Aug. 4, 2025

Threadbare Underwear: Hetty Green

Threadbare Underwear: Hetty Green

The tale of America's wealthiest woman reads like fiction, yet Hetty Green's extraordinary life defied all expectations of Gilded Age wealth. Born in 1834 to a prosperous Quaker family, young Hetty wasn't groomed for society balls—she was trained in finance, reading financial newspapers to her grandfather by age six and managing the family ledgers by thirteen. While robber barons of her era flaunted their fortunes with mansions and diamonds, Hetty took a radically different approach. The "Wi...

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The tale of America's wealthiest woman reads like fiction, yet Hetty Green's extraordinary life defied all expectations of Gilded Age wealth. Born in 1834 to a prosperous Quaker family, young Hetty wasn't groomed for society balls—she was trained in finance, reading financial newspapers to her grandfather by age six and managing the family ledgers by thirteen.

While robber barons of her era flaunted their fortunes with mansions and diamonds, Hetty took a radically different approach. The "Witch of Wall Street" amassed a fortune that would make today's billionaires blush while living in cheap apartments, wearing the same black dress until it fell apart, and eating oatmeal warmed on radiators. Her financial philosophy was deceptively simple: buy low when nobody wants something, sell high when everybody does. During the Civil War, she purchased devalued "greenbacks" that others considered worthless, holding them until their value skyrocketed when backed by gold in 1875.

What drove this extraordinary contradiction? For Hetty, money represented something beyond material comfort—it was freedom in a world where women had precious little. By the time she died in 1916 following an argument about milk, her fortune had grown to $100-200 million (approximately $2.5-5 billion today), surpassing the wealth of J.P. Morgan, the Vanderbilts, and the Astors. Her children ultimately rejected her extreme frugality, with her son Ned embracing luxury while her daughter Sylvia became a philanthropist. Beyond the caricature of miserliness lies the story of a financial genius who understood that true wealth isn't what you spend—it's what you keep. Subscribe now to hear more remarkable stories of history's most fascinating and overlooked figures.

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00:16 - Introduction to History Buffoons

05:10 - Hetty Green: America's Wealthiest Woman

14:52 - The Science of Saving and Investing

25:30 - The Witch of Wall Street

36:52 - Family Life and Personal Choices

48:32 - Legacy and Death of a Miser

57:14 - Final Thoughts and Sign Off

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oh, hey there oh, hey there how are you?

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I'm good how are you okay?

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excellent, I am uh bradley and I'm kate this is history, buffoons sure is yeah, we like the buffoons of history, yeah, so there it's us.

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We're the two.

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Me and you.

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Yeah, we're buffoons.

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Yeah.

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We have some honorary buffoons out there.

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Yeah, we do Al Tara your parents, tara your parents, a couple other smattering of people.

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It's pretty great because they all give us feedback ideas, all that.

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I feel like my beard keeps it in my microphone.

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I have a big beard.

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Okay, do you have a question for me?

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Yes, should we open a beer first, beer first?

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Yeah, I want to do that.

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Okay, so what did I get you for this?

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You keep doing that every time you pick a beverage up.

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My computer fell.

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If you're not watching well, no one can really see it so but you know.

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I am so excited.

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Tell them why you're excited because of the last time we tried to get this.

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Okay, so the bar that we like to go to every once in a while in Elkhart Lake Brown Bear.

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Yes, they have the Seattle Cider Basil Mint Hard Cider.

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Yes.

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And I ordered it the last time and they didn't have this flavor and I don't know if it was just sold out or they didn't renew it, or whatever the fact.

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From what I gathered, I could be wrong it sounds like they just brought in a different flavor to change it up is what it seemed like to me.

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I could be wrong.

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And I said boo on you.

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Yeah.

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And then Bradley went and found some basil mint.

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Yeah, and then Bradley went and found some basil mint, yeah, so I get to sip on this.

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I'm so excited.

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She's obviously had it on the podcast before I'm not a cider person but this one is just so unique.

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Yeah, I really like the flavoring of it.

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It's so good.

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Like you said, a sipper it's definitely not a chugging type beverage, but it's nice to sip on once in a while.

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So I thought it's been a minute since we did it on here and it's also been a minute since you had one, because they didn't have it the last time, so I thought that would be a good one.

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So I have two different kinds from avery.

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Shout out to al and uh, he said that's a quality pickup.

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I did.

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I got a variety pack.

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So okay I have had the ma Maharaja on here before, which was fucking delicious, and I think we even when we were talking about it.

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I think that's still my favorite one so far that I've had.

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Oh good.

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So thanks again, al, but what I have here is the Avery IPA.

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It's a Colorado India pale ale and I love Colorado.

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It's also from India pale ale and I love Colorado.

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I know it's also from Colorado.

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So yeah and yeah.

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So it's what did you say?

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You read it before it's up at the green oh floral.

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Yeah, resonance, resonance, crisp.

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So I'm going to try this.

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I don't think I've ever had this one before.

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I think Al said he did and he said it's solid, but he hasn't tried the other ones.

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I can already smell the basil.

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Cheers.

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I can smell the basil Now I really want a salad with some basil in it.

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I wish you liked salad, because I like spinach salad with salmon on it.

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Adding just a touch of basil in a lettuce salad is so good.

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Well, you know, someday, when I die, I'll eat one.

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I just I love the basil in this.

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I'm glad you do.

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Well, I'm glad I decided to go with that, because I almost got you something different another lager that I'm pretty sure you haven't had.

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But then I thought of that and I'm like that's, that's a, that's a good idea, it's a great idea I'm glad that you're uh enjoying it so this is also very floral, very resinous, and it is quite crisp.

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No, this is delicious how does that compare to the maharaja?

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quite different, where that's a little more dinky ipa-ish, it's like, because it's a double.

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Is that?

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What imperial fuck?

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I got one.

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I'll have to look at it, but, um, this one is a little bit more piney than what that one is, so um, and what's the other beer that you have?

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I have the highliner hazy ipa, so we'll hold it up there.

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This one is tropical smooth, juicy, so it is a hazy, so it's uh well, this one's also 6.5, this one's 6 minus 6.9.

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Is that one 6.9?

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Or maybe it was 5.9?

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holy balls 6.9 damn, I didn't realize it was that much yeah, that's crazy.

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Definitely a sipper for me yeah.

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So this one's a hazy india pale ale which typically are, like it says, more juicy, which I've really.

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I love traditional ipas like sierra torpedo is my, I think, still my favorite.

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Sorry I said it down, but um, I have been.

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I've noticed over the last few years I've kind of shifted up to having a little more on the hazy side because, like they're a hazy little thing from sierra is a go-to and uh, I rather enjoy those, but I do like this one, this one's delicious wonderful I like the can too.

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It's got mountains and shit no shit coming out of a hop.

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It looks like so okay.

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So if you were independently wealthy, yes, what are some of the things that you would do with that money?

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I would make my silo into a tower with a bar at the top and an observatory and the second level would be a library.

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Love it, that would be fucking amazing.

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So the property I live on is an old farmstead house like property.

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They used to have many, many acres and that's why my house is 10 years older than Wisconsin and I do have a silo.

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It's not that old, it's a newer silo.

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You can tell by the concrete.

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But I have dreams of someday having enough money to make that also the entrance of my house and build a new house off of it and then have that stuff above so like the only way I'd want to get to the library level would be from the second floor and then from the library you would go up to the bar observatory and I'd have it fully stocked with lots of bourbons and beers and probably a couple other spirits.

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So, yeah, I think that would be fucking great.

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Yeah, and have some cool windows that you could open up so you get a nice breeze in there and shit, because I bet it would be fantastic up there Because it's a pretty tall silo and it's funny, when we first moved here this is obviously pre-kids and stuff I'd have my brothers over and a couple buddies or whatever and we'd party in the silo and just drink beers and shit in the silo.

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And now that xavier's around, he always wants to go play in the silo and I'm like not right now, I have to clear around it.

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There's a lot of trees and shit that I've grown up around it.

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but probably all the beer cans inside too there's still bottles of beer.

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There's a chair that I left there like literally probably eight uh, eight or so years ago, we'll call it, and because of it being open, there's a lot of turkey vultures that like to land up there.

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And there's other birds.

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There's a lot of bird shit on that chair so I'm just gonna leave it there until I can throw it away.

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But yeah, that was my bad for leaving it there.

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Well, we are going to talk about one of the richest women that the world has ever seen.

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Oh really, yes, interesting.

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And she was also very poor looking.

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If she was a man, would she have made 25% more.

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Probably we're going to talk about Hetty green, heady green.

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Okay, she was born henrietta howland robinson okay, on november 21st 1834 okay in new bedford, massachusetts.

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Oh okay, she was born into a quaker and they were already really well off.

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Oh really.

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They had a very successful whaling company.

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Oh shit.

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And they also dabbled quite a bit in the China trade.

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Okay.

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Like dishes, exactly Okay.

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So we're talking about like that was sarcasm, folks, I know, just in case.

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Just wanted to be clear.

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I was not actually meaning dishes um, but this family was like the richest of its kind in in this town in massachusetts.

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Yes, new bedford new bedford, but like pretty much yeah is that like close to boston?

