Nov. 5, 2025

The Origin of Weird: L. Ron Hubbard and His Lackluster Naval Career

The Origin of Weird: L. Ron Hubbard and His Lackluster Naval Career
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A man drops depth charges on a rock formation, shells the wrong country for target practice, and later rebrands himself as a decorated hero and spiritual “Commodore.” We follow L. Ron Hubbard from pulp fiction pages to a chaotic Navy stint and into the creation of Scientology, tracing how a talent for storytelling became a tool for power. The archives tell one version—lack of judgment, short command, diplomatic headaches—while the legend inflates into secret missions, hidden medals, and a private flotilla called the Sea Org.

We talk through the Oregon incident where sonar “contacts” turned out to be magnetic geology, the three-day barrage that roiled the Pacific and killed fish along the coast, and the swift investigation that found no submarines at all. Then we head south to the Coronado Islands, where a simple order to stay in U.S. waters spiraled into unauthorized gunnery in Mexican territory. Alongside official evaluations labeling Hubbard verbose, grandiose, and unfit for independent duty, we explore the postwar pivot: hospital wards to hero stories, standard-issue ribbons spun into proof of classified valor, and a steady march toward spiritual leadership.

From the Sea Org’s uniforms and ceremonies to the enduring mythology that surrounds Hubbard’s service, this is a case study in how narrative can outrun fact when delivered with confidence. If you’ve ever wondered how bombast becomes biography—and how movements form around magnetic certainty—this story offers a vivid map. Listen, share with a friend who loves strange military history and cult origins, and leave a review to tell us: where do you draw the line between a compelling story and a convincing lie?

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00:00 - Cold Open And Setting The Scene

01:03 - Introducing L. Ron Hubbard

03:45 - From Pulp Writer To Would‑Be Hero

06:41 - The Oregon “Submarine” That Was Rocks

11:05 - Shelling Mexico By Mistake

15:20 - Demotions, Hospitals, And Personality Notes

19:30 - Reinventing Himself As A Decorated Veteran

22:15 - Sea Org And The Commodore Persona

25:15 - Legacy, Critique, And Pop Culture Asides

28:51 - Wrap‑Up And Listener Callouts

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Oh hey there.

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Oh hey there.

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How's it going?

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I'm feeling a little under the weather today.

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And I'm Bradley.

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You asked me how it was going.

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I'm just kidding.

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We're the history buffoons.

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Oh, he does want me to.

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I am Bradley, and that is under the weather Kate.

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I'm Kate.

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So I am fogging up, so my glasses are coming off.

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No, I just I sometimes if I get motion sick, I have that feeling lasts for hours and hours and hours.

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How'd you get motion sick walking around your house?

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I could also have not eaten enough food this morning.

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There it is.

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Or drink water in four days.

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I don't know if you know this, but the body doesn't need water.

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Jesus Christ.

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So this is the origin of weird.

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Uh we're currently recording in a place that we don't normally record.

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So if the sound is a little off, our apologies.

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We're trying something.

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You might hear some cats going potty at times.

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You might hear some cats eating at times.

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Uh he might you might hear the lovely hum of a refrigerator.

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But um this is probably a one and only time we're doing this.

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I'm also experimenting with some video recording, which we'll see if that works.

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Yeah.

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But um there's that's all over.

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We have uh we have an audience.

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He's like, wait a minute, this isn't right.

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All these cores, that's like a dream come true for me.

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No, the only whenever I like I'm editing here after we record, he loves to play with my damn uh plug.

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Yeah.

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Every other cable.

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It's like, eh.

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But he's like, oh, the white one's out.

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The white one's out.

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Anyways, what do you got for us today on the origin of weird?

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I've got a fucking weird person.

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Oh, this is a person, not an event.

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It's a person, however, yeah.

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This person has a very long background of weird.

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Okay.

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And he is no longer alive, however.

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Um his religion is Oh, is it the Mormons?

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No.

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Okay.

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We're gonna talk about L.

