May 5, 2025

Smack Dabble: Charles Lightoller

Smack Dabble: Charles Lightoller

Charles Lightoller wasn't merely present for some of the 20th century's most significant maritime events – he survived them all with an almost supernatural resilience. Born into humble beginnings in Lancashire, England in 1874, Lightoller's life story reads like an adventure novel too extraordinary to be fiction. At just 13 years old, Lightoller signed on as an apprentice seaman, beginning a maritime career that would challenge death at nearly every turn. His early years included a shipwreck...

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Charles Lightoller wasn't merely present for some of the 20th century's most significant maritime events – he survived them all with an almost supernatural resilience. Born into humble beginnings in Lancashire, England in 1874, Lightoller's life story reads like an adventure novel too extraordinary to be fiction.

At just 13 years old, Lightoller signed on as an apprentice seaman, beginning a maritime career that would challenge death at nearly every turn. His early years included a shipwreck that left him stranded on a deserted island fighting off vicious albatrosses, battles with sharks, bouts of malaria, and narrow escapes from spontaneously combusting coal fires. Each disaster seemed to forge his character rather than break it.

Fate placed Lightoller aboard the Titanic as Second Officer during its fateful 1912 voyage. When disaster struck, he supervised the loading of lifeboats on the port side, strictly interpreting "women and children first." As the ship sank, Lightoller was sucked underwater but miraculously blown back to the surface by an explosion of air from within the ship. He ultimately led 30 survivors atop an overturned collapsible boat until rescue arrived. As the highest-ranking officer to survive, his testimony shaped our understanding of the disaster and influenced future maritime safety regulations.

But Lightoller's extraordinary story continued through two World Wars. During WWI, he commanded multiple vessels, including the HMS Garry, with which he rammed and sank a German submarine. Then, at 66 years old during WWII, he piloted his personal yacht "Sundowner" to Dunkirk, rescuing 127 British soldiers while dodging German aircraft – a testament to his unwavering courage and seamanship.

Despite experiencing six shipwrecks and countless near-death experiences, Lightoller maintained his love for the sea until his death at 78. In his words, "The sea is a hard, unrelenting mistress... She tried to drown me several times, yet I beat her... But we still remain the best of friends." Discover the full story of history's most resilient sailor in this remarkable episode.


Titanic & Other Ships by Charles Herbert Lightoller
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D1RDZGRZ

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00:00 - Kentucky Derby Results

09:46 - Introduction to Charles Lightoller

21:58 - Early Sea Adventures and Disasters

44:47 - Titanic: Before the Collision

54:20 - Surviving the Titanic Disaster

01:06:47 - World War Experiences and Sunken Ships

01:20:03 - Dunkirk Rescue and Later Life

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Oh, hey there.

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Oh, hey there.

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How are you?

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I'm well, how are you?

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I'm very good.

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Thank you Excellent.

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We wanted to pop on real quick before this episode to kind of cover the results of the Kentucky Derby.

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Yeah, because Kate had Sovereignty and I had Burnham Square and Kate won.

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Sovereignty won coming from the back end congratulations, kate.

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I'm picking the proper winning horse yeah, sovereignty.

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I based it solely because of the name, because I thought it was pretty that's what a lot of people do when they pick horse races, yeah um.

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So just a little bit of like information um sovereignty was born february 22nd 2022 crazy yep um the jockey was junior alvarado.

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Yeah um.

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The trainer was william mott, owner was um godolphin llc and the breeder was godolphin um and and sovereignty for winning the raise won 3.1 million dollars.

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Yeah, that's impressive and as I was looking up, um, the owners and the jockeys and everything, yeah, I um I read an article that pretty much every horse is somehow like, every horse in the derby is somehow connected to secretariat, right, because of the breeding and all that.

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Yes, yes.

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So I thought that that was pretty cool.

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I believe it said that Sovereignty was the fifth generation of Secretariat.

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Nice.

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Yeah, that's pretty cool.

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So congratulations, sovereignty, winning the roses this year in 2025.

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Yeah, absolutely that's 2025.

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Yeah, absolutely, that's fantastic.

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Yeah, that was pretty cool.

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So the track was super, super sloppy oh my gosh and oh my gosh.

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The horses and the jockeys were disgusting.

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At the end, you can tell if a horse, if someone's in front, you can tell.

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On days like that, because, they are not dirty, but everyone behind them looks like they went through a mud hole.

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So that's pretty funny, yeah, but yeah, so, yeah, we just want to check in and say congratulations, Kate, on picking the proper horse.

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I'll cheers to that.

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Yeah, cheers to that.

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All right, Enjoy the episode everyone oh, hey there oh, hey there I am so excited tell me why?

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because we're the history buffoons and I'm bradley and you're kate.

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So we don't forget, I am kate.

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Yeah, I just went over that um I'm bradley, no, okay.

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So I'm so excited because, um, our friend tara, yes, brought a little bit of home, shout out to me yes, um, tara, um, to me.

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Yes, tara goes to Nebraska every once in a blue moon.

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Yes, and she was unable to go this year.

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However, she had co-workers.

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She had co-workers who went to Nebraska and they brought back.

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Thunder Punch, Thunder Punch.

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So to give you, to give everyone else but Kate an idea.

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I have been hearing about this the entire time I've known.

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Kate and I get to enjoy a Thunder Punch from Thunderhead Brewing Company out of Kearney.

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Nebraska which is where you're from.

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I mean, even just it's a cool can.

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Yeah, it's black.

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It's got nice purpley, which side note, kate's favorite color.

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Oh, by the way, it contains alcohol.

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Say what yeah Better.

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Malt beverage with natural and artificial flavors.

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We're not going to talk about the red dye.

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Number 40 that's in here.

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Oh, whatever, jesus.

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Christ but it literally says grape citrus punch spiked with fruit and candy sugar I mean and I remember wholeheartedly that great flavor and I've only ever had it on tap.

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I didn't even know they made cans well, that's one of the reasons why, when you showed me this, I was super shocked and excited because you've always mentioned it where you just had it on tap, so I didn't know they actually can this stuff.

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So the last time I went to Thunderhead Brewing Company it was a couple of years ago.

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I was on my way to Wyoming for Cheyenne Days.

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Yeah.

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And my friend and I stopped there for a Thunder Punch Right and I asked for one on a tap right.

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And they go.

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Which one, which one?

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I?

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I was like, wait, what it was like they've only ever had grape you've told me this, but I've I've been gone for so long that they like have lime and I don't know all kinds of flavors, but I was like, no, oh he's, oh, he's just why did it explode on me, though?

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So tara my blue, my blue, up on me too washing stuff later.

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Oh my gosh, that is great.

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Does that bring a little home to you, burp?

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Oh man first burp of the episode.

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Folks wait for more.

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Yeah, I got some on my wall, yeah what do you think?

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Let me take another sip while you talk about it it needs to be a little colder it does definitely need to be colder.

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I drove two hours with this in my car.

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Yeah, it's good, I like it.

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Oh, my God, I love it so much.

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I'm so excited.

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I'm a little sticky because it went all over my shirt and my pants and my wall.

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How did that happen?

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I have no idea.

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OK, that was delicious and I'm so excited to keep drinking.

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Thank, you, tara.

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Thank you, Tara, that was delicious and I'm so excited to keep drinking.

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Thank you, tara.

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Thank you, tara, okay, um, yes, I have.

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Well, first of all, okay um, we are on youtube.

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We mentioned that last episode, but we're really like trying, trying to get on youtube.

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We have these videos now.

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We're still kind of getting the hang of this yes um, so backgrounds might change location of the camera might change.

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We're just kind of figuring out like what all we we like and don't like about this setup yeah, so the our first video we recorded at kate's.

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This video is in the pod loft at his house, at my house, so, um, things are definitely going to change throughout the videos till we kind of find out what our, what our like is if you will, yeah uh, but just side note, the nice canvas painting behind kate's was painted by kate.

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Yeah, uh, commissioned by bradley, but, um, I thought she did a great job and I wanted to make sure it was in the video because, well, it's us yeah, so I like it, it's, it's, that's my buffoon that's my buffoon, so thank you again for making that you're welcome cheers to that.

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I don't know what that weird look is for, but I said you're welcome I know I heard that part, jesus, so it's funny because I originally I got out uh, two for each of us and they're like.

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She's like oh, it's not very cold, let's put them back in the fridge so there might be a pause at some point.

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Um, so bear with us Just saying.

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Oh my gosh.

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Okay, it's so good.

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Now just imagine like a bar ambiance, did you say?

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ambiance or ambiance.

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Ambiance.

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There it is.

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I probably said ambiance.

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I know it's ambiance Okay.

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I know you do.

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That's why I had to just make sure.

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So thanks for bearing with us.

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As far as like the, the video, the transition to including video.

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Uh, we've been wanting to do this for a while.

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We're just trying to figure it out.

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We're all still really new to this.

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I mean we've only our podcast has only been officially around for uh seven months?

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yeah right, three, four, seven months.

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Yeah Right, three, four, seven months.

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We're like, no, eight months now, as of tomorrow was our first.

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Yeah, so eight months.

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So we're still learning, we're still growing.

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We're getting better.

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I mean, I've been learning tricks and tips about editing to make it sound better.

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Now I get to learn how to do video, so that's going to be fun.

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Uh, so I'm hoping the videos get better over time too, because I feel like our audio has gotten better over time.

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Um, obviously, we're still releasing on the audio mediums, but uh, we're we're trying to include some more, uh, videos of us doing our episodes, so we can try and uh, I don't know videos of us doing our episodes.

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So we can try and I don't know be a little more personable to our listeners and get them to know us a little better.

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Just in case Tara doesn't know what we look like yeah, I mean, we've met her in person, but you know she might forget, she might forget.

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But I guess my point is anyone who's listened to us only over audio has no idea what like.

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Who are these jamokes?

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Well, we're us, the what has no idea what like who are these jamokes?

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well, we're us.

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So what jamokes?

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I've never heard that.

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You've never jamokes.

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Oh, all right, no old, did you just make that up?

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not at all I, I'm old, I know you like to tell me?

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That I know.

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So, anyways, all we're saying is bear with, bear with us as we grow, because we're learning too.

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Yeah.

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And I know there's a lot of other podcasts and video podcasts out there, but we appreciate anyone who listens and watches us.

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Yes, thank you so much, thank you very much.

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So cheers to you as well, and I'm going to take another sip of my Thunder Punch after I burp that one out.

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Holy balls.

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Oh, that's so good Do you have a question for me today.

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I don't what the fuck.

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You know why.

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Because you don't remember.

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No, because my story is a little long, oh dear.

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So I'm actually not going to go into a question.

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I should have brought a pillow.

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No, no.

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Okay.

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Yes no, no, okay, yes, we're gonna talk about, yes, charles light holler light holler l-i-g-h-t light and holla aller aller o-l-l-e-r light without the h.

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Okay, charles light holler, charles Lightoller.

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Lightoller.

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Lightoller.

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Lightoller.

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Lightoller.

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Anyways, lightoller, charles.

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Okay, let's go with Chuck, chuck.

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He was born on March 30th.

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Okay 1874.

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That is a long time ago, yeah.

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He was born in Lancashire.

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Is that how you say that Lancashire?

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Yeah, it's not Lancashire, it's like Lancashire.

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I mean it could be, could be, but I don't think it is.

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To somebody it might be, I mean, I'm British, are you Lancashire?

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How's that go?

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Lancashire, lancashire, lancashire, lancashire.

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He had some deep roots in the cotton mills.

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Okay, so he's from the south.

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Of Lancashire.

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Where is that?

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London or England.

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Oh.

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Lancashire yeah.

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Okay, you didn't say that you said I'm British.

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Have you ever heard of Lancashire?

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Like two seconds ago.

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I did it's in England, okay, yeah.

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Is it like near jolly old England?

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Everyone refers to it.

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I mean it is in jolly old England.

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I don't know where it is in.

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England.

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So where is it compared to actually like London?

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Lancashire.

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That was not a part of her research.

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Why would it have been?

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because I don't know of some random fucking place in england.

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I know where london is oh, it's a it living in a county, okay, so it's like directly in the middle of england.

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Okay, to the west, it's like a west coast, so like closer to ireland, correct?

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Okay, gotcha, all right, let's move on from this, okay, okay.

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So, in essence, In Essex.

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Essex is in what?

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Chorley Chorley, Lancashire.

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Chorley Chorley, Lancashire.

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Sounds like you're having a stroke when you say that.

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Okay, let's just move on, shall we.

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Charles lost his mother to scarlet fever um right after his birth and at the age of 10 his father moved to new zealand, oh wow, leaving him in the care of his extended family.

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Charles's extended family so his dad just said peace out, I'm going to new zealand yeah, and there was so.

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Okay, rewind.

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I read a book.

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I don't know, was it about this?

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It was.

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Okay, it's called.

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I don't want to give it away.

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I won't give away the title because it kind of gives it away a little bit.

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Yeah, don't do that, we don't want that.

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But it is by Charles Lightoller, so it's an autobiography.

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Oh, he wrote a book.

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Okay, he did Gotcha.

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So he actually didn't say why his father went to New Zealand.

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Okay, just that his father kind of exhausted his time in the cotton fields, like he was, just like I've maxed out in my efforts apparently went to New Zealand.

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I mean, I feel like I've done that in a lot of aspects of life.

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Can we just like Can.

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I just say no, move countries Apparently.

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That's what this fucker did, yeah, so how could you leave your kid like that?

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Was he an only child?

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I don't know he didn't talk about his family really I mean talked about his dad he didn't talk about his family.

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Really, that's so funny that is odd.

