May 7, 2025

The Origin of Weird: Weird Origins of Idioms

The Origin of Weird: Weird Origins of Idioms

Words can be strange little time capsules. Take idioms - those peculiar phrases we use without questioning how bizarre they actually sound. "Jump the shark"? "Close to the chest"? "More than one way to skin a cat"? Who came up with these, and why do we still use them? In this linguistic adventure, we unpack the historical origins behind common expressions that have survived centuries despite their increasingly disconnected contexts. Did you know "jump the shark" comes from a specific 1977 Ha...

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Words can be strange little time capsules. Take idioms - those peculiar phrases we use without questioning how bizarre they actually sound. "Jump the shark"? "Close to the chest"? "More than one way to skin a cat"? Who came up with these, and why do we still use them?

In this linguistic adventure, we unpack the historical origins behind common expressions that have survived centuries despite their increasingly disconnected contexts. Did you know "jump the shark" comes from a specific 1977 Happy Days episode where Fonzie literally jumps over a shark while water skiing (leather jacket and all)? Or that "close to the chest" originated from poker players physically holding cards against their bodies to prevent opponents from seeing their hands?

Some origins surprise with their practicality - "rule of thumb" refers to carpenters using their thumbs as measuring tools, not the wife-beating myth many believe. Others shock with their unexpected twists - "there's more than one way to skin a cat" likely referred to catfish preparation techniques, not feline cruelty. We even explore why "rode hard and put away wet" transitioned from horse care advice to a description of exhausted humans.

Through rapid-fire explanations, role-playing scenarios, and etymology deep dives, we celebrate how these linguistic fossils continue thriving in our everyday speech while preserving echoes of history. These phrases function as what we've come to call "history's inside jokes" - strange expressions that made perfect sense centuries ago but sound ridiculous today.

Have a favorite idiom with a mysterious past? Send it our way through social media or email. We'll continue exploring these verbal time travelers in future episodes, proving that language itself might be humanity's most enduring artifact.

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00:00 - Episode Introduction & Beer Tasting

06:14 - Idioms as History's Inside Jokes

08:38 - Close to the Chest/Vest Origin

12:05 - Jump the Shark Explained

17:20 - Rode Hard and Put Away Wet

19:17 - There's More Than One Way to Skin a Cat

25:36 - Rapid Fire Idioms Quiz

32:24 - One Truth, Two Lies: Rule of Thumb

36:24 - Episode Wrap-Up

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oh, hey, there, oh, hey, there, I'm kate, and I'm bradley this is the history of my food, and what did you say?

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you're not prepared.

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I'm not prepared because I don't have a story.

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And it's really weird.

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My computer's not up.

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It's sitting next to me but it's not up.

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It's sitting next to you because we're going to do something a little different today.

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I feel like my hands need something to do.

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Would you like to knit?

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No, so this is a special origin of weird and this is going to be interesting because I've never really done this before, because usually I'm the one that interacts with kate's story stories and, um, well, I thought to try something different.

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So I am gonna try something here and I hope this doesn't suck, okay, so we like to throw idioms in from time to time.

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Yes, yes.

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Oh, I'm sorry, you can tell I'm not used to driving this ship.

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I held up our unopened beers as in don't forget that we have a beer.

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Stupid, this is so backwards I feel like this is never gonna see the light of day.

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So I have, um the three sheeps, pineapple fresh coast, because you've had the regular fresh coast and I loved it yeah and this is a juicy pale ale with pineapple I guess I didn't realize there's a pale, ale same is that.

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What all fresh?

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coasts are?

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No, I don't think so oh, interesting.

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I guess I haven't had enough of their beers to know what they are but uh, this one is so three sheeps is in sheboygan correct in wisconsin.

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yeah, I've been there, it's fun.

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And I have a pet skull brewing company.

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And you said these are from Manitowoc, right yeah, I have a Reducinate New England IPA.

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What's the difference between new?

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What is it?

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Indian IPA.

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No, it's not new Indian.

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New was just a misstep, but Indian Pale Ale, so an IPA is a India pale ale.

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Yeah.

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A new England one is just literally from, like our new England area, okay, the East coast.

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Basically there's American pale ales.

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There's lots of variations.

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So typically, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm remembering my beer knowledge correctly, new england ipas are a little more on the juicier side, if I'm not mistaken, hence the name reducinate correct.

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Um.

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So let's uh crack them open and see what we got here.

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Mine was a little sloppy you're gonna jump out you a little bit cheers, cheers.

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Oh, that's not bad.

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That is on the juicier side I think I taste pineapple I mean, I hope so.

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It's a pineapple fresh coast.

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It's super subtle is it really?

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But it tastes really delicious, I say that's probably not a bad thing.

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I like, I love pineapple it's on the back end okay, sure, I can see that like when I breathe, stop breathing like when I allow it to like the leftovers to like sit in my mouth.