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I actually didn't google where it was at oh shit, shit.

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I feel like that's a missed opportunity.

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I mean just for people like I don't know where new bedford is, but in terms of like a lot of people know where boston is or at least can get a better idea, I guess is why I asked that.

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Yeah, but um.

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So new bedford is um right on the water, if you can understand that so the east, east, east coast yeah okay well, it makes sense.

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If they had a whaling business, they did right so boston is also on the water, but it is.

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It's very, very, very north, like it's boston is north boston is very north new bedford is on the southern coast.

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Yeah, gotcha, okay, have you ever been to Massachusetts.

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I don't think so.

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I think the closest I've been is Delaware.

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I went there once and almost choked on a mozzarella stick.

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I have also choked on a mozzarella stick, yeah we've shared those stories.

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That's how I was my sister.

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Yeah.

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Okay, moving on.

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Anyways, choked on a mozzarella stick yeah, we've shared those stories.

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That's how's my sister yeah, okay, moving on anyways, okay, so heady was grew up as an only child.

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She did have a younger brother, but he passed away as an infant, okay, um, but so she was basically brought up as a son.

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Um, her father basically showed her the whaling business, constant business talk, lots of financial discussions, that kind of thing.

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Okay, so just basically prepping her yes, for the most part, yes, okay.

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When she was two, Hetty was sent to live with her grandfather, Gideon Howland.

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Okay.

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And sometimes her great aunt.

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We'll just call her Aunt Sylvia.

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Aunt Sylvia, mm-hmm times her great aunt.

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Um, we'll just call her aunt sylvia, aunt sylvia.

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Her mom was sick a lot so she was kind of passed off on to other family members for a time, but she remained pretty close to her father okay um by age six, while the other kids were kind of reading bedtime stories heady yeah who was a great reader and also her grandfather did not see very well, she was reading the financial newspapers to her grandfather.

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Oh, that was nice of her.

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Out loud yeah.

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Sure.

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She learned to read ledgers and track commodities and other words.

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I don't understand.

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I'm not a financial person.

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I'm surprised you understood the word commodities.

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What's a commodity?

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Exactly yeah the word commodities.

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What's it come on exactly?

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Yeah, when her grandfather passed away, um, and her dad, edward, basically took over the whaling business, heady just kept doing her thing, so she would read the news to him, because he also kind of had some poor eyesight.

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Um, so thanks to all this, like early training throughout her younger years, um, she became the family bookkeeper at 13 years old holy shit that's impressive because I know a lot of people three times that age.

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I couldn't do it plus a year looking at her that's why I said plus a year.

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I'm keeping that as a as a sound bite yes, I just turned 40, thank you you're welcome so because of her upbringing they were actually quakers.

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They had a very simple and frugal lifestyle, right um, and she basically took that to like epic proportions sure she ran with it.

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Oh, yeah, yeah as a teenager, heady wasn't exactly like the quintessential, like rich girl person.

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No, um, she did go to finishing school but she wanted nothing to do with fanciness and parlors and pearls and what other p words you can think of.

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Pears.

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Pears Didn't like pears I had no idea.

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Parliament no, no corsets, no ball gowns, nothing like that, nothing frivolous.

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Her family worried that she'd never find a husband.

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Oh shit.

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Because she wouldn't act proper or what they thought was proper.

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Well, they also dad also raised her as a boy pretty much, so I mean just intellectually as a, as a boy like I get that you're gonna take after me, but don't you think that would also kind of veer you your whole life in that direction, because that's how you're learning.

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So sorry about that, that's how you're learning.

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So I mean, I feel like she would take on some other characteristics of that and that's just straight up're learning.

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So I mean, I feel like she would take on some other characteristics of that, and that's just straight up.

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Like you know, I'm not a woman.

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But at the same time, she just would be like, well, whatever, I'm doing this because this is what dad taught me and so I'm gonna focus more on that stuff.

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Yeah, so well, when she turned 20, her dad was like no, you need to look more like a part, like a woman.

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So here's 1200 fancy wardrobe.

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Wow, that had to be a lot back then $24,000.

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Holy shit.

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You did say they were wealthy, uh-huh so.

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She donated her clothes.

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Oh like.

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So she went and bought it and then just donated it.

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Well, I think she mostly sold it because she was so financially savvy.

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She sold her whole batch and invested the money in government bonds instead.

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Oh, my God At a 20-year-old.

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Yeah.

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Jesus Christ.

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So she was super close with her dad, as I said, and she was also fairly close to her Aunt Sylvia, who was also rich in her own right.

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Her, um, aunt sylvia, who was also rich in her own right, okay, um, but at one point she kind of had a little bit of a devastating a couple of years.

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Her parents and aunt sylvia all died within like like five, seven years of each other in the 1860s damn lost a lot of yeah, a few short years right.

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So her dad left her somewhere between five to seven million dollars, which is approximately 122 million today that is wild yeah, most of it was tied up in trusts okay had.

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He could only get the interest out of that I suppose yeah and aunt.

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Aunt Sylvia was a little bit stingier.

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Out of her $2 million estate, which was about $41 million, half went to charity and the rest was in a trust for Hedy.

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Okay.

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Okay, hedy did not like this.

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Probably not.

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She did not want other people to control her money.

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She didn't want this trust.

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She didn't want banks to hold on to this.

00:15:27.042 --> 00:15:31.340
No, she clearly could do it on her own because she's been running the ledger since 13.

00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:33.467
And that's what she was convinced of.

00:15:33.467 --> 00:15:35.687
I can do this better than anyone.

00:15:35.687 --> 00:15:36.068
Right?

00:15:36.068 --> 00:15:41.631
She could grow that money better than any trustee could.

00:15:41.812 --> 00:15:42.052
Yeah.

00:15:43.624 --> 00:16:12.674
So she took matters into her own hands okay and she challenged aunt sylvia's will in court wow she produced what she claimed was an earlier version of the will and that in the will she was left with everything sure that blew up in her face well, I'm sure, because it probably wasn't real it wasn't real she faked it to try and get all of it the quote-unquote new will was ruled a forgery

00:16:13.395 --> 00:16:24.977
okay um one of heady's friends, um one of heady's buddies allegedly like helped fake the signature about with all this see, that's where you go wrong right away.

00:16:25.018 --> 00:16:26.081
You're trying to get all this.

00:16:26.081 --> 00:16:28.006
You already technically have half of it.

00:16:28.006 --> 00:16:31.303
You're just trying to get the other half, you start forging shit.

00:16:31.323 --> 00:16:40.907
That's gonna not go well for you well, the court case robinson versus mandel dragged on for years and it was one of the bet, the biggest, like deal.

00:16:40.907 --> 00:16:46.836
Excuse me, legal fights that used forensic accounting to prove fraud Okay.

00:16:46.836 --> 00:16:51.639
In the end, Hetty lost and had to settle around $600,000.

00:16:52.780 --> 00:16:53.604
So that's all she got.

00:16:53.745 --> 00:17:02.750
Mm-hmm, wow, and her relatives tried to get her charged with forgery and the scandal pretty much stuck with her for the rest of her life.

00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:07.951
Did her relatives try to get her caught of forgery so they could inherit what she was getting?

00:17:08.682 --> 00:17:10.407
I don't think it was about that.

00:17:10.407 --> 00:17:37.994
I think it was just about, like Aunt Sylvia's good name kind of a thing, gotcha, but the image of Hetty and the Scandal kind of pasted painted her as like ruthless and greedy and kind of a cutthroat person yeah, I can see why that would be the case, because I mean, she fucked up yeah, she sounded greedy a hundred percent.

00:17:38.055 --> 00:17:48.488
You know she was probably better off with what she was getting half of instead of trying to fucking forge her shit basically so, but that was also kind of a lesson learned.

00:17:48.748 --> 00:18:00.665
Yeah, she didn't get what she wanted no, not at all but because the quaker household was kind of a less is more, quakers weren't big on like flashing their wealth, and heady took that to heart.

00:18:00.665 --> 00:18:06.221
So she once said, quote I am a quaker and I am trying to live up to the tenets of that faith.

00:18:06.221 --> 00:18:08.867
That is why I dress plainly and live quietly.

00:18:08.867 --> 00:18:10.772
No other kind of life would please me.

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End quote okay, okay, she would not spend money on unnecessary stuff.

00:18:15.948 --> 00:18:27.622
Um, it had to be a practical thing that she was investing in I wish I could think like heady I know I buy too much dumb shit yeah same I mean not even dumb shit.

00:18:27.663 --> 00:18:34.863
I just spend money frivolously and whatever so cool but heady's dad was basically like her financial yoda.

00:18:34.863 --> 00:18:39.472
One of her favorite stories was about how he turned down a fancy cigar.

00:18:39.472 --> 00:18:43.546
He said quote I smoke four cent cigars and I like them.

00:18:43.546 --> 00:18:49.295
If I were to smoke better ones I might lose my taste for the cheap ones that I now find quite satisfactory.

00:18:49.295 --> 00:18:52.950
So he basically don't get used to luxury.

00:18:53.259 --> 00:18:55.007
Basically, he bought store brand and was cool with it.