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So maybe he was an only kid, but I'm just speculating obviously.

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So at 13 years old he decided no way am I going to run these Lancashire cotton fields.

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I don't want to do what my dad did.

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Okay.

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So he signs up for a four-year apprenticeship on a ship.

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What ship was it?

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It's called the Primrose.

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Hill primrose.

00:14:46.106 --> 00:14:47.230
Yeah, what is that?

00:14:47.230 --> 00:14:50.865
Like the primrose line, sorry davinci code, anyways.

00:14:50.865 --> 00:14:53.451
Um wait, that's not.

00:14:54.172 --> 00:14:58.131
I probably got that wrong so he was all like let's, let's just jump into the deep end.

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Um, I don't want to be in the field, so let's be on the sea, okay I mean, that's quite a change.

00:15:02.745 --> 00:15:32.249
That's literally the opposite so charles does say, quote my first voyage horribly seasick, oh I bet, and sick of the sea end quote I don't think they had dramamine back then, so they just I need that like shot up into my veins when I'm on the sea oh wow, yeah, I just take a dram, not dramamine I take that I I get that from my phagia phagia, you get the dramamine from your, from your dad probably too.

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He's usually stocked up.

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Shout out to kate's dad for the dramamine so his life on like the primrose hill was essentially like ski sea school for him.

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Okay.

00:15:45.640 --> 00:15:53.299
That's literally where he learned the ropes, and I think that's an idiom that I said to you after I did this research Learn the ropes.

00:15:53.379 --> 00:15:54.787
I think you did say that to me, yeah.

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His second voyage was on the Holt Hill.

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Holt Hill Is that a ship?

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Yes, and they went to Rio.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

00:16:03.325 --> 00:16:05.450
You said second voyage yes, and they went to Rio.

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Oh, I'm sorry, you said second voyage.

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Yes, okay, my apologies, so not just beaches and sunshine down in Rio, like Rio de Janeiro.

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They actually had a smallpox outbreak down there.

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Oh, so it was a large smallpox outbreak.

00:16:19.520 --> 00:16:21.284
It was a large smallpox.

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People are dying.

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I shouldn't be laughing at people dying.

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No medicine, no doctors.

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People are dying.

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I shouldn't be laughing at people dying.

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No medicine, no doctors.

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Where'd they all go?

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nada, they didn't exist on this ship, oh, oh, you're saying on the ship.

00:16:33.470 --> 00:16:36.182
How could you sail without a doctor on the ship?

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I don't know how that works I don't either, because I'm not what you would call a seafaring person yeah, but um, I find that odd, even for eight wait.

00:16:46.235 --> 00:16:48.100
So you said what year he was born.

00:16:48.100 --> 00:16:51.628
Right, it was 1874 so what year is this?

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oh, he's 13 years old when he goes to the primrose hill and this is his second voyage all right, so 1887 1888 so maybe 15.

00:17:01.595 --> 00:17:05.424
It's kind of weird how 1888 keeps coming back in our episodes.

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It's not planned.

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I know it's not.

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That's the funny thing.

00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:15.653
Okay, so Light Taller is attending all these little burial services at sea because of the smallpox outbreak.

00:17:15.653 --> 00:17:16.634
Sure, that makes sense.

00:17:16.634 --> 00:17:21.471
The captain of the ship, jock Sutherland, jock Uh-huh.

00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:22.303
That's a strong name.

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He's like the guy.

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He is a legend and a complete madman, yes, so is he a madman or madman man?

00:17:32.750 --> 00:17:43.930
Okay he'd sail through storms with the ship, practically I was gonna say driving sailing sideways, waves crashing everywhere.

00:17:43.930 --> 00:17:48.596
Lytler says it was absolutely terrifying, but equally thrilling Right.

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And Jock, this Jock guy.

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He was so confident in his ship that he wouldn't let anyone even think about taking down a sail.

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Okay.

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They're like no, we're not, we're not making camp here, we're going through this.

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How would you make camp?

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in the water.

00:18:05.019 --> 00:18:08.509
Okay, that was just a euphemism and I just came up with it myself.

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I'm sorry.

00:18:09.339 --> 00:18:24.265
So Jock Sutherland, the captain Jock, he was such a madman, he actually pulled a gun on the crew once, oh shit, just to make sure that they would not lower the sails so they like hey man, I'm fucking serious about this.

00:18:24.465 --> 00:18:27.367
Wow, Okay, so he was not joking around.

00:18:28.288 --> 00:18:31.050
And the voyages that they're on with this captain.

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They lose a guy overboard in a storm, they lose a couple of masts in another Absolute chaos on this ship, wow.

00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:47.555
And basically it's like Lightoller's getting getting his additional hardcore sailor training on this ship Right.

00:18:47.555 --> 00:18:54.041
So he's learning about the limits of the ship, the limits of the captain's nerve even it's dangerous.

00:18:54.041 --> 00:19:01.234
But there's also this sense that he's learning from the best, even if the best is a little bit of a lunatic.

00:19:02.740 --> 00:19:03.685
Well, it seems that way.

00:19:03.685 --> 00:19:05.884
Good lord, little bit of a lunatic, well it seems that way.

00:19:05.944 --> 00:19:12.215
Good lord, his captain was pushing the ship a little bit too hard, even though they were barely loaded, and it was a blowing gale.

00:19:12.537 --> 00:19:17.048
Yeah, massive windstorm right hey, gail, we got that back too.

00:19:17.107 --> 00:19:20.423
So they're tearing along at this crazy speed on the on the ocean.

00:19:20.423 --> 00:19:23.954
Okay, 13 and a half knots, which apparently is pretty fast.

00:19:24.135 --> 00:19:33.444
I don't know, I don't think it's very fast at all, but that's coming from a car point of view I have heard that that's, uh, at least 12 knots faster than one and a half knots, so that's pretty fast.

00:19:33.444 --> 00:19:49.785
I I wish I understood like that lingo better, because I've heard it for quite some time I want to say it's about 25 miles an hour yeah, but on water.

00:19:49.805 --> 00:20:04.548
That's so much faster feeling than 25 miles in a car I'm gonna look it up real quick because that's what I'm saying, like it doesn't seem fast but it on the water, it's fast 13 knots maybe to me it is two miles per hour.

00:20:06.932 --> 00:20:08.775
15 it's only 15.

00:20:08.775 --> 00:20:14.263
Yeah, yeah, but for 1888, shout out to that year again.

00:20:14.263 --> 00:20:17.569
Um, that's pretty fast supposedly.

00:20:18.332 --> 00:20:28.275
well, that's what they say, so maybe it is, and we just, we just don't know, because we're on the ground and it seems really slow, because I went 90 today to get down here.

00:20:29.921 --> 00:20:31.405
But we're not on the ground, we're on the second floor.

00:20:31.405 --> 00:20:32.769
Okay, anyways.

00:20:33.901 --> 00:20:56.165
So the ship's all over the place, going 13 and a half knots, the crew is struggling to keep it safe and neither the captain nor the mate wants to be the first to say maybe we should slow down oh really, but he was just gung-ho they were stubborn well, and then there's like shock stubborn, or was he?

00:20:56.406 --> 00:20:58.852
oh for sure he was stubborn he was stubborn.

00:20:58.872 --> 00:21:01.604
He's like now we got this, this ship has got this we're.

00:21:01.604 --> 00:21:05.191
But then this rain squall happened.

00:21:05.612 --> 00:21:06.073
Oh shit.

00:21:06.212 --> 00:21:08.124
Yeah, they can't see anything.

00:21:08.124 --> 00:21:10.931
And suddenly there's land right in front of them.

00:21:10.931 --> 00:21:15.430
Oh, they're going way too fast to avoid it, right?

00:21:15.430 --> 00:21:16.726
What does this sound like to you?

00:21:18.580 --> 00:21:21.170
It sounds like maybe.

00:21:21.380 --> 00:21:23.847
A ship going too fast and it's going to run into something.

00:21:23.989 --> 00:21:26.406
Yeah, they're going to be like the Titanic.

00:21:26.567 --> 00:21:28.105
Yeah, that's what it sounds like, right.

00:21:28.421 --> 00:21:29.906
At first I went with Gilgan's Island.

00:21:29.906 --> 00:21:32.125
I've never seen that show.

00:21:32.125 --> 00:21:34.993
I grew up on that stuff because I'm old yeah.

00:21:36.340 --> 00:21:38.208
So they're going too fast to avoid it, right?

00:21:38.208 --> 00:21:43.932
And just this moment of like pure panicked realization that they're about to crash.

00:21:43.992 --> 00:21:44.232
Okay.

00:21:45.681 --> 00:21:48.950
They of like pure panicked realization that they're about to crash.

00:21:48.970 --> 00:21:51.798
Okay, they're gonna run aground, things go south real fast, okay, even though they're going west.

00:21:51.798 --> 00:21:53.402
I was gonna say something, but I'm glad you did.

00:21:53.402 --> 00:21:58.794
That was great, well done okay.

00:21:58.854 --> 00:22:10.472
So the captain's having to decide between smashing into the rock sideways, right, which means which means everyone is probably dead or just running her straight aground.

00:22:10.472 --> 00:22:11.915
Right, okay, right.

00:22:11.915 --> 00:22:18.993
So my research brought me to the point of talk about a rock in a hard place.

00:22:22.662 --> 00:22:23.445
Oh, that's great.

00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:25.278
Lightoller is up on deck, okay, and land is up on deck.

00:22:25.278 --> 00:22:28.388
Okay, and land is like looming over them.

00:22:28.388 --> 00:22:31.695
Giant waves are tossing around the ship like a toy.

00:22:31.695 --> 00:22:37.223
Okay, and he's saying it's like waiting for a train wreck, like he's visualizing.

00:22:37.223 --> 00:22:39.328
This land is getting closer.

00:22:39.328 --> 00:22:41.212
It is windy, it is rainy.

00:22:41.212 --> 00:22:42.303
I can't see shit.

00:22:42.303 --> 00:22:43.606
Right, here we go.

00:22:44.349 --> 00:22:57.130
Well, yeah, I mean, you're going that fast, you're gonna, you're gonna fuck some shit up they hit it of course they hit land, he light color describes it as utterly alien feeling, a shudder that goes right through you.

00:22:58.152 --> 00:23:01.983
And he's just a kid yeah, because he said he would be 15 at this point.

00:23:01.983 --> 00:23:03.988
Right, right, ish, ish give or take, yeah, yeah.

00:23:04.608 --> 00:23:10.428
And he's thinking his little life is about to end His little life and you can just feel like this sheer.

00:23:10.840 --> 00:23:13.088
It's so cute how you refer to it, his little life.

00:23:14.181 --> 00:23:17.451
This gut-wrenching helplessness in his words.

00:23:17.451 --> 00:23:23.083
It's not just a shipwreck, it's like a front row seat to watching your demise.

00:23:23.143 --> 00:23:26.247
No kidding, especially in a land that you're not familiar with.

00:23:26.247 --> 00:23:29.450
Yes, you said they're going to Rio for this.

00:23:29.549 --> 00:23:31.592
They're around Rio, okay.

00:23:31.592 --> 00:23:35.896
So after the initial crash, things got worse.

00:23:35.896 --> 00:23:37.681
I mean, usually does.

00:23:37.681 --> 00:23:47.128
The ship basically gets wedged between huge rocks and the ocean oh, I was going to say in a hard place Just starting to tear it apart from the back end.

00:23:47.128 --> 00:23:51.288
Ooh, so Lightoller gets knocked out by flying debris.

00:23:51.288 --> 00:23:52.171
Oh, shit.

00:23:52.861 --> 00:23:54.145
Sounds terrifying.

00:23:54.145 --> 00:24:00.351
Yes, he wakes up and this whole ordeal of being thrown onto the rocks.

00:24:00.351 --> 00:24:07.881
He's talking about how close he is to breaking his legs by being tossed onto these rocks.

00:24:07.881 --> 00:24:18.348
He's almost drowns as well, sure as the waves are like pulling him back out into the sea undertow, kind of thing yeah, he loses his shoes in the process.

00:24:18.348 --> 00:24:32.336
I don't know how the ocean unties his shoes, but whatever well, I mean maybe at a buckle but after that he sees another guy okay have to climb this slick, pitch black rock face in the freezing rain.

00:24:33.258 --> 00:24:39.740
One thing after another, just this total nightmare you can see, like this raw, desperate struggle for survival, right, okay.

00:24:39.740 --> 00:24:46.010
So he, he's fighting for his life, like clinging on to these rocks.

00:24:46.010 --> 00:24:52.749
He almost gets pulled back into the sea and they, they actually end up losing one of his mates.

00:24:52.749 --> 00:25:08.925
Oh shit what was his name fuck if I know, but apparently people liked him light, taller, liked him a lot well, not enough to know his name nope, but the ship is gone so how, how much?

00:25:09.106 --> 00:25:13.134
did it like just break up on impact, basically, yeah, okay yeah, it's just on.

00:25:13.942 --> 00:25:15.285
I was gonna say uninhabitable.

00:25:15.285 --> 00:25:16.827
That's not right.

00:25:16.827 --> 00:25:17.229
I mean it's.

00:25:17.229 --> 00:25:20.784
You're not wrong, I'm not, because they technically lived on this ship.

00:25:20.784 --> 00:25:22.807
I have to spread my legs, that's fine.

00:25:22.807 --> 00:25:25.714
Oh my gosh, okay, stretch.

00:25:25.714 --> 00:25:30.125
So he watches it as the sea breaks it apart.

00:25:30.125 --> 00:25:34.356
The masts are falling, the whole back end is sinking.