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Sure, I guess the aroma, I don't know you give you pick up the effervescence, no it's definitely on the back end, but it's really good.

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I like it good I'm, I like it.

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Good, I'm glad you like it.

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Mine's rather quite tasty, so much I'm going to take another sip.

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I might actually get to finish a beer.

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I was going to ask do you need a backup beer?

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I don't know.

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I mean, we can always clap it out.

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I have that Modelo over there.

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Why is it over there?

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All right, all right, so um from time to time I burped that's got to be not a first on this podcast.

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When we do our episodes, sometimes we like to throw in idioms yes, yes, so um, I might have exhausted my entire list on this episode seriously but I think it was worth it, oh my god so what's our backup?

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plan, look up more idioms oh okay, I'll get to that later too kind of um, I thought it'd be kind of fun just to do a little uh, I don't want to say a deeper dive because like so, basically, I kind of broke it up into a couple sections for this episode and I'm going to do a little deep dive on a few of them.

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I got another couple things to do with it and I thought it'd be kind of fun to learn some more idioms.

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Basically, okay, and kind of just, I don't know, do something a little different than what we're used to.

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And I know you're thrown off as fuck right now.

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I am and so am I because I really hope this isn't a shitty episode as fuck right now, and so am I because I really hope this isn't a shitty episode anyways.

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So both, basically, uh, most idioms are quite ridiculous if you think about it right.

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So again, just for anyone who doesn't know what an idiom is idioms are those weird little phrases that sound completely normal until you stop and think about them for five seconds.

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Basically, they just make no sense, and like don't put the the horse before the cart.

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Yeah, don't put the cart before the horse.

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I mean, usually you want the horse before the cart but yes, correct, but like, uh.

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So, for example, like like why are we letting cats out of the bag?

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Right, you know um who put them in there the first place anyways, let the dogs sorry Like.

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Why are we letting cats out?

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Of the bag Right.

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You know, yeah, who put them in there in the first place?

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Who let the dogs in?

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Sorry, that's part of it, I'll get to that.

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Or why would you ever, you know, bite a bullet?

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Basically?

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Bite the bullet Yep, yep, yep.

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Yep, yep.

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So I was kind of looking around stuff and I saw this kind of quote thing and it says idioms are like histories inside jokes.

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I like it, so do I.

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I like it a lot.

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That's why I had to put that in there.

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But some do have real historical roots.

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Some are, you know, a complete mystery where they came from, basically, and pretty much they're all quite strange when you actually look at what they are.

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They're all quite strange when you actually look at what they are, um, so we're going to do a little, a little deep dive and see see, uh, how some make sense and some are just completely weird.

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Okay, so, uh, anyways, so these are all ones that I haven't done on the podcast before.

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I believe, um, I'm pretty sure I haven't.

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I have marked most of them, so if I do cover something that we've done, I apologize, but and I know some of these, you've given me some Nathan's given me some, um, I've gotten some from other people.

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There's only two that I could really fully remember who I got them from.

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And the first one I literally got and I was just talking to you about this earlier some movies I was watching and I I've known of this, but I was watching this movie the other day and I'm like, and this kind of helped, you know, start off this thought of doing this episode.

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So I was watching the dark night and Bruce Wayne.

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Uh, wayne is talking to Lucius Fox and says I'm playing this one close to the vest, oh yeah.

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So the idiom and it varies is close to the chest or close to the vest, and I'll get into that a little bit.

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But the idiom close to the chest again also often said as close to the vest, comes from the world of card games.

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Said is close to the best, comes from the world of card games, particularly poker, and?

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Uh has everything to do with strategy, secrecy and not tipping your hand.

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Uh, literally and figuratively, basically.

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But um, the origin of it is from, like I said, card games and games like poker.

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Keeping your cards hidden from your opponents is crucial.

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If you hold them loosely or away from your body, you risk revealing your hand even if you don't intend to.

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Basically, so skilled players were advised to hold their cards close to their vest or chest to avoid giving away any clues about their strategy, look or emotions.

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Vest was the more common term in the 19th century american english and over time chess became an interchangeable and slightly more modern sounding version.

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So bottom line is basically holding cards close to your body equals keeping your intentions secret and maintaining control.

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Uh, the idiom evolved to apply beyond poker, uh, table.

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The poker table, I should say sorry and now means to keep information, plans or feelings secret, revealing little to others.

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So, in like business, the CEO played it close to the chest during negotiations in relationships.

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This is a quote when I found actually I thought it was funny.

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She's nice but she plays her emotions close to the chest, hard to tell what she's really thinking.

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I thought that was funny so I had to include that one, um, or in strategy.

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You know he's got a plan but he's keeping it close to the chest for now.

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So, uh, basically like why this idiom kind of works in this whole world is it comes from a visual, it is very visual.

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If you think about a card player holding his cards close to his chest, you can literally picture that in your brain.

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It taps into the human psychology.

