yeah you're not fancy, not at all, I'm just nancy okay, anyway so I have to pick a movie that I can fall asleep to, and it's usually something I've seen a lot because I can shut my brain off per se.

01:08:39.278 --> 01:08:56.755
So anyways, redirect, redirect sorry okay, so this popular theory came from the author donnie eichar and he his book, the 2013 book dead mountain, and I actually got a lot of my information from that book as well as the dialofpasscom Right.

01:08:56.755 --> 01:09:01.471
So it would be like a perfect storm of wind conditions.

01:09:01.471 --> 01:09:12.231
It produced a powerful infrasound that drove the hikers into an irrational terror, so the concept is called Carman Vortex Street.

01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:13.724
Carman Vortex Street.

01:09:13.724 --> 01:09:15.094
Carman Vortex Street.

01:09:15.537 --> 01:09:15.759
Yes.

01:09:16.140 --> 01:09:17.143
Sounds like a location.

01:09:17.143 --> 01:09:19.509
It's not I know, or like a club.

01:09:19.770 --> 01:09:20.211
It's not.

01:09:20.211 --> 01:09:20.631
Yeah.

01:09:20.631 --> 01:09:27.872
Yeah, it's a pattern of spinning air vortices that can sometimes form when wind hits an obstacle.

01:09:27.872 --> 01:09:29.835
Like a mountain peak, sure, okay.

01:09:29.835 --> 01:09:35.162
Like a mountain peak, sure, okay.

01:09:35.162 --> 01:09:46.568
So ikar suggests that, as strong winds swept over the dome of the mountain, they could have generated these vortices, which in turn emanated a low frequency hum that is not usually heard by humans correct it's too low below 20 hertz.

01:09:46.568 --> 01:09:54.157
Yes, right so, uh, this sub-audible hum might have been like the earth itself groaning.

01:09:55.420 --> 01:09:58.409
It's like I don't want to get up.

01:09:58.760 --> 01:10:08.194
Have you ever seen those videos of like a really incredible powerful mic and they'll put it on a tree and the tree is literally groaning.

01:10:08.213 --> 01:10:09.296
Yeah, it would be like that.

01:10:09.296 --> 01:10:10.706
I've never seen that in my life.

01:10:10.706 --> 01:10:12.127
I have no idea what you're talking about.

01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:13.202
It's a thing.

01:10:13.202 --> 01:10:17.104
You can hear the sound mushrooms make and trees communicate.

01:10:17.104 --> 01:10:22.006
You can hear the sound of a planet spinning if you really want to.

01:10:22.579 --> 01:10:25.925
Well, the trees communicate because they're ants that have been alive for thousands of years.

01:10:25.925 --> 01:10:33.367
Thank you, lord of the Rings, they really deliver.

01:10:33.868 --> 01:11:00.425
Alright, right, fair enough, okay, so these hikers wouldn't have heard anything, but their bodies might have reacted, sure so just a question yeah right, I don't know we're we're gonna get there, but if it is like the ground groaning, right, I feel like that could be a setup for oh fuck, we got to move.

01:11:00.425 --> 01:11:02.363
There's about to be an avalanche.

01:11:02.363 --> 01:11:05.804
Yeah, right so again combination of things.

01:11:05.804 --> 01:11:07.628
For sure.

01:11:07.628 --> 01:11:09.546
Yeah, I can argue anything.

01:11:11.301 --> 01:11:20.631
So infrasound at certain frequencies has been documented to cause feelings of unease and panic, and they sometimes call it the fear frequency.

01:11:21.100 --> 01:11:22.265
The fear frequency.

01:11:22.899 --> 01:11:24.646
It can vibrate the tiny ears.

01:11:24.646 --> 01:11:27.307
Nope the tiny hairs in your ears.

01:11:27.740 --> 01:11:28.865
The tiny ears.

01:11:29.662 --> 01:11:32.109
My mind instantly went to cat ears.

01:11:33.060 --> 01:11:35.024
My mind went to the tiny hands.

01:11:35.045 --> 01:11:38.872
Oh, no, tiny ears, hi Donnie's.

01:11:39.502 --> 01:11:40.305
Okay, that's enough.

01:11:43.699 --> 01:11:45.704
It's Kristen Wiig on XML.

01:11:45.826 --> 01:11:48.613
I know, I know Donnie's Okay, anyways.

01:11:49.180 --> 01:11:59.970
So it can create vibrations on these tiny hairs in the inner ear and it messes with the vestibular system, then creating orientation and discomfort, essentially.

01:11:59.970 --> 01:12:05.729
So under this theory, late at night the winds start like an eerie Dead Mountain song.

01:12:05.729 --> 01:12:10.612
The campers are suddenly hit with a wave of dread coming out of nowhere.

01:12:10.612 --> 01:12:18.284
Perhaps they might have started feeling dizzy or nauseous and in a collective panic they're like we've got to get out of this tent ASAP.

01:12:18.284 --> 01:12:18.926
Right.

01:12:18.947 --> 01:12:30.094
Yeah, so they might have believed an avalanche was coming from the ground, which could have also explained their confusion.

01:12:30.094 --> 01:12:31.984
I'm petting my cat, penny.

01:12:31.984 --> 01:12:36.627
Penny, if you weren't seeing this on TV or on YouTube, sorry On the television.

01:12:36.627 --> 01:12:38.604
Yeah, she wants all the pets.

01:12:39.206 --> 01:12:39.707
She's like meh.

01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:41.323
She was just over here.

01:12:41.805 --> 01:12:42.087
I know.

01:12:42.226 --> 01:12:42.930
You can come back.

01:12:42.930 --> 01:12:45.145
It's amazing how much she can walk, Penny.

01:12:45.145 --> 01:12:46.770
Come back, Penny, okay.

01:12:46.770 --> 01:12:53.930
So this theory gained some respectability because it doesn't require conspiracies.

01:12:53.930 --> 01:12:56.306
It doesn't require aliens or yetis?

01:12:56.306 --> 01:13:00.422
Yes, exactly so.

01:13:00.422 --> 01:13:04.893
Lab experiments have shown low-frequency sound can induce anxiety in humans.

01:13:04.893 --> 01:13:12.073
The US military even researched infrasound as a non-lethal weapon for crowd control.

01:13:12.073 --> 01:13:12.413
Yep.

01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:14.479
Oh really.

01:13:14.780 --> 01:13:16.984
Interesting researched infrasound as a non-lethal weapon for crowd control.

01:13:16.984 --> 01:13:18.167
Yep, oh, really interesting.

01:13:18.167 --> 01:13:23.198
Have you heard like a really really low um note on an organ, like an organ, pipe, organ?

01:13:23.417 --> 01:13:35.287
yeah, it would be like that, only all over and even that explains how I feel when I go in a church I feel, dirty, just dread and panic.

01:13:38.280 --> 01:13:43.592
So just after dawn on February 15th 2013.

01:13:43.841 --> 01:13:45.038
So almost two weeks later.

01:13:45.701 --> 01:13:53.755
At 9.20 local time, a 12,000 ton meteor exploded in the sky over the Ural Mountains.

01:13:53.755 --> 01:14:03.270
It's approximately 120 miles south of Yekaterinburg.

01:14:03.810 --> 01:14:04.270
Of where.

01:14:04.731 --> 01:14:05.613
Yekaterinburg.

01:14:06.394 --> 01:14:08.395
You know, oh, yekaterinburg.

01:14:09.341 --> 01:14:10.086
It's a big city.

01:14:10.086 --> 01:14:12.809
If people in Russia are listening, they know where it is.

01:14:12.809 --> 01:14:18.489
Nasa, scientists estimated its diameter to have been 55 feet.

01:14:18.489 --> 01:14:19.672
Gesundheit.

