A Tale of 9 Yuri's: Dyatlov Pass Incident Part 2

0:09 I interrupt our beginning music for a very important announcement. I'd just like to say happy birthday to my co-host, Kate, who turns 40 today, July 8th, in case you don't listen to it today, if it's release. So everybody who listens to this please send happy birthday wishes to my co-host Kate. Thank you very much. Oh, hey there, oh hey there. Welcome back to Dyatlov. I'm catching on real quick.

0:51 Dyatlov, part Kate Chokes. I was going to say welcome back to Kate dying in the corner. Yeah, this is History, bavoons. Part two. Part two of Dyatlov Pass. I am Kate. And I am Bradley and this is. We have Audra here. Audra Stump, who is a? co-worker of mine who loves the story Of Diat Love Pass. Yes, absolutely. She's been very informative. I've liked her interjections so far on the Part 1, because I didn't know that shit. Yeah, so If you have not listened to the first episode, please go back and do it for the love of fucking god do it? Go back, because you're going to be confused if you do not.

1:33 Those know the story oh, I was there and I'm confused the background is super relevant, right the background is very relevant you're building up the reason why these people are here. So I mean you gotta know a little bit about them right otherwise it's just like you know no nine fucking randos, just right no 100 playing around playing around in the snow. I mean, I used to do that. That was great. There's one for me, so if you decide not to go back and listen, that's a fucking tragedy.

2:14 This is the story about nine very experienced hikers, a tale of nine Yuri's. There's two at this point yes, all right, third one bailed um nine hikers who have um died mysteriously on the mountain in the northern urals in russia siberia or siberia the same thing, the same so if you have not gone back to listen to the first one or watch the first one. We talked about the background of the hikers and the weather or the terrain and what they brought with them.

2:57 We've really set the scene. We really have we really have. Yeah, we set it up. So if you did not listen to it, that's on you. And the timeline. We also went through the timeline of what we knew happened. So far, yes, and when we all started drinking? That's fair. That's fair, she's not wrong. We were having some white Russians with vodka and heavy cream and Still Bailey's, bailey's, yep there it is. Yep, there it is, and I'm having a Modelo because I've had enough liquor from the first episode. Creamy dairy treats, creamy dairy treats.

3:38 She literally only had one white Russian. I had one and a nut. What the fuck. It's all about balance. So we're going to start where the search begins. After the fact After the fact Okay. Okay, the group was expected to return to um. Return to visee, yes, by february 12th right and send a telegram to the university sports club saying, hey, we made it back yes exactly.

4:20 give us our fucking category three exactly. Yes, yes, I want my piece of paper. So no message comes, families start to raise the alarms. February 12th came and went. They didn't start raising an alarm for eight days, though. So telegram Almost not true so. Okay well. The parents. Learn me something. The parents of Rustin Slobodin was the first to express some concern. Sure, rustic's father was the professor Vladimir Slobodin, who teaches at a local agricultural university. Okay, and he actually telephones the UPI sports club.

5:02 Okay, phones the upi sports club, okay, so he was told that the director of the club, lev gordo, is also on a trip. Oh, he, on vacay oh dear and he won't reach be returning for several days right so more days do pass. So, day after day, relatives of the hikers call the university and they're given the same spiel, which is the the group is late understandable, yeah the director is gone. Please be patient so up in the mountains. No phone, no radio, delays are usual.

5:43 Yeah, they are usual well, especially with inclement weather. Yes, you don't know justifiable at this point? yeah, exactly so igor diet love actually told yuri yudin before he he turned back, yeah, that because the trek was so complicated he was expected to take the hike a little bit longer sure I get that, but so, finally, on february 17th, the university, the university officially sends an inquiring telegram to vizay the village where the diet love group was supposed to be returning to have you seen these hikers exactly yeah, what's up?

6:24 Yes, so the families also make a request to the university for some search planes. But no, they're not going to do that. No, no, no, no these dipshits did this on their own, yeah, so the rip. The reply telegram the next day because they get the very next day says the Dyatlov group did not return. So finally, the university takes charge and finally assembles a formal search party of the missing hikers. However, the Dyatlov group's official approved route was ne'er to be found.

7:07 Oh shit. Because they didn't actually get it approved by the commission's records. It was lost in the Soviet paper shuffle. Cold War Again. There's some shit going on, yeah. I mean Cold War, KGBgb and space race, all that shit yeah so so we have no idea idea of what the exact path would have been right. So, with no definitive map of their course, the, the rescuers, are essentially marching into this frozen tundra with basically a blindfold on, not knowing which way the group actually went.