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So the tension between sharing and withholding and applies broadly between, like I said, business, politics, personal life, sports, pretty much any type of strategy, setting, basically setting.

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Basically.

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So, like I said, vest versus chest, um, people always wonder which one is correct.

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Close to the vest is technically the original, more traditional phrasing, especially in american english.

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Close to the chest is now just just as common, if not more so in casual.

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So when I grew up grew up I'm still growing up I always thought it was close to the chest.

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I never, and so the first time I ever heard close to the vest, I'm like did he say that wrong?

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But no, it's.

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They're interchangeable these days, but the original apparently was best.

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It's like coming down the pike.

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Yes.

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People think it's pipe.

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Correct, but it does say I did see language purists might prefer vest, as it's the original word used in the idiom, but in modern conversation both are widely accepted.

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So first interactive part here.

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Okay, I have a little rope, it's not, I guess, role play um.

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So open your computer and obviously you'll read the red parts okay all right, so I'm gonna set the mood here.

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It was a smoky tuesday night in the back room of club buffoons.

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Hey, the stakes were high and everyone at the table was playing their cards close to the chest you gonna play?

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play that hand tough guy, or are you just here to babysit your chips?

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I play when the time's right, not before, not after.

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Timing is everything.

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That's so, because from where I'm sitting, you're all mystery and no action.

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You've been sitting on that hand so long.

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It's growing roots.

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I keep it close to the chest like a secret or a disappointing Christmas gift.

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Disappointing Christmas gift.

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You mean close to the vest.

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Vest chest depends on if you're playing cards or dressing for a 1920s gala.

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But eventually someone's got to lay their cards on the table.

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Not me, not today, anyway, so yeah.

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So next time someone's not sharing much.

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They're not being rude, they're just playing it close to the chest, All right.

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Oh my gosh.

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So the next one I have comes from you, which is jump the shark.

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Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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All right.

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So the idiom jump the shark has one of the most specific and pop culture based origins of any modern expression.

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It literally comes from a specific episode of a TV show and has since taken a life of its own.

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Um, so the origin is actually from.

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Do you know where it came from?

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tv, like you said which show it does?

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Is there a shark involved?

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Yes, literally, literally is a shark involved and it's from a show or a movie, tv show.

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Oh flipper I mean, I like the guess um because that was an old show, right?

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I think that was an old show.

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Was that a TV show?

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I?

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think so.

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I think you're right.

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I guess I don't recall.

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I don't know, I'm making that up Maybe A shark in a TV show?

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Yep.

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Ugh, it's quite ridiculous, honestly, and that's why this whole thing kind of stuck.

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It's older than Sharknado.

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That's a movie, I guess.

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Isn't there like 12 Sharknados by?

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now Did Jaws become a TV show that I don't know about?

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Nope.

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Nope, I want to say it's around a similar time frame, but no, it's not because of Jaws.

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I don't know.

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Happy Days.

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Oh, I've never seen it.

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You've never seen Happy.

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Days?

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No, there's a shark.

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Happy Days.

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Oh, I've never seen it.

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You've never seen Happy Days.

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No, there's a shark in Happy Days.

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You'll learn that, but you've never seen Happy Days.

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Not really.

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I mean, I know who Henry Winkler is, who's.

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Henry Winkler.

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What's his character's name?

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There is literally a statue of him in.

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Milwaukee Happy, no, he was Days.

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What, what, what.

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What's his character?

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Fonzie.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Arthur Fonzarelli.

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Sure sure, the Fonz, the Fonz yeah.

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If you ever had a jukebox that stopped playing.

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He fucking hits it and it starts playing Magic.

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No, I've never watched it.

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Alright.

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So this phrase comes from the american sitcom happy days, specifically season five, episode three, titled hollywood part three.

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So great there it's called hollywood part three okay, it aired in september of 1977.

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Okay, so a short synopsis of it is.

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In this episode, fonzie, played by henryler who you just said.

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He's in Scream.

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That's why I know him I was just going to say.

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That's why you know him.

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I love Scream.

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The super cool leather jacket wearing character jumps over a shark on water skis while still wearing his leather jacket.

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The show was trying to keep things exciting and edgy but the stunt came off as silly and desperate even by late 70s TV standards.

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So the coining of the phrase, the actual idiom, his roommate Sean Connolly, were talking about TV shows that had passed their prime and Hine referred to the shark jumping episode of Happy Days as the exact moment the show started its decline.

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So they ran with that in the late 1990s, which cataloged the moments when TV shows supposedly began to go downhill.

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The site became so popular that it was sold to TV Guide in 2006.

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That's awesome.

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So the modern meaning.

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So today, jump the Shark means the moment when something that was once popular or high quality starts to decline in quality, often because it's trying too hard to stay relevant.

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Yeah, so most notably for uh tv shows or franchises that outlive their welcome and resort to gimmicks like sharknado 23 or whatever the fuck number they're at or mission impossible for 45.

00:16:07.187 --> 00:16:09.510
So I I disagree with that one.