01:14:19.733 --> 01:14:42.371
Thank you 55 feet diameter Okay, making it the largest meteor to hit Earth's atmosphere in over a century, and resulted in an explosion that flattened 800 square miles of forest in central Siberia, with a blast several hundred times more powerful than the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

01:14:42.371 --> 01:14:46.570
Hiroshima, I've heard both ways.

01:14:46.570 --> 01:14:47.979
I know Tomato, tomato.

01:14:47.979 --> 01:14:51.362
What followed next was infrasound waves.

01:14:51.362 --> 01:14:52.863
What followed next was infrasound waves.

01:14:52.863 --> 01:15:00.429
The explosion generated massive infrasound waves detected by infrasound sensors all over the world.

01:15:01.149 --> 01:15:01.489
Right.

01:15:01.949 --> 01:15:04.693
Including 47 global stations.

01:15:04.693 --> 01:15:11.318
The waves circled the Earth multiple times Some say three, some say four full orbits.

01:15:11.318 --> 01:15:27.338
Yeah, it was the most powerful infrasound ever recorded from a known object but this happened like two weeks after they died this happened in 2013 oh so okay, I did not hear the year.

01:15:27.359 --> 01:15:30.105
Yes, that's okay, it happened in February 2013.

01:15:30.105 --> 01:15:31.649
There are YouTube videos on.

01:15:31.649 --> 01:15:33.356
I'm going to link them in our show notes.

01:15:33.356 --> 01:15:35.537
But you can actually see this meteor.

01:15:35.537 --> 01:15:38.716
You can't really tell that there's infrasound, but the meteor.

01:15:38.716 --> 01:15:40.979
It's really interesting to hear this big boom.

01:15:42.283 --> 01:15:43.003
Yeah, don't hit that.

01:15:43.890 --> 01:15:47.077
Much like you know we were talking about earlier.

01:15:47.077 --> 01:15:55.600
Right Like certain areas are more susceptible to weird shit happening than others.

01:15:55.600 --> 01:16:08.050
Sorry, I put that in there because I was just like you guys know what I'm talking about, right, I put that in there because infrasound has been detected and it has happened before, so it's possible it happened back in 1959.

01:16:08.729 --> 01:16:10.275
Oh, that's what you're saying, okay.

01:16:10.438 --> 01:16:13.832
Gotcha, because I'm like cool 2013.

01:16:13.832 --> 01:16:15.175
Glad we know what happened.

01:16:15.175 --> 01:16:16.837
I this Okay Cool 2013.

01:16:16.837 --> 01:16:18.261
All right, glad we know what happened.

01:16:18.261 --> 01:16:18.782
I don't know.

01:16:19.404 --> 01:16:21.186
So the problem with this 54 years later?

01:16:21.207 --> 01:16:22.229
Back to the future Right.

01:16:23.189 --> 01:16:26.820
The problem with this theory is it can't be proved.

01:16:26.820 --> 01:16:28.975
It happened way back then.

01:16:28.975 --> 01:16:31.090
There weren't sensors for it back then, sure.

01:16:31.350 --> 01:16:33.716
That's really funny because yetis can't be proved either.

01:16:33.716 --> 01:16:37.738
Or aliens Just saying funny because yetis can't be proved either.

01:16:37.759 --> 01:16:50.256
Or aliens just saying some physicists have questioned um the uh type topography of the campsite and the mountain, if that would, even if infrasound would even occur yeah in that kind of situation.

01:16:50.256 --> 01:17:00.662
Um, but people also point out that not not all nine hikers would probably react identically the same way to infrasound Exactly.

01:17:02.131 --> 01:17:05.597
Maybe some would I mean a lot of averages.

01:17:05.637 --> 01:17:10.701
But and again, just to shit on this right away it doesn't break ribs, it doesn't.

01:17:11.301 --> 01:17:11.483
No.

01:17:12.390 --> 01:17:15.256
Break a fucking hyoid Like it just doesn't.

01:17:21.390 --> 01:17:21.931
It could drive them mad.

01:17:21.931 --> 01:17:22.113
Have you?

01:17:22.113 --> 01:17:27.029
Have you seen those videos of people reacting to something that's not there in front of their partner or whatever?

01:17:27.029 --> 01:17:34.932
They also react the same way yeah so even if these people aren't panicking the same way they see one panicking, they're all gonna panic, true?

01:17:35.154 --> 01:17:45.015
yeah, I guess I have not monkey see, monkey, do you know like your partner would essentially like oh shit, you know, and they're like wait, what fuck?

01:17:45.055 --> 01:17:51.432
yeah it's like that yeah or there's a bee and you'll panic and yeah, we're like I don't see the bee, but I'm gonna.

01:17:51.672 --> 01:17:54.737
Usually one of them trips down the stairs or something too Like.

01:17:54.737 --> 01:17:55.377
It's great.

01:17:55.377 --> 01:17:56.840
I highly recommend.

01:17:56.859 --> 01:17:58.922
Okay.

01:18:01.291 --> 01:18:04.930
Okay, so it does not explain internal injuries.

01:18:04.930 --> 01:18:07.739
For that you would need something else, Something else.

01:18:08.069 --> 01:18:09.153
All I know is.

01:18:09.153 --> 01:18:15.023
One thing I've learned over the course of these episodes is that Audra really has a thing for the hyoid.

01:18:15.323 --> 01:18:20.734
I do it's like the most interesting part to me no, because it's a hard.

01:18:20.734 --> 01:18:24.484
It's a hard thing to get to unless you are like strangled.

01:18:24.630 --> 01:18:31.003
Yeah, basically, yeah okay no, I get it katabatic winds or infrasound panic.

01:18:31.003 --> 01:18:32.673
I have to pick one.

01:18:32.694 --> 01:18:35.199
Yeah, you picked yeti and you picked secret weapons.

01:18:35.220 --> 01:18:35.942
So now you have to pick one.

01:18:35.942 --> 01:18:38.347
Yeah, you picked Yeti and you picked Secret Weapons.

01:18:38.347 --> 01:18:40.997
So now you have to pick Catabatic Winds or Infrasound.

01:18:40.997 --> 01:18:43.555
Which one do you think which has more clout?

01:18:43.555 --> 01:18:47.838
Not which one do you think it is, which one has more of a possibility?

01:18:48.130 --> 01:18:49.194
I guess the winds.

01:18:50.197 --> 01:18:50.819
You think the winds?

01:18:51.329 --> 01:18:59.800
If I had to pick one of those two, I don't mean I honestly don't agree with either, but if I had to pick one of those two, I don't mean I don't, I honestly don't agree with either.

01:18:59.819 --> 01:19:04.224
But if I had to pick, one, I'd pick the winds audrey I think the sound?

01:19:04.243 --> 01:19:13.685
yeah, I think, um, and I'm gonna pick the sound because, for the reason they might have, I could see it lining up the events.

01:19:13.685 --> 01:19:16.939
Right, sure, uh, they think it's an avalanche.

01:19:16.939 --> 01:19:18.170
They cut out of the tent.

01:19:18.170 --> 01:19:23.701
They're like fuck, we gotta move right um, that would explain the various dress.

01:19:24.222 --> 01:19:36.434
Doesn't explain the radiation and all the other shit but you know, but I feel like the winds could also, because you could hear the winds coming out over the mountain so so I think I would choose the winds.

01:19:36.434 --> 01:19:40.398
Yeah, because they would be able to hear that and they could panic from that.

01:19:40.497 --> 01:19:46.422
Yeah, that's true too, Because I mean, depending on the ultimate sound of those winds, it could also sound like an avalanche.

01:19:46.422 --> 01:19:46.923
Exactly.

01:19:46.923 --> 01:19:49.987
And that's kind of where I was going with picking the winds as well.

01:19:49.987 --> 01:20:00.923
Yeah, because I get what you're saying 100%, but I don't know, I just wind can play some funny tricks on your mind with what you hear.

01:20:01.390 --> 01:20:05.338
Do we talk about the undressing?