7:51 They went to Lambeau Field. What the frozen tundra Anyways. I'm. Nebraska, and I don't know what that means. That's a common nickname for Lambeau Field. The frozen tundra. Why? Because it's cold up here. Does North Dakota or Montana or Seattle or Maine or Vermont or New Hampshire have a team? I said the ice bowl. What does that mean? So we're not talking about other states, we're talking about the green bay packers I know, but are there other places in the north that have? it doesn't matter, those don't have teams that's what I was asking if they had teams no, yeah, north dakota doesn't know montana, seattle.

8:39 Seattle doesn't have a does but it's not, but it's rainy it's it's like this it's not the rainy tundra, it's yeah frozen correct what about alaska? They don't have a team that sucks for them I mean it's dark for a while, a while up there, and then it's light for yeah a while I feel like we're getting off point we are you just started naming states? Well, you started talking about a frozen tundra, I know nothing of. We blew your mind with football. There's a baseball game on tonight, the Brewers. There's a Brewers game on every night, from my understanding.

9:21 Almost. Yes, you're right, not last night. Okay, okay're right. Not last night. Okay, okay, okay, oh dear. Finally, two men get into a military helicopter and fly over the Ural Mountains, but they don't get very far because of poor visibility. Was it snowing? Reoccurring theme. Yes. There was a storm. They had to turn back With the what yeah? February. Was it snowing? Reoccurring theme yes, there was a storm. They had to turn back With the what yeah? February 21st Volunteers students of the UPT, upi there it is, upi. Yep. Police and military researchers or searchers head into the mountains.

10:05 Okay, they had planes, they had dogs, they had local guides from the Mansee tribe. Yes, they all joined the effort. Okay, february 26th, the tent is found. Cut from the inside. Yeah Fellow. Student of UPI, boris Slovtov, slovstav, slovstav. I feel like we're at an impasse here. His group discovered the trail of the skis that they assumed to be of the diet love group well assumed, yeah the next day, on the february 27th, they discovered the tent on the slope of the diet love pass yes well, it was named that after.

10:58 But yeah, yes, ironically, ironically, slob tov jesus christ. Hey, have you seen slob tov? he was among those who actually helped construct the tent three years prior by taking the tent three years prior, by taking two four man tents and sewing them together. He's the one who stitched it up. So where did the ninth person sleep? Seriously, bradley Again, foot to face situation. Wash them, yep.

11:39 He recognized this tent immediately. Now, take out your fucking phones. Take out your fucking phones. Oh, that was a direction for us. Yes, okay, I don't need. Take out your fucking phones, take out your fucking phones. Oh, that was a direction for us. Yes, okay. I don't need to take out my phone because I'm recording you on my fucking phone, Bradley. I need you to go to our drive. I have it up right now. I need you to look at the tent. It's called the Dyatlov Group something or other. Oh, you have a different thing. I'm supposed to look at Dyatlov Group tent. Yes, Take a look at that picture. So that's the tent that they extracted. And they put up back at the police station. Sure Was it?

12:20 Yeah, absolutely. If you're going to eat, I'm going to eat. No, I'm not eating you it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. If you're going to eat, I'm going to eat. No, I'm not eating. You are, though. I'm not. I'm taking a drink. But that doesn't matter. So this is the two four person tent sold into an eight person tent with don't have room for ninth but hey, everybody's friends here so okay, continue. Okay. I'll wait for my question. This tent was found 300 meters from the top of the mountain, on a yeah. Depending on what resource you look at.

13:01 Yeah. A 22 to 30 degree slope Right. Okay, resource you look at, yeah, a 22 to 30 degree slope, right, okay dietlovepasscom. Oh, they have a website for that yes, that is um in chart, the diet love group foundation. Right, he's in charge of diet lovepasscom. They say it was a 30 degree slope. Okay, so why is there a discrepancy there? I'm not sure. I would just venture a guess it depends on snow drift, yeah settling amount of snow. Yeah, yeah okay, fair enough okay.

13:42 So the official report says this quote campsite is located on the northeast slope of mountain 1079 at the source of river ospia ospia, the river ospia, okay. Campsite is located 300 meters from the top of the mountain 1079, on a slope of 30 degrees. Campsite consists of a pad of flattened snow on the bottom of stacked eight pairs of skis. Tent is stretched on poles and fixed with ropes.