00:25:34.356 --> 00:25:42.509
He describes it as a volcanic wasteland of an island that he's on, which adds to the whole.

00:25:42.648 --> 00:25:48.882
We're stranded and it's awful vibe well, yeah, I mean, you're in a place you have no idea.

00:25:48.882 --> 00:25:51.009
You literally just crashed into it.

00:25:51.009 --> 00:25:53.960
That's got to be fucking terrifying he's climbing.

00:25:54.520 --> 00:26:01.233
He's trying to climb these like rock faces, these cliffs, um dodging rocks falling all around them.

00:26:01.233 --> 00:26:01.741
It's never.

00:26:01.741 --> 00:26:06.357
It's like a never-ending series of little near-death experiences.

00:26:06.377 --> 00:26:06.819
Right, yeah.

00:26:07.421 --> 00:26:15.887
And the ship is just completely falling apart before their eyes Then, as if it wasn't enough, well, what else can there be?

00:26:15.887 --> 00:26:19.871
This island that they ran into is deserted.

00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:23.729
Well, I guess at least there's not locals that would want to kill them.

00:26:24.230 --> 00:26:24.631
That's fair.

00:26:24.631 --> 00:26:32.280
I mean right.

00:26:32.280 --> 00:26:33.323
So it's actually in the indian ocean.

00:26:33.323 --> 00:26:34.526
I thought they were going to rio, so we were moving from rio.

00:26:34.546 --> 00:26:35.007
Oh, to the indian ocean.

00:26:35.007 --> 00:26:39.040
I guess I either missed that or wasn't informed of that portion of the story.

00:26:39.040 --> 00:26:40.002
You were not informed.

00:26:40.002 --> 00:26:41.967
All right, you're welcome.

00:26:41.967 --> 00:26:43.269
Thank you for that.

00:26:43.369 --> 00:26:45.433
Hey, I haven't read this story in three weeks.

00:26:45.433 --> 00:26:49.367
I am flying by the absolute seat of my pants here.

00:26:50.088 --> 00:26:50.750
That's an idiom.

00:26:50.750 --> 00:26:54.807
Oh yeah, Look at us uncover shit.

00:26:55.421 --> 00:26:56.285
Where is Rio?

00:26:58.061 --> 00:27:00.387
Is that Africa, south Africa, rio de Janeiro.

00:27:00.509 --> 00:27:01.391
That's South Africa.

00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:03.424
That's South America, isn't it?

00:27:03.424 --> 00:27:04.267
Fuck Rio de Janeiro.

00:27:04.267 --> 00:27:04.406
That's.

00:27:06.432 --> 00:27:08.498
South Africa, that's South America, isn't it?

00:27:08.498 --> 00:27:09.180
Fuck Rio De Janeiro.

00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:11.286
A city in Brazil.

00:27:11.286 --> 00:27:12.249
We're both wrong.

00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:15.650
Yeah, South America is what I said.

00:27:15.650 --> 00:27:19.566
Where the fuck is Brazil, Not Africa?

00:27:19.566 --> 00:27:21.904
No, in South America.

00:27:21.904 --> 00:27:24.791
Like I said, Wow.

00:27:24.791 --> 00:27:28.710
I'd like to reiterate we are buffoons.

00:27:30.461 --> 00:27:31.385
Holy shit.

00:27:31.385 --> 00:27:33.748
Well, they're in the Indian Ocean at this point.

00:27:34.820 --> 00:27:36.307
That's quite a fucking detour.

00:27:36.579 --> 00:27:38.374
They made a big detour.

00:27:38.374 --> 00:27:40.055
They made a big detour, okay.

00:27:40.055 --> 00:27:45.752
So maybe my next topic should be something about geography.

00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:50.412
Maybe your next topic should be read prior to this reading.

00:27:54.029 --> 00:27:56.039
I haven't wrote this in three weeks ago.

00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:57.224
You've had it for a long time.

00:27:57.224 --> 00:27:57.727
I get it.

00:27:57.727 --> 00:28:05.032
I'd like to if we haven't already said it on this podcast, I'd like to bring a little insight to Kate.

00:28:05.032 --> 00:28:09.747
She doesn't remember shit, so she wrote this three weeks ago.

00:28:09.747 --> 00:28:18.473
It might as well has been three years ago, because she has the memory of uh, fucking ant yeah Something.

00:28:18.473 --> 00:28:20.502
Yeah, ferret, maybe an ant ferret.

00:28:20.502 --> 00:28:22.327
Let's, let's combine them.

00:28:22.407 --> 00:28:39.079
New species, fuck Like a jackalope okay, so this dessert yes okay, this tiny deserted island, yes, it's called saint paul's island and it's in the indian ocean.

00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:42.426
Okay do you ever find it weird that deserted islands have a fucking name?

00:28:42.487 --> 00:28:48.465
okay, they have a name but like they know it's there but it's uninhabited, not not?

00:28:48.886 --> 00:28:56.171
I get that unknown I get that uninhabited okay, but I just find it funny because, like they have this, they're like yeah, just call fucking saint paul.

00:28:56.171 --> 00:29:02.411
Okay, put it on the map, sir okay get the cartographer.

00:29:02.570 --> 00:29:32.732
We need a new map so this place yeah, sorry no lush landscapes, no sandy beaches, just rock jagged rock the weather conditions were described as cold and raw okay constant threats of rain and wind and the island's inaccessibility because of all the rock Right and the constant threat of the sea created this profound isolation and danger.

00:29:32.732 --> 00:29:34.541
But we're not done on this island.

00:29:34.663 --> 00:29:35.223
I hope not.

00:29:35.223 --> 00:29:39.570
St Paul, indian Ocean, not in Rio.

00:29:39.891 --> 00:29:40.732
There were birds.

00:29:41.314 --> 00:29:41.954
How many birds?

00:29:42.941 --> 00:29:43.924
Not just any bird.

00:29:44.205 --> 00:29:47.980
Peacocks, albatrosses.

00:29:47.980 --> 00:29:48.702
I fucking love albat, love elba.

00:29:48.702 --> 00:29:49.445
There's a really good song by a band.

00:29:49.445 --> 00:29:54.987
I'm drawing a blank on their name of the band right now, give me a sec, but their name, the name of the song, is albatross wonderful.

00:29:55.769 --> 00:30:01.483
Okay, so in this book, in this book quote god damn it.

00:30:01.503 --> 00:30:02.886
Why can't I remember the name of the band?

00:30:02.886 --> 00:30:06.294
Wonderful fuck, that's gonna annoy me.

00:30:06.294 --> 00:30:07.442
The rest is goddamn.

00:30:07.481 --> 00:30:10.868
Episode now okay yes light taller says.

00:30:10.868 --> 00:30:34.876
Quote it is a well-known fact that a that to a man fallen overboard, yes, an albatross can and will drive his beak clean through a man's skull whilst swooping past in the air End.

00:30:34.876 --> 00:30:41.132
Quote Dear so massive albatrosses, albatry.

00:30:46.882 --> 00:30:50.285
I have no idea, because albatross are fucking huge.

00:30:50.505 --> 00:30:54.082
And they smell dinner Well yeah, they have, did you?

00:30:55.461 --> 00:30:56.325
I already know the answer.

00:30:56.325 --> 00:30:57.809
I'm going to ask it anyways.

00:30:57.809 --> 00:31:00.326
Have you ever seen what their wingspan is?

00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:03.769
Let me go back to my Disney days.

00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:04.781
Disney.

00:31:04.781 --> 00:31:09.342
Of the Resuers um was there an albatross in the rescuers?

00:31:09.402 --> 00:31:14.452
yeah, the little mice got on the albatross is that what the that?

00:31:14.452 --> 00:31:17.305
Was their plane their plane.

00:31:18.006 --> 00:31:19.970
It's been a minute since I've watched I.

00:31:19.970 --> 00:31:24.987
I love that movie as a kid, though um I mean rescuers down under.

00:31:25.007 --> 00:31:28.185
Down Under was great as well, but the original.

00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:29.384
The original is so much better.

00:31:29.384 --> 00:31:35.467
It was great when you go to the zoo, the Milwaukee County Zoo, they're in the.

00:31:35.467 --> 00:31:37.930
I think it's the birdhouse, whatever.

00:31:38.471 --> 00:31:39.352
Apiary Aviary.

00:31:40.153 --> 00:31:40.554
Apiary.

00:31:40.554 --> 00:31:48.689
Why don't you look that up while I finish what it's saying, what I was gonna say, apiary that's a beehive, god damn it.

00:31:49.330 --> 00:31:52.538
And you're a bee lover, shush, I don't have an apiary.

00:31:52.538 --> 00:31:54.561
I never said you did aviary.

00:31:54.561 --> 00:31:58.705
Yeah, fine, it's aviary are you sure?

00:31:59.227 --> 00:32:00.808
did you look it up okay?

00:32:01.189 --> 00:32:04.353
apiaries, beads, bees, beads.

00:32:04.353 --> 00:32:06.434
God, how many.

00:32:06.434 --> 00:32:08.017
How much alcohol is in this thing?

00:32:08.441 --> 00:32:11.547
5.6 or 7 I have no excuse, you really don't.

00:32:11.547 --> 00:32:12.769
There's not much in there.

00:32:12.769 --> 00:32:15.741
Continue, I don't fucking know.

00:32:15.741 --> 00:32:18.449
Oh great, oh, you're like.

00:32:18.449 --> 00:32:19.531
I hope he doesn't remember it.

00:32:19.531 --> 00:32:20.213
Fuck he does.

00:32:20.213 --> 00:32:24.243
Anyways, they have, um, like on a wall.

00:32:24.243 --> 00:32:28.292
They have like a big board with different birds on it with their wingspan.

00:32:28.292 --> 00:32:31.828
Yeah, and I remember always seeing the albatross and it's fucking huge.

00:32:31.828 --> 00:32:33.112
Yeah, it's enormous.

00:32:33.961 --> 00:32:36.423
Bigger than the bald eagle, oh yeah.

00:32:37.730 --> 00:32:40.949
Oh, wow, yeah, like at least an inch bigger.

00:32:41.380 --> 00:32:49.304
And these little mice are like let's go go, albatross I almost unalived a bald eagle once driving.

00:32:49.744 --> 00:32:51.248
Oh, he fucking flew right in front of me.

00:32:51.248 --> 00:32:52.109
What a dick.

00:32:52.109 --> 00:32:58.727
Okay, let's move on america okay yeah these albatross says I'll try.

00:32:58.727 --> 00:33:04.575
I'm sticking with it full-on avian assault Just death from above.

00:33:04.779 --> 00:33:06.728
They trapped these people.

00:33:06.728 --> 00:33:08.926
These sailors are trapped against a cliff.

00:33:09.106 --> 00:33:09.429
Sure.

00:33:09.548 --> 00:33:13.589
Cliff, and they're trying to defend themselves from these birds.

00:33:13.589 --> 00:33:18.009
Yeah, for the next half hour, oh shit.

00:33:18.009 --> 00:33:22.090
It's an insane battle between man and bird.

00:33:22.090 --> 00:33:28.510
Albatross's huge wings span 20 feet ish give or take.

00:33:28.510 --> 00:33:36.823
Oh so you do have it, 20 feet give or take ish they are trying to steal food right right and they're diving at these sailors faces.

00:33:36.823 --> 00:33:39.528
Oh god, okay, so they're whack.

00:33:39.528 --> 00:33:47.026
These sailors are whacking them with sticks anything they can find basically basically oh yeah, wow, they managed to knock one down.

00:33:47.567 --> 00:33:47.928
Okay.

00:33:47.968 --> 00:33:54.095
And then stabbing the albatross with a knife, which was the only way to keep them down.

00:33:55.056 --> 00:33:55.355
Sure.

00:33:56.579 --> 00:33:57.082
What did they?

00:33:57.082 --> 00:34:00.151
They finally had a little bit of food, I guess.

00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:02.146
Well, I mean, there's got to be a good amount of meat on an albatross.

00:34:02.146 --> 00:34:02.971
They're pretty fucking big birds, I guess.

00:34:02.971 --> 00:34:04.480
Well, I mean there's got to be a good amount of meat on an albatross.

00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:06.086
They're pretty fucking big birds.

00:34:06.185 --> 00:34:06.888
I suppose.

00:34:06.888 --> 00:34:14.144
But in this like messy, chaotic fight they actually managed to hold on to the wet food they had, because the ship was going down.

00:34:14.144 --> 00:34:15.329
They had to save what they can, right.

00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:18.804
Well, yeah, they're trying for survival, so it makes sense.

00:34:18.980 --> 00:34:20.161
They have a few battle scars.

00:34:20.161 --> 00:34:20.902
I'm not going to lie.

00:34:21.043 --> 00:34:22.947
Well, right, beak through the face.

00:34:22.947 --> 00:34:27.034
Sounds tragic, sounds fucking terrible.

00:34:27.034 --> 00:34:31.862
But eventually these sailors were rescued after eight days.

00:34:31.862 --> 00:34:35.873
Oh, so they're on the St Paul Island that's uninhabited for eight fucking days.

00:34:37.081 --> 00:34:39.268
And they eventually make it back to England.

00:34:39.268 --> 00:34:41.364
Oh wow, at this time he's 16.

00:34:42.148 --> 00:34:42.389
Okay.

00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:46.380
So I did write that down 1888 to 1889.

00:34:46.380 --> 00:34:49.047
After the disaster of Holy Hill.

00:34:49.047 --> 00:34:51.989
Okay, so that's Holt Hill.

00:34:51.989 --> 00:34:55.809
Sorry, Holy Hill is a place in Wisconsin, it sure is.