00:16:09.510 --> 00:16:10.852
They're pretty good.

00:16:10.852 --> 00:16:12.796
You just aren't a huge Tom Cruise fan.

00:16:13.096 --> 00:16:14.538
Yeah, I could take them or leave them.

00:16:14.538 --> 00:16:15.360
I know Really leave them.

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Or basically brands, artists or trends that do something over the top or out of character for them, that clearly signals it's past their prime, basically.

00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:31.835
So some examples the show really jumped the shark when they introduced the talking dog.

00:16:31.835 --> 00:16:34.192
You know something stupid like that, or whatever.

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Or that band jumped the shark after their fourth album when they started doing EDM remixes of polka songs.

00:16:41.217 --> 00:16:48.918
Why it's stuck, though, and why people think it's such a perfect idiom, is because it's vivid.

00:16:48.918 --> 00:16:51.691
You can literally imagine a guy on water skis jumping over a shark.

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Even if you haven't seen the show, you can now picture something stupid.

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Take a figure jump over a shark on skis in a leather jacket.

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It's tied to a real, traceable cultural moment, which Happy Days was fucking huge back in the day.

00:17:06.913 --> 00:17:13.652
Pretty much, it describes a phenomenon that most everyone recognizes, even if they don't have a name for it.

00:17:13.873 --> 00:17:21.317
Yeah, so that is Jump the Shark which you I think mentioned to me in like the last week or so, Something like that.

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All right In, the.

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Was it part one?

00:17:27.673 --> 00:17:29.830
I think right, yeah, it was part one of Lizzie.

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I mentioned Road Hard and Put Away Wet.

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Yeah, the Lizzie Sear episode yep, part one.

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So, uh, that idiom comes from the world of horse riding, which I've told you about a little bit, um, and horse care, and, like many idioms, it evolved from a literal practice to a metaphorical meaning over time.

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So, in its original context, rode hard and put away wet referred to poor treatment of the horse.

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Basically, when a horse is ridden hard, it sweats heavily and becomes hot.

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If the horse is put away wet, meaning pretty much you put it in a stable without cleaning it, watering it down, whatever it might be properly cooled down, basically it can become sick or injured, and that's actually a real thing me having a horse before, but yeah.

00:18:19.597 --> 00:18:31.134
So basically, proper horse care requires walking the horse after a hard ride, allowing the horse to cool down from very vigorous activity, basically Over time.

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Though this phrase was adopted metaphorically to describe a person who appears exhausted, worn out or used up, kind of like Lizzie Seard looked like she was what 29.

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I think he said she looked really really old for 29,.

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But basically, uh, you know, he looked like he'd been road hard and put away wet.

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Yeah, that's pretty much what I said about her too.

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Basically, rode hard and put away wet.

00:18:53.047 --> 00:18:54.169
Yeah, that's pretty much what I said about her too.

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Basically, it's mostly a joke about someone's appearance these days and, uh, a lot of people, uh, just use it for I don't know, not an attractive person kind of thing.

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Good old horse riding.

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So have you ever heard the idiom?

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I kind of picked this one specifically for you because of your five cats.

00:19:11.733 --> 00:19:16.472
Oh, okay, and I have cats too, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.

00:19:17.566 --> 00:19:18.489
Yeah, I've heard that.

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You've heard that before.

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Yeah, Hold on while I sip my beer.

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You maul that one over.

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So the idiom there's more than one way to skin a cat means that there's more than one way to accomplish a task or solve a problem.

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It's about flexibility, problem solving and the idea that if one method doesn't work, you can try another.

00:19:37.430 --> 00:19:45.087
That phrase sounds pretty grisly at face value, so let's break it down, break it down.

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No, keep going.

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No, thanks, no, keep going.

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No thanks, no keep going, no thanks.

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No, keep going, no thanks.

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No, keep going.

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No thanks.

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Oh my God, that was fucking masterpiece.

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All right, so the phrase isn't really about cats, okay, apparently.

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So the cat part isn't literal, it's a metaphor.

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Right In early centuries cats and other animals were sometimes using, uh, used in idioms, because they were familiar to everyone and people were way more comfortable referencing violent imagery than we are now, which sometimes I disagree with that.

00:20:25.786 --> 00:20:36.701
But either way, uh, it likely never had anything to do with people routinely skinning cats, but rather was an evocative way of saying there are multiple techniques.

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So early versions use different wording.

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Uh, the earliest known version, uh, doesn't even mention cats.

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It's from 1678.

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Wow, uh, john Ray, an English naturalist I don't know what a naturalist is, but anyways and compiler of Proverbs wrote there are more ways to kill a dog than hanging.

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So dogs were the first one, apparently, or at least the first thing they can kind of associate with that.

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Um, it wasn't until the 19th century that skin, skin a cat version became widespread.

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Century that skin, skin a cat version became widespread.

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One of the earliest known uses comes from an 1840 work by american humorist, sebastian g doyle.