00:18:55.007 --> 00:18:56.703
Yep Is what that is saying.

00:18:56.703 --> 00:18:58.127
Yeah, all right, fair enough.

00:18:58.368 --> 00:18:59.531
Yeah yeah.

00:18:59.531 --> 00:19:04.851
Hedy was like don't get used to luxury, otherwise you're going to want to start needing it.

00:19:04.911 --> 00:19:06.925
Essentially, You're going to start needing it.

00:19:06.925 --> 00:19:11.048
Yeah, you're going to want all that shit more often than you need, and it's not a necessary kind of thing.

00:19:12.182 --> 00:19:16.553
So she made it a point to avoid any comfort items.

00:19:16.553 --> 00:19:20.944
She never had heated water, it was always cold water.

00:19:20.944 --> 00:19:23.205
She had one black dress.

00:19:23.205 --> 00:19:29.001
For morning always cold water.

00:19:29.001 --> 00:19:29.826
She had one black dress for morning.

00:19:29.826 --> 00:19:31.875
It wouldn't well no for her everyday life which I guess could be in morning, I don't know.

00:19:31.875 --> 00:19:43.948
I mean, it sounds like it she had inexpensive food she would eat like oatmeal I like oatmeal she would put oatmeal on a radiator to warm it up well, at least it was warm what is is that.

00:19:44.189 --> 00:19:46.353
I'm just saying she's a no-frills woman.

00:19:46.353 --> 00:19:48.905
Do you like oatmeal?

00:19:53.796 --> 00:19:58.385
Not typically Growing up, I always remember it, especially in the winter because it's warm, like when we'd have to go out and shovel.

00:19:58.385 --> 00:20:00.631
I always remember my mom making me oatmeal.

00:20:00.631 --> 00:20:02.300
I loved it.

00:20:02.300 --> 00:20:05.186
You put brown sugar on it and some milk Fucking delicious, yeah, that's how I ate.

00:20:05.207 --> 00:20:06.054
It too put brown sugar on it and some milk.

00:20:06.054 --> 00:20:09.005
Fucking delicious, yeah, that's how I ate it too was brown sugar and milk.

00:20:09.005 --> 00:20:23.357
My, my dad would always make us breakfast and I feel like it was about once a week that he would be like all right, here's some oatmeal, wheat of wheat of cream of wheat cream of wheat, thank you or cereal, okay, pick one.

00:20:23.357 --> 00:20:33.587
Yeah, basically, and then other times it would be like a quiche or a breakfast sandwich or pancakes, you know but he always had that basic one yeah, if you will yeah, yeah, you said he used to make you breakfast all the time, right?

00:20:33.627 --> 00:20:37.003
yeah, now I can't not have breakfast thanks dad.

00:20:39.028 --> 00:20:48.307
Well, would you say, nathan always has to have an egg yeah, he always has eggs for breakfast whereas I know I don't think sarah eats breakfast, usually makes breakfast for the kids.

00:20:48.508 --> 00:21:18.644
I don't eat breakfast, but I also get up at the I'd say the ass crack of dawn, but that crack ain't even showing at that point, so I've been thinking about dropping trail no, it's hasn't gotten up to do its morning constitutional, so I, uh, I wish I ate breakfast, but when you wake up as early as I do, it's kind of hard to build that time in, because then I would have to wake up earlier yeah anyways, I am going to try my highliner hazy ipa.

00:21:18.824 --> 00:21:21.207
Okay, at this time how did you like the?

00:21:22.127 --> 00:21:23.189
I rather enjoyed it.

00:21:23.189 --> 00:21:24.790
It does have that more.

00:21:24.790 --> 00:21:25.652
I'm sorry.

00:21:25.652 --> 00:21:31.468
Yeah, I should have said Ralph, got the Buick there, get the Buick.

00:21:31.468 --> 00:21:39.580
It does definitely have that little more, not like overly pine taste, but you can taste that little more IPA pine taste to it so.

00:21:39.580 --> 00:21:41.826
I'm kind of curious as to how this is going to be.

00:21:41.846 --> 00:21:43.451
Let us know Right now.

00:21:52.019 --> 00:21:54.685
I went down the wrong tube, not as hazy as I thought it would be, but I like it, yeah.

00:21:54.705 --> 00:22:01.042
Yeah, there's a dude skiing on there okay let's move on anyways so, being a woman in the 1800s, heady pretty much knew the drill.

00:22:01.042 --> 00:22:07.511
If she money, she was expected to hand it over to a husband or a male trustee to manage it for you.

00:22:07.612 --> 00:22:08.272
Fuck that.

00:22:08.272 --> 00:22:09.615
Exactly that's what she thought.

00:22:09.615 --> 00:22:10.055
That's dumb.

00:22:10.055 --> 00:22:15.147
She didn't trust anyone to do this for her Because, again, she's been doing this since she was 13.

00:22:15.147 --> 00:22:16.746
Yes, she knows what the fuck she's doing.

00:22:16.746 --> 00:22:17.845
Let her fucking do it.

00:22:18.045 --> 00:22:28.491
And that really kind of like that whole aspect of like being a woman kind of lit a fire under her like threadbare underwear, so heady, like doubled down okay.

00:22:28.491 --> 00:22:39.722
And by saving every cent and building her fortune solo, she proved that she didn't need anyone else not a husband, not a banker, not a soul telling her what to do with her money.

00:22:39.722 --> 00:22:46.367
And every money, every penny she saved, was a little bit more freedom in a world that didn't give women much freedom at all.

00:22:46.367 --> 00:22:47.967
I mean, they couldn't even vote at this time.

00:22:48.339 --> 00:22:50.307
Right, well, they couldn't vote for another 100 years.

00:22:51.161 --> 00:22:51.422
What year?

00:22:51.442 --> 00:22:52.527
are we in by now.

00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:55.326
So we're in the 18.

00:22:55.326 --> 00:22:57.304
What did I say?

00:22:57.304 --> 00:22:58.609
1860s?

00:22:58.609 --> 00:23:00.419
Okay, 1840s.

00:23:01.259 --> 00:23:14.281
I mean that's quite a gap, okay, 40s I mean that's quite a gap, okay, um, so heady.

00:23:14.281 --> 00:23:16.546
Oh, so you're just glossing over that.

00:23:16.546 --> 00:23:18.188
Wow, I I expected an answer there.

00:23:18.428 --> 00:23:21.613
She was born in 34 okay and we're in.

00:23:21.633 --> 00:23:25.228
We're like near the 60s yeah, we're near the 60s.

00:23:25.228 --> 00:23:27.929
So, anyways, we're moving on, so I don't have to answer this.

00:23:27.929 --> 00:23:30.067
Fuck that you're not answering that question.

00:23:31.800 --> 00:23:36.488
I actually didn't really write down a whole bunch of years, Like during this year this happened.

00:23:37.142 --> 00:23:38.146
Well, I didn't expect that.

00:23:38.146 --> 00:23:50.388
I just wanted to generalize date range, I guess, because how old is she right now is roughly what we're talking about she's probably in her 20s or 30s still in her, yeah 20s.

00:23:50.449 --> 00:24:09.618
She was yeah, so okay we're kind of like in the gilded age, which is like the late 1870s, so like we're probably right before that Late 1870s, so probably early 1870s or right before that, yeah, or late 1860s.

00:24:09.700 --> 00:24:11.366
So she's going to be about 40 right now.

00:24:11.366 --> 00:24:13.425
Yeah, 35 to 40, roughly.

00:24:13.546 --> 00:24:14.008
Yeah, okay.

00:24:14.008 --> 00:24:17.549
So she didn't keep her money.

00:24:17.549 --> 00:24:20.189
She didn't love her money because it bought her stuff.

00:24:20.189 --> 00:24:23.028
She liked it to keep it.

00:24:23.321 --> 00:24:24.699
She was a hoarder of money.

00:24:24.699 --> 00:24:36.103
She liked to amass, yes, a fortune on her own, because she wanted to prove she could do it she had a full-blown obsession with not spending it yeah, yeah, I wish I had that problem.

00:24:36.103 --> 00:24:42.030
I know I also don't have a fortune, so I wish I had also had that problem.

00:24:42.471 --> 00:24:50.201
Hedy thrived on deals Buying, selling, lending and foreclosing.

00:24:50.201 --> 00:24:53.282
She didn't see money more as wealth.

00:24:53.282 --> 00:25:01.749
She saw it as like a scoreboard, Like I am going to be the richest because I have the money, not because I spend it Right, Not because I show everybody else that I have it.

00:25:02.150 --> 00:25:03.230
No, she didn't flaunt it.

00:25:03.611 --> 00:25:05.432
She did not flaunt it.

00:25:05.451 --> 00:25:13.518
A lot of people, especially in that age, would have the super fancy dresses and hats and gloves and whatever, yes and the mansions.

00:25:16.900 --> 00:25:41.692
Yeah, the big-ass house and the carriages and shit like that and that's when we're kind of getting into that Gilded Age where the railroad tycoons were kind of up and coming and the oil producers and and all of that and they were building the mansions and wearing yeah, because they wanted to flaunt their, their status, their wealth and everything where she just wanted to fucking like she's, like scrooge mcduck and his fucking yeah she wanted to dive into the pile of coins or like the dragons smog.