00:34:55.940 --> 00:34:57.045
It's got a beautiful church.

00:34:57.219 --> 00:34:59.101
I'm going to rewrite that Holt Hill, don't now.

00:34:59.181 --> 00:35:01.103
Okay, hold, till Don't now.

00:35:02.184 --> 00:35:09.733
Okay, we are going to count how many sea disasters Lightoller experiences.

00:35:10.393 --> 00:35:11.034
So we're at one.

00:35:11.315 --> 00:35:11.856
We're at one.

00:35:11.856 --> 00:35:17.284
I'm guessing, there's at least two, considering we're only on page three.

00:35:17.284 --> 00:35:25.072
Oh geez, Buckle in folks, we're in for a wild ride Lightoller goes back to his first ship, the Primrose Hill.

00:35:25.092 --> 00:35:25.733
Okay.

00:35:26.574 --> 00:35:29.115
And he earns his second mate certificate.

00:35:29.115 --> 00:35:33.309
So what does that entail?

00:35:33.871 --> 00:35:37.423
He has a bigger title, he's got a bigger certificate.

00:35:37.423 --> 00:35:38.246
Sorry, I asked that question.

00:35:38.626 --> 00:35:51.164
And here, yes, on this, this day, this ship, oh, primrose Hill, the second time around yes, he encounters sharks, oh dear.

00:35:51.164 --> 00:35:52.827
And he's got the wounds to prove it.

00:35:52.827 --> 00:35:55.112
Oh really, oh yeah, oh shit.

00:35:55.112 --> 00:35:57.681
Yeah, he's been bitten by sharks what kind of?

00:35:57.722 --> 00:36:06.514
sharks, the ones that swim in the ocean, all of them tell me a shark that swims on land and I will shut the fuck up.

00:36:06.574 --> 00:36:24.572
Baby shark, whatever, yeah, okay, so I'm actually not going to go into the whole shark story because there's too many stories to tell, but he has wrestled sharks, he's been bitten by sharks and he's rescued other seamen from sharks how do you think a taps out With its dorsal fin or its tail fin?

00:36:24.572 --> 00:36:28.000
I would say maybe his snout.

00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:34.291
So can I say I am so glad that Vesper has never got into baby shark.

00:36:34.291 --> 00:36:37.172
Let's keep it that way, like her big brother did.

00:36:37.172 --> 00:36:38.119
Let's keep it that way.

00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:39.666
Xavier loved that when he was little.

00:36:39.666 --> 00:36:42.027
Super glad she has not.

00:36:42.619 --> 00:37:05.228
She knows of it, but she's not like baby shark remember that video that she always watched about the bunnies, like the goodnight bunnies or something yeah that was in my head for a while okay, anyways so light holler yes after his second mate, second mate certificate, yeah, and he gets bitten by a shark.

00:37:05.228 --> 00:37:08.101
He gets on the ship the night of St Michael.

00:37:08.384 --> 00:37:11.467
So where did he get bit though Leg Arm?

00:37:11.981 --> 00:37:12.885
No, he's on the ship.

00:37:19.262 --> 00:37:22.242
He doesn't say I'd like to put this out there again.

00:37:22.242 --> 00:37:23.804
I think it was on his arm.

00:37:23.804 --> 00:37:24.940
Anyone needs a podcast.

00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:29.527
Host shush okay, he's on.

00:37:29.527 --> 00:37:34.474
He's on the ship night of the saint michael so the shark jumped on the ship.

00:37:35.240 --> 00:37:36.722
I'm still, I'm still confused.

00:37:36.762 --> 00:37:45.295
Okay, I'm kidding, keep going so the book that I read is called Blank and Other Ships.

00:37:45.295 --> 00:37:48.447
I'm leaving out the blank because it gives it away.

00:37:48.447 --> 00:37:49.050
That's fine.

00:37:49.050 --> 00:37:52.387
Blank and Other Ships Okay, he's talking about his life on ships.

00:37:52.387 --> 00:37:56.219
He gets bitten by a shark, but it's not about the shark, it's about the ships?

00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:57.601
Did he die on the Titanic?

00:37:58.764 --> 00:37:58.985
No.

00:37:59.286 --> 00:38:01.929
Okay, just making sure.

00:38:01.929 --> 00:38:02.952
No, that's a ship.

00:38:03.873 --> 00:38:05.702
Yes, okay.

00:38:05.702 --> 00:38:08.329
So night of the St Michael ship.

00:38:08.329 --> 00:38:14.731
They're hauling coal which, turn out, can just spontaneously catch fire.

00:38:14.731 --> 00:38:20.570
Oh boo, after weeks of brutal storms, this is exactly what happens.

00:38:20.570 --> 00:38:23.260
Okay, the ship's beat up from the gales.

00:38:23.260 --> 00:38:29.356
Now they've got this fucking fire burning in the cargo hold yeah, and how the fuck are you gonna put that out?

00:38:29.356 --> 00:38:40.914
They're basically sailing this time bomb, and then they don't have enough lifeboats for anybody sounds like the titanic sounds like it like taller describes this constant, gnawing fear.

00:38:41.657 --> 00:38:44.166
They're all just waiting for this ship to go up in flames.

00:38:44.166 --> 00:38:45.021
They aren't sleeping.

00:38:45.021 --> 00:38:48.416
Every creek, every whiff of smoke, everybody goes into a panic.

00:38:48.456 --> 00:39:01.101
They're all obsessed checking this fire, trying to keep it under control right and because they're so short on lifeboats, they're working like crazy to keep the ship moving, hoping to reach land before they're all cooked to death.

00:39:01.101 --> 00:39:05.632
Well right, they're tweaking every, they're trying to squeeze out every last bit of speed.

00:39:05.632 --> 00:39:07.347
It's super intense, super drawn out.

00:39:07.347 --> 00:39:10.389
They've got this fire right, breathing down their neck literally.

00:39:10.389 --> 00:39:14.704
Finally they see land.

00:39:14.704 --> 00:39:16.188
Oh, thank God.

00:39:16.409 --> 00:39:17.110
St Paul Island.

00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:19.827
Massive wave of relief.

00:39:19.827 --> 00:39:23.869
I bet they're not going to burn after all.

00:39:23.869 --> 00:39:25.123
Well, potentially.

00:39:25.123 --> 00:39:32.532
But Leard toller helped with the fire, he put out the fire, he helped put out the fire and he got promoted again so what?

00:39:32.592 --> 00:39:34.085
what certificate did you get this time?

00:39:34.085 --> 00:39:38.880
Fuck, if I know, okay by the time he's 21 oh shit, we jumping ahead, oh yeah.

00:39:39.742 --> 00:39:46.894
So that was like two ships, kind of yeah it, yeah it didn't burn down, but it might as well have, but he saved it.

00:39:46.894 --> 00:39:53.911
By the time he's 21, he's seen more out of life than most people.

00:39:53.911 --> 00:40:13.811
Yes, Okay, he leaves the sailing ships for steamships, oh, but even then he almost kicks the bucket from fucking malaria off the west coast of africa that fucking malaria at one point his temp was 106.2 degrees.

00:40:13.811 --> 00:40:18.103
Oh jesus, fahrenheit, people what's it in celsius?

00:40:19.326 --> 00:40:22.170
bradley you brought up fahrenheit.

00:40:22.170 --> 00:40:27.427
If anyone had to fucking question that, I expected you to have an answer for Celsius.

00:40:27.427 --> 00:40:28.911
Hold, please.

00:40:30.041 --> 00:40:31.503
I don't wanna.

00:40:31.543 --> 00:40:32.184
Then don't.

00:40:32.184 --> 00:40:40.967
Okay, I like how you prided yourself.

00:40:40.967 --> 00:40:47.925
I'm just gonna leave it at that.

00:40:47.925 --> 00:40:53.585
Even the buffoon sign is attacking Kate for this.

00:40:53.585 --> 00:40:59.367
Wow, can you fix it please?

00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:04.478
106 Fahrenheit is 41 degrees Celsius.

00:41:04.478 --> 00:41:05.824
I could have told you that.

00:41:06.851 --> 00:41:07.239
Shut up.

00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:08.746
I'm just kidding, I did not know.

00:41:09.923 --> 00:41:11.690
This is a disaster of an episode.

00:41:12.663 --> 00:41:14.309
That's why it's great we're recording it.

00:41:15.376 --> 00:41:16.780
Okay, it's not a disaster.

00:41:16.780 --> 00:41:21.719
His life is like a freaking adventure novel, like choose your own adventure novel.

00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:22.925
Have you ever had one of those?

00:41:23.099 --> 00:41:24.923
I used to love those when I was younger.

00:41:24.923 --> 00:41:29.572
I couldn't tell you a name of any of them, but yeah, I used.

00:41:29.572 --> 00:41:42.083
We used to read those all the time in like third, fourth, fifth grade, whatever the fuck it was but, yeah, love those okay, so after all these wild sea stories, yes, light taller, settle down.

00:41:42.083 --> 00:41:44.324
On a steamboat Exactly.

00:41:45.246 --> 00:41:46.626
He didn't go settle down.

00:41:46.847 --> 00:41:47.186
No.

00:41:47.666 --> 00:41:51.889
He decided to give up the water life for a little bit.

00:41:52.010 --> 00:41:52.409
Okay.

00:41:53.050 --> 00:41:59.114
He got this crazy idea to go to the Yukon why?

00:41:59.114 --> 00:42:04.898
Because he wanted to dig for gold a little bit, but it was a total bust.

00:42:11.481 --> 00:42:14.237
There's this whole thing about him hitching a ride from the Yukon to England.

00:42:14.237 --> 00:42:15.019
What the fuck Okay.

00:42:15.501 --> 00:42:18.431
He eventually got back to England by 1899.

00:42:18.431 --> 00:42:22.929
Total bust, it was like a year of worthless bullshit.

00:42:22.929 --> 00:42:27.168
So 1903, he's back on the water.

00:42:27.168 --> 00:42:29.840
He meets his wife sylvia.

00:42:30.322 --> 00:42:40.764
Oh, sylvia, nice, she's an australian oh shit, I mean kind of english in a way roundabout way they headed off, they get married in sydney and he takes her to england.

00:42:40.985 --> 00:42:57.947
Oh nice, okay, so here we go, lie taller yes spends nearly two decades oh shit, with the white star line which made the titanic it did make the titanic yes he was primarily on the atlantic service.

00:42:57.947 --> 00:43:03.202
Oh 15 of those years yes were dedicated to mail boats.

00:43:03.784 --> 00:43:14.032
Mail boats were essentially like past passenger liners oh so not like the opposite of female boats maio I got it.

00:43:15.253 --> 00:43:29.871
It was a poor joke, I admit it, but it was a joke nonetheless but it was kind of a demanding experience even for any resilient, experienced sailor Sure, Particularly during the harsh winters of the North Atlantic.

00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:31.586
Yeah, I can't imagine those were too easy.

00:43:32.500 --> 00:43:46.458
Ships grew larger, they grew faster, the dangers were intensified, right, the increased speed and size of the vessels, which resulted in more severe damage when they encountered heavy seas.

00:43:46.458 --> 00:43:59.755
Okay, and despite warnings to captains to exercise caution, the force of the waves combined with the ship's velocities increased hazardous situations.

00:43:59.755 --> 00:44:01.440
Ooh Gotcha, ooh gotcha.

00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:20.648
From second officer of the Oceanic White Starling Oceanic to first officer of the Majestic Okay, then temporarily chief of the Majestic, oh, and then back again, from second officer of the Oceanic to first officer of the Oceanic Okay, again.

00:44:20.648 --> 00:44:24.679
From second officer of the Oceanic to first officer of the Oceanic.

00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:27.583
Okay.

00:44:27.603 --> 00:44:30.786
Each one of those were like, little like over 15 years.

00:44:30.786 --> 00:44:33.170
That's where his progression was.

00:44:33.369 --> 00:44:35.253
Over the course of that 15 years, 15 years.

00:44:35.253 --> 00:44:35.753
Okay.

00:44:36.534 --> 00:44:37.516
Then yes.

00:44:37.516 --> 00:44:41.445
March 1912.

00:44:41.445 --> 00:44:41.646
Leitaler.

00:44:42.467 --> 00:44:42.728
Yes.

00:44:43.088 --> 00:44:44.572
Was assigned to the Titanic.

00:44:44.572 --> 00:44:48.461
I feel like someone brought this up.

00:44:48.461 --> 00:44:49.304
He didn't die.

00:44:49.304 --> 00:44:50.485
That's what you asked.

00:44:50.485 --> 00:44:53.311
He died on the Titanic.

00:44:53.411 --> 00:44:55.333
Did I say he died, something like that.

00:44:56.300 --> 00:44:57.867
Are you sure how I answered was correct though?

00:44:58.820 --> 00:44:59.682
It was truthful.

00:44:59.682 --> 00:45:01.849
Either way it was truthful.

00:45:01.849 --> 00:45:02.931
I was told I was wrong.

00:45:02.931 --> 00:45:05.121
I need another Thunder Punch.

00:45:05.682 --> 00:45:11.313
All right, Hold, please Hold please, and we're back.

00:45:11.916 --> 00:45:13.541
Sorry about that, I was thirsty.

00:45:15.217 --> 00:45:17.010
Okay, so he's on the Titanic in Belfast.

00:45:17.090 --> 00:45:19.177
What the fuck is going on with these cans.

00:45:19.771 --> 00:45:20.795
Did it spray again.

00:45:20.914 --> 00:45:21.597
Oh, my God, yes.

00:45:24.411 --> 00:45:25.175
Mine did too.

00:45:25.971 --> 00:45:27.175
I have to change my pants.