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Ron Hubbard.

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Yeah.

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Who is L.

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Ron Hubbard Scientology.

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That's it.

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Yes.

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I knew the name, and I'm like, oh my god, I'm drawing a blink.

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Yeah, so he is no longer alive, but Scientology is uh is out there.

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When did he die?

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Uh 986?

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Give or take a couple decades.

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I mean I can look at it.

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I mean you don't have to.

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I was just curious.

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I I think I I think I'm gonna say 1986.

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When did he die?

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Are we w wagering on this?

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Okay, what do you want to wager?

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A beer.

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Oh, okay.

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Oh, wait.

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Did you have something better in mind?

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No.

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Okay.

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Oh, did you already see it?

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No, I just now.

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January 24th, 1986.

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He was 74.

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Oh, wow.

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Okay.

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74.

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Go ahead.

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He died of a stroke.

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But he was born the year after Reagan was.

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Anyways.

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Okay.

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So uh he's a character, like from beginning to end of his life.

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Just being strange.

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I'm sure.

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We're just taking a snippet.

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Oh, good, because I don't think I could take an entire lifetime of Scientology.

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It's not even that.

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Like, he doesn't come up with Scientology until years after what I'm talking about.

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Oh, sure.

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I bet.

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Yeah.

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So um I believe this man was um born in Nebraska.

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Oh.

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He was there for like maybe the first two years.

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Shut shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up.

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No wonder he's so weird.

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Shut up, shut up, shut up.

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I know somebody who's from Nebraska that's also quite strange.

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It's he's from Tilden, Nebraska.

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Tilden, where's that comparison?

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Actually, really close to some of the stories that we um had in the 1888 children's blizzards.

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Blizzard children, as I used to refer to it as.

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Okay.

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Um he spent he was an army brat, so he actually spent um much of his younger years in Montana, and then he was also as an army brat, he was just all over the place.

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Right, that makes sense.

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Okay, so yes, L.

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Ron Hubbard actually was a pulp fiction writer.

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I thought Quentin Quentin Tarantino wrote that.

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So I had to look up what pulp fiction meant.

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Yeah, could you have the definition for that?

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I do.

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It refers to cheap, mass-produced adventure and crime stories published between the 1910s and the 1950s.

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Right.

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Yeah, because I knew Tarantino based it off as something like that.

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I just couldn't remember exactly what it was.

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Yeah, so the the names come comes from the low-quality wood pulp paper the books are printed on.

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Oh, that's how it comes from.

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Okay.

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So this Hubbard guy wrote around 500 short stories slash books.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Mass produced.

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But Mass produced, yeah.

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Yes.

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So he also turned himself into a self-styled philosopher who ended up finding Scientology.

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Where did he find it?

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Found it.

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He found it.

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There it is.

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Um after an unremarkable yet disastrous stint in the US Navy during World War II.

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Oh, he was in the war, huh?

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Well, he was he was adjacent.

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Anyways, let's find out.

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Um, world was on fire, the oceans were crawling with submarines, and somewhere in the Pacicis Pacific, the US Navy accidentally hands a ship to a man whose greatest prior navigational experience was zero.

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We're like, here, Hubbard, have a ship.

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You know what?

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You look you have kind eyes.

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Take this ship and run.

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Hubbard was just a junior Navy officer, but he had the ego the size of the Pacific.

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Like this guy was very big ego.

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It's a huge ego.

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I mean, how could you just put it all in one person?

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I mean, his head must have been huge.

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Um, he spent the 1930s writing his books Cowboys Pirates, SciFi, some of them all in one.

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And of course, sorry to interrupt.

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Do some of those still exist?

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Oh, oh yeah.

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I would imagine you can find them, right?

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Oh, yeah.

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That'd be interesting to look at.

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Uh, the Navy was also really desperate for officers, so they're like, sure, why not?

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I mean, they were it was wartime.

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So what did you expect, right?

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In 1941, Hubbard was commissioned as a lieutenant junior grade on paper.