00:25:41.692 --> 00:25:42.359
Is that his name?

00:25:42.401 --> 00:25:45.326
smog, smog, the dragon, the desolation of Smog.

00:25:45.448 --> 00:25:46.169
That's the right one.

00:25:46.711 --> 00:25:47.613
Benedict Cumberbatch.

00:25:47.613 --> 00:25:50.027
I thought he did a great job with the voice of him.

00:25:50.027 --> 00:25:53.148
By the way, I also am a big fan of Benedict Cumberbatch.

00:25:53.148 --> 00:25:55.022
Did you ever hear of?

00:25:55.022 --> 00:25:56.949
You know who Zach Galifianakis is?

00:25:56.949 --> 00:26:00.548
Yeah, he did a show called Between Two Ferns.

00:26:00.647 --> 00:26:01.128
I've two ferns.

00:26:01.128 --> 00:26:01.548
I've seen it.

00:26:01.548 --> 00:26:02.529
I've seen clips of it.

00:26:02.549 --> 00:26:26.131
It's so funny but there was one time and I'm probably gonna quote him wrong on this, but there was one where he had because it's it's supposed to be funny, he's asking him questions, basically as insults, but it's it's, yeah, known, whatever, yeah, and he, he invented a cumberbatch on and he goes uh, do you think if you didn't have an accent, people know how crappy of an actor you are, something like that.

00:26:26.540 --> 00:26:27.727
I know I'm butchering the quote.

00:26:27.727 --> 00:26:32.826
It's not even close, but it's a blooper, so they just start fucking cracking up.

00:26:32.826 --> 00:26:37.665
But anyways, we talked about Benedict Cumberbatch and I went on a fucking tangent.

00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:39.165
That wasn't a great one either.

00:26:39.165 --> 00:26:43.166
You can go something Fly a kite.

00:26:43.949 --> 00:26:44.230
Okay.

00:26:44.230 --> 00:26:48.224
So I was going gonna say jump off a cliff, but okay rude.

00:26:48.224 --> 00:26:50.028
Well, I don't want to flag kite.

00:26:50.028 --> 00:26:52.736
There's lightning out there okay.

00:26:52.776 --> 00:26:59.431
So while everybody in the gilded age were building mansions wearing diamonds, was she building smaller stuff?

00:27:00.032 --> 00:27:01.981
she roasting peacocks.

00:27:01.981 --> 00:27:04.243
Well, we are at a zoo.

00:27:05.525 --> 00:27:10.871
She would eat cold oatmeal, or Radiated oatmeal or radiated oatmeal.

00:27:10.871 --> 00:27:14.954
She had one dress, black, mm-hmm.

00:27:14.954 --> 00:27:17.096
She lived like a pauper.

00:27:17.096 --> 00:27:20.020
She had a tiny apartment.

00:27:20.060 --> 00:27:22.823
Oh, she didn't even have a house, nope, just an apartment she rented.

00:27:22.843 --> 00:27:24.825
Okay, yep, she had a tiny house.

00:27:24.964 --> 00:27:32.651
That seems odd for someone who wants to amass wealth that she would rent, because you're not gaining anything out of that, even back then.

00:27:32.891 --> 00:27:33.112
Yeah.

00:27:33.711 --> 00:27:39.916
You would think that she would want to own her residence, so it could be then paid off, so it could amass some type of value.

00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:43.428
Well, maybe she's like me and be like I don't.

00:27:43.428 --> 00:27:54.901
I want to rent, because then I don't have to deal with shit yeah, but I think renting in 1870 compared to renting in 2025 is quite fucking different.

00:27:54.941 --> 00:28:01.284
Yeah, uh, whereas like now you got well, it's no landlord's got to shovel that and so on, or mow the lawn.

00:28:01.284 --> 00:28:06.121
If there is a lawn wherever you might be, back then I'm guessing it was a little bit different.

00:28:06.121 --> 00:28:10.128
I'm not sure what, but I don't think it's the same is what I'm saying.

00:28:10.288 --> 00:28:16.347
So and because of how she looked and how she acted, with the amount of money behind her.

00:28:16.347 --> 00:28:19.280
Um, the press loved her, I'm sure.

00:28:19.442 --> 00:28:24.015
Oh yeah, oh yeah, um so she didn't donate money, did she?

00:28:24.395 --> 00:28:29.029
She did Did she yeah but she was incredibly private About it.

00:28:29.029 --> 00:28:34.211
Yeah, she did not tell people what funds she was using.

00:28:34.211 --> 00:28:40.932
She didn't tell people what bonds she was buying or stock or anything like that.

00:28:40.932 --> 00:28:42.054
She was very, very private.

00:28:42.054 --> 00:28:44.348
So even when she gave it away, nobody knew.

00:28:44.779 --> 00:28:46.445
So she kept it close to the vest.

00:28:46.645 --> 00:28:47.367
Close to the vest.

00:28:47.367 --> 00:28:47.769
Look at that.

00:28:47.789 --> 00:28:49.153
She was very, very private, so even when she gave it away, nobody knew.

00:28:49.153 --> 00:28:49.976
So she kept it close to the vest.

00:28:49.976 --> 00:28:50.337
Close to the vest.

00:28:50.337 --> 00:28:51.099
Look at that Bringing it back Mm-hmm.

00:28:51.980 --> 00:28:52.744
She once said.

00:28:52.744 --> 00:28:59.032
Quote my life is written for me down in Wall Street by people who do not care to know one iota, iota.

00:28:59.032 --> 00:29:00.846
There it is Of the real Hetty Green.

00:29:00.846 --> 00:29:02.403
I go my own way.

00:29:02.403 --> 00:29:06.452
Therefore, I am, madam Ishmael, set against every man, end quote.

00:29:06.579 --> 00:29:07.625
What is, madam Ishmael?

00:29:07.625 --> 00:29:09.205
It's a reference to something.

00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:11.228
So Ishmael is call me Ishmael.

00:29:11.228 --> 00:29:12.443
That's a Moby Dick person.

00:29:12.443 --> 00:29:14.088
That's what I thought, yeah, yeah.

00:29:14.450 --> 00:29:14.671
Okay.

00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:26.800
So I've never read Moby Dick, so I'm assuming it's a very independent person and she's like I.

00:29:26.861 --> 00:29:27.403
I am mad at Mishma.

00:29:27.403 --> 00:29:28.550
I don't know, I'm just making shit up.

00:29:28.550 --> 00:29:29.897
That is an accurate statement.

00:29:30.820 --> 00:29:39.114
So while the boys of Wall Street were like puffing cigars and playing risky games with money, she was racking up the millions quietly.

00:29:39.394 --> 00:29:39.694
Yeah.

00:29:39.734 --> 00:29:48.494
Okay, she would buy things when they were low and nobody wanted them and keep them until they went up in price and people went crazy over them.

00:29:48.635 --> 00:29:51.583
sure, okay, I mean, that's what you do yeah, she said.

00:29:51.623 --> 00:29:51.903
Quote.

00:29:51.903 --> 00:29:54.131
I believe in getting in at the bottom and out on top.

00:29:54.131 --> 00:29:58.935
When I see a good thing going cheap because nobody wants it, I buy a lot of it and tuck it away.

00:29:59.137 --> 00:30:11.357
End quote well, and the thing is she had plenty of money where I couldn't do this.

00:30:11.357 --> 00:30:17.516
Yeah, stick it to the side until, oh shit, look at that it raised up all of this, yeah, so I mean she.

00:30:17.516 --> 00:30:26.838
She did it right where she could almost gamble on just buying it and putting it aside until it was well worth what she wanted it.

00:30:26.878 --> 00:30:28.923
Yeah, um.

00:30:28.923 --> 00:30:33.219
So one of hetty's biggest money moves came during the civil war.

00:30:33.219 --> 00:30:40.154
Um, she went in on union war bonds and greenbacks so what are greenbacks?

00:30:40.154 --> 00:30:45.304
They were early us currency that wasn't backed by gold okay um.

00:30:45.304 --> 00:31:01.781
So most people thought that greenbacks were risky and dumped them for super cheap okay she saw the bargain and bought them all she bought piles of them at a discount and held on to them until 1875, when congress decided to back those greenbacks with actual gold.

00:31:02.364 --> 00:31:06.281
Oh wow, and then their value skyrocketed I wonder how much she made off of that.

00:31:06.281 --> 00:31:11.653
Then, probably a lot, yeah, because I'm sure she got a boatload for cheap.

00:31:11.973 --> 00:31:12.234
Yes.

00:31:12.615 --> 00:31:12.935
Wow.

00:31:13.856 --> 00:31:21.286
So she had her fingers in real estate, railroads, mines, mortgages and mortgages across the country.

00:31:21.730 --> 00:31:23.538
Oh, so she just didn't stick it to East Coast.

00:31:23.911 --> 00:31:25.134
No, she was everywhere.

00:31:25.134 --> 00:31:26.599
Okay, she was everywhere.

00:31:26.911 --> 00:31:28.529
She was an equal opportunity buyer.