00:45:27.416 --> 00:45:27.958
All over.

00:45:27.958 --> 00:45:29.755
They're so full.

00:45:29.755 --> 00:45:32.980
Okay, look at how full this is, can you see?

00:45:33.409 --> 00:45:36.498
I can't, but I appreciate the attempt.

00:45:36.579 --> 00:45:37.181
Can you see?

00:45:38.210 --> 00:45:39.253
Holy shitballs.

00:45:39.454 --> 00:45:50.168
That's why, because they're so full, they're giving us our money's worth Titanic.

00:45:50.909 --> 00:45:51.369
Titanic.

00:45:51.550 --> 00:45:53.336
He is the first officer.

00:45:53.697 --> 00:45:54.320
First officer.

00:45:54.630 --> 00:45:55.094
For the sea trials.

00:45:55.094 --> 00:45:57.170
Okay, titanic, he is the first officer First officer For the sea trials, okay, okay.

00:45:57.170 --> 00:46:04.583
So the trials aim to test the Titanic's handling, maneuverability, speed and overall functionality.

00:46:04.583 --> 00:46:11.978
Right, okay, but the sea trials only lasted about 12 hours, oh, really, that's it Like I would expect like days weeks.

00:46:12.250 --> 00:46:13.456
I would expect at least a week.

00:46:13.730 --> 00:46:16.878
The ship reached speeds just under 21 knots.

00:46:17.139 --> 00:46:17.400
Okay.

00:46:18.550 --> 00:46:26.402
And there was also a crash stop test which resulted in the ship stopping at roughly 850 yards.

00:46:26.943 --> 00:46:28.465
Wow, Is that good?

00:46:32.291 --> 00:46:38.903
And even for a seasoned sailor like him, the ship was massive, right, massive, massive.

00:46:38.903 --> 00:46:44.541
He later said it took him two full weeks to even figure out how to get around the thing efficiently.

00:46:44.842 --> 00:46:45.824
Oh shit, yeah.

00:46:45.824 --> 00:46:48.117
Well, I mean, it was a huge fucking ship for them.

00:46:48.257 --> 00:46:53.653
Yeah, and just before they set sail, Captain Smith, he shakes things up.

00:46:53.653 --> 00:47:00.639
Captain Smith, he shakes things up, he brings in Henry Wilde from the Olympic ship as chief officer.

00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:01.840
Okay, which?

00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:09.106
So if Charles Lightoller's here, William Murdoch is here as chief officer.

00:47:09.106 --> 00:47:11.010
Gotcha Right.

00:47:11.010 --> 00:47:22.405
So Henry Wilde gets brought on as chief officer, which drops down William Murdoch to first officer and Lightoller to second officer.

00:47:22.405 --> 00:47:23.126
Gotcha Okay?

00:47:23.126 --> 00:47:26.860
So everybody was shifted down in rank.

00:47:27.179 --> 00:47:27.501
Okay.

00:47:27.581 --> 00:47:35.864
Okay, david Blair, who was the original second officer, gets bumped off the voyage entirely.

00:47:36.331 --> 00:47:37.514
Oh, that's got to.

00:47:37.514 --> 00:47:38.798
I mean kind of good.

00:47:39.431 --> 00:47:41.898
But he had the key to the binocular case.

00:47:43.552 --> 00:47:44.398
He never gave that up.

00:47:44.742 --> 00:47:47.976
Nope, oh, it was probably an oversight.

00:47:48.498 --> 00:47:49.481
I'm sure it was yeah.

00:47:50.150 --> 00:48:09.574
So when the Titanic finally left Southampton, lightoller's routine was pretty set it was 6 am to 10 am and 6 pm to 10 pm every morning and night that he would be on watch.

00:48:09.574 --> 00:48:23.179
So on the 14th of April he and the other officers were chatting about the Titanic's top speed, being curious about what she could do.

00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:25.021
Yeah, seeing what she can handle.

00:48:25.681 --> 00:48:29.722
And Murdoch, william Murdoch, who is the chief officer at this time.

00:48:29.722 --> 00:48:35.744
He had the 10 am to 2 pm shift or the 10 pm to 2 am shift.

00:48:36.385 --> 00:48:38.025
That sucks, that one would suck.

00:48:38.987 --> 00:48:44.208
But every time lunchtime would roll around, lightoller would step in and give him a break.

00:48:44.208 --> 00:48:46.572
Okay.

00:48:46.572 --> 00:48:48.115
So same way with Lightoller.

00:48:48.115 --> 00:48:58.434
If he was on duty, someone would relieve him so he could have his meals Gotcha, okay, duty, someone would relieve him so he could have his meals gotcha, okay.

00:48:58.434 --> 00:49:01.302
So when light taller stepped in during the 10 am 2 pm, watch for murdoch to go have his meal.

00:49:02.065 --> 00:49:21.269
Captain smith comes onto the bridge and mentions ice warnings oh sure yeah yeah, and light taller said that was the first time he had heard about it okay so when murdoch got, lightoller told him that the captain's warning told him about captain's warning and Murdoch didn't seem surprised.

00:49:21.269 --> 00:49:25.278
But Lightoller got the impression that it was kind of new news to him as well.

00:49:25.378 --> 00:49:25.599
Sure.

00:49:26.269 --> 00:49:33.036
But Lightoller took over the watch at 6 pm, just like he normally would, and then Murdoch relieved him for dinner.

00:49:33.036 --> 00:49:35.280
Ah yeah, it's just.

00:49:36.023 --> 00:49:36.322
Yeah.

00:49:36.769 --> 00:49:38.476
Why won't you have dinner early, whatever?

00:49:38.817 --> 00:49:39.197
Either way.

00:49:39.418 --> 00:49:47.139
Yeah, at 9 pm Captain Smith and Lightoller were on the bridge agreeing that they should see any ice well in advance.

00:49:47.139 --> 00:49:51.521
Sure Smith left, telling him to let him know if anything seemed off.

00:49:51.521 --> 00:50:03.666
Then Lightoller told another mate to call the lookouts in the crow's nest, telling them to keep a sharp lookout for ice, especially small ice and growlers.

00:50:05.132 --> 00:50:06.036
Okay, what's a growler?

00:50:06.289 --> 00:50:14.063
They are small fragments of ice and are roughly the size of a truck or like a grand piano.

00:50:14.063 --> 00:50:17.309
Decent, size still Decent, but small, obviously not an iceberg like a grand piano decent size, still obviously not an iceberg.

00:50:17.329 --> 00:50:25.304
Yeah, yeah, definitely still decent size light, wow I also had the quartermaster check the fresh water supply.

00:50:25.670 --> 00:50:34.213
Okay for any signs of freezing oh sure that would indicate they are heading into an ice field I think that's brilliant.

00:50:34.413 --> 00:50:39.442
I mean, I guess that that makes sense because, I guess I wouldn't have thought of that.

00:50:39.661 --> 00:50:39.902
Yeah.

00:50:40.222 --> 00:50:40.923
Wow Okay.

00:50:41.085 --> 00:50:44.476
Yeah, hey, we got a fresh water tank in the basement, the basement.

00:50:44.476 --> 00:50:48.643
The basement, the cellar, if you will.

00:50:48.967 --> 00:50:49.188
Yeah.

00:50:49.831 --> 00:50:53.981
The third passenger, third class passenger, cellars.

00:50:55.012 --> 00:50:55.394
The coach.

00:50:55.394 --> 00:50:56.788
I'm just going to keep drinking.

00:50:56.788 --> 00:50:58.255
I'm just going to keep drinking.

00:50:58.255 --> 00:51:02.639
I think that's wise for all of us involved in this podcast.

00:51:03.141 --> 00:51:03.963
So, yes.

00:51:03.963 --> 00:51:11.242
He okay, Leichthaler was on his last bridge watch before the collision.

00:51:11.242 --> 00:51:12.576
We all know what happened to the Titanic.

00:51:12.576 --> 00:51:22.318
Right, he handed over to Murdoch at 10pm telling him about the course and the ice field that they were approaching, expected to be in the area around 11pm.

00:51:22.610 --> 00:51:22.952
Okay.

00:51:23.635 --> 00:51:26.137
He wished Murdoch joy of his watch.

00:51:26.137 --> 00:51:26.992
Like, have a good night.

00:51:26.992 --> 00:51:30.117
Joy of the watch, wow, and headed to bed.

00:51:30.117 --> 00:51:33.996
He was getting ready for bed when he felt the impact.

00:51:34.137 --> 00:51:34.398
Sure.

00:51:34.398 --> 00:51:52.760
He thought it was the ice, but he stayed put because he was going to bed well, that's where people could find him well, because that's where he said he was going yeah, so if he's out walking around, they're not going to be able to find and they're going to go look for him like where the fuck is this guy?

00:51:52.780 --> 00:52:06.657
yeah the engine stopped, he went out on deck in his pajamas to see what was going on, talked to one of the mates, then he went back to this cabin again, waiting to be found, essentially or to be told what to do next, or whatever, yeah another came.

00:52:06.657 --> 00:52:11.172
Another mate came by and told him that they hit an iceberg, so it was confirmed.

00:52:11.172 --> 00:52:14.543
Finally, um, and that the mail room was flooding.

00:52:14.543 --> 00:52:23.405
Ma aisle mail room was flooding and that got light taller moving oh sure he threw on some clothes, his overcoat.

00:52:23.847 --> 00:52:35.143
He still didn't believe that the ship was in any real danger well, if you watch the movie, especially wink wink, not a lot of people thought which light is portrayed in that movie is he?

00:52:35.164 --> 00:52:36.431
I'll tell you about later.

00:52:36.431 --> 00:52:40.719
All right, light holler gets up on the boat deck and it's just chaos.

00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:43.333
Steam is hissing everywhere.

00:52:43.333 --> 00:52:49.351
You could hardly hear yourself think he takes charge of getting the lifeboats lowered on the port side.

00:52:49.351 --> 00:52:58.885
Okay, okay, he's interpreting captain Smith's orders Women and children only yes, very strictly.

00:52:58.885 --> 00:53:00.617
They can't hear each other.

00:53:00.617 --> 00:53:14.105
They are mouthing these words essentially, so this meant that Lightoller was launching lifeboats with empty seats if there were not women and children nearby.

00:53:14.105 --> 00:53:15.032
Isn't that wild?

00:53:15.032 --> 00:53:21.041
Yes, and he was like thinking like once they hit the water, they'll just come by this.

00:53:21.041 --> 00:53:23.650
No, that's not not so much it's chaos.

00:53:23.690 --> 00:53:43.295
They're not gonna know right that's not the way people's reactions are it's just, that's not yeah, there was one exception a lieutenant colonel puchin puchin, that is a funky name light taller.

00:53:43.295 --> 00:53:49.472
Let him in a boat because he had sailing experience and he offered to help, which was crucial.

00:53:49.472 --> 00:53:52.516
Yeah, since they were short on experienced seamen right, they were short, unexperienced.

00:53:52.516 --> 00:53:56.782
Semen Right, they were worried about Davits.

00:53:57.764 --> 00:53:58.246
What is that?

00:53:58.349 --> 00:54:03.422
D-A-V-I-T-S Davits, which were those lowering mechanisms.

00:54:03.809 --> 00:54:05.737
Oh sure, because they were all kind of funky.

00:54:05.737 --> 00:54:07.650
They kind of even went over that in the movie a little bit.

00:54:08.311 --> 00:54:29.327
Yeah, they were thinking that they wouldn't be able to hold a full, fully A stocked boat basically yeah, no, I know what you're saying yes, exactly yeah so they didn't realize that the titanic's davids were actually designed for the capacity that the lifeboats were supposed to have oh gotcha so light.

00:54:29.327 --> 00:54:35.822
Taller's plan was to fill the boats from the water line, which which I can see where he would get that idea.

00:54:35.963 --> 00:54:43.969
Yeah, so he actually sent 10 men down to open the gangway doors, like where people would walk up the gang.

00:54:43.969 --> 00:54:45.496
So it's a little more water level.

00:54:45.496 --> 00:54:49.800
Yeah, Kind of To get passengers access right Right, right right.

00:54:50.829 --> 00:54:52.070
None of these men made it.

00:54:52.070 --> 00:54:53.931
Oh really, the 10 of them.

00:54:53.931 --> 00:54:54.592
None of them made it.

00:54:54.592 --> 00:54:55.231
Urgh, None of these men made it.

00:54:55.231 --> 00:54:55.891
Oh really, the ten of them.

00:54:55.891 --> 00:54:56.413
None of them made it.

00:54:56.413 --> 00:55:01.994
Yeah, the boats once lowered, pulled away half empty, ignoring orders to come back.

00:55:01.994 --> 00:55:03.635
The plan just didn't work out.

00:55:03.635 --> 00:55:09.759
At one point, Lightoller asks about firearms.

00:55:10.338 --> 00:55:10.739
Okay.

00:55:11.539 --> 00:55:15.981
Lightoller takes Burdock and Smith to get the revolvers.

00:55:15.981 --> 00:55:23.125
He gets one for himself and some ammunition, though he later admits he never actually loaded the gun.

00:55:23.905 --> 00:55:24.626
Isn't Burdock.

00:55:25.266 --> 00:55:25.666
Murdoch.

00:55:25.945 --> 00:55:26.586
Was it Murdoch?

00:55:26.867 --> 00:55:27.407
With an M.

00:55:28.188 --> 00:55:29.648
Wasn't he also portrayed in the movie?

00:55:29.648 --> 00:55:30.068
He was.

00:55:39.150 --> 00:55:42.496
Yeah, was, yeah, so light taller has a scene where he's actually talking to victor garber, who is thomas.