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There are more ways than one to skin a cat, so he's the first one that said it.

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Basically, this version seemed to catch on, likely because of its vivid and memorable phrasing.

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People tend to remember weird or striking impressions.

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Like you talk about skinning one of your cats, you're like what the fuck?

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Yeah, you'd remember that, right.

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So I thought this was kind of weird.

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But, um, it may have roots in fishing or trapping terminology.

00:21:47.229 --> 00:21:55.877
Yeah, I didn't really I'll tell you, there's more than one way to scale a fish or to trap a fish.

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Uh, some reachers, wow.

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Some researchers speculate that skinning a cat might refer to catfish.

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Oh, you like catfish?

00:22:06.159 --> 00:22:10.393
I really do, I know which were and are commonly eaten.

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Catfish are notoriously hard to clean and prepare because of their tough skin, and fishermen developed a number of techniques to skin them.

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So the phrase may have started among fishers as a literal comment and evolved into a metaphor.

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So this is kind of why the idiom stuck.

00:22:29.354 --> 00:22:32.753
It's got graphic imagery Sure does, sure does.

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So that kind of makes it memorable, right.

00:22:35.673 --> 00:22:35.854
Yeah.

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Our brains remember things that are shocking, gross or dramatic.

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It's flexible.

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You can use it in almost any problem-solving context Makes sense, and I like this one, though it's got rhythm.

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It's got rhythm.

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The phrase is a nice flow and balance that helps it endure.

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I'm like all right.

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I thought this was also funny in some of my looking at this up, modern sensitivities.

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Nowadays people are more aware of animal cruelty and might find the phrase off-putting, and because of that there's alternatives.

00:23:10.814 --> 00:23:13.849
Like this is so lame.

00:23:15.093 --> 00:23:27.089
There's more than one way to do it no you don't say I was actually gonna say that there's more than one way to do this more than one way to crack a nut.

00:23:28.752 --> 00:23:33.559
That sounds painful, and different strokes for different folks.

00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:39.114
Sometimes those are used depending on your audience.

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Basically All right, so I have wrote a scene.

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Do I get to open my computer again?

00:23:46.512 --> 00:23:51.210
Yeah, and you got to click on the part three one and I'll set the scene when you're ready.

00:23:51.813 --> 00:23:52.094
Ready.

00:23:52.786 --> 00:23:55.073
So I even gave you a name.

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It's not just kate, you're playing a character okay so to set the scene, we're in a dark 1800s parlor room.

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Two people in waistcoats percival and emma.

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You're emma, I'm percival no thank you sit drinking tea.

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Papers and diagrams are spread out on the table.

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A taxidermied cat sits ominously on a shelf, so I'll be Percival here.

00:24:18.691 --> 00:24:20.355
Now hear me out, emma.

00:24:20.355 --> 00:24:22.650
What if we skin it from the tail up?

00:24:24.915 --> 00:24:25.396
Tail up.

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Are you mad, Percival?

00:24:26.871 --> 00:24:28.832
That's how my cousin lost a thumb.

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The tension builds near the haunches.

00:24:33.009 --> 00:24:34.071
It's madness.

00:24:34.333 --> 00:24:34.834
Madness.

00:24:34.834 --> 00:24:37.499
No, no, it's innovation.

00:24:37.499 --> 00:24:43.507
Look if we don't find a new way to skin a cat.

00:24:43.527 --> 00:24:44.990
The Royal Efficiency Society is going to reject our grand proposal again.

00:24:44.990 --> 00:24:50.019
Why can't we just invent something practical like a steam-powered muffin warmer?

00:24:50.420 --> 00:24:55.313
Because, Emma, everyone is doing muffins, but cat skinning Untapped market.

00:24:57.980 --> 00:25:01.510
You know, the idiom never said we had to actually skin a cat.

00:25:01.510 --> 00:25:05.366
It's metaphorical Percival Like don't count your chickens.

00:25:06.520 --> 00:25:18.592
So I'm not supposed to count the chickens either, and this is why the phrase stuck, because no matter what you're doing, there's always another terrible way to go about it.

00:25:18.592 --> 00:25:24.886
Wow, so that's the end of our role playing.

00:25:24.886 --> 00:25:26.064
Thank you for participating.

00:25:26.124 --> 00:25:27.087
Absolutely, it's fun.

00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:35.108
So, anywho, that's the end of the deep diver, deep diver, the deep dive on those particular idioms.

00:25:35.108 --> 00:25:42.580
So and I do even mention this at the end, but I'll even say it now we have another section here and this is another interactive part.

00:25:42.580 --> 00:25:58.555
Okay, the ones I'm about to do, I may do a deeper dive on episodes down the road, okay I just want to say that, so we are going to do rapid fire idioms oh, all, right, okay.

00:25:58.555 --> 00:26:02.164
So I'll say the idiom Okay, kate, you will guess the meaning.