00:31:28.871 --> 00:31:33.722
She enjoyed lending people money, waiting for them to default and then take their property.

00:31:33.722 --> 00:31:42.354
Oh well, I mean, that's what happens if you default, I guess.

00:31:42.354 --> 00:31:43.876
Yep, she also played it very safe and very smart.

00:31:43.876 --> 00:31:46.402
She always went for steady income over like risky debt uh bets um.

00:31:46.402 --> 00:31:51.336
Other wall street guys were gambling on stocks and using borrowed money and she avoided.

00:31:51.336 --> 00:32:03.405
She avoided uh margins, essentially sure um and they that move like helped her keep her like nice and stable during financial crashes as well okay um.

00:32:03.547 --> 00:32:14.797
So there were quite a few millionaires at that time who ended up going bankrupt over like financial crises throughout the times because they just weren't set up properly yeah, and heady never went bankrupt, of course.

00:32:14.797 --> 00:32:19.643
So if she had a superpower, it would be liquidity.

00:32:19.643 --> 00:32:21.346
She always had cash ready.

00:32:21.346 --> 00:32:34.939
Um, when the economy would tank, everyone else was begging for help and they would go to heady well, I mean, she had the funds, so I understand why they would go there she would charge like a nice little interest rate.

00:32:34.959 --> 00:32:37.898
She wasn't exorbitant with her interest rates, but she would get her money.

00:32:37.898 --> 00:32:39.571
She would get her money absolutely.

00:32:39.571 --> 00:32:40.593
Um.

00:32:40.593 --> 00:32:43.838
She called the panic of 1907, years before it happened.

00:32:43.838 --> 00:32:44.961
Um the.

00:32:44.961 --> 00:32:55.223
The panic of 1907 was a stock market and banking crisis um that kicked off by greedy speculators who tried to manipulate the copper market pricing.

00:32:55.505 --> 00:32:55.765
Okay.

00:32:57.951 --> 00:33:04.776
But she started warning people in 1904 that the rich were on edge and things were about to go sideways.

00:33:05.190 --> 00:33:06.154
Oh, she called it.

00:33:06.255 --> 00:33:18.382
Yeah, so the financial crisis was saved by JP Morgan Mm-hmm, and she was actually a part of the financiers with JP Morgan.

00:33:18.382 --> 00:33:21.797
That would help rescue out the city of New York.

00:33:22.038 --> 00:33:23.181
Wow Okay.

00:33:23.381 --> 00:33:30.022
Yeah, she bailed out banks and then she joined JP Morgan's like emergency fund.

00:33:30.022 --> 00:33:32.777
Essentially she was the only woman to do that.

00:33:33.358 --> 00:33:37.375
Well, it sounds like she's one of the few that would have amassed enough to be able to help.

00:33:37.476 --> 00:33:48.162
So you know she wrote new york city a check oh god for 1.1 million dollars in 1907 1907 it was about 22 million dollars.

00:33:48.162 --> 00:33:50.565
Wow, no big deal.

00:33:50.565 --> 00:33:52.092
There you go I got you.

00:33:52.092 --> 00:33:53.273
That check won't bounce.

00:33:54.916 --> 00:33:55.778
But you better pay it back.

00:33:56.138 --> 00:33:59.023
People at this point started calling her the queen of Wall Street.

00:33:59.023 --> 00:34:10.744
Oh, okay, she was pretty famous for traveling across the country alone which was fairly unheard of for women at the time to collect debts.

00:34:10.744 --> 00:34:16.050
Sure, to collect debts.

00:34:16.050 --> 00:34:20.119
Sure, if you order 200 bucks, don't be surprised if she would show up on your door with a ledger and requesting her debt back.

00:34:20.139 --> 00:34:30.159
So she said she's 73 at this point 1907 sure well, she was 1834 yeah 1834 she trusted no one.

00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:31.141
She got to do it herself.

00:34:31.141 --> 00:34:33.336
Well, I get that, but damn, that's, that's impressive.

00:34:33.336 --> 00:34:33.800
She lived that old.

00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:35.130
Impressive, she lived that old yeah.

00:34:35.530 --> 00:34:36.876
Oh, she lived a little bit longer too.

00:34:37.097 --> 00:34:38.423
That sounds that way, mm-hmm.

00:34:39.650 --> 00:34:44.922
So while other Wall Street hotshots were out there making wild bets, she was slow and steady.

00:34:44.922 --> 00:34:50.521
She aimed for a modest 6% return every year, nothing exorbitant.

00:34:50.521 --> 00:34:53.829
Nothing exorbitant, nothing exorbitant.

00:34:53.829 --> 00:34:59.400
Hedy's fortune lasted longer than most of her other flashery contemporaries.

00:34:59.862 --> 00:35:00.041
Okay.

00:35:00.061 --> 00:35:06.358
Because she didn't gamble, she didn't throw wild parties Right and, like I said, she never went bankrupt.

00:35:06.358 --> 00:35:08.777
No, she was incredibly smart, yeah.

00:35:08.777 --> 00:35:16.505
So Hedy grew up right as kind of the civil war was tearing the country apart.

00:35:17.148 --> 00:35:29.043
While most people were worried about surviving, heady was just watching the numbers because she was able to well, yeah, she was pretty uninvolved with the war, but still be able to make money off her shit.

00:35:29.083 --> 00:35:35.467
So and then she got super, super wealthy off of those greenbacks from Civil War.

00:35:35.688 --> 00:35:36.369
Oh, no kidding.

00:35:36.731 --> 00:35:43.284
She jumped into investing in the railroads and the real estate right as the country was being transformed.

00:35:43.690 --> 00:35:45.476
Well, isn't that what JP Morgan did too?

00:35:45.871 --> 00:35:47.717
Yeah, he was railroads, I think.

00:35:48.871 --> 00:35:57.096
I think he like kind of bought up, I could be mixing up people and I hope I'm not like kind of bought up I I could be mixing up people and I hope I'm not.

00:35:57.115 --> 00:36:14.172
But if I remember right, he kind of like bought up like all the railroads or at least the majority of them I don't remember the numbers, I could even be getting the wrong fucking person at this point, but I want to say he like consolidated it to try and like be the to have a monopoly on the railroads, basically because he saw the value.

00:36:14.614 --> 00:36:16.657
Like reading Monopoly or reading Railroad.

00:36:16.797 --> 00:36:17.480
Reading Rainbow.

00:36:17.739 --> 00:36:18.902
Railroad Reading.

00:36:18.943 --> 00:36:19.403
Railroad.

00:36:19.403 --> 00:36:20.916
Oh, I was going Reading Rainbow.

00:36:20.916 --> 00:36:22.331
It's in a book.

00:36:22.331 --> 00:36:25.820
Anyways, remember that show.

00:36:26.001 --> 00:36:26.682
Yeah, sure do.

00:36:27.070 --> 00:36:28.253
Fucking LeVar Burton man.

00:36:28.333 --> 00:36:29.375
LeVar Burton, that's right.

00:36:29.496 --> 00:36:32.603
Yeah, geordi LaForge, star Trek reference.

00:36:37.469 --> 00:36:37.590
Got it.

00:36:37.590 --> 00:36:39.675
Geordie laforge star trek reference got it, so back to the newspapers during this like gilded age.

00:36:39.675 --> 00:36:42.563
Yeah, as I said, like people that the news loved her yeah um.

00:36:42.563 --> 00:36:48.960
They painted her as like a greedy miser, like someone to like hoard all of her money see, that's not really fair.

00:36:48.960 --> 00:37:01.494
I know because and that's the thing, like people said, that she was one thing and and in the earlier quote that I said, like they don't know the real me no, and it's because she didn't tell people what she was doing with her money.

00:37:01.996 --> 00:37:09.880
Yeah, because it wasn't in any of their business 100, not their business, whereas a lot of people, like we said they wanted to flaunt it, say look what I got.

00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.333
I got this blah, blah blah or this mansion or whatever.

00:37:12.693 --> 00:37:23.914
They wanted to show it off where she's just like I'm good yeah, and she's like I'll help bail out NYC and give to charity and nobody needs to know that yeah, they didn't have to know, so it's.

00:37:24.036 --> 00:37:28.452
It's kind of unfair for people to label her as a miser and all that shit.

00:37:28.472 --> 00:37:35.231
That's yeah, that's bull and the press is like look at that woman, she's filthy rich and she can't even buy a second pair of socks.

00:37:35.231 --> 00:37:45.442
But heady has publicly blasted railroad tycoons for cheating the public and once said quote the poor have no chance in this country.

00:37:45.442 --> 00:37:48.391
No wonder anarchists and socialists are so numerous.

00:37:48.391 --> 00:37:49.494
End quote wow.

00:37:49.914 --> 00:37:52.038
So it's like exactly.

00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:58.130
She knew what was happening around the world and she was still like no, I'm just going to sit back and watch.

00:37:58.170 --> 00:37:59.614
Just going to do me.

00:37:59.614 --> 00:38:01.018
Yeah, exactly, yeah, wow.

00:38:02.449 --> 00:38:09.588
So she saw the system's flaws and she wasn't about to hand over her fortune to fix them.

00:38:09.849 --> 00:38:09.989
Right.