00:55:42.496 --> 00:55:51.856
Thomas, andrews, mr andrews, he's the designer of titanic right played by victor garber and andrews comes up to light.

00:55:51.856 --> 00:55:53.217
Taller andoller.

00:55:53.217 --> 00:55:55.782
These boats are only half filled.

00:55:55.782 --> 00:55:56.784
What's going on?

00:55:56.923 --> 00:55:57.204
Yes.

00:55:57.710 --> 00:56:00.719
And Lightoller is like these boats might buckle.

00:56:01.610 --> 00:56:02.452
I remember that scene.

00:56:02.472 --> 00:56:03.255
Yep, that's Lightoller.

00:56:03.315 --> 00:56:05.541
Okay, gotcha, nice, yes, gotcha.

00:56:05.601 --> 00:56:19.871
Okay, so Lightoller then helps pull out boat collapsible D as in dog out boat collapsible d as in dog to.

00:56:19.891 --> 00:56:22.737
And he, he actually pulls out his gun during this unloading of the boat to to get a group of men to back off.

00:56:22.757 --> 00:56:23.119
Yeah, yes.

00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:31.818
So, as the titanic was going down, light hauler tried to launch a boat, collapsible b as in boy, from the port side.

00:56:31.818 --> 00:56:39.539
Okay, and it's one of those smaller canvas lifeboats oh Mm-hmm, but it flipped upside down onto the deck.

00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:40.242
Oh dear.

00:56:40.510 --> 00:56:44.621
He then went over the starboard side to see if he could help there.

00:56:44.621 --> 00:56:51.000
But a huge wave washed over the boat deck and realized it was kind of pointless to stay over there.

00:56:51.000 --> 00:57:00.324
So instead of sticking around, he dove overboard from the officer's quarters roof into the ocean.

00:57:00.324 --> 00:57:03.858
So he like climbs on top of this like officer's quarters.

00:57:03.878 --> 00:57:05.943
Yeah, and just Goes in the ocean.

00:57:06.090 --> 00:57:07.918
You know 10 point dive into you know.

00:57:08.510 --> 00:57:09.534
What's a nine point dive?

00:57:09.534 --> 00:57:10.356
I don't fucking know.

00:57:10.356 --> 00:57:10.577
All right.

00:57:10.777 --> 00:57:10.998
Okay.

00:57:10.998 --> 00:57:15.460
He described the water as feeling like a thousand knives.

00:57:16.371 --> 00:57:17.456
I mean, it was fucking cold.

00:57:17.456 --> 00:57:22.661
I mean, jack froze so he surfaced.

00:57:23.427 --> 00:57:27.670
Okay, he saw the crow's nest level with the water, oh Jesus.

00:57:27.670 --> 00:57:34.362
He started swimming towards it, but then remembered it's safer to stay away from the sinking ship.

00:57:34.603 --> 00:57:34.864
Right.

00:57:35.951 --> 00:57:37.675
And then he got sucked underwater.

00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:38.780
Yep.

00:57:39.731 --> 00:57:41.717
And he was rushed on a ventilator.

00:57:41.717 --> 00:57:43.121
Oh shit, Really.

00:57:43.121 --> 00:57:53.443
He was trapped against a grating for a little while until a blast of hot air from inside the ship blew him back up to the surface.

00:57:53.603 --> 00:57:55.806
No way, really, really, holy shit, really, really, holy shit.

00:57:55.806 --> 00:57:57.009
That's fortunate.

00:57:57.050 --> 00:58:00.137
He got pulled down again, but he managed to force his way up.

00:58:00.418 --> 00:58:05.842
So what do you and I'm not saying this is part of your research, but what do you think that blast of air was from?

00:58:06.590 --> 00:58:11.317
Probably just an explosion of some type Within the ship, kind of thing.

00:58:11.336 --> 00:58:12.992
Yeah, holy balls, he got lucky.

00:58:13.273 --> 00:58:17.280
So he realized his heavy revolver was actually dragging him underwater.

00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:22.780
So he let it go, so he ditched it so somewhere in the heart of the ocean, and his revolver is at the bottom of the ocean.

00:58:23.730 --> 00:58:25.096
I wonder if they're hanging out together.

00:58:25.096 --> 00:58:29.501
Probably I don't really think the heart of the ocean is really in there, but I think that was a movie.

00:58:29.809 --> 00:58:31.855
So he saw a collapsible bee Can.

00:58:31.855 --> 00:58:32.896
So he saw Collapsible B Can.

00:58:32.936 --> 00:58:33.659
I say something real quick.

00:58:33.659 --> 00:58:34.722
I literally just saw this.

00:58:34.722 --> 00:58:36.434
Yeah, do you know who was up?

00:58:36.434 --> 00:58:45.159
One of the people who was actually up for Jack Dawson in that movie, and it makes total sense why he didn't get it.

00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:51.561
James Gandolfini was originally considered for that role.

00:58:51.561 --> 00:58:53.264
In what?

00:58:53.264 --> 00:58:55.414
1997 it came out right.

00:58:55.414 --> 00:58:57.077
Do you not know who he is?

00:58:57.077 --> 00:58:59.543
What are you smiling for?

00:58:59.951 --> 00:59:02.657
because that's awful it's an awful choice.

00:59:02.996 --> 00:59:22.099
Well, it wasn't an awful choice because they didn't go with him and it basically it said I literally just saw this like two or three days ago, and it said that his um overall demeanor basically I don't remember the wording they used is like holy fuck, this guy is like scary, let's not do that.

00:59:22.099 --> 00:59:24.063
Basically is what they were saying.

00:59:24.063 --> 00:59:32.396
But holy shit, could that would have been a completely different movie I think it would be wow, so yeah, anyways okay so he ditches his revolver.

00:59:32.737 --> 00:59:36.483
He sees boat, collapsible B, floating upside down near him.

00:59:36.483 --> 00:59:38.376
And people were clinging to it.

00:59:38.376 --> 00:59:41.099
He swam over and held onto a rope.

00:59:41.099 --> 00:59:47.181
Just then the Titanic's forward funnel broke off.

00:59:47.181 --> 00:59:48.494
Oh, the stack.

00:59:48.494 --> 00:59:53.719
The stack Slammed into the water, washing the collapsible further away.

00:59:54.190 --> 00:59:56.349
Isn't that the one that crushed his little friend?

00:59:56.831 --> 01:00:03.021
Yeah, it comes a little bit later, but yes, okay, this is the first one that fell and it did kill several people.

01:00:03.170 --> 01:00:04.217
I like how we're like.

01:00:04.217 --> 01:00:06.090
Isn't that the one who killed this person?

01:00:06.090 --> 01:00:07.476
We're talking about a movie.

01:00:07.476 --> 01:00:09.175
It didn't really kill him, yeah.

01:00:09.295 --> 01:00:09.818
This one yeah.

01:00:10.250 --> 01:00:10.590
Anyways.

01:00:10.610 --> 01:00:13.693
but yes, Fabriz, Anyways but yes, vabritio, yes, yes yes.

01:00:13.693 --> 01:00:14.635
Vabritio.

01:00:14.954 --> 01:00:15.175
Yes.

01:00:15.615 --> 01:00:23.465
So he climbed onto the overturned boat and took charge claiming and organizing the 30 or so survivors that were holding onto this boat.

01:00:23.605 --> 01:00:24.646
Wow Okay, good for him.

01:00:25.030 --> 01:00:28.378
He had them yell boat ahoy in unison.

01:00:28.699 --> 01:00:29.059
Ahoy.

01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:33.840
Mm-hmm, to try to get people to come help them.

01:00:36.530 --> 01:00:37.112
Did you know that?

01:00:37.291 --> 01:00:39.016
when they invented the phone they wanted this.

01:00:39.036 --> 01:00:41.199
They said ahoy, yeah, yeah, something like that okay.

01:00:41.340 --> 01:00:46.637
So during the night a swell came up and he caught taught them how to like shift their weight right.

01:00:46.637 --> 01:01:03.387
So they're all on top of this upturned boat and light color is like showing the men, women, women and children, whomever's on top, how to shift their weight to keep the boat from going under essentially Okay sure.

01:01:04.251 --> 01:01:10.230
And as Don broke, he used his officer's whistle to attract the attention of other lifeboats.

01:01:10.230 --> 01:01:17.331
Yeah, Lifeboats 4 and 12 eventually rode over and rescued them after hearing his whistle that he kept on him.

01:01:17.331 --> 01:01:29.960
Oh and finally, the ship carpathia came and light hauler was the very last survivor to be pulled aboard every time I hear about the ship of the carpathia, I just think of dracula.

01:01:30.262 --> 01:01:32.853
So he's from the carpathian mountains mountains.

01:01:32.894 --> 01:01:33.135
Yeah.

01:01:33.135 --> 01:01:53.590
So after it all, he wrote about his experience in the christian science journal, crediting his faith for his survival and saying with god, all things are possible, so being the highest ranking survivor oh out of everybody, he was the highest to to to survive.

01:01:53.590 --> 01:02:00.594
That makes sense, lightoller found himself smack dabble in the middle of smack dab in the middle.

01:02:00.753 --> 01:02:02.094
I like smack dabble.

01:02:02.755 --> 01:02:03.536
Smack dabble.

01:02:03.876 --> 01:02:06.677
That might be the episode title Smack dabble.

01:02:06.697 --> 01:02:07.498
Smack dabble.

01:02:07.498 --> 01:02:12.039
He was in both the American and the British inquiries.

01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:13.179
Okay.

01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:13.679
Okay.

01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:19.023
So he did not mince words about the American one.

01:02:19.023 --> 01:02:20.362
He called it a farce.

01:02:20.362 --> 01:02:26.925
Oh, mostly because he thought that they were pretty clueless about some of the questions that they were asking.

01:02:27.047 --> 01:02:28.067
Sure, I guess.

01:02:28.146 --> 01:02:43.094
The British inquiry, though, he took a lot more seriously, and he even admitted that he had to keep one's hand on the whitewash brush, which basically means that he had to be careful to avoid putting blame on the british board, sure board of trade or the white star line.

01:02:43.094 --> 01:02:45.500
Okay, oh dear.

01:02:45.500 --> 01:03:03.188
So even though he, as he put it, he knew for a few years that this disaster was always about no, even though, as he put it, he knew for years that a disaster like this was always possible okay based on the type of ship, his experiences, etc man.

01:03:03.208 --> 01:03:21.704
That's pretty insightful if he thought it was possible, because we're always told and taught and led to believe that titanic was an unsinkable unsink ship, which is a really bold fucking claim, because you could literally fucking sink anything.

01:03:21.704 --> 01:03:28.942
So I mean for him to see that at that time is pretty remarkable, honestly.

01:03:29.101 --> 01:03:50.101
So all right, so he pinned the blame on the incredibly calm seas of the night okay and the fact that the icebergs didn't give any type of warning signs, like like water breaks right, yeah, you could see the ripples, for sure, like there wasn't even that like a t-rex walking towards you in a cup.

01:03:50.121 --> 01:03:58.891
Yeah, so I I wrote about very briefly, I wrote about a video that I saw years ago and I I referenced it here.

01:03:58.891 --> 01:04:04.242
It's called titanic's final mystery okay and it's all hypothetical.

01:04:04.242 --> 01:04:12.956
It's all theory, sure, but they are historians and scientists are replaying the night of the sinking.

01:04:13.177 --> 01:04:13.378
Right.

01:04:13.777 --> 01:04:22.945
And they figured out that they think, based on journals and eyewitness accounts, that the iceberg was actually a mirage.

01:04:23.606 --> 01:04:23.947
Okay.

01:04:24.891 --> 01:04:27.679
Because the night was so calm.

01:04:27.980 --> 01:04:28.221
Right.

01:04:29.550 --> 01:04:34.364
And you know when you're in a desert and you can hardly tell the difference between desert and like the sky.

01:04:34.489 --> 01:04:36.155
Sky, basically yeah, yeah, yeah, and then you could.

01:04:36.155 --> 01:04:52.061
You could like see things in a distance, but it's not really there that's what the scientists and the historians think might have happened that night yeah, I hang out in deserts a lot, so I know what you're talking about okay, so I'm not sure where this video is.

01:04:52.083 --> 01:04:52.864
I know what you mean, though.

01:04:53.010 --> 01:04:59.072
Yeah because you even see it like when you're driving on a on a hot summer day and you see in the distance on the road.

01:04:59.072 --> 01:05:01.701
Even you're like what the fuck is going on.

01:05:01.809 --> 01:05:04.940
You see like shadows and you're like, oh, there's like a puddle of water up there.

01:05:04.940 --> 01:05:06.556
It's like, Nope, it's just a shadow.

01:05:06.797 --> 01:05:09.398
Exactly so I know a hundred percent what you're talking about.

01:05:09.697 --> 01:05:14.923
So they think that a mirage happened and that's why they didn't see the iceberg Gotcha.

01:05:14.923 --> 01:05:23.072
Because, it was such a clear night you couldn't tell the difference between the ocean and the sky Well, especially at night like that, with it being so dark, obviously the water's.

01:05:23.574 --> 01:05:28.001
Jesus Christ, I think he was jumping out at you Buffoon, buffoon.

01:05:31.030 --> 01:05:34.458
So he was really I'm kidding Jesus Christ.

01:05:34.458 --> 01:05:39.590
Alright.

01:05:39.590 --> 01:05:39.911
Yeah, it's right.

01:05:39.911 --> 01:05:40.795
Yeah, it's fine, it's fine, everything's fine.