01:20:06.822 --> 01:20:07.804
No, okay.

01:20:07.804 --> 01:20:11.465
So there's something called paradoxical undressing.

01:20:11.465 --> 01:20:12.649
Yes, paradoxical undressing.

01:20:12.649 --> 01:20:17.310
You and I covered that in our children's blizzard of 1888.

01:20:17.529 --> 01:20:19.478
That's why I'm like I've heard that before.

01:20:20.010 --> 01:20:25.479
So you get so cold from hyperthermia your body actually thinks it's warm and you?

01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:26.662
Start to undress.

01:20:26.862 --> 01:20:28.204
Right, and that was a theory.

01:20:28.204 --> 01:20:35.462
I feel like winds or sound could also start that.

01:20:35.462 --> 01:20:39.594
Sure Okay, if everyone's reacting to everything different.

01:20:39.594 --> 01:20:41.038
Sound wave-wise.

01:20:41.399 --> 01:20:44.154
Right, huh, okay.

01:20:44.792 --> 01:20:53.756
I still think that Igor was going to have them all wash their feet, and so they started taking off their shoes, and some of them their socks.

01:20:53.756 --> 01:20:55.692
By the time something happened and they all left.

01:20:56.113 --> 01:21:00.818
Do you think he was standing there like the guy in Dodgeball?

01:21:00.837 --> 01:21:03.842
No, Stop it.

01:21:04.029 --> 01:21:05.416
Doing his stomach thing there.

01:21:05.416 --> 01:21:07.896
Get in there nice and deep.

01:21:08.170 --> 01:21:11.618
We have two final theories that we're going to talk about.

01:21:12.489 --> 01:21:13.672
Potentially more from Audra.

01:21:13.693 --> 01:21:17.382
Yes, Maybe we're going to talk about a slab avalanra.

01:21:17.403 --> 01:21:17.984
Yes, yeah, maybe Maybe.

01:21:20.413 --> 01:21:23.854
So we're going to talk about a slab avalanche, is it a?

01:21:23.876 --> 01:21:24.542
slab-a-lanche.

01:21:24.542 --> 01:21:29.661
Yes, yeah, you turn something very unsexy into something sexy.

01:21:29.661 --> 01:21:32.675
Slab-a-lanche.

01:21:32.694 --> 01:21:35.081
So slab avalanche was really sexy.

01:21:35.081 --> 01:21:42.132
No, it's unsexy.

01:21:42.132 --> 01:21:46.643
Oh, okay, different, okay, it's like wait, which one's the sexy one?

01:21:48.398 --> 01:21:49.662
you know, neither of them are.

01:21:49.662 --> 01:21:51.109
If you have to ask that question, yeah, I guess.

01:21:52.190 --> 01:21:53.974
Okay, so the dyatlov hikers?

01:21:53.974 --> 01:22:04.055
They carved out they carved out um a pad of snow to lay their tent on yes, remember, this is a slope, correct?

01:22:04.055 --> 01:22:08.551
That they're on a 22 to 30 degree slope, depending on where you read it.

01:22:08.551 --> 01:22:10.252
30 yeah um.

01:22:10.252 --> 01:22:15.640
So they had to carve out a flat slab of snow so their tent wouldn't be on a fucking angle.

01:22:15.640 --> 01:22:22.587
Yes, yeah okay, so it was suggested that a slab avalanche came from what was like on top of them.

01:22:22.868 --> 01:22:30.739
Essentially, I don't agree yeah I don't agree with that.

01:22:30.739 --> 01:22:45.501
So I know, okay, I I don't know what your next one is, and that's fine, but like I understand that like a big thing is, avalanches are a very big theory for these people, but that just seems a little like not exactly right.

01:22:45.770 --> 01:23:04.237
But again, I'll go into more detail, I guess and we'll decide yeah, then I'll shit on it Go ahead let's say, catabatic winds blew additional snow down the slope a slab of compacted snow maybe the size of like a small suv, like my car, eileen.

01:23:04.237 --> 01:23:07.329
Eileen has no giddy up and go, that's why we call her.

01:23:07.510 --> 01:23:13.117
Come on, eileen, the song okay I was thinking of no arm, no leg jokes.

01:23:13.117 --> 01:23:16.421
But it's just me small suv.

01:23:16.521 --> 01:23:21.873
Okay, this slab of compacted snow would break loose and then slam into the tent.

01:23:21.873 --> 01:23:24.961
It would not bury them only partially.

01:23:24.961 --> 01:23:29.453
It wouldn't wipe them out, but it was enough to trigger a panicked response, right?

01:23:29.453 --> 01:23:32.478
Okay, here's where things get a interesting.

01:23:32.478 --> 01:23:43.632
I hope so in 2021 okay I'm just saying like this is still like, oh yeah broad spectrum, oh my gosh, it's.

01:23:43.632 --> 01:23:49.945
It's going on for eons right or 50 scientists from epfl.

01:23:49.945 --> 01:23:54.793
Epfl, it's swiss, so here we go do it.

01:23:55.314 --> 01:23:56.615
Let's hear how she pictures this Ecole.

01:23:56.655 --> 01:24:03.666
Polytechnique Federale de Lusana, epfl, got it.

01:24:04.409 --> 01:24:04.791
It is a.

01:24:04.831 --> 01:24:14.139
Swiss university known for top-tier engineering and physics research, yep and the ETH Zurich.

01:24:15.431 --> 01:24:16.377
What's ETH mean?

01:24:16.591 --> 01:24:18.862
Swiss Federal Institute of TechnologyTH Zurich.

01:24:18.862 --> 01:24:19.224
What's ETH mean?

01:24:19.224 --> 01:24:20.208
Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in.

01:24:20.229 --> 01:24:22.356
Zurich, how do you get ETH out of that?

01:24:22.356 --> 01:24:22.577
It's.

01:24:22.818 --> 01:24:23.099
Swiss.

01:24:23.099 --> 01:24:24.655
I just translated it for you.

01:24:24.655 --> 01:24:26.654
Anyway, einstein went there.

01:24:26.654 --> 01:24:27.961
Enough apparently.

01:24:28.462 --> 01:24:28.985
So anyway.

01:24:29.628 --> 01:24:29.949
Interesting.

01:24:29.949 --> 01:24:36.082
This guy named Johan Guam was a snow dynamics expert.

01:24:36.082 --> 01:24:43.451
What was his name?

01:24:43.451 --> 01:24:43.610
Johan?

01:24:43.631 --> 01:24:44.393
guam was a snow dynamics expert.

01:24:44.393 --> 01:24:44.853
What was his name?

01:24:44.893 --> 01:24:55.994
johan guam, johan game, okay he was a snow dynamics expert and he started with uh winter hazards he wanted.

01:24:56.154 --> 01:24:57.096
Why would he start that?

01:24:57.096 --> 01:24:58.199
That sounds terrible.

01:24:58.199 --> 01:24:59.101
He studied it.

01:24:59.149 --> 01:25:04.529
God damn it okay he wanted to test whether a small avalanche could explain the hiker's injuries.

01:25:04.529 --> 01:25:16.220
So he was intrigued by the broken ribs and skull, the minimal soft tissue damage, no external bruising, really um crushed without being bruised.

01:25:16.220 --> 01:25:17.502
Essentially, very weird.

01:25:17.502 --> 01:25:36.502
So turns out, disney animation team built I heard that an incredibly accurate snow simulation software frozen for frozen for the movie frozen yes and this johan guy collaborated with the developers and borrowed their code I think that was.

01:25:36.805 --> 01:25:43.657
They talked about this in that one you sent me to listen to I do believe that's why I know this, because why else would I fucking know this right?

01:25:43.716 --> 01:25:44.018
yeah.

01:25:44.018 --> 01:25:58.506
So the frozen inspired physics engine simulated the snowpack pressure, slope angles and how a hard snow slab the size of about a mattress would hit a body lying on skis.