00:38:10.150 --> 00:38:38.610
So, even though the media loved her, they started talking to her as the witch, or referring to her as the witch of wall street then was she the wicked witch of the east then, because she was on the east coast so heady's um biggest one wasn't a single deal okay she turned six to seven million dollars inheritance into a hundred to two hundred million million by the time that she died in 1916.

00:38:38.610 --> 00:38:43.398
That is between $2.5 and $5 billion today.

00:38:43.900 --> 00:38:44.802
That's crazy.

00:38:44.802 --> 00:38:47.809
Yes, 1916 she passed away.

00:38:48.231 --> 00:38:55.159
She didn't have a railroad named after her, she didn't invent anything, she didn't have a monopoly over everything.

00:38:55.159 --> 00:39:00.041
It was all just good business sense, wow so she died at 82.

00:39:00.081 --> 00:39:02.427
That's pretty fucking good, okay.

00:39:02.427 --> 00:39:05.737
So she never ended up marrying then, correct she?

00:39:05.838 --> 00:39:07.081
did she married?

00:39:07.081 --> 00:39:09.610
Yeah, it wasn't like a super successful marriage.

00:39:09.610 --> 00:39:12.974
She married a guy um, I forget his first name, but but it was Green.

00:39:12.974 --> 00:39:14.054
His last name was Green.

00:39:14.054 --> 00:39:16.697
He was wealthy in his own right.

00:39:16.697 --> 00:39:18.719
They had a prenuptial agreement.

00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:20.021
Oh, okay.

00:39:20.521 --> 00:39:22.824
And they did have two kids as well.

00:39:22.824 --> 00:39:23.585
Oh, they did.

00:39:23.585 --> 00:39:30.403
Yes, I think I mentioned it somewhere in here.

00:39:37.349 --> 00:39:40.858
One was named after her husband and one was named after Aunt Sylvia, I believe.

00:39:40.898 --> 00:39:41.440
I believe gotcha.

00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:42.561
Yeah, so did her kids inherit her fortune.

00:39:42.862 --> 00:39:43.644
They inherited quite a bit.

00:39:43.644 --> 00:39:45.389
Yeah, I would imagine yeah, damn, yeah, okay.

00:39:45.409 --> 00:39:51.119
Um, so she was actively feuding with some of the wall street's like bigger egos.

00:39:51.119 --> 00:40:30.295
Um, she has sparred a lot against colas p huntington, who was a railroad tycoon okay um, she also had a habit of buying up railroad stocks and bonds on cheap and then companies like tried to cheat her or skip payments and then she would like pretty much hit back really hard right um one firm messed with her, and she responded by cornering their stock oh shit basically um owning enough of the stocks yeah or commodities to affect effectively, like control, that market price for sure that could really fuck with their business exactly, and they're like okay, my bad undo, undo, undo.

00:40:30.315 --> 00:40:31.918
Please take your clutches off of us now.

00:40:31.918 --> 00:40:34.382
Error error.

00:40:35.402 --> 00:40:35.804
Wow.

00:40:35.804 --> 00:40:41.353
So um heady kept it pretty straightforward but kind of ruthless.

00:40:41.373 --> 00:40:54.827
She said you owe me money, I'll take your train well, I mean, she has a point though, because they were basically just trying to fuck with her and it's like no, no, no, that, just whether it's because I'm a woman or not, it's just you.

00:40:54.827 --> 00:40:59.021
You took my money, now I take your shit, because you couldn't pay or whatever.

00:40:59.081 --> 00:41:33.900
So I totally get that so before the irs was a thing, because income tax didn't start until like 1913 something like that yeah the main financial uh boogeyman, in her opinion, was the local property tax oh sure and she did everything in her power to avoid it oh really she owned virtually nothing, lived nowhere and moved often she would bounce between cheap rentals, which is probably why she rented and not owned I guess that makes sense when she was in new jersey, she'd be like, no, I live in new york.

00:41:34.882 --> 00:41:42.539
And then, when she lived in new york, she'd be like no, I live in new jersey, and somehow she like got out of property tax that's fucking wild.

00:41:43.402 --> 00:41:44.423
Good on her, I guess.

00:41:45.110 --> 00:41:51.719
Wow, okay so she also reportedly kept boxes full of fake residency documents ready to like be like.

00:41:51.719 --> 00:42:01.657
No see, I live not near here so she's forging shit again I guess, so yeah I mean if they're fake residency things.

00:42:01.657 --> 00:42:05.684
No, I live here in new york she had uh.

00:42:05.684 --> 00:42:16.824
Her rent was uh 22 a month, which is like, depending on the year, is between 500 to $700 a month which is still pretty fucking cheap for New York.

00:42:17.083 --> 00:42:21.297
Oh, it's super cheap, I mean, as in most like places like over two grand a month.

00:42:21.317 --> 00:42:23.041
Yeah, it's easily yeah.

00:42:23.851 --> 00:42:26.958
And that's probably fucking low and that's for like a small fucking thing.

00:42:26.958 --> 00:42:39.954
That's why you always hear about like especially in New York, like rent controlled, and all that which I don't understand how stuff gets rent controlled and whatever.

00:42:39.974 --> 00:42:40.978
Yeah, I'm, I never looked into it, I just didn't care.

00:42:40.998 --> 00:42:43.027
Maybe it's something that they did way back when and they couldn't afford to change it something.

00:42:43.027 --> 00:42:53.717
Yeah, I was in the law or somehow I'm not sure, but um, I mean again, even today that's pretty fucking cheap yeah so that's why I like the place I used to live with uh, the ex it was.

00:42:53.898 --> 00:42:55.181
We paid 400 bucks a month.

00:42:55.181 --> 00:42:56.617
It was not a big place.

00:42:56.617 --> 00:42:57.664
It was enough for us.

00:42:57.664 --> 00:43:05.817
You know, it was just her and I and some cats and we lived in the farm that my horse also could stay at, so it was a couple of bucks to keep her there.

00:43:06.510 --> 00:43:18.215
It was hard to get out of that because we almost got kind of like pigeonholed into like well shit into like well shit, this is what we afford, and whatever.

00:43:18.235 --> 00:43:19.097
So and now that house is gone.

00:43:19.097 --> 00:43:20.000
They tore it down, yeah, just recently.

00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:24.461
Yeah, they had to get the stink of her off of there and build a new, new house in its place, which I mean.

00:43:24.503 --> 00:43:35.159
Don't blame them, because they're probably gonna make a boat load off of that, so anyways so heady, rocked the same black dress every day until it literally fell apart, and then she'd go buy an identical one.

00:43:35.692 --> 00:43:36.394
Oh gotcha.

00:43:37.170 --> 00:43:42.280
She told her laundress to only wash the hems of her dresses to save on soap.

00:43:43.141 --> 00:43:47.440
Oh my God, oh yeah, jesus Christ, that's wild.

00:43:48.250 --> 00:43:51.840
She refused to use heat or hot water, even in winter.

00:43:51.840 --> 00:44:04.597
She just what put on more clothes in the winter, I guess I don't even think she did that, because she just had the dress I don't know she, I don't know she put on two dresses during the um, she would eat oatmeal out of a can.

00:44:04.597 --> 00:44:09.954
No milk, no sugar, no joy, no joy sounds like sheldon.

00:44:09.974 --> 00:44:14.422
Do you remember when he used to like when amy made him oatmeal?

00:44:14.422 --> 00:44:16.605
It's like no flavor.

00:44:16.605 --> 00:44:19.197
I don't know how you do it, because that's how he wants.

00:44:19.257 --> 00:44:33.376
It is like so bland and yeah I could not do that yeah, me either it's like eating a fucking paste um, so people even started like calling her the oatmeal banshee, shit like that.

00:44:34.579 --> 00:44:35.702
I take that as a compliment.

00:44:35.989 --> 00:44:45.344
Hedy would walk blocks out of her way to buy broken cookies or stale pies, because they were always discounted.

00:44:45.804 --> 00:44:46.125
Sure.

00:44:46.726 --> 00:44:46.846
Mm-hmm.

00:44:47.210 --> 00:44:48.496
So she was just frugal.

00:44:48.496 --> 00:44:50.494
She was like the definition of frugal.

00:44:50.494 --> 00:44:51.737
Oh, yeah, is all it is.

00:44:51.737 --> 00:44:54.143
Yeah, okay, yeah, wow.

00:44:56.010 --> 00:44:57.713
And she would haggle over everything and shop owners they'd see her coming.

00:44:57.713 --> 00:45:03.153
They're like god damn it, I can't just sell this piece of toothpaste for 25 cents.

00:45:03.153 --> 00:45:05.197
She's got to ask for 24 cents or something.

00:45:05.197 --> 00:45:10.233
Um, one day she lost sell a piece of toothpaste you know what I?

00:45:10.233 --> 00:45:17.105
Shut up one day Hedy lost a two cent stamp in her carriage.

00:45:17.105 --> 00:45:22.918
She had to tear it apart she spent half a day tearing that carriage apart to try to find it.

00:45:22.918 --> 00:45:23.679
Did she find it?

00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:25.503
I don't know.