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He looked great.

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He was well traveled because he was an army brat.

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Um, he was confident, he was charismatic, he was very egotistical.

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Okay.

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In 1943, yeah, Hubbard took command of a brand new submarine chaser, the USS PC-815.

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So, what what is a chaser?

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Is that just a style of ship?

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Yes, it's a 173-foot vessel designed to hunt Japanese subs along the western coast.

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Oh, gotcha.

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So for Hubbard, it was the start of his heroic quote-unquote naval legendary status.

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I'm gonna go with that's bullshit by your quote unquote, but uh, let's find out.

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It started off Cape Lookout, Oregon.

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Hubbard's sonar team picked up something out of the waves.

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Oh dear.

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He immediately concluded that it was an enemy submarine.

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Possibly two.

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Without hesitation.

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He ordered his crew to prepare for combat.

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Sixty-eight hours and thirty-five depth charges later.

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Sixty-eight hours, sixty-eight hours and thirty-five depth charges later.

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So they could only do about two depth charges per an hour.

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I don't know what that means though.

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So, like it sounds like not a lot compared to how much time, but I don't know what was happening in between the depth charges.

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Right, because like ever any time I've ever seen depth charges released into the water, it's usually like three, four, five, whatever at a time, kind of thing.

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So I don't know.

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Yeah.

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I I again I am no expert at this by any stretch, but yeah, okay, anyways.

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Um, they also called in other ships to help, blimps, because they were still a thing at the time.

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I mean, they still are, they go over stadiums.

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That's fair.

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Even though most stadiums are covered these days, it's like, why do we do that?

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Brought to you by Goodyear, the Goodyear blimp, whatever.

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Anyways.

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So the ocean was like boiling essentially with all this activity.

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Sure.

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Fishermen miles away complained about dead fish washing ashore.

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Well, because they're blowing them all in.

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Exactly, exactly.

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And of course, all the locals thought that the war had come to Oregon.

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Hubbard believed that he had sunk at least one submarine and probably crippled another, thinking that there was two.

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Yeah.

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Um, so he triumphantly reported quote, enemy destroyed, victory assured.

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Oh, good lord.

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Way to way to jump the gun there because you don't even fucking know what you're doing.

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Did you think there were submarines?

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No.

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The Navy investigated.

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Was there were they whales?

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Thankfully, no.

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Thank God.

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I'm pretty sure they would have swam away.

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Well, and if they blew them up, they'd be like floating to the top.

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Peace.

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Hey, is that a whale fin?

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Whoops.

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No submarines.

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No, because not Japanese, not American by accident, nothing.

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Thank goodness for that.

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Not whales, not confused dolphins, nothing.

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So what was it?

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The sonar picked up a magnetic deposit or rocks, essentially.

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Well, yeah, because a rock formation.

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Fucking hell.

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Magnetic deposit, rocks.

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So he's like, oh my god, attack!

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Yeah, pretty much.

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Amos is like, there's no more food.

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Yeah.

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Sorry, buddy.

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Admiral Frank Fletcher reviewed the report and essentially said, quote, this guy just spent three days bombing geology.

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Oh, that's that is fucking awesome.

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Bombing geology.

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Oh, that is fan fucking tastic.

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The Navy, the Navy noted that Hubbard lacked the essential qualities of judgment, leadership, and cooperation.

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Well, in his defense, they kind of just said, hey man, we need you.

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Yeah.

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Do this.

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But the but the military, I think, understood what was happening.

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They said, We've made a terrible mistake.

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Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

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Well, they're gonna lose again because L.

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Ron Hubbard was not done yet.

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He's like, by jove, I think I've got it.

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Let's attack.

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Barely a month later, Hubbard and the PC-815 were conducting gunnery drills off of San Diego, so pretty far south, California.

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Yeah.

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His orders were simple.

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Stay within U.S.

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waters, don't start any wars.

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Okay.

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Somehow.

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He started a war?

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Not quite.

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Okay.