00:26:02.946 --> 00:26:03.228
Okay.

00:26:03.429 --> 00:26:12.824
All right, I'll let you know if you're correct and then I'll give a very, very, like I said, short explanation to each one that came from the bowels.

00:26:13.707 --> 00:26:23.689
That came from the depths, someone behind me I don't see anyone scott free is it scott free or scotch free?

00:26:23.929 --> 00:26:42.403
scott, I was wondering scotch free is a non-alcoholic drink scott free like literally you got away with something, um, without consequences.

00:26:42.403 --> 00:26:45.428
Evading punishment uh, comes from scott, meaning a tax, not the country.

00:26:45.428 --> 00:26:48.433
A what tax tax?

00:26:48.433 --> 00:26:53.326
Yeah, all right, grasping at straws um.

00:26:56.791 --> 00:26:58.114
The thing is, I know all these.

00:26:58.114 --> 00:27:06.990
Maybe, Trying to come up with something when it's not super easy to do.

00:27:06.990 --> 00:27:09.474
Desperate, yeah, desperate.

00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:12.248
Desperately trying something unlikely to work.

00:27:12.248 --> 00:27:14.125
Yeah, you're grasping out straws.

00:27:14.144 --> 00:27:14.306
Yeah.

00:27:15.121 --> 00:27:27.307
Nip it in the bud stop it before it starts stopping a problem early, like trimming a flower before it blooms, which I thought that was funny, that that was the one of the examples I found.

00:27:27.327 --> 00:27:31.821
Uh, rhyme and reason there's no rhyme or reason.

00:27:31.842 --> 00:27:38.006
There's, there's no well, if you say no, then you make it negative, but there's also another way to look at it.

00:27:38.006 --> 00:27:40.547
But it's clear logic or justification.

00:27:40.547 --> 00:27:42.030
Yeah, rhyme and reason.

00:27:42.030 --> 00:27:46.390
So there's a rhyme and reason to this, or there's no rhyme and reason, obviously turning it around.

00:27:46.420 --> 00:27:49.084
Yeah, there's justification and a reasoning.

00:27:49.404 --> 00:27:51.186
Yep, yeah, wet my whistle.

00:27:52.809 --> 00:27:53.991
What I'm doing right now with my beer.

00:27:53.991 --> 00:27:54.653
Have a drink.

00:27:56.881 --> 00:28:00.691
Whistle a slang for mouth, which I can't do, my six-year-old son can.

00:28:00.691 --> 00:28:03.743
Are you calling the birds?

00:28:03.743 --> 00:28:07.326
No, okay, I like the cut of your jib.

00:28:12.363 --> 00:28:14.148
Is jib in reference to a dance.

00:28:14.589 --> 00:28:14.670
No.

00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:19.901
Or your outfit.

00:28:19.901 --> 00:28:20.221
No personality.

00:28:20.221 --> 00:28:23.808
No, because I would think like I like the cut of your jib.

00:28:23.808 --> 00:28:28.384
I like what you do, I like who you are, I like what you represent I mean that that's.

00:28:28.665 --> 00:28:35.263
That's ultimately what it means yeah, yeah uh, but it refers to the shape of a ship's sail used to judge it from afar.

00:28:35.263 --> 00:28:44.132
So, like you could see a ship, you could see its jib and you could tell what it is basically or who it was or whatever it was.

00:28:44.712 --> 00:28:45.173
I like that.

00:28:45.173 --> 00:29:00.881
I like that from afar, yeah, but not up close, head over heels, you love, or?

00:29:00.901 --> 00:29:03.567
enjoy something so much, yeah, that your head over heels you're it's supposed to mean falling in love?

00:29:03.607 --> 00:29:10.493
yeah, but originally described doing a somersault why, like, I, get the somersault, but why did it change into?

00:29:11.375 --> 00:29:13.461
I've known of this one for obviously a long time.

00:29:13.461 --> 00:29:15.207
I'm fucking old, like you like to tell people.

00:29:15.387 --> 00:29:19.669
Cause there's, like there's something referencing like a tea kettle too.

00:29:19.669 --> 00:29:20.531
That's similar.

00:29:21.343 --> 00:29:21.604
Is there.

00:29:21.865 --> 00:29:22.808
Head over heels.

00:29:24.566 --> 00:29:25.269
I did not see that.

00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.643
Something over spout or something I don't know.

00:29:28.560 --> 00:29:29.344
Ass over tea kettle.

00:29:29.945 --> 00:29:30.828
Yeah, that's it.

00:29:31.144 --> 00:29:31.550
Is that?

00:29:31.753 --> 00:29:32.099
it Maybe.

00:29:34.718 --> 00:29:39.109
I've never Heard the it was originally do doing a somersault.

00:29:39.109 --> 00:29:40.492
I'd never heard that before I looked this up.

00:29:40.492 --> 00:29:48.843
Um, but I always thought like head over heels was stupid, because yeah, it's called standing up, but I never really understood that.