01:25:58.506 --> 01:26:11.506
So a compact snow slab triggered hours after the hikers cut into the slope could create the same internal injuries as seen on the diet love autopsies why I'm gonna call bullshit.

01:26:11.929 --> 01:26:12.329
okay, can I?

01:26:12.329 --> 01:26:14.615
Can I ask a little question before you call bullshit?

01:26:14.615 --> 01:26:16.721
Yeah, why on skis?

01:26:16.721 --> 01:26:18.234
They weren't on skis.

01:26:18.350 --> 01:26:25.322
They were laying on the ski poles, so they weren't laying directly in the snow, is my understanding?

01:26:25.729 --> 01:26:27.537
Wait who was laying on the ski poles?

01:26:27.537 --> 01:26:28.019
All of them.

01:26:28.019 --> 01:26:30.475
Why were they laying on ski poles?

01:26:30.729 --> 01:26:31.993
So they weren't laying in the snow.

01:26:33.578 --> 01:26:34.079
In their tent.

01:26:34.240 --> 01:26:51.734
Yeah, I'm so fucking confused right now it was essentially to the is that a theory be up off the ground instead of directly on it right, which I can understand, that I never heard heard that they would be on ski poles but sneak holes sneak holes.

01:26:52.114 --> 01:26:59.663
Um, I guess okay, we're talking like the ski poles yeah, how would you lay on those?

01:27:00.545 --> 01:27:20.904
I don't think it's like a flat bed of ski poles I think it's like spaced out kind of gives you your own lane to sleep in so you don't get foot to face exactly unless you're eager, he's like, yeah, get in there maybe you wind them up all foot to foot, so he could just tickle them right down the line or something.

01:27:21.109 --> 01:27:21.471
Line up.

01:27:21.532 --> 01:27:34.405
I got my feather ready, okay so a compact snow slab triggered hours after the hikers cut into the slope could create the same internal injuries found on the bodies.

01:27:34.405 --> 01:27:39.573
It didn't need to be a full avalanche, just a delayed slab collapse.

01:27:39.573 --> 01:27:52.212
Sure, okay, it would be like hitting with like a, like an ice prius or something, a slow moving car as I say, an ice prius is that like you wouldn't hear it coming if it's under 35 miles an hour.

01:27:52.311 --> 01:28:11.523
This helps explain the office he's driving up on right so this helps explain why the tent was slashed from the inside, why they fled without proper clothing, why some injuries looked like more of a car accident and why no large avalanche debris was found.

01:28:11.523 --> 01:28:17.884
So critics have said that the area wasn't steep enough for an avalanche.

01:28:17.884 --> 01:28:32.953
Yeah, while the visible surface slope was only about 15 degrees, the underlying terrain was closer to 20 degrees, so that's probably why there's a a weird thing between the 22 degrees and 30 degrees, depending on what you're at, what you read.

01:28:32.953 --> 01:28:41.356
Yeah, strong winds couldn't have erased any debris, leaving the tent half covered in snow but still standing.

01:28:41.356 --> 01:28:49.273
Okay, there's also the timing Hikers set up camp in the evening, but the incident didn't happen until hours later.

01:28:49.292 --> 01:28:51.819
Okay.

01:28:53.863 --> 01:29:00.681
And they at this time they didn't have enough time to like put on their shoes and or partial socks.

01:29:00.681 --> 01:29:16.078
They had time to put on some, but not all yeah, so skeptics point to the lack of full tent burial right well, and that's the other thing too is like the ski poles that were standing straight up yeah that's why I was also confused that they were sleeping on their ski poles apparently.

01:29:16.279 --> 01:29:24.402
Yeah, yet their ski poles are standing straight up, so I'm really confused aspect of it because they said they found them fucking sticking in the ground.

01:29:24.721 --> 01:29:38.384
Because if an avalanche came, I don't care how fucking good you got that ski pole in there, an avalanche is going to push that fucking over, yeah there were other weird things that completely shit on the avalanche theory.

01:29:39.591 --> 01:29:53.083
So something I was listening to earlier to refresh myself on the theories, kind of sites that they found essentially a frozen carafe, I think they call it, of cocoa.

01:29:53.083 --> 01:29:59.001
So an avalanche comes right, right, oh shit, we got to get out.

01:29:59.001 --> 01:30:04.979
That's a pretty hurried situation if there's seven people in the tent, because two have gone out to pee, right.

01:30:04.979 --> 01:30:20.704
So there's seven people in the tent, you're cutting your way out, quickly, throwing on whatever you can get your hands on quick yeah but the avalanche nor people don't knock over a carafe of cocoa and or

01:30:20.725 --> 01:30:22.891
wasn't it igor's?

01:30:22.891 --> 01:30:26.559
Was it igor's camera or whatever was like in a pocket and stuff.

01:30:26.559 --> 01:30:28.783
I was it igor's.

01:30:28.783 --> 01:30:35.382
No, I might be mixing it up, doesn't matter there's so many people it was a yuri, a lot of, a lot of yuris.

01:30:35.591 --> 01:30:35.771
Um, one of.

01:30:35.771 --> 01:30:37.622
I think it was igor's I could be wrong, but it was like almosturi, a lot of a lot of yuris.

01:30:37.622 --> 01:30:37.823
Um, one of.

01:30:37.823 --> 01:30:45.635
I think it was egors I could be wrong, but it was like almost in a pocket thing, like a lot of things like because I just heard something and it probably was from that podcast.

01:30:45.635 --> 01:30:57.922
You sent me that like just not that long ago, within the last, I don't know, five, ten years, whatever it was yeah they came out with more definitive proof that it probably was an avalanche.

01:30:58.725 --> 01:30:59.926
You know, but how?

01:30:59.926 --> 01:31:00.371
How?

01:31:00.371 --> 01:31:02.838
How is this shit standing up straight?

01:31:02.838 --> 01:31:05.287
How is the whole fucking tent not covered?

01:31:05.528 --> 01:31:08.235
here's my other problem with the avalanche theory.

01:31:08.235 --> 01:31:15.275
Yeah, and this is just the slab avalanche because we're actually going to get into a classic avalanche all Correct.

01:31:15.275 --> 01:31:22.661
Well, either fucking version of the avalanche, this girl had a fucking rib through her heart.

01:31:22.661 --> 01:31:29.500
You are not getting a rib through your heart and still like trying to get away.

01:31:29.500 --> 01:31:30.042
No.

01:31:30.042 --> 01:31:34.717
Like that something happens, your time to death is pretty quick.

01:31:35.279 --> 01:31:37.073
I would imagine Anything going through your heart.

01:31:37.073 --> 01:31:39.693
You're gonna die pretty fucking fast yeah so.

01:31:40.314 --> 01:31:42.958
So let's think of it this way.

01:31:42.958 --> 01:31:50.328
Okay, this theory, the slab avalanche, or the classic avalanche which we'll get into, it's about why they lift their tent so quickly.

01:31:50.328 --> 01:31:55.079
Okay, their injuries could have been from climbing the trees.

01:31:55.079 --> 01:31:56.722
It could have been falling into the ravine.

01:31:56.722 --> 01:31:57.932
This is just.

01:31:59.011 --> 01:32:02.962
These ones specifically are about why they left the tent.

01:32:02.962 --> 01:32:12.960
Honestly, an avalanche makes the most fucking sense for why they left so fucking fast, like in rational thinking.

01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:16.918
Why the fuck would I be leaving this tent so fast?

01:32:16.918 --> 01:32:20.555
Because there's fucking snow coming down the mountain on top of us?

01:32:20.555 --> 01:32:23.239
But why wasn't the tent fully covered?

01:32:23.600 --> 01:32:29.319
yeah, avalanche or presumed avalanche, or a slabalanche or a regular avalanche.