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But some somehow that message got scrambled between his ears.

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So instead, he took this the ship south and anchored off of the Coronado Islands, which fun fact, belong to Mexico.

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I say that doesn't sound like an American territory.

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So the Coronado Islands.

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Where is that like the Baja area?

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Is that like part of that or off of that?

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I don't even know where the Bajas are.

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The Baja of California, which is part of Mexico.

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It's like that weird little I might have to look that up.

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Peninsula.

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The Baja of California.

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Yeah.

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Oh.

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That's California.

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Well, it's Mexico, but it's called the Baja of California.

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Oh, gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha.

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Um.

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I didn't so I looked up the Coronado Islands, but I did not see it in compared to the Baja of California.

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Do you know now?

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So let me confirm that.

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Okay.

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I was just curious for context in my brain, where where that would be considered, how close that would be.

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Oh.

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Hold please.

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Hold please.

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Okay, okay, okay.

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So it is, it's on it's on the eastern waters of the Baja.

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So Tijuana's right there.

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Oh, so it's uh it's in the Gulf then?

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That little Gulf area?

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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Okay, so this is the Baja?

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Yeah.

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It's right there.

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So that's the western waters?

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Sorry.

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Yeah.

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Jesus Christ.

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Lord have mercy.

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I oh man.

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I'm having a brain moment.

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You're having a day.

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Out of my life.

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Okay, so San Diego and Tijuana, they're like across borders, right?

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Right.

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So the Coronado Islands are pretty, pretty darn close.

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Have you ever been to San Diego?

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Yes, once.

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I went to their zoo.

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It's pretty cool.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So he apparently thought that they were uninhabited U.S.

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property.

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Oh, for fuck's sake.

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He wanted some target practice, so he opened fire.

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Wow.

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Really?

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Three-inch shells, machine guns, the whole kit and caboodle.

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Mexican fishermen on the islands.

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Are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Whoa! Don't for cover.

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Like, what do we do?

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Oh my god.

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We got a fishing permit.

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I don't know how that works.

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We got a fishing permit.

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I swear I did, I went through all the proper channels.

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Oh my god.

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Got a fishing permit.

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It's fantastic.

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Within hours, the U.S.

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Navy received a pretty furious but diplomatic message from Mexico.

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Cease and desist.

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Um, why are your ships shelling Mexico?

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Mine would have been like, dude, wow.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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I thought we were going on here.

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I thought we were good.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you took Texas from us.

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What the fuck?

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So Hubbard's defense was, oh, I didn't realize that wasn't America.

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Plausible deniability?

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Is that no?

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That doesn't really fit there.

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The Navy charged him, which means I had to look this up because I was like, oh, was he car court martial court-martialed, but he was not.

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He was investigated.

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So he was charged, but they investigated that charge, essentially.

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Right.

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With firing unauthorized gunnery, anchoring in foreign waters, and ignoring direct orders.

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I mean, what a fucking idiot.

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There were other big fish to fry during World War II, so they're not going to court-martial it.

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No, I guess that.

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Yeah.

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Did they fry them with depth charges from his boat?

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They should have.

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Fucking hell.

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On July 7th, 1943.

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He just attacked geology.

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I fucking loved that.

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Sorry.

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Anyways.

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L.

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Ron Hubbard was relieved of command after 80 days.

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So he did that attack and this let's practice firing all within 80 days.

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Good fucking God.

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What a clown.

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This was so he was demoted.

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Obviously, he was taken off the ships.

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And this wasn't his first emotion.

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Before the submarine fiasco off of Oregon, he'd been removed from command of another patrol vessel called the YP422.

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Okay.

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After the yard commandant described him as, quote, not temperamentally fit for independent duty.

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So do not let this man near a steering wheel.

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Do you find it really funny that this person said those exact words and they're like, nah, we'll give him another shot.

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I know, I know.

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I mean, again, I understand we were in World War II, shit was hitting the fan everywhere.

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Yeah, people they people were needed.