00:29:48.843 --> 00:29:52.987
But I knew what it meant, but I just like, let's, that's kind of dumb.

00:29:52.987 --> 00:29:54.067
But anyways.

00:29:54.067 --> 00:29:56.930
So now you'll have to do a deeper dive on that one.

00:29:56.990 --> 00:30:03.496
We'll do a deeper dive on that one compared to the tea kettle over ass over tea kettle.

00:30:03.536 --> 00:30:13.285
Yeah yeah, Uh, dollars to donuts Um like a even exchange of something.

00:30:13.285 --> 00:30:14.500
Uh not quite.

00:30:14.500 --> 00:30:21.109
Betting something valuable against something nearly worthless a very confident wager.

00:30:21.109 --> 00:30:40.625
So if you were going to like, if you knew for sure that whatever was going to win you would bet a thousand dollars, but you you would only bet, the person you're betting against would only have to bet a dollar, kind of thing, cause you knew you were going to fucking win, kind of scenario, something like that, down to brass tacks.

00:30:41.461 --> 00:30:42.204
Oh, I don't know that one.

00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:47.942
Getting to the core of a matter, the origin is unclear, possibly furniture related.

00:30:48.464 --> 00:30:49.287
French related.

00:30:49.426 --> 00:30:51.511
Furniture, furniture, yeah, not French.

00:30:51.511 --> 00:31:17.630
In a nutshell, that's from nathan in a nutshell um, basically something, a large concept kind of broken down into like a quick yeah, a very brief summary, summary it goes back to ancient texts said to fit entire stories in tiny containers, and it's funny because when nathan sent me that one, I send him back the back, the Austin Powers gift.

00:31:17.630 --> 00:31:25.252
That is him, in a nutshell, like I don't know if you remember that movie, but anyways, all right, pleased as punch.

00:31:27.740 --> 00:31:30.589
I mean that kind of speaks for itself, does it though?

00:31:30.589 --> 00:31:33.368
Yeah, you're so happy about something, yeah.

00:31:33.903 --> 00:31:39.907
I don't know what punch and judy is, but apparently it's something and it refers to punch from punch and judy.

00:31:40.107 --> 00:31:41.551
It's some kind of doll, is that?

00:31:41.551 --> 00:31:48.618
What it is um, I only know it in reference to the movie gone girl which was that in there?

00:31:48.618 --> 00:31:51.786
I don't remember that it was part of like their scavenger hunt.

00:31:51.786 --> 00:31:53.548
There there was a Punch and Judy doll.

00:31:54.250 --> 00:31:56.013
Oh shit, I didn't put that together.

00:31:56.013 --> 00:32:13.385
But I don't know if they're dolls or, like their characters, that in the movie they had them represented as dolls, I don't know, I'm not sure, but basically it refers to Punch, from Punch and Judy, who was constantly violent, yet always delighted, unhinged and happy energy.

00:32:13.385 --> 00:32:17.890
Yeah Is basically what it's saying so all right, so that is a.

00:32:17.890 --> 00:32:19.664
That concludes our rapid fire.

00:32:19.664 --> 00:32:22.232
Wonderful, now I have one more for you.

00:32:22.232 --> 00:32:22.773
Okay.

00:32:22.773 --> 00:32:24.660
One truth, two lies.

00:32:24.740 --> 00:32:31.821
We've done this once before oh man I know, so I'm gonna give you the idiom okay and I'm gonna give you three options.

00:32:31.821 --> 00:32:33.846
Okay, you have to guess which one's right.

00:32:33.846 --> 00:32:38.855
Done, all right, so, but yeah, so we've done one of these before.

00:32:38.855 --> 00:32:41.328
I thought it'd be fun to do another rule of thumb.

00:32:41.328 --> 00:32:43.421
Have you heard this before?

00:32:44.082 --> 00:32:44.342
Yes.

00:32:45.022 --> 00:32:45.742
Do you know the answer?

00:32:46.064 --> 00:32:46.584
I think so.

00:32:46.864 --> 00:32:47.744
Well, let's see if you do.

00:32:47.744 --> 00:32:48.385
Okay.

00:32:48.385 --> 00:32:58.375
Option A In medieval England it was legal for a man to beat his wife with a stick no thicker than his thumb, hence the rule of thumb Mm-hmm.

00:32:58.375 --> 00:32:58.875
Okay.

00:32:58.875 --> 00:33:04.005
Option B Carpenters often used their thumbs to estimate inches.

00:33:04.005 --> 00:33:09.413
Before precise rulers were widely available, it became a rough measuring standard.

00:33:09.693 --> 00:33:09.874
Mm-hmm.

00:33:12.602 --> 00:33:21.753
Option C Scottish judges in the 1500s used thumbs as units to measure the distance a criminal had to walk as punishment Yikes Leading to the term.

00:33:26.009 --> 00:33:28.760
Which one do you got I'm?