00:45:27.650 --> 00:45:32.574
I like how that's brought up, but I don't know Whatever we're going to say.

00:45:32.574 --> 00:45:39.295
No, it flew out the window somewhere, but now she has to get her carriage fixed.

00:45:39.295 --> 00:45:42.302
Yeah, that's the thing so who really won there the stamp?

00:45:43.251 --> 00:45:45.539
The stamp fucking won For sure.

00:45:46.090 --> 00:45:52.023
In 1888, it was reported that her food budget was under $5 a week, which is about $170 today.

00:45:53.271 --> 00:45:55.097
I wish I had $170 a week.

00:45:56.010 --> 00:45:57.114
To spend just on food.

00:45:57.335 --> 00:45:59.074
Yeah, I don't even fucking spend that much.

00:45:59.175 --> 00:46:04.253
The rest of her weekly spending was less than $4, so less than $135 today.

00:46:05.376 --> 00:46:07.416
So what do you think she spent that $4 on?

00:46:07.416 --> 00:46:08.478
I don't know?

00:46:08.478 --> 00:46:12.295
Soap for her hems Soap for her hems.

00:46:12.295 --> 00:46:14.757
How often do you think she got her hems?

00:46:14.757 --> 00:46:15.280
So for her hems.

00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:15.561
How often?

00:46:15.603 --> 00:46:16.327
do you think she got her hems soaked?

00:46:16.327 --> 00:46:16.690
Maybe once a week?

00:46:17.311 --> 00:46:19.016
that seems like a lot for her.

00:46:19.016 --> 00:46:19.155
What?

00:46:19.195 --> 00:46:21.240
was she wearing, if she was getting her dress?

00:46:21.481 --> 00:46:23.753
um her uh undergarments.

00:46:23.753 --> 00:46:24.695
What are those?

00:46:24.695 --> 00:46:27.621
Plumes is that what they are?

00:46:27.621 --> 00:46:28.061
I don't know.

00:46:28.061 --> 00:46:42.362
Plumes now you're just saying words and they're not bright so heady green yeah had a leg incident.

00:46:43.804 --> 00:46:44.545
Her son ned.

00:46:44.545 --> 00:46:45.445
That's who it is edward.

00:46:45.445 --> 00:46:48.474
So her husband's name is edward, nickname ned.

00:46:48.795 --> 00:46:52.751
Her son's name is ned okay is that her leggings, and she showed too much ankle.

00:46:52.751 --> 00:46:53.835
I mean, what is?

00:46:54.215 --> 00:46:55.400
her son, ned, was her.

00:46:55.400 --> 00:47:06.407
His knee was hurt in a sledding accident and she refused to pay for a doctor distinguished, disguised herself as a poor woman and took him to a charity clinic.

00:47:06.407 --> 00:47:14.943
Oh, jesus christ the staff recognized her and she bolted because they're like no, you can freaking pay for this.

00:47:14.943 --> 00:47:16.090
And she's like nah, I'm good.

00:47:16.090 --> 00:47:24.005
He went untreated and eventually he lost his leg what a bitch for doing that.

00:47:24.065 --> 00:47:27.958
She has all this money and couldn't treat her kid's fucking leg and he loses it.

00:47:28.099 --> 00:47:35.103
But ned said it wasn't like that, like it wasn't anything like that, that was just the folklore that came out of her.

00:47:35.103 --> 00:47:36.474
Oh gotcha.

00:47:36.630 --> 00:47:38.217
He's like it wasn't like that at all.

00:47:38.309 --> 00:47:43.983
She actually did take me to a doctor and, yes, I did lose my leg, but it wasn't anything like that.

00:47:44.030 --> 00:47:45.335
She was a very caring woman.

00:47:45.510 --> 00:47:46.514
How did he lose his leg then?

00:47:46.514 --> 00:48:05.932
From a sledding accident, I don't know gangrene, so he did see multiple doctors, even like through different towns.

00:48:05.932 --> 00:48:06.514
The injury was complicated.

00:48:06.514 --> 00:48:13.594
May have been amputated much later anyway, had it not been amputated at that point yeah um, but ned said.

00:48:13.594 --> 00:48:16.722
Quote much has been printed about my mother that is untrue.

00:48:16.722 --> 00:48:21.199
She has been represented as parsimonious, but such is not the case.

00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:22.963
End quote what's parsimonious?

00:48:22.963 --> 00:48:28.240
Um unwilling to spend the money gotcha okay so and he so.

00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:29.583
he defended her and it.

00:48:29.583 --> 00:48:36.202
This, this whole myth about heady is just that, adds just to the folklore of who she was as a person.

00:48:36.202 --> 00:48:36.824
Yeah, I get that.

00:48:36.824 --> 00:48:42.260
Yeah, so she lived with a painful hernia for over 20 years.

00:48:42.260 --> 00:48:48.284
Good Lord, because the surgery cost $150, which is about $5,000 to $7,000 today.

00:48:48.766 --> 00:48:49.047
Wow.

00:48:50.271 --> 00:48:51.673
When she finally got it fixed.

00:48:51.673 --> 00:49:04.112
Rumor, just a rumor was that she tried to stiff the doctor on the bill come on, okay, that's being, that's not even being frugal, that's being kind of shitty actually, yeah, that that's.

00:49:04.253 --> 00:49:06.858
That's being illegal yeah, you can't fucking do that.

00:49:06.858 --> 00:49:08.650
Yeah, I'm starting to lose faith in hetty.

00:49:08.650 --> 00:49:13.998
I kind of liked her how she was, you know, about saving money and shit and whatever.

00:49:14.659 --> 00:49:48.800
And now shit like that, that, that's not fucking cool okay, so she did marry edward h green okay, um, and he had a thing about bad investments and big spending and by the 1880s he had kind of burned through most of his fortune and he had to bail him out several times oh dear yeah, um, but he had this financial mess that started dragging her through it and she's like I'm good yeah, we gotta separate this yeah so she grabbed the kids and moved to to new york.

00:49:48.860 --> 00:49:55.340
She was in london at the time for a little bit, oh, but she moved back to New York with Ned and Sylvia.

00:49:55.681 --> 00:49:56.021
Gotcha.

00:49:56.650 --> 00:49:58.717
Edward went to Vermont, which is where he was from.

00:49:59.460 --> 00:49:59.661
Okay.

00:49:59.889 --> 00:50:03.538
And he actually lived off of a small allowance that Hedy would give him.

00:50:04.300 --> 00:50:08.759
Good Lord, yeah, he in a way hit the lottery.

00:50:09.472 --> 00:50:11.550
But he was dying in 1902.

00:50:11.550 --> 00:50:17.737
Hedy did go back to Vermont and kind of nursed him for a while, so like she wasn't a horrible person.

00:50:18.889 --> 00:50:24.222
But no, but she'll stiff the fucking doctor for her thing and not take her kid.

00:50:24.222 --> 00:50:26.338
I know that's the folklore.

00:50:26.750 --> 00:50:35.619
So she raised her kids, ned and Sylvia, like she was Basically spend low risk, low spend.

00:50:36.349 --> 00:50:37.835
So did she raise them as a Quaker then?

00:50:37.835 --> 00:50:39.038
Kind of.

00:50:39.699 --> 00:50:43.056
Kind of yeah, they had hand-me-down clothes patched.

00:50:43.056 --> 00:50:51.420
Okay yeah, excuse me, instead of buying new winter gear, hedy reportedly shoved insulation in their coats and shoes.

00:50:51.420 --> 00:51:17.637
Well, I mean, whatever works, yeah, i'm'm gonna start doing that with my kids she trained ned in finance from a young age and groomed him to help manage her empire okay sylvia was kind of had a mom guard, essentially yeah mommy guard mommy guard yeah, heady rejected or blocked most of sylvia's suitors because they were, she was convinced that they were all just money hungry.

00:51:17.657 --> 00:51:37.992
Yeah, exactly gotcha, and it wasn't until 1909, when sylvia was nearly 40, that heady finally gave her blessing to a marriage oh shit but not only because the groom mass matthew astor wilkes, as in the astor family, oh wow she finally signed um she, she finally agreed to it.

00:51:37.992 --> 00:51:55.780
But they had to sign another prenup well, sure um, but had he trusted no one with her kids's fortune and she also didn't really trust her kids with their fortune no um ned her son.

00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:58.844
Yeah, um adored his mother.

00:51:58.844 --> 00:52:13.878
He did, but he did not inherit her thrifty gene he liked to spend after heady's death, ned went full gatsby like fancy cars, wild parties, oh dear um a private railroad.

00:52:13.878 --> 00:52:17.083
He had a personal radio tower in texas.

00:52:17.083 --> 00:52:17.465
Why the?

00:52:17.710 --> 00:52:19.875
fuck, did you need a personal railroad?

00:52:19.875 --> 00:52:23.523
Just have a personal railroad car on a fucking train.

00:52:23.523 --> 00:52:26.434
I mean what?

00:52:26.855 --> 00:52:35.719
okay, that is a bit frivolous when he and sylvia eventually inherited the estate, they basically did the opposite of hoarding they spent it.

00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:38.818
But they gave a huge portion to charities.