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People were needed.

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So they're like, well, he's in our ranks.

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Let's do this.

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Yeah.

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So I I I do get it from that kind of standpoint, but what the fuck?

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Yeah.

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So the Navy expected him to oversee like final fitting and readiness of the ship before it entered service.

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Yeah.

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And during that very short assignment, Hubbard managed.

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Excuse me.

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Hubbard managed to annoy nearly every superior offers officers that he reported to.

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Yeah.

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He argued over orders, claimed to know better than the engineers.

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Oh, for what is okay.

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He filed verbose memos on trivial issues and verbose and tried to give orders outside of his chain of command.

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Say, hey, Admiral, come here.

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Yeah.

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What?

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So within weeks, the commandant of the Boston Navy Yard wrote a blunt evaluation.

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Oh dear.

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This officer is not temperamentally fitted for independent command.

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He is gar garuless.

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What is it?

00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:11.440
Garuless?

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I'm not familiar with that word.

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Let's see what it says.

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Garuless.

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I'm curious because that is a new talkative.

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That's what that means.

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And tries to give the impression of erudition.

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He also seems to think he has unusual ability in most lines.

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Jesus.

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These characteristics indicate he will require close supervision.

00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:36.640
Oh, that's fucking great.

00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:42.160
This man talks too much, thinks he's a genius, and needs adult supervision at all times.

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He's a fucking child.

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So after the Coronado Islands debacle in July of 43, Hubbard's Hubbard's secoing career was almost over.

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So it was fizzling out pretty quick then.

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The Navy couldn't court-martial him for stupidity.

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Um, but they did quietly move him elsewhere.

00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.599
I mean, you could dishonorable discharge because he's a fucking idiot, right?

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I don't know how that works.

00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:10.400
I don't know how that works.

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So between late 1943 and 45, his posting started to look more like where can we park this guy without incident?

00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:23.200
It always reminds me in movies, especially like um, you know, stuff that deals with the FBI or whatever.

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I I I'm drawing a blank on the movie that I'm picturing in my brain right now, but it's like uh I want this guy manning a post in Alaska by the end of the day or whatever, you know, like let's let's fucking put him as far as away as we can.

00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.680
And I feel like that's what they were trying to do with this guy.

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Yeah.

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Good lord.

00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:46.319
So he was assigned at like bases and training schools and shit like that.

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Oh.

00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:49.759
So they were wait, he didn't train anybody, did he?

00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:50.400
I don't think so.

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Oh, thank God, because holy fuck.

00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:56.720
Okay, so between 43 and 44.

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Yeah.

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After losing command, Hubbard was treated at Naval Hospital in San Diego for acute gastrointestinal distress.

00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:08.160
Maybe that's why he was so dumb.

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It was diagnosed as ulcers and chronic fatigue.

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Medical reports also mention psychosomatic complaints, physical symptoms without clear medical cause.

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Yeah.

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Often linked to stress or anxiety.

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Um in 1944, um, he was assigned briefly to the Naval Small Craft Training Center in Monterey.

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He complained of eye pain, headaches, and radiation burns.

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What?

00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:42.160
Doctors found no evidence of radiation exposure.

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He was treated for mild conjunctivitis.

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Oh, good old conjunctivitis.

00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:48.960
Wow.

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In Oakland, California, in 1945, his longest hospital stay between it was like September of 1945 till I don't know, December.

00:19:58.079 --> 00:19:58.799
Yeah, December.

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Okay.

00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:03.759
He was admitted for ulcers, arthritis, and psychosomatic ills.

00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:05.599
I feel like he's doing this all to himself.

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He was later coded as psychoneurosis anxiety state.

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What say that again?

00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:16.640
Psychoneurosis anxiety state.

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Jesus Christ.

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The doctors noted pre-existing personality issues.

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No doubt.

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Really?

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Uh-huh.

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Grandiose.

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That's so great.

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But yet somehow this fucking idiot comes up with a a religion.