01:32:30.121 --> 01:32:37.884
Okay, one of them would have covered the fucking tent fully, not just partially okay, so let's go on to the classic avalanche theory.

01:32:38.310 --> 01:32:42.981
Okay, so snow roaring down the mountain.

01:32:42.981 --> 01:32:45.327
Have you seen videos of actual avalanches?

01:32:45.547 --> 01:32:47.733
they are massive, they're fucking wild.

01:32:47.733 --> 01:33:00.042
Massive, and that's my point is like I've seen videos of these it's like a wrecking ball yeah, just basically it takes trees down, and that's why I have a really hard fucking time believing this.

01:33:00.042 --> 01:33:08.091
That why was the tent only like partially, partially covered, or the carafe was still standing up frozen and we've established.

01:33:08.171 --> 01:33:13.262
These mountains in perspective are not that steep, that high.

01:33:13.523 --> 01:33:16.377
No Right, not that high and not that steep 30 degrees.

01:33:16.377 --> 01:33:26.255
Don't get me wrong, it's pretty fucking steep, yeah, in the normal fucking world of thinking but, on a mountain not as much, whereas some are steeper.

01:33:26.255 --> 01:33:28.261
Could that avalanche happen on that?

01:33:28.301 --> 01:33:37.912
of course, obviously, but I don't know but they're also in a bald spot right, so that's even more speaking to and there's no visible avalanche debris?

01:33:37.931 --> 01:33:46.610
yeah, there's, there's nothing like that there isn't like a tree through the middle of it, and their ski poles are still standing upright and the tent's not fully covered and the hot chocolate's still there.

01:33:46.731 --> 01:33:55.252
Yeah, carafe, the carafe textbook carafe so textbook carafe if it was an avalanche.

01:33:55.252 --> 01:33:57.680
They're thinking it was more of a local collapse.

01:33:57.680 --> 01:34:04.492
Um, not not essentially coming from the top of the mountain and like snowballing forward snowballing.

01:34:04.492 --> 01:34:12.072
I like, I like the word play but the classical avalanche doesn't fit all the facts that we know about this case.

01:34:12.072 --> 01:34:17.582
So which one do you think has more clout slabalanche or classic avalanche?

01:34:18.083 --> 01:34:20.876
I would go slabalanche reluctantly slabalanche.

01:34:20.876 --> 01:34:25.112
I would say slabalanche I just also like the name, because I came up with it yes, yeah.

01:34:26.493 --> 01:34:34.641
Now there is a red herring that I did not mention the guy named Remple.

01:34:35.302 --> 01:34:36.704
Like Remple Stillskin.

01:34:37.444 --> 01:34:37.746
Close.

01:34:37.746 --> 01:34:43.780
So I'll have to go back and find Didn't you mention Remple?

01:34:43.780 --> 01:34:45.067
I did, yeah, I did.

01:34:45.067 --> 01:34:45.730
Let me Can.

01:34:45.770 --> 01:34:47.757
I shit on avalanches just a little bit more.

01:34:48.332 --> 01:34:49.516
Take a giant deuce.

01:34:49.791 --> 01:34:52.659
I also don't like the.

01:34:52.659 --> 01:34:56.797
I don't like the avalanche theory.

01:34:56.797 --> 01:35:03.600
It's probably the most probable, but I think that's why I dislike it the most because it's because again they're not.

01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:05.831
Yeah, it is too probable.

01:35:05.831 --> 01:35:25.148
No, it's like you don't survive or get stirred from your tent because you think there's an avalanche or there is an avalanche, no you get covered take out your pad and paper, like to communicate anything right, take your camera with you, yeah, or?

01:35:25.269 --> 01:35:36.654
or even start putting on socks yeah, only get halfway there or one person's wearing one boot, or whatever the fuck it was plus again, these are not inexperienced hikers.

01:35:37.154 --> 01:35:41.337
They know what to do if there's an avalanche.

01:35:41.337 --> 01:35:50.663
Like they had to have, I believe, some kind of emergency plan should they run into something like this while they're out there.

01:35:50.663 --> 01:35:58.998
That was part of applying to do this Category 3 shit Right exactly, just even imagine on it more.

01:35:59.019 --> 01:36:02.618
Well, no, and that's fine, because, like I can't even imagine, like you know.

01:36:02.618 --> 01:36:03.900
Oh, you got your category two.

01:36:03.900 --> 01:36:05.393
Should I know something about avalanches?

01:36:05.393 --> 01:36:06.494
Nah, that's a category.

01:36:06.494 --> 01:36:08.220
Three thing don't worry about it.

01:36:08.239 --> 01:36:30.793
So it's not like they'll learn probably learn about it prior to this, so right like again, I'm no fucking expert at anything, but they also and right, because they've researched this within the last five, seven years, maybe, yep, and came out with you know, it was definitely an avalanche and that's what they were saying in that one.

01:36:30.793 --> 01:36:35.860
Yes, but that just doesn't no, don't jive with me.

01:36:36.220 --> 01:36:36.501
Okay.

01:36:36.501 --> 01:36:51.750
So even if a slab, avalanche or classic or inverse, no matter how they got out of the tent or why they got out of the tent, one of my biggest questions is why did they not stay in the snowpack den that the four created?

01:36:51.750 --> 01:36:54.118
They were found in a ravine, yeah.

01:36:54.751 --> 01:37:07.015
Well, they did say that there was running water underneath that could have collapsed the base or whatever that would have made them fall but it didn't collapse the base and run them downstream.

01:37:07.036 --> 01:37:14.054
So there is there is picture evidence of this, den and the branches at the base are there.

01:37:14.173 --> 01:37:15.358
They're intact, right?

01:37:15.438 --> 01:37:35.252
no, I get that, so that's why it wouldn't have bottomed out weird I I think it's aliens okay, rumple so once when they were in the town vizay, ivan rumple, who was a forester that's the one who told him not to go he warned the hikers not to go.

01:37:35.453 --> 01:37:36.314
So what did he know?

01:37:36.935 --> 01:37:37.454
Exactly.

01:37:37.795 --> 01:37:38.515
Interesting.

01:37:39.056 --> 01:37:50.146
So I bring this up, because in Zina Kolmogorova's diary the very last entry had one word Remple, remple.

01:37:55.565 --> 01:37:55.726
Remple.

01:37:55.726 --> 01:37:57.492
Why Could you imagine?

01:37:58.252 --> 01:37:59.895
if she said it three times, what would?

01:37:59.914 --> 01:38:01.877
have happened't, do it right now seriously why?

01:38:01.957 --> 01:38:18.140
but so right, it kind of again combines theories yes if there is some kind of meddling, if they do feel like they're being followed, why are you just gonna reflect on fucking rumple several days later?

01:38:18.140 --> 01:38:35.735
And you know, and why would you only write remple remple it just doesn't make sense like if you're being followed, if you feel that he's out there, something like that, or you're gonna write remples fucking following us, or you could have ran in with rempel again.

01:38:35.917 --> 01:38:41.194
Yeah, you know or she could have started to write.

01:38:41.194 --> 01:38:44.342
Rempel warned us also.

01:38:44.342 --> 01:38:51.921
Yeah, it could have been something as simple as that, yeah honestly, just because, just because she wrote rempel doesn't mean it was bad.

01:38:51.981 --> 01:38:54.836
It could have been well maybe it was so fucker was right.

01:38:54.836 --> 01:39:04.658
I write a lot of notes to remind myself of something later, so maybe she wrote down Rempel to later tell him about what they experienced on the mountain, about, yeah, this is a really dangerous pass, or whatever.

01:39:05.118 --> 01:39:05.841
Because he said it was.

01:39:05.841 --> 01:39:07.594
Now it's named after us.

01:39:08.296 --> 01:39:08.997
Yeah, okay.

01:39:09.439 --> 01:39:09.600
Yeah.

01:39:09.909 --> 01:39:11.394
February 2019.