01:05:40.795 --> 01:05:48.351
So he light hauler did a really good job of defending his employer, the white star line, even though they were getting heat well, I mean, can you blame them?

01:05:48.351 --> 01:05:58.177
Excessive speed, right missing, missing binoculars, yep Sailing through an ice field who does this Interestingly?

01:05:58.177 --> 01:05:59.878
Yes, years later.

01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:05.001
Years later, in the 1936 BBC radio program.

01:06:05.001 --> 01:06:05.481
Okay.

01:06:06.083 --> 01:06:07.342
He changed his tune.

01:06:07.342 --> 01:06:11.925
Oh why he did finally admit some company faults.

01:06:12.407 --> 01:06:14.148
Well, of course.

01:06:14.608 --> 01:06:17.172
But, what were they?

01:06:17.172 --> 01:06:19.414
He didn't really say what, what the what.

01:06:19.414 --> 01:06:26.481
He used the public outrage to kind of push for changes in maritime history.

01:06:26.481 --> 01:06:40.597
Okay, sorry, maritime safety, sure, or history After this, yeah, history after this, yeah, and a lot of his recommendations, um, like lifeboat capacity lifeboat drills, yeah.

01:06:40.597 --> 01:06:53.050
24-hour radio communication, mandatory ice warnings sure they were all adopted by maritime nations makes sense, I get that so he really helped make things safer, sure.

01:06:53.050 --> 01:06:58.101
He did, however, get pretty annoyed with some of the questions that they asked during these inquiries.

01:06:58.362 --> 01:06:59.202
I'm not surprised.

01:06:59.769 --> 01:06:59.929
Like?

01:06:59.929 --> 01:07:05.719
One of the questions that was asked was did the falling funnel hurt anyone?

01:07:08.222 --> 01:07:11.373
No, come on, it just crushed him gently.

01:07:11.373 --> 01:07:13.376
So, what the fuck.

01:07:13.376 --> 01:07:21.434
After Fabrizio Okay, I was just gonna say like at least they didn't ask him if Could.

01:07:22.336 --> 01:07:22.918
Jack have fit on the door.

01:07:24.043 --> 01:07:25.228
Yes, he could have.

01:07:25.608 --> 01:07:25.909
After the.

01:07:25.909 --> 01:07:38.592
Everybody knows he fucking could have fit on that door I know, Anyways, after the Titanic, lytler, fucking idiot went back to the white star line.

01:07:38.592 --> 01:07:51.297
Okay, and he served as a mate on the oceanic, okay in 1913 he got promoted to the royal navy reserve, moving up to lieutenant all right, he's moving up still okay yes world war one.

01:07:51.297 --> 01:07:53.079
Okay, so how many ships is that Three?

01:07:53.981 --> 01:07:54.782
Roughly yeah, yeah.

01:07:56.123 --> 01:07:57.744
When World War I broke out.

01:07:57.905 --> 01:07:58.106
Yes.

01:07:58.655 --> 01:07:59.728
He was called up for duty.

01:07:59.728 --> 01:08:01.818
I have to pee so bad.

01:08:03.655 --> 01:08:04.438
Are we taking a break?

01:08:05.150 --> 01:08:06.097
But wouldn't you know it?

01:08:06.097 --> 01:08:12.721
Okay, he was back on the oceanic, but this time it was the HMS oceanic.

01:08:13.231 --> 01:08:13.934
Fucking A right.

01:08:13.934 --> 01:08:16.476
It was An armed merchant cruiser.

01:08:17.019 --> 01:08:20.574
Oh, it's no longer a passenger boat, it is.

01:08:22.096 --> 01:08:22.658
Lethal.

01:08:22.797 --> 01:08:23.640
It's lethal.

01:08:23.739 --> 01:08:24.381
Weaponized.

01:08:24.461 --> 01:08:25.242
Exactly.

01:08:25.443 --> 01:08:26.184
Fucking A right.

01:08:26.845 --> 01:08:29.516
Yes, new role, same ship.

01:08:33.014 --> 01:08:34.720
What year did World War I start?

01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:35.972
Was that 1911?

01:08:36.274 --> 01:08:38.801
Oh, shibibbles, I want to say 1912.

01:08:38.961 --> 01:08:42.296
But well, no, I'm sorry, I'm not not 11, because you were.

01:08:42.296 --> 01:08:47.353
The titanic sunk in 12, so was that fuck?

01:08:47.353 --> 01:08:49.476
Why am I drawing a blank on this?

01:08:49.476 --> 01:08:56.130
1914, 14, 1914, 1914, 1914 1918 1918 god damn.

01:08:56.130 --> 01:08:57.936
Anyways, I don't know why.

01:08:57.957 --> 01:09:06.436
Yeah, if I just keep reading, he served as first officer, with David Blair, who was pushed off the Titanic remember?

01:09:06.436 --> 01:09:22.184
Yeah, he was the second man that got pushed off right he served as first officer with David Blair, but then the ship ran aground and was wrecked on the Chaldafula in 1914.

01:09:22.184 --> 01:09:25.484
It is an island in the Shetland Islands.

01:09:25.484 --> 01:09:26.453
Don't ask me for more.

01:09:26.453 --> 01:09:28.671
It's between the United Kingdom and Norway.

01:09:28.671 --> 01:09:30.533
They are islands, don't ask me more.

01:09:30.533 --> 01:09:31.829
It happened in 1914.

01:09:31.829 --> 01:09:32.872
This is boat number four.

01:09:33.335 --> 01:09:33.836
Is this near Rio?

01:09:33.836 --> 01:09:34.739
Stop it Boat number four.

01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:35.282
This is boat number four.

01:09:35.282 --> 01:09:35.844
Is this near Rio?

01:09:35.844 --> 01:09:36.024
Stop it.

01:09:36.024 --> 01:09:36.546
Boat number four.

01:09:36.667 --> 01:09:37.529
Yes, boat number four.

01:09:37.829 --> 01:09:40.332
Lightoller being Lightoller was last off the ship.

01:09:40.332 --> 01:09:45.119
Grabbed the navigation room clock as a souvenir.

01:09:45.739 --> 01:09:46.501
Oh, okay.

01:09:48.564 --> 01:09:49.364
Come on.

01:09:49.886 --> 01:09:50.105
What.

01:09:51.270 --> 01:09:52.235
Four ships.

01:09:54.612 --> 01:09:56.278
I feel like he should stop sailing.

01:09:58.171 --> 01:09:59.934
What is the common denominator here?

01:09:59.934 --> 01:10:00.395
Come on.

01:10:01.055 --> 01:10:01.516
Lightoller.

01:10:02.037 --> 01:10:05.023
Lightoller, hello, hello, 1915.

01:10:05.162 --> 01:10:05.944
Fucking Chuck.

01:10:06.752 --> 01:10:07.918
I'm not even fucking done.

01:10:07.918 --> 01:10:09.729
1915.

01:10:09.729 --> 01:10:17.109
He was first officer on the trials of the Campania, which had been turned into an aircraft carrier.

01:10:17.489 --> 01:10:17.590
Oh.

01:10:18.391 --> 01:10:25.145
Later that year he got his own command on the torpedo boat HMTB-117.

01:10:27.229 --> 01:10:28.335
Torpedo 2.

01:10:29.069 --> 01:10:36.780
He earned the Distinguished Service Cross for a pretty daring night battle with a Zeppelin.

01:10:37.402 --> 01:10:38.222
With a Zeppelin.

01:10:38.662 --> 01:10:39.444
L-3-1.

01:10:39.444 --> 01:10:51.662
Wow yeah, he and his crew set up an ambush, waited until the Zeppelin was right above them and then opened fire with tracer rounds, hitting its tail and forcing it to retreat.

01:10:51.662 --> 01:11:00.765
That got him promoted to captain of the HMS Falcon, a torpedo boat destroyer.

01:11:00.765 --> 01:11:08.355
For the next two years he was on the Dover patrol, protecting the straits and fighting off German destroyers.

01:11:08.590 --> 01:11:09.954
Was that like in the cliffs of Dover?

01:11:10.617 --> 01:11:18.224
We'll say that he ran a very tight ship, guns always loaded, expecting his men to be ready for anything.

01:11:18.369 --> 01:11:22.796
Well, I mean, that sounds like a normal fucking thing, but all right, Unfortunately, oh dear.

01:11:25.038 --> 01:11:25.720
Guess what happened.

01:11:27.443 --> 01:11:28.484
Sink Hit an iceberg.

01:11:28.725 --> 01:11:30.030
Falcon sink the.

01:11:30.030 --> 01:11:40.364
Falcon sank in 1918, after a collision in fog with a trawler, which is a large fishing boat that was fitted for naval purposes.

01:11:40.364 --> 01:11:42.113
Okay, boat number five.

01:11:42.414 --> 01:11:45.815
Jesus Christ, this dude needs to get off the fucking sea.

01:11:45.815 --> 01:11:48.322
You see, holy shit.

01:11:49.051 --> 01:11:54.502
On April 1st 1918, the vessel collided with an armed trawler, hms John Fitzgerald.

01:11:54.502 --> 01:11:57.673
1918.

01:11:57.673 --> 01:11:59.880
The vessel collided with an armed trawler, hms john fitzgerald okay.

01:11:59.880 --> 01:12:01.685
The collision occurred in dense fog, which significantly reduced visibility.

01:12:01.685 --> 01:12:13.114
Visibility you don't say after the result of the collision, the hms falcon sustained critical damage and sank jesus christ his crew was taken away in a trawler.

01:12:13.114 --> 01:12:17.810
Yeah, and when the ship finally sank hours later, Light Hauler 2 finally got off the ship Again.

01:12:17.810 --> 01:12:19.176
He's like the last one off the ship.

01:12:19.438 --> 01:12:19.557
How?

01:12:19.557 --> 01:12:22.056
Because he was getting another fucking souvenir.

01:12:22.056 --> 01:12:24.895
Probably, I mean I need another clock.

01:12:25.176 --> 01:12:25.356
Yeah.

01:12:25.649 --> 01:12:26.574
What the fuck man.

01:12:27.149 --> 01:12:32.121
But a different light, a different trawler rescued him because of this fucking whistle.

01:12:32.601 --> 01:12:37.470
Trawler Light.

01:12:37.470 --> 01:12:38.493
Hauler him because of this fucking whistle.

01:12:38.514 --> 01:12:48.078
Trawler light, holler light, taller light, trawler light taller right trawler, yes, night trawler light taller was cleared in in any court martial and actually where it was commended for staying on board until the crew were just.

01:12:48.078 --> 01:12:50.952
They were just like did you fucking do anything?

01:12:51.152 --> 01:12:52.814
no, okay we got you.

01:12:52.814 --> 01:12:53.895
Yeah, all right, fair enough.

01:12:53.916 --> 01:13:01.228
They're just going through the motions at that point okay, gotcha okay then, yes, he got five ships, right five.

01:13:01.228 --> 01:13:08.277
He then got command of hms gary g-a-r-r-y fucking gary, another destroyer.

01:13:08.277 --> 01:13:22.259
June 1918 light hauler, commanded Gary, had a pretty dramatic run-in with a German U-boat, the UB-110, captained by Werner Feuerbringer.

01:13:23.121 --> 01:13:23.381
Wow.

01:13:24.530 --> 01:13:25.335
Werner Feuerbringer.

01:13:25.590 --> 01:13:26.815
It's like the bringer of fears.

01:13:28.070 --> 01:13:30.833
A periscope broke the surface.

01:13:31.134 --> 01:13:31.614
Oh geez.

01:13:32.074 --> 01:13:32.836
Of the water.

01:13:33.056 --> 01:13:40.805
Yeah, bloop, bloop, bloop bloop, bloop, bloop.

01:13:40.805 --> 01:13:41.185
Bloop, bloop.

01:13:41.185 --> 01:13:43.351
Okay, continue.

01:13:43.351 --> 01:13:44.618
I need more of this.

01:13:44.618 --> 01:13:45.934
Oh my god, so do I.

01:13:45.934 --> 01:13:46.454
I'm out.

01:13:47.819 --> 01:13:49.292
Or should it be bloop, bloop, bloop.

01:13:49.292 --> 01:13:53.251
It's probably that Bloop bloop, bloop, bloop.

01:13:53.251 --> 01:13:59.324
It's probably that Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:13:59.324 --> 01:14:04.832
Okay, the periscope broke the surface.

01:14:04.891 --> 01:14:06.292
Yes, you mentioned that.

01:14:06.292 --> 01:14:07.533
Yeah, we got that far.

01:14:07.594 --> 01:14:09.875
Positioned for a torpedo strike.

01:14:10.175 --> 01:14:10.454
Yes.

01:14:10.854 --> 01:14:16.559
Light hauler ordered full speed and dropped depth charges, depth charges yes, lightoller ordered full speed and dropped depth charges.

01:14:16.578 --> 01:14:17.538
Depth charges yes.

01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:23.282
The submarine, forced to surface, became a target Makes sense.

01:14:23.282 --> 01:14:33.467
A direct hit from the forward gun prevented its escape and Lightoller ordered the ship to ram the submarine.

01:14:33.728 --> 01:14:34.028
Why?

01:14:34.028 --> 01:14:42.740
Because five sunken ships is not enough.

01:14:43.141 --> 01:14:43.722
You're not fucking wrong.

01:14:43.722 --> 01:14:44.912
Here's number six.

01:14:44.912 --> 01:14:47.539
The first collision caused damage to both vessels.

01:14:47.539 --> 01:14:55.250
Undeterred, he rammed it again, striking the UB-110.

01:14:55.250 --> 01:14:58.457
The destroyer was critically damaged.

01:14:59.180 --> 01:14:59.881
No shit.