00:33:28.780 --> 00:33:29.882
going to say A, a, huh, yes.

00:33:29.882 --> 00:33:31.502
Well, you would be wrong.

00:33:32.663 --> 00:33:34.224
You know why I would say A.

00:33:34.724 --> 00:33:37.287
Because man beat his wife.

00:33:38.167 --> 00:33:44.112
Because there is a reference to it in Boondock Saints at the very beginning.

00:33:44.991 --> 00:33:45.153
Oh.

00:33:45.692 --> 00:33:52.678
When they said rule, they were the brothers were teaching a new hire how to work the meat plant of some kind.

00:33:52.678 --> 00:34:00.384
Yeah, and he said, well, rule of thumb, and she's like.

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Men weren't supposed to beat their wives with more than the thickness of their thumb, that's where I got that.

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That's wrong.

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It is wrong and it's funny.

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You mentioned that.

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I totally forgot about that.

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But the funny thing is A it's a myth, a persistent myth that basically people think is correct for that.

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Do you think that's a what's that called Mandela effect?

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No, it's literally a myth that people think that's what rule of thumb means.

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I wonder where that came from History?

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I'm not sure.

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Okay, so the other one was basically using using your thumb as a ruler, which is correct.

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That's the correct one yes that's, that was going to be my next right, yeah, my next answer I mean, the third one I came up with was kind of ridiculous, because who's gonna measure how many thumbs you're gonna walk to your punishment?

00:34:52.807 --> 00:34:59.262
but I don't know, get your thumbs out to unit of measure get your thumbs out everybody.

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We got this, okay?

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No, maybe not, but uh.

00:35:04.771 --> 00:35:09.021
So those are the idioms I have for you today.

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Thank, you I hope you enjoyed some of them I did um.

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But if there's anything we learned today, that idioms are completely absurd I mean, most of them are, uh, but somehow they're still around, uh, they're passed down like weird hand-me-downs from history, even if we've all forgotten where they came from, because and that's why we do these, because we don't know, I don't know where fucking most of these come from and that's kind of why I like looking them up.

00:35:32.864 --> 00:35:40.855
I feel like I was bamboozled, Not an idiom but a great word Bamboozled.

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I think we need to come up with something for that, but that's probably what makes them.

00:35:47.063 --> 00:35:49.105
Last, though, is their historical nonsense.

00:35:49.105 --> 00:36:09.181
That we've just agreed makes sense for the most part, but I would like to say hopefully, anyone who gets it this far um, if you have a favorite idiom you want us to explore, or ruin, for that matter, um, please send it our way.

00:36:09.181 --> 00:36:11.246
Uh, I like to, you know, sprinkle these in our episodes from time to time.

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Uh, and I, if I get enough of them again, um, cause I, like I said, I exhausted most of my list of them again, um, because I, like I said, I exhausted most of my list, so, which means I have to fill up our episode.

00:36:20.686 --> 00:36:24.514
Yes, so don't suck um, but if we get enough of them again, maybe we'll do a part two.

00:36:24.514 --> 00:36:29.789
Uh, similar to this um, down the road, so perfect, um.

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But like I said though, some of the ones I did in the rapid fire because they were very quick, brief explanations I might do a little bit of a deeper dive into them in future episodes, just to kind of learn a little more about them, because it was just a quick little thing for it, like who Punch and Judy are.

00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:59.384
Yeah, no, I totally forgot about that, about Gone Girl, I do not recall that at all, but now that you bring it up I'm like oh yeah, that is, that is a thing.

00:36:59.384 --> 00:37:04.740
So I don't know though, I'm not familiar and I'm old, so you would think I would.

00:37:04.740 --> 00:37:06.565
But uh, how was your beer?

00:37:07.387 --> 00:37:08.690
so good, I really like it.

00:37:08.690 --> 00:37:22.208
It's not like a heavy ipa and, like I said, the the pineapple is not strong, but it's on the back end good, yeah, and I officially drank it all that's impressive because normally you don't get to.

00:37:22.916 --> 00:37:24.626
There's been like one or two that you have.

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Glad I could help you finish your beer, yes, so I hope you had a little fun doing this.

00:37:31.742 --> 00:37:32.146
I did.

00:37:32.146 --> 00:37:36.367
It was fun not having to do much, particularly like the role playing.

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You had a little fun doing this.

00:37:37.213 --> 00:37:38.179
I did it was fun Not having to do much.

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Particularly liked the role playing.

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Did you like those?

00:37:41.541 --> 00:37:42.503
Yeah, it was fun.

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Okay, good, I thought you might enjoy those, especially because you had me do a role play not that long ago for Lizzie.

00:37:49.889 --> 00:37:51.711
So I'm like that would be kind of fun to do again.

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But obviously I wanted to include you on it, not just, you know, tell you stuff.

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I love it.

00:37:58.380 --> 00:38:01.784
Yeah, so Anyways, welp, I suppose.

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