01:39:12.315 --> 01:39:14.782
60 years 60 years ago.

01:39:14.801 --> 01:39:14.903
Mm-hmm.

01:39:14.903 --> 01:39:21.216
Yeah, the decision was made by the Russia's Prosecutor General's office to reopen the Dyatlov incident case.

01:39:21.449 --> 01:39:27.457
So there was enough time passed where they got the other shit out, because they just abruptly closed it, fuckers.

01:39:27.850 --> 01:39:30.055
Enough time for it to not be radioactive anymore.

01:39:30.117 --> 01:39:33.056
So the Russian government wanted to put the mystery to rest.

01:39:33.056 --> 01:39:39.015
Boost public trust because just Because they're, you know, Russia.

01:39:39.015 --> 01:39:47.417
They wanted to be transparent, finally, and they wanted to reframe the tragedy as a natural accident and not a government cover-up.

01:39:48.431 --> 01:39:53.076
Well, of course they're going to say that, though Any government cover-up would fucking say that.

01:39:54.351 --> 01:40:20.476
So out of all the theories, the new investigation only reconsidered three of them which are avalanche, yeti and avalanche avalanche, slabalanche, yes, and katabatic winds okay, just to shit on avalanches a little bit more, though I'm sorry, I never get sick of shitting on avalanches I have never heard someone shit on avalanches as much as I have today.

01:40:21.059 --> 01:40:21.699
You're welcome.

01:40:21.841 --> 01:40:28.119
Thank you for that this area from all the research, everything I've ever read on it.

01:40:28.119 --> 01:40:33.757
Even the mansi have said not prone to avalanches.

01:40:33.757 --> 01:40:34.699
Yeah, it has.

01:40:34.699 --> 01:40:39.051
Maybe it happened there, but it's never been documented right?

01:40:39.391 --> 01:40:42.056
I mean, is it technically possible?

01:40:42.398 --> 01:40:43.439
everything's possible.

01:40:43.479 --> 01:40:49.600
Sure, I wasn't there, but I'm just saying I wasn't there if no one's ever like right.

01:40:49.699 --> 01:40:53.231
This was like a place that obviously other people were hiking.

01:40:53.231 --> 01:41:03.666
It's not like these are the first and only people to have ever been in this area right right someone probably would have seen or heard of an avalanche right.

01:41:03.666 --> 01:41:14.701
There's indigenous people out there that were very like, from my understanding, cooperative with investigation they weren't like a violent people or like standoffish or anything.

01:41:14.720 --> 01:41:17.930
Yeah, so they were very forthcoming with everything they knew.

01:41:17.930 --> 01:41:29.341
They helped with the search, they did all the things like they should, sure and I feel like they're living out there they would know they would be like, fuck, it was probably an avalanche.

01:41:29.341 --> 01:41:30.692
It happens here all the time.

01:41:30.692 --> 01:41:32.873
Right, didn't happen, didn't?

01:41:32.873 --> 01:41:36.078
Okay, I'm done shitting on that, no worries.

01:41:36.097 --> 01:41:43.546
That's okay, they reanalyzed the terrain, weather patterns and snow load stability.

01:41:43.546 --> 01:41:46.378
They reexamined all the evidence.

01:41:46.378 --> 01:41:53.083
They reinterviewed local officials and those having survived all this time.

01:41:53.083 --> 01:42:08.796
They brought in avalanche specialists and forensic experts and they reanalyzed weather conditions from February 1st to 2nd in 1959 by modern modeling tools.

01:42:08.796 --> 01:42:18.818
Don't know what that means, however, the official conclusion in July of 2019, it was a slabalanche.

01:42:20.350 --> 01:42:30.765
So any government that's trying to cover something up is obviously going to say what you had said before, which is, yeah, they're going to come up with this and be like well, clearly, that's what it is.

01:42:30.765 --> 01:42:47.140
I'm not saying that government covered it up, but a government trying to cover something up would fucking say that they're gonna find something that is plausible plausible, something that could happen, yes, and they're gonna dig their heels in.

01:42:47.159 --> 01:42:56.082
Right, they're never going to admit to a cover-up, they're never going to admit a fault or that they were doing some kind of testing, something like that.

01:42:56.082 --> 01:42:59.452
Right, they're gonna be like because that fuck an avalanche man Top secret shit.

01:42:59.552 --> 01:43:01.378
They're not going to give out that information.

01:43:01.378 --> 01:43:06.636
Even 60 years fucking later, they're not going to give out that information.

01:43:06.636 --> 01:43:07.619
I mean, look at the.

01:43:07.619 --> 01:43:10.409
Our government has shit that we don't know about.

01:43:10.409 --> 01:43:13.896
That's who knows how fucking old and whatever.

01:43:13.896 --> 01:43:19.253
So it's like you thinkussians are going to give up fucking information about what they were doing.

01:43:19.253 --> 01:43:19.876
Fuck, no.

01:43:19.876 --> 01:43:44.238
So again, I'm not saying that's what it is, but also I'm not saying that's not a possibility that they're just covering up more shit to make them and they came up with this like oh no, we've definitively decided it was a slabalanche, and I do believe that's the title of this episode so if you had to decide between the katabatic winds and the slab of lanch?

01:43:46.661 --> 01:43:47.082
to me.

01:43:47.082 --> 01:43:53.378
I still have to probably pick slab of lanch because it is the most like logical in my brain.

01:43:53.378 --> 01:44:04.101
I'm not saying I am a hundred percent on it and I mean I've heard enough shitting on avalanches today to avalanche is not my choice no, and what is your choice?

01:44:04.101 --> 01:44:08.520
I would have never guessed that, audra firmly not avalanches.

01:44:08.520 --> 01:44:15.518
Um between the two, I'm gonna go wins sure, okay I think, which I could, but I could also see that too.

01:44:15.518 --> 01:44:16.560
I could see that as well.

01:44:16.560 --> 01:44:17.743
Absolutely, I really could.

01:44:18.130 --> 01:44:19.011
Wind sound.

01:44:19.011 --> 01:44:23.000
I'm kind of like a combination wind sound, okay, you know.

01:44:23.039 --> 01:44:24.604
Yeah, sure, I get that.

01:44:24.604 --> 01:44:32.988
My biggest problem with the slabalanche and or avalanche is like the lack of covering up the entire tent.

01:44:32.988 --> 01:44:35.673
Yeah, I mean, I know.

01:44:35.895 --> 01:44:39.421
And the cocoa still being upright and the poles being upright.

01:44:39.502 --> 01:44:47.301
Exactly Cause like there's such force from avalanches whether it's a slab of land or a fucking traditional avalanche, I don't like.

01:44:47.301 --> 01:44:48.203
I said I don't care.

01:44:48.203 --> 01:44:53.542
You would have to have that fucking pole in a hundred feet to stand straight up still.

01:44:53.542 --> 01:44:55.471
Yeah, that would have fucking fallen over.

01:44:55.792 --> 01:44:56.453
You would think so.

01:44:56.474 --> 01:45:06.827
The tent would have been more covered, except for the one fucking end of it, and so that to me just is like Also, there was that flashlight on top of the snow yes, that's another thing too.

01:45:06.949 --> 01:45:10.480
That didn't have any snow on top of that which means it was blown off.

01:45:10.810 --> 01:45:13.796
The snow could have been blown off, but the avalanche would have covered that shit.

01:45:13.796 --> 01:45:21.610
Not even covered.

01:45:21.610 --> 01:45:22.474
It would have knocked it off potentially.

01:45:22.493 --> 01:45:24.942
There's no way in my brain that that flashlight wouldn't have fell off by getting fucking hit by a bunch of moving snow.

01:45:24.942 --> 01:45:34.164
Yeah, it wouldn't have been found right in the area, it would be way down or uh, igor's was it camera, I don't know.

01:45:34.485 --> 01:45:35.748
It was like in that pocket thing.