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And you get people like Tom Cruise, even who fucking are buy into it.

00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:48.799
Maybe that's why I don't like Tom Cruise.

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I like Tom Cruise.

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I look past his flaws.

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After the war, Hubbard left the Navy.

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Um, he began telling one, whoever would listen, that he was a decorated war hero.

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He really wasn't, though.

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He was decorated with like medical bills or discharges from medical hospitals.

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That's about it.

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He said he'd fought submarines.

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He didn't commanded he fought geology.

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Commanded convoys and suffered for his country.

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He fucking fought geology and a different country that wasn't even in the war.

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I think you call that an ally.

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I think so.

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A neutral ally.

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I mean, okay, so what the fuck?

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He claimed he'd been awarded more medals in the rec than the record showed.

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Um did it was he awarded any medals?

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So traditionally, most officers are awarded four medals.

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That is standard.

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Just for service.

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Yes, gotcha.

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That's standard.

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Okay.

00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:51.440
Based on what I've read.

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Don't quote me on that.

00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:54.319
No, but what you've seen.

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Do your own research.

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But he was like, Oh, they probably don't show all of my um there's so many my records because they're probably covering up my classified missions.

00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:09.440
Oh my so he's just a fucking charlatan.

00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:10.960
What a dick.

00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:17.200
I'm starting to even hate Scientology even more than I did before, and I didn't fucking like it at all.

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Hubbard's storytelling instinct kicked in, and before long, his war stories had become fantasticals.

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Imagine that.

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Battering this battling the submarines, he survived enemy fire, he commanded fleets, and then when those fleets?

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Good lord.

00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:44.480
And then when those tails stopped working, he founded Scientology and promoted himself to Commodore of his own private navy called the Sea Org.

00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:52.160
That's why I said he kind of didn't get off the water, but so what year did he actually found Scientology?

00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:53.920
Did you come across that?

00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:54.720
Yeah.

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But you don't recall.

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I don't remember what I think it was in the 50s, 50s or 60s.

00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:06.559
It's been around that fucking long.

00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:07.039
Yeah.

00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:07.599
Yeah.

00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:10.480
Why did a lot of Hollywood people buy into that?

00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:12.480
I don't either.

00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:20.480
Okay, so in the late 1960s, yeah, so he self-styled himself as a spiritual leader.

00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:21.359
Fucking hell.

00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:22.880
But he does take to the sea again.

00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:30.799
He purchases a small flotile of ships, surrounds himself with followers, and sails around the Mediterranean, preaching cosmic enlightenment.

00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:31.920
Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:35.839
So apparently you can have some sort of like private navy for yourself.

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You just it it's not organized or anything, and it has nothing to do with the US Navy.

00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:41.279
Obviously, yeah.

00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:41.839
I don't know.

00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:42.559
That's very strange.

00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:44.319
So it's just he owns a bunch of boats.

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Yeah, basically.

00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:46.079
Is what it is.

00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:46.720
Okay.

00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:49.920
So crew members addressed him as Commodore.

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Orders came with the same kind of military flair that got him relieved in 43.

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There were uniforms and ceremonies and drills and chaos.

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He wanted the control and the and the flair and everything with that he claimed he he did.

00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:06.079
Yeah.

00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:07.519
But he's like, you know what?

00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:08.720
I'm not done with this.

00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:12.559
I'm gonna make people fucking call me Commodore and whatever.

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I just unfortunately, every time you say Commodore, I just think of Commodore Norrington from Pirates of the Kirby.

00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:23.119
Anyways, he once declared a true sea captain is master of both mind and vessel.

00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:24.880
I really hate this person.

00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:28.319
Okay, so why'd you attack Mexico then?

00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:29.359
Yeah.

00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:32.160
Why why'd you why'd you attack the fishermen?

00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:34.160
They're just wanting some fucking bass or something.

00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:37.039
I don't know if they have bass down there, but you know what I mean?

00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:38.640
It's like, what the fuck?