01:15:00.489 --> 01:15:01.755
Lightoller was like hmm.

01:15:02.979 --> 01:15:03.541
Mistake.

01:15:03.689 --> 01:15:12.452
Beached, the ship head to the nearest port, attempt to return to the strait, where they can dock Find an iceberg, whatever.

01:15:12.452 --> 01:15:20.765
They opted for returning to the strait, where a river and an ocean meet.

01:15:20.765 --> 01:15:22.335
It's called the Humber.

01:15:23.056 --> 01:15:27.078
The Humber Humber Like H-U-M-ber, yes, okay.

01:15:27.390 --> 01:15:33.926
It's a strait where the river and ocean meet and they can dock there in England or sink Either way.

01:15:33.926 --> 01:15:37.595
Yeah, or sink Either way, yeah, so they opted for that.

01:15:38.069 --> 01:15:40.034
Please tell me he doesn't get on any more ships.

01:15:40.034 --> 01:15:42.900
I can't, oh shit.

01:15:43.322 --> 01:15:43.662
Come on.

01:15:43.662 --> 01:15:46.779
The journey was fraught with tension.

01:15:46.779 --> 01:15:57.235
The ship's condition deteriorated upon arrival the bow was submerged, the stern was raised, the damage extensive.

01:15:57.256 --> 01:15:58.158
Oh my God.

01:15:58.329 --> 01:16:01.059
Can we just say this is boat number six.

01:16:01.350 --> 01:16:03.257
We can, because holy fuck.

01:16:03.489 --> 01:16:10.881
Boat number six Lightoller got a bar for his distinguished service crossed.

01:16:11.130 --> 01:16:12.811
I feel like they need to start taking shit away from this fucktard, holy crap.

01:16:12.811 --> 01:16:13.934
What is going on with all the fucking chaos that he is on a ship service crossed?

01:16:13.934 --> 01:16:15.443
I feel like they need to start taking shit away from this fucktard, holy crap.

01:16:15.443 --> 01:16:19.087
What is going on with all the fucking chaos that he is?

01:16:19.167 --> 01:16:58.533
on a ship let's sink it, motherfuckers, holy balls light holler was promoted to acting lieutenant commander in july damn, they're stupid and was placed on the retired list good on march 31st of 1919 with the rank of commander okay so even though light teller had been a loyal employee, employee of the white star line, and had really gone to bat for them during the titanic inquiries, yeah, he found his career had kind of hit a dead end after the war well, sure, I mean turns out, being connected to the titanic disaster wasn't a great thing to have.

01:16:59.394 --> 01:17:03.721
I can't imagine it would be disheartened he resigned.

01:17:03.721 --> 01:17:13.594
He tried his hand at a bunch of different things like innkeeper, chicken farmer, property speculation, whatever whatever word you're trying to say there.

01:17:13.594 --> 01:17:15.621
It's actually spelled speculation.

01:17:17.233 --> 01:17:18.417
I trusted you Inspection.

01:17:18.417 --> 01:17:20.600
No, let's go with speculation.

01:17:20.801 --> 01:17:32.085
Okay, Maybe it was inspection, but I wrote down the word speculation In the early 1930s he wrote his autobiography called I Sink Ships Gee.

01:17:33.992 --> 01:17:35.318
I think that might be the title.

01:17:35.318 --> 01:17:36.001
I Sink Ships Gee.

01:17:36.001 --> 01:17:36.944
I think that might be the title.

01:17:36.944 --> 01:17:38.956
I Sink Ships.

01:17:42.110 --> 01:17:48.818
This book is called Titanic and Other Ships and that's why earlier I said Blink and Other Ships.

01:17:48.877 --> 01:17:49.500
Yeah, I get it.

01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:49.801
Yeah.

01:17:50.871 --> 01:18:04.932
I'd like to say I did call that, you did, and I think I Sink Ships is the title his wife basically nagged him to write this book ah, the duty of a good wife.

01:18:04.993 --> 01:18:06.396
And it ended up being a pretty good hit.

01:18:06.396 --> 01:18:29.435
Well, big hit yeah it didn't sink any ships did it, it really didn't oh, fuck, yeah, wow so there was a little bit of a mystery with the book yeah sylvia claimed it was pulled from shelves why, because the marconi company threatened to sue him over a comment he made about the titanic's.

01:18:29.435 --> 01:18:41.327
Marconi operators were trained to send and receive Morse code on the Titanic using Marconi equipment.

01:18:42.811 --> 01:18:44.759
Okay, I feel like that's a stretch there but all right.

01:18:45.069 --> 01:18:46.376
But nobody found any proof of that.

01:18:46.550 --> 01:18:47.555
Yeah, right, of course.

01:18:48.010 --> 01:18:56.184
Lightoller did lay a lot of blame on Jack Phillips, the senior Marconi operator, for allegedly not delivering an ice warning.

01:18:56.184 --> 01:18:56.965
See, that's different.

01:18:56.965 --> 01:18:58.360
That could have prevented the sinking.

01:18:58.510 --> 01:19:02.720
You're blaming a person, not a company equipment or whatever.

01:19:02.740 --> 01:19:03.403
Yes, exactly.

01:19:03.770 --> 01:19:05.457
Yeah, that's way fucking different, Right.

01:19:05.457 --> 01:19:07.235
But okay, I get it yes.

01:19:07.516 --> 01:19:07.738
Okay.

01:19:07.738 --> 01:19:12.613
So even in retirement, Lytler could not give up the sea.

01:19:12.833 --> 01:19:13.675
He sunk more ships.

01:19:14.395 --> 01:19:14.534
No.

01:19:14.695 --> 01:19:16.657
Did he go out fishing and be like fuck honey.

01:19:16.657 --> 01:19:18.738
I don't know where the boat went.

01:19:18.738 --> 01:19:20.680
I was on it one minute, jesus Christ.

01:19:20.780 --> 01:19:22.601
He bought himself a yacht.

01:19:23.502 --> 01:19:24.043
A yacht.

01:19:24.224 --> 01:19:29.068
He called it the Sundowner in 1929.

01:19:29.068 --> 01:19:33.466
Okay, in early 1939.

01:19:33.466 --> 01:19:33.688
It sank.

01:19:33.688 --> 01:19:39.890
It sank.

01:19:39.890 --> 01:20:04.623
The admiralty, okay, commissioned him to use the sundowner to snoop around the german coast, taking pictures and gathering intel on their needle installations so he was kind of a spy then comes dunkirk oh shit, really may 1940 light taller, along with his oldest son, roger, and a sea scout named Gerald Ashcroft, took the Sundowner across the channel to help with the evacuation at fucking Dunkirk Really yes.

01:20:04.663 --> 01:20:05.164
That's wild.

01:20:06.310 --> 01:20:10.481
In a boat licensed for 21 people.

01:20:10.730 --> 01:20:12.050
Yeah, he fit 120.

01:20:12.270 --> 01:20:16.384
He brought back 127 British servicemen.

01:20:16.384 --> 01:20:17.688
I was seven off holy fuck.

01:20:17.707 --> 01:20:18.229
That's amazing.

01:20:18.610 --> 01:20:26.833
Look at me go yes wow, that's wild though on the way back, they even dodged gunfire from german aircraft not surprised there.

01:20:26.833 --> 01:20:32.730
No, holy shit gerald ashcroft remembered a stuka dive bomber attacking them.

01:20:32.730 --> 01:20:36.320
Light taller stood on the bow keeping an eye on it.

01:20:36.320 --> 01:20:43.109
At the last second he heard Hard apart and they turned sharply One of the directions because I don't know which approach.

01:20:43.270 --> 01:20:45.158
I always forget port and starboard.

01:20:45.158 --> 01:20:45.418
Yeah.

01:20:46.010 --> 01:20:48.618
Just as the bomb landed on their starboard side.

01:20:48.738 --> 01:20:49.100
Oh dear.

01:20:50.131 --> 01:20:54.918
But after Dunkirk Lightoller didn't hang up his hat entirely.

01:20:54.918 --> 01:21:02.443
He was put in charge of a small armed vessel patrolling the river Blackwater in Essex.

01:21:03.003 --> 01:21:03.264
Okay.

01:21:03.390 --> 01:21:07.207
During an invasion period in 1940 to 1941.

01:21:07.389 --> 01:21:07.550
Sure.

01:21:08.069 --> 01:21:12.280
Then he was ferrying arms and ammunition for the Royal Army Service Corps.

01:21:12.280 --> 01:21:15.078
Wow, right up until the war ended.

01:21:15.137 --> 01:21:15.378
Sure.

01:21:16.310 --> 01:21:20.521
After the war he settled down a bit, but he stayed closer to the water, Of course.

01:21:20.521 --> 01:21:30.024
He ran a small boatyard in Twickenham, West London, called Richmond Slipways.

01:21:30.284 --> 01:21:30.545
Okay.

01:21:31.069 --> 01:21:33.759
They built motor launches for river police.

01:21:34.279 --> 01:21:34.381
Oh.

01:21:34.689 --> 01:21:38.239
So he was still very much involved in, like maritime life.

01:21:38.239 --> 01:21:45.143
Sure Leithaler died of chronic heart disease on December 8th 1952, age 78.

01:21:45.369 --> 01:21:47.599
I say yeah, he lived pretty long then.

01:21:48.030 --> 01:21:51.909
And it was actually during London's Great Smog of 1952.

01:21:51.909 --> 01:22:07.757
Not the Great Smog His body was cremated and his ashes were scattered at the commonwealth garden of remembrance at mort lake crematorium in richmond surrey now I understand that the british people will probably understand a little bit of that.

01:22:07.877 --> 01:22:13.137
I don't, but that's fine do you find it weird that they didn't put some of his ashes?

01:22:13.137 --> 01:22:17.393
In the ocean yeah, because I mean, that's what his whole fucking life was.

01:22:17.472 --> 01:22:19.296
Basically we didn't come up with it.

01:22:19.337 --> 01:22:23.293
I don't know I mean whatever but I'm gonna quote the last part here.

01:22:23.293 --> 01:22:25.340
I'm gonna quote from his book titanic and other ships.

01:22:25.340 --> 01:22:32.478
All right quote, for my part of going to sea was just a bluff, but it worked.

01:22:32.478 --> 01:22:37.144
I hear some say, to my sorrow, not a bit of it.

01:22:37.144 --> 01:22:43.280
The sea is a hard, unrelenting mistress, always ready to whip up the fools.

01:22:43.280 --> 01:22:49.292
As I was soon to discover, she tried to drown me several times, yet I beat her.

01:22:49.292 --> 01:22:53.139
She nearly broke my neck on more than one occasion.

01:22:53.139 --> 01:22:58.525
But we still remain the best of friends and I never regret that my bluff was called Wow.

01:22:58.525 --> 01:23:07.242
That is the story of Charles Lightoller and his book that I read, titanic and Other Ships, and his crazy ass.

01:23:07.242 --> 01:23:11.171
Six fucking sinkings of ships what?

01:23:12.036 --> 01:23:14.614
the fuck Fucking Chuck.

01:23:19.270 --> 01:23:20.515
Six what the fuck the fuck fucking chuck.

01:23:20.515 --> 01:23:21.158
Six what the fuck chuck.

01:23:21.177 --> 01:23:23.386
So I was anticipating they're like five, and then I was like, oh shit, they're six.

01:23:23.386 --> 01:23:24.168
There's still another to be told.

01:23:24.189 --> 01:23:25.993
I have to pee so bad I really do too.

01:23:26.496 --> 01:23:33.896
So let's keep this relatively brief at the end, and we need another thunder punch did you like it?

01:23:33.896 --> 01:23:34.278
I did.

01:23:34.278 --> 01:23:35.461
I really want to have another.

01:23:35.461 --> 01:23:37.836
It was probably colder than the last two.

01:23:37.836 --> 01:23:38.679
It's so good.

01:23:38.679 --> 01:23:39.180
It's good.

01:23:39.180 --> 01:23:44.122
However, that fucker needed to stop going on boats.

01:23:44.122 --> 01:23:46.774
He was the common denominator.

01:23:46.774 --> 01:23:47.779
But it's quite wild.

01:23:47.779 --> 01:23:50.298
I mean, he was through two world wars.

01:23:50.298 --> 01:23:53.680
He was literally on the fucking Titanic.

01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:57.770
He saved people at Dunkirkirk yeah, do you want to watch that?

01:23:58.894 --> 01:24:00.939
yeah, I've never seen it I, I own it.

01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:02.363
I have still yet to actually watch it.

01:24:02.403 --> 01:24:03.231
I've never seen it.

01:24:03.252 --> 01:24:05.761
Uh, christopher nolan fucking love christopher nolan.

01:24:05.761 --> 01:24:08.430
He is amazing, one of my favorite directors ever.

01:24:08.430 --> 01:24:10.733
Um, but I do have that, so we should watch that.

01:24:10.733 --> 01:24:21.206
Yeah, because I would love to watch that, but it's fucking wild that he was two world wars and the fucking Titanic and three other fucking ships or whatever.

01:24:21.390 --> 01:24:22.614
Let's just go back out on the boat.

01:24:22.814 --> 01:24:23.639
Yeah, you know what?

01:24:23.639 --> 01:24:25.256
I haven't sunk enough boats.

01:24:25.256 --> 01:24:26.916
Time to sink another.

01:24:26.916 --> 01:24:28.875
Let's do this, isn't?

01:24:28.895 --> 01:24:29.537
that crazy.

01:24:29.789 --> 01:24:32.051
And he and he raised the sail and he goes well.

01:24:32.051 --> 01:24:34.813
I suppose, All right, buffoons.

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