01:45:35.748 --> 01:45:45.054
I'm drawing a blank on what the fuck it was right now, but like all that shit would have been just more disrupted to me if it wasn't a slavalanche, traditional avalanche, whatever.

01:45:45.054 --> 01:45:50.015
So I just it makes sense, but it also makes no fucking sense to me.

01:45:50.015 --> 01:46:02.128
Yeah, because I just feel like there's too many inconsistencies and again, I'm not any fucking expert by a stretch of the imagination, but like I've seen enough movies, yeah, Avalanche We've seen Frozen.

01:46:02.208 --> 01:46:04.175
Yeah Well, and they use their model.

01:46:04.175 --> 01:46:11.198
Or like when you know James Bond was in and he had that fucking ball go around him, and then he's like, hey, let's make out, because we're going to fucking James.

01:46:11.538 --> 01:46:14.394
Bond, or which movie is that Was it.

01:46:14.434 --> 01:46:15.234
World is Not Enough.

01:46:15.234 --> 01:46:20.907
I think, yeah, die Another Day With Ali Berry.

01:46:20.907 --> 01:46:22.993
Was it Die Another Day?

01:46:22.993 --> 01:46:24.618
I always get those mixed up a little bit.

01:46:25.420 --> 01:46:25.780
I don't know.

01:46:25.780 --> 01:46:26.542
I don't know.

01:46:28.329 --> 01:46:30.889
No, I think it was World is Not Enough, because it was the Ah fuck.

01:46:30.889 --> 01:46:32.274
Now I'll have to figure that out.

01:46:32.274 --> 01:46:33.278
It's one of those two.

01:46:38.932 --> 01:46:39.895
It's a pierce broson one nonetheless.

01:46:39.895 --> 01:46:40.556
Well, it might be regardless.

01:46:40.556 --> 01:46:41.300
I don't know shit about 007.

01:46:41.319 --> 01:46:52.752
I fucking love james bond regardless, david green I don't think we've solved anything well you know, here's the funny thing neither have they they think they have you do have a point.

01:46:52.752 --> 01:46:54.373
They say they have yeah.

01:46:54.373 --> 01:46:55.274
They say they have yeah.

01:46:55.274 --> 01:46:59.158
They say they have yeah, which makes they want you to think they have.

01:46:59.158 --> 01:47:03.402
I don't agree that they've actually uncovered what the fuck happened.

01:47:03.402 --> 01:47:07.265
Okay, nobody's going to ever know what happened to these nine fucking people.

01:47:07.565 --> 01:47:08.867
So let's work this out.

01:47:08.867 --> 01:47:11.371
There's an avalanche.

01:47:11.371 --> 01:47:13.212
What happens from there?

01:47:13.212 --> 01:47:15.676
Just spitballing Right.

01:47:15.676 --> 01:47:17.177
What happens from there?

01:47:17.177 --> 01:47:20.161
That leads to the injuries.

01:47:20.180 --> 01:47:24.845
Oh yeah, that too Right, Fucking hyoid man.

01:47:24.845 --> 01:47:26.167
Avalanche is done.

01:47:26.229 --> 01:47:27.475
I wasn't even going to say the hyoid.

01:47:27.475 --> 01:47:30.177
I was going to say like there's an avalanche.

01:47:30.257 --> 01:47:33.416
Who had the hyoid, because I didn't read that anywhere.

01:47:33.416 --> 01:47:34.038
Dubinia.

01:47:35.029 --> 01:47:35.310
Dubinia.

01:47:35.310 --> 01:47:38.880
She was one of the four in the ravine, that sounds right.

01:47:38.880 --> 01:47:40.182
I can't remember.

01:47:40.182 --> 01:47:42.837
Now I'm drawing a blank.

01:47:42.837 --> 01:47:47.301
That's okay, but it doesn't explain any type of combat wounds, right?

01:47:47.550 --> 01:47:48.755
No, like the fist.

01:47:50.492 --> 01:47:51.614
Yeah, doesn't explain any of that.

01:47:51.614 --> 01:47:54.863
Fighting a yeti would yeah, just saying.

01:47:56.311 --> 01:47:56.935
I'm going to look up.

01:47:56.935 --> 01:48:00.881
Did someone break a hyoid?

01:48:00.881 --> 01:48:01.912
Who has a?

01:48:01.972 --> 01:48:02.896
broken hyoid.

01:48:02.896 --> 01:48:06.335
In the dialogue.

01:48:06.354 --> 01:48:06.676
Yeah.

01:48:06.676 --> 01:48:12.337
Definitely specify that yeah, because, like I said, I've not heard that.

01:48:12.679 --> 01:48:12.840
No.

01:48:13.270 --> 01:48:17.971
I feel like it's one of those things that you just read conflicting information on too right?

01:48:17.971 --> 01:48:22.561
No, for sure was she the one that had the documentation of the injuries?

01:48:22.561 --> 01:48:25.975
Was shit, right oh 100 all the medical exams.

01:48:26.015 --> 01:48:30.753
It was so shit when you were found and all the stuff that they fucking left out.

01:48:30.753 --> 01:48:31.938
Yeah, it's just amazing.

01:48:31.938 --> 01:48:36.411
It's like this is not an actual fucking investigation, because you're leaving shit out.

01:48:36.730 --> 01:48:40.373
We don't even know if the things that are in there are correct or not.

01:48:40.595 --> 01:48:49.261
Well, because they could have altered it just to benefit whoever was covering shit up, or whatever scenario you want to come up with.

01:48:49.261 --> 01:48:50.703
When was that one?

01:48:50.703 --> 01:48:55.627
Was that one guy who, he like, found this but completely omitted it Didn't?

01:48:55.686 --> 01:48:58.394
even put it in the lead investigator.

01:48:58.413 --> 01:49:00.378
It's like are you fucking kidding me?

01:49:00.779 --> 01:49:12.145
okay, so it was ludmilla ludmilla, and it wasn't her hyoid bone like the whole thing it was the little horns that come off of it.

01:49:12.890 --> 01:49:15.335
Those were snapped so what does that mean?

01:49:17.658 --> 01:49:29.252
it could have been just regular trauma, not like like, not strangulation or anything like that I feel like I've always read this is where the conflicting information comes in.

01:49:29.793 --> 01:49:35.283
I've always read it was a hyoid either way I don't know.

01:49:35.423 --> 01:49:37.536
I just feel like we're never gonna fully know.

01:49:37.536 --> 01:49:38.934
Uh, it's always gonna be?

01:49:38.953 --> 01:49:41.560
how close are the horns to the actual highway?

01:49:41.560 --> 01:50:00.091
I'll show you a picture here okay, okay, so still something like it's questionable, it's questionable all right, I think it was aliens, yeah it was it's.

01:50:00.612 --> 01:50:13.131
it was in um the dietlovecom um website website and I just hadn't read that part, so interesting well yeah thank you for bringing that to our attention holy smokes holy shit.

01:50:14.113 --> 01:50:14.836
Yeah, are we done?

01:50:14.836 --> 01:50:19.688
Yeah, because I gotta pee now thanks for one more.

01:50:19.927 --> 01:50:22.555
Oh, fuck yeah one more what do you?

01:50:22.815 --> 01:50:32.519
got okay, so this is the only thing that I've read that I believe explains the combat the handgun style injuries.

01:50:32.519 --> 01:50:38.095
Yeah, remember way back in the beginning where we were talking about everybody introducing them all.

01:50:38.095 --> 01:51:09.158
They've all been friends, they're a respectable group of people and we figure out that zanata and diatlov are maybe in a relationship yes, okay um and correct me if I'm wrong, but she is the one that has had multiple relationships with people generally liked her yeah she's an attractive gal I think she dated one other person in the group okay, but they remained friends yes

01:51:09.219 --> 01:51:20.819
so I think that's what it was then there's this also cigarette, uh, you might acquit, but someone smuggled some in because they just weren't as committed kind of thing yeah um.