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Okay, so in his own writings, he was a fearless commodore who outwitted submarines, led men into battle, triumphed through courage and willpower.

00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:58.319
In Navy archives, he's the guy who mistook a magnetic rock formation as an invading fleet and was told to please stop shooting at neutral countries.

00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:03.119
Oh my god, this fucking idiot.

00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:08.880
So in years later, Scientology would embrace Hubbard's naval career as proof of his leadership.

00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:09.680
Oh my god.

00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:13.119
There are photos of him in uniform, proudly standing on deck.

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They were used for inspiration for his followers.

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Was he just sitting there like looking out to the ocean?

00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:21.519
Like I'm looking to the future.

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Most of his crew likely prayed for calm calm seas, not out of superstition, but because calm scene seas meant fewer opportunities for their commander to take initiative.

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They're like, no, we got calm water, so you don't have to do anything.

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You know what?

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So my dad was in the Navy.

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Yeah.

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And every time I see this, because I've I've known this saying since I was little, because of my dad being in the Navy.

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But anytime you see, you know, in the morning, this it's red, you know, like the sun's coming up, you know, red or at night, you know.

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Uh and it was always the saying is uh red sky at night, sailor's delight, red sky in morning, sailor take warning.

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Yeah.

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I I've heard something like that.

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I still don't know what the fuck that means.

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And my dad told me that for the last, I don't know, well, he's been gone for almost a year, 45 years of my life.

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So kind of like an omen almost.

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Yeah, where's supposed to be like choppier waters or whatever?

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Remember, remember in Lord of the Rings, where like blood has shed this morning because it was like a red sky.

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Yeah.

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That's all I could think of.

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That was a great input.

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Thank you.

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So speaking of Lord of the Rings, this has nothing to do with anything.

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I saw a video.

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Um, so they actually have where they built the Shire.

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Like it's that's I saw this video.

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Where the the the wedding?

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The wedding.

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Yeah, that was so cute.

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Or fucking uh Frodo, obviously Elijah Wood.

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Elijah Wood, yeah.

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These people are getting married, they're dressed up all like Lord of the Rings people, and he just fucking shows up.

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That was awesome.

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He was on vacation, yeah.

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I just I love I love when people like that do that kind of shit because that probably made their fucking day.

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Yeah, he essentially like showed up to this wedding.

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He's like, Oh hey guys, I want a picture real quick.

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Yeah, and he's like, you know, congratulating them or whatever.

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But it's funny because it's like that literally probably made their day, and that was the day they were fucking getting married.

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So it's just anyways, sorry.

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That has nothing to do with this douchebag.

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No, that's okay.

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So by the time he died in 86, um, Hubbard's official biography included the phrase decorated war hero.

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He's not there's even an anecdote unverified um that when Hubbard's service record was reviewed in the 1950s, an officer supposedly scrawled in the margin, quote, service not outstanding, end quote.

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It wasn't.

00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:44.480
Yeah, so wow.

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This this man in 80 days of command managed to wage war against nothing and fire upon someone who wasn't even an enemy.

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And that was just a one little stint of L.

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Ron Hubbard's he waged war against geology.

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That is the best fucking quote ever.

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Oh my god, what a fucking piece of shit.

00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:09.599
Yeah, and but yet all these people follow him, and it's fucking weird.

00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:11.039
Like the shit they gotta do.

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Like, that's what uh Leah Remini, who um I still know her from Save by the Bell personally.

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Gosh, that she had such a small role in that show.

00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:23.200
But that's where I first Kings and Queens or Kings of Queens or something.

00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:24.480
King of Queens?

00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:26.960
Yeah, that one Queens of Kings, anyways.

00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:31.440
Um uh I I I remember her from Say by the Bell.

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I never watched King of Queens, but um she is very outspoken up against Scientology because she was a part of it and blah blah blah.

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I don't know much about it, yeah, in-depth wise, but it's fucking weird.

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I don't get it.

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Yeah, that's all I have to say about that.

00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:50.960
Well, I suppose.

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