00:52:39.170 --> 00:52:41.759
Oh, look at them, be all nice and shit.

00:52:41.949 --> 00:52:53.289
Sylvia especially went full philanthropist and left most of her $200 million which would have been about $2 billion today to institutions when she died in 1951.

00:52:53.289 --> 00:52:55.536
Oh, okay, so yeah, they were charitable.

00:52:55.655 --> 00:52:56.338
They passed it on.

00:52:56.498 --> 00:52:56.679
Yeah.

00:52:56.880 --> 00:53:03.360
All right, because I'm assuming Sylvia never had kids because she didn't get married until she was 40.

00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:04.842
Or did she have kids?

00:53:05.003 --> 00:53:06.125
I don't know, I didn't look into that.

00:53:06.150 --> 00:53:07.677
And then you don't know if Ned did either.

00:53:08.530 --> 00:53:09.697
I didn't look into that either.

00:53:09.697 --> 00:53:16.092
Okay, it stopped with Hedy.

00:53:16.092 --> 00:53:17.719
Well, it kind of sounds like it stopped with Sylvia and Ned.

00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:29.179
Okay, on July 3rd 1916, she was at her son's house, hedy got into a shouting match with a maid over whether to buy skim milk or whole milk.

00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:31.601
That's usually what I fight about with my maid.

00:53:32.603 --> 00:53:34.465
Whole milk was too extravagant.

00:53:34.465 --> 00:53:40.420
Well, because it's whole Hedy got worked up and she had a stroke.

00:53:40.420 --> 00:53:41.483
Oh dear.

00:53:43.235 --> 00:53:48.514
And died Is whole milk, just another word for calling it all milk.

00:53:48.534 --> 00:53:50.077
So she's actually well.

00:53:50.077 --> 00:53:58.427
I don't know if it's still a thing, but she was in the Guinness Book of World Records, okay, as the world's greatest miser.

00:53:58.427 --> 00:53:58.628
Wow, yeah.

00:53:59.150 --> 00:54:01.954
Okay, that's a good thing.

00:54:01.954 --> 00:54:04.619
I mean for her she's like fuck yeah, look at me go.

00:54:10.889 --> 00:54:12.474
The New York Times said she suffered multiple strokes leading up to her death.

00:54:12.474 --> 00:54:14.237
But Millionaire dies in milk.

00:54:14.237 --> 00:54:22.043
Fight sounds a lot more fun millionaire dies in milk fight heady, died at 81 years old.

00:54:22.043 --> 00:54:28.641
Yeah, um, and the papers ran with headlines like miser queen dies finally freezing cold.

00:54:31.614 --> 00:54:45.818
But other newspapers also, like gave her credit for quite a bit god you would hope so, because I mean she was kind of cunty about a few things like stiffen the doctor and all that or whatever, but I mean she did really fucking good for herself.

00:54:45.900 --> 00:54:49.793
She did I mean one of the newspapers says quote that she harmed.

00:54:49.793 --> 00:54:51.077
Any is not recorded.

00:54:51.077 --> 00:54:54.206
That there are few like her is not a cause of regret.

00:54:54.206 --> 00:55:03.864
That there are many less commendable is one well, I mean that's weird, but not awful weird but not awful.

00:55:03.864 --> 00:55:19.755
I think I might be the title so at the time of her death, hetty's fortune was estimated at 100 to 200 million dollars, which is about 5 billion today, more than jp morgan more to the vanderbilts that's crazy.

00:55:20.197 --> 00:55:21.057
How about the asters?

00:55:21.458 --> 00:55:35.001
more than the asters, damn yeah that's crazy she was buried in bellows fall, vermont, next to her husband oh, okay she actually actually converted to his faith as episcopalian, so that she could be buried next to him.

00:55:35.222 --> 00:55:35.902
Well, good for her.

00:55:35.902 --> 00:55:42.318
Yeah, it's kind of funny that she did that to be buried next to him when she's like, yeah, you, just I'll give you an allowance, go, go over there.

00:55:42.557 --> 00:55:42.759
Yeah.

00:55:43.289 --> 00:55:45.056
Just that's funny that she would even do that.

00:55:45.056 --> 00:55:46.280
But okay, fair enough.

00:55:47.052 --> 00:55:48.360
But she died filthy rich.

00:55:48.460 --> 00:55:48.884
Well, yeah.

00:55:49.050 --> 00:55:52.521
Never broke, never bothered Broke.

00:55:52.541 --> 00:55:56.831
Never bothered, does anyone?

00:55:56.871 --> 00:55:58.273
ever buy, die clean rich.

00:55:58.273 --> 00:55:59.155
I wonder where that comes from.

00:55:59.155 --> 00:56:00.036
You should write that down.

00:56:00.195 --> 00:56:00.635
Filthy rich.

00:56:00.655 --> 00:56:01.297
Filthy rich.

00:56:01.297 --> 00:56:03.298
Write it down Anyway.

00:56:03.298 --> 00:56:12.690
So that's the most wealthiest woman in America in the 1800s, 1800s to 1900s, 1900s yeah, I'm sure.

00:56:12.690 --> 00:56:14.077
The Witch of Wall Street.

00:56:15.251 --> 00:56:16.375
The Witch of Wall Street.

00:56:16.375 --> 00:56:17.137
That's a great name.

00:56:17.137 --> 00:56:21.496
I've never heard of her before.

00:56:21.496 --> 00:56:26.135
So Hedy Green right, yep, no, I never heard of her before.

00:56:26.135 --> 00:56:26.938
That's interesting.

00:56:26.938 --> 00:56:38.204
I mean good on her for being good with money basically and investments and purchases and well loaning and seizing.

00:56:39.012 --> 00:56:40.259
But at what point are you like?

00:56:40.259 --> 00:56:44.798
You know what I'm getting sick, I know how about I fix myself or fix my son?

00:56:45.552 --> 00:56:46.697
Because that would have costed money.

00:56:46.697 --> 00:56:48.617
She wanted to stiff her fucking doctor.

00:56:48.617 --> 00:56:50.958
I mean, that's a shitty move, that's weird.

00:56:50.958 --> 00:56:52.335
I don't like her for that.

00:56:52.335 --> 00:57:00.318
But you have all this money and you're trying to short somebody who's helping you Seems like what the fuck are you doing?

00:57:00.318 --> 00:57:03.742
Yeah, that makes no sense, but thanks, I guess.

00:57:04.583 --> 00:57:05.222
Question mark.

00:57:05.222 --> 00:57:07.626
Okay, so how was your beers?

00:57:10.693 --> 00:57:11.440
I rather enjoyed them.

00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:12.527
They were blah, blah blah.

00:57:12.527 --> 00:57:20.135
I was going to say rather and very at the same time, very delicious, rather delicious was mine I'll just say both all right.

00:57:20.135 --> 00:57:23.302
So you asked me at the beginning.

00:57:23.302 --> 00:57:27.856
I will ask you okay, if you were independently wealthy, what would you do?

00:57:29.940 --> 00:57:31.023
I would get out of my house.

00:57:31.023 --> 00:57:32.570
Yes, absolutely, I'd be like sell it as is.

00:57:32.570 --> 00:57:34.092
I don't care like I, just I want out of my house.

00:57:34.092 --> 00:57:34.393
Yes, Absolutely.

00:57:34.393 --> 00:57:36.335
I'd be like sell it as is.

00:57:36.335 --> 00:57:39.599
I don't care Like I, just I want out of my house, you'd get out of Dodge.

00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:41.141
Yep, I'd get out of Dodge.

00:57:41.141 --> 00:57:48.112
Exactly, I would pay off all my debt, of course, I would pay off all my husband's debt, of course.

00:57:48.112 --> 00:57:53.581
I would probably set up funds for my sister's kids.

00:57:53.581 --> 00:57:56.465
Sure, honestly, I'd probably do it for your kids too.

00:57:56.664 --> 00:58:00.934
Oh, thanks, I mean, they're my honoring nephew and I love them.

00:58:00.934 --> 00:58:01.677
They are and they love you all, especially Vesper.

00:58:01.677 --> 00:58:03.315
Yeah, she was excited to see you again.

00:58:03.436 --> 00:58:08.896
Yeah, and I don't know, save the elephants.

00:58:09.978 --> 00:58:10.559
I like that.

00:58:10.681 --> 00:58:11.202
And pandas.

00:58:11.202 --> 00:58:12.764
Elephants and pandas.

00:58:13.344 --> 00:58:20.788
Can we just, can we like maybe create like an elephant, panda, like reserve and like just have elephants and pandas there.

00:58:20.909 --> 00:58:26.016
Can you imagine a panda cub swinging?

00:58:26.697 --> 00:58:28.579
from an elephant's trunk.

00:58:28.579 --> 00:58:29.521
No, but I want to.

00:58:29.541 --> 00:58:30.481
Okay, I'll draw one.

00:58:30.481 --> 00:58:31.163
Let's do that.

00:58:31.163 --> 00:58:31.923
I'm going to draw one.

00:58:32.684 --> 00:58:32.985
Well.

00:58:32.985 --> 00:58:37.030
I suppose, All right, buffoons.

00:58:37.030 --> 00:58:38.054
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