01:51:20.819 --> 01:51:28.256
So some of the theories that I've read have gone into explaining the combat style.

01:51:28.256 --> 01:51:40.734
Injuries might have been a result of them fighting with each other over zanata, over zanata, over someone not following the rules, sure, um?

01:51:40.814 --> 01:51:41.997
you know something like that.

01:51:42.139 --> 01:51:53.550
I figured that as well yeah, something to deal with zanata yeah but, and it's not like a popular one, but like how do you explain hand-to-hand combat?

01:51:53.710 --> 01:51:56.599
it's the only thing that kind of explains that.

01:51:56.719 --> 01:51:56.920
Yeah.

01:51:59.310 --> 01:52:02.399
At least that we've gone over, of course, because it's not like they went out and fought a fucking avalanche.

01:52:02.680 --> 01:52:05.556
Right, they weren't punching their way out of the snow.

01:52:05.556 --> 01:52:06.740
No, obviously.

01:52:07.029 --> 01:52:11.569
I mean if you hit ice, you can fuck up your hand, but Absolutely Not just snow.

01:52:11.609 --> 01:52:12.916
That seems like a good theory.

01:52:18.711 --> 01:52:19.051
It seems.

01:52:19.051 --> 01:52:20.234
Seems like a good theory, it seems more rationale?

01:52:20.253 --> 01:52:21.076
yeah, because it's.

01:52:21.076 --> 01:52:24.545
It's also rooted in not ridiculousness, like there are broken ski poles that are found to.

01:52:24.604 --> 01:52:28.297
Yes, I believe that's I thought I thought you mentioned that I don't remember.

01:52:28.559 --> 01:52:32.814
So that could explain some of the internal ish injuries.

01:52:32.814 --> 01:52:37.207
Sure, um, the part that gets me with the internal injuries right.

01:52:37.207 --> 01:52:38.511
This is a group of friends.

01:52:38.511 --> 01:52:48.399
They're not like new to each other with the exception of one right um and correct me if I'm wrong again, but I don't believe he had any internal injuries.

01:52:48.399 --> 01:52:55.456
So in the sense of like a um brawl situation.

01:52:55.456 --> 01:53:06.240
Right, um, you know, maybe he was the winner of the brawl I mean, that's very was that yeah, that was a zolotary of um.

01:53:06.622 --> 01:53:14.136
Let me see what his injuries were right yeah I don't know if we had his he had the cracked ribs on one side.

01:53:14.136 --> 01:53:15.078
Okay.

01:53:15.479 --> 01:53:18.623
So well they could have worked together and fucked him up.

01:53:18.623 --> 01:53:18.965
I don't know.

01:53:18.965 --> 01:53:23.199
I'm just saying a fight between them is not.

01:53:23.671 --> 01:53:25.537
It's not out of the realm of possibility.

01:53:25.829 --> 01:53:29.900
Plus add in, you know tensions are probably running high.

01:53:29.900 --> 01:53:34.439
You're kind of losing your mind and thinking you're going to die.

01:53:34.439 --> 01:53:41.618
Yeah, you know, I can imagine getting a little frustrated, even with my friends, in that situation.

01:53:42.671 --> 01:53:50.132
So Zolotaryov also had missing eyebrows and missing eyeballs, and he had also three fractures of the scapula.

01:53:50.132 --> 01:53:53.398
So I mean he got a little fucked up too.

01:53:54.697 --> 01:53:58.252
I think they fell into the ravine and that's how they got those injuries.

01:53:58.273 --> 01:53:58.472
Like fell.

01:53:58.472 --> 01:54:01.716
I think they fell into the ravine and that's how they got those injuries Like fell out of a tree into the ravine.

01:54:01.756 --> 01:54:06.783
No, I think maybe they were thinking that they were on solid ground and they weren't.

01:54:07.103 --> 01:54:08.225
That's very possible.

01:54:08.225 --> 01:54:14.452
Yeah, I could see that For sure After leaving the den.

01:54:14.511 --> 01:54:14.953
They thought they were.

01:54:14.953 --> 01:54:16.359
I don't know why they would leave the den.

01:54:17.230 --> 01:54:20.670
Well, because maybe they thought it was safe at that point.

01:54:20.750 --> 01:54:27.863
But it could have been at that point too, where we don't know where the paradoxical undressing could have started.

01:54:28.103 --> 01:54:29.291
That's also true At that point.

01:54:29.310 --> 01:54:37.043
they could have been so disoriented and just desperate that they're like, fuck it, we're getting out of here.

01:54:37.350 --> 01:54:40.501
But do you think that they would have known about that phenomenon?

01:54:41.050 --> 01:54:42.073
They probably wouldn't have.

01:54:42.073 --> 01:54:44.640
You don't think so, I don't think so.

01:54:44.699 --> 01:54:48.634
Well, maybe Because I mean it's not like it's probably the the results of hypothermia.

01:54:48.654 --> 01:54:49.577
This is what it does to you.

01:54:50.030 --> 01:54:54.761
It's probably not like the first documented case of paradoxical undressing, you know.

01:54:54.761 --> 01:54:59.752
So yeah, I documented case of paradoxical undressing, you know.

01:54:59.752 --> 01:55:01.918
So I would imagine you would think seasoned professionals out there.

01:55:01.939 --> 01:55:22.815
Yeah, well shit, we could honestly talk about this for a fucking hours, absolutely, but I don't wanna that's fine, but I don't wanna I've been balls deep in this story for for two solid months, yeah yeah, I mean it's been, it's been a minute yeah, it's really easy to rabbit hole it's so easy.

01:55:24.460 --> 01:55:25.341
What are you looking up?

01:55:25.341 --> 01:55:28.453
I was trying to see if there was a date for one paradoxical.

01:55:28.453 --> 01:55:39.935
Paradoxical addressing was like kind of discovered, if you will but um not finding anything like, the only thing that I see is like some science thing in 79.

01:55:39.935 --> 01:55:43.101
It doesn't say not something that was discovered.

01:55:43.101 --> 01:55:45.552
I'm like I get that, but one was the first fucking documented.

01:55:45.552 --> 01:55:46.815
Is, I guess, what I meant.

01:55:46.815 --> 01:55:54.578
But um, let's see if it's because I'm kind of curious now, because I don't, I feel like they wouldn't.

01:55:55.579 --> 01:56:01.158
Um, they might not have had a name for it but I would imagine they knew the effects of hypothermia.

01:56:01.158 --> 01:56:03.222
I would imagine uh paradoxical.

01:56:03.289 --> 01:56:24.097
Addressing the phenomenon where individuals suffering from hypothermia remove their clothes due to a mistaken feeling of warmth was first documented in the medical literature between 1978 and 1994 okay so whether that's right or not, I don't know, but it's more than likely that they did not know about that phenomenon in 1959.

01:56:24.097 --> 01:56:25.261
It's very possible.

01:56:25.261 --> 01:56:28.378
So, anyways, that's all I wanted to know.

01:56:28.680 --> 01:56:28.779
Yeah.

01:56:28.909 --> 01:56:29.836
But anywho.

01:56:31.470 --> 01:56:33.279
Well, Audra, thank you for being with us.

01:56:33.369 --> 01:56:34.274
Thank you for having me.

01:56:34.274 --> 01:56:36.136
You added a great element for us.

01:56:36.157 --> 01:56:36.618
This was fun.

01:56:36.618 --> 01:56:38.277
Thanks for letting me shit on avalanches.

01:56:38.277 --> 01:56:40.957
Hey, just like I like to shit on aliens.

01:56:40.957 --> 01:56:41.659
We're there for you.

01:56:41.659 --> 01:56:47.378
And that's not just because they anal probe me, but anyways, welp, I suppose.

01:56:47.378 --> 01:56:49.836
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