14:31 Nine backpacks were discovered with various personal items jackets, raincoats, nine pairs of shoes. Okay, there were also found men's pants and three pairs of boots, warm fur coats, socks, hat, ski caps, utensils, buckets, stove axe, saw blankets, notebooks, food, biscuits in two bags, condensed milk, sugar concentrates, itinerary and many other small items and documents, cameras and accessory to cameras. The nature and form of all cuts suggest that they were formed by contact with a canvas inside of the tent with the blade of some weapon, presumably a knife.

15:20 End quote can you say utensils again? utensils there it is. I'm no like forensic investigator here, but right the picture if you can insert it to reference what I'm about to say. Yes, we can. Um, the tent is caved in upon, correct? So how does one tell at the point that everything is snow-packed right? right that cuts are made from the inside or the outside so the one that I listened to today was it was some random seamstress right Was in there for some other work and happened to see this set up within the police department I guess it was and said oh, those are from the inside.

16:13 So she's not an expert, but she knows her shit. Yeah. So she knows her shit, kind of thing. Okay, yes, it just is like, oh, okay. So the size of the tent were cut from the inside. It looks like the hikers chose this weird exit to leave the tent, completely ignoring the entrance, and it looks like they fled suddenly and irrationally into the night. Some of the cuts on the tent did not make it all the way through. Okay. Okay, so this tent did not have zippers.

16:54 What did it have? Zippers were invented at this time, but the tent was sewn together 1893. And then the entrance was secured with rope, ties and loops and they closed manually by tying the canvas flaps together. Oh, okay. So it was functional, but not a quick escape. Right, I'm sure. Yes, okay, okay, makes sense. So searchers discovered that the back of the tent was half buried in snow on the side of the mountain. Okay. So the north part was covered with 15 to 20 centimeters of snow. It was concluded from general appearance and density that it was not a result of an avalanche, but blown by the wind.

17:43 Sure, out of an avalanche, but blown by the wind. Sure. Near the tent, a pair of skis were sticking out from the snow okay, which couldn't have remained upright had there been an avalanche. And at the entrance of the tent of the snow excuse me, in the snow was an ice axe Ice axe, mm-hmm. Okay. Next to the ice axe was Dyatlov's jacket. In the pockets was a penknife on a carabiner and a pocketbook with Zima Zina or Zaneta Kolmogorova's photo inside Zanita, zanita's Kolmogorova's photo inside this pocketbook Okay.

18:31 Inside of Igor's pocketbook, right, suggesting that they were dating. Yeah, that's right. That's what you said before. Okay, Yep yep, the objects did not shed any light on what had happened, but it was strange that Dyatlov took off his jacket outside the tent. Well, yeah, because it's like, why would you do that in this cold? Exactly Well. Yeah. On the side of the tent. We'll get there. On the side of the tent, on top of 10 centimeters of snow, tent centimeters of snow, laid Dyatlov's flashlight.

19:12 On top of the tent and snow On top of the snow. That's so weird. Boris, slob, slob, slob, slob. I'm so sorry. Slob, are we apologize for our pronunciation of everything? yes, he picked it up. He was a reason. He was one of the searchers. He picked it up and turned it on. The flashlight was in working condition okay, interesting from boris's witness testimony. He said, quote it was strange that while there was a layer of snow, let's say, five to 10 centimeters thick under the flashlight, there was no snow on top of it and it was snowed slightly on either side.

20:00 End quote. So Wind, wind Right yeah. Drifting All that stuff either side end quote. So wind, wind, right yeah drifting, it's gonna sweep off the top and the object becomes uncovered. So that's what I would assume as well. Unfortunately, there were also a lot of problems when they documented the tent go figure-figure. Two photos were made that did not fit well together. Okay. Have you seen the photo now? The tent one. Yes, yes, the tent photo. Yeah, you can see that there are two photos that were kind of stitched together kind of horribly. Yep. The side of the tent facing uphill was not photographed.

20:42 Oh, the tent facing uphill was not photographed. Oh, we know that there was at least one hole in the tent and diet loves jacket was actually tucked into this hole, oh, okay yes, at the far right end of the tent is left out of the photos. My cats are hungry. They're pawing at the door. I thought I was losing my mind the cats are like looking like. Does anybody else hear what I'm hearing someone make eye contact with me. I'm confused. What is? What is this? My cats are hungry. Is it in my head? part of the torn material on the right side of is covering a hole that has never been measured.

21:28 Interesting, the sizes of the holes are not precise but only approximate. Okay, and when the seamstress who had come in to she came in to like size up an officer's wardrobe or something, she was the one that noticed these knife marks on the tent are coming from the inside, the inside out. Yeah. Why did she decide that these cuts were important and others that were on the tent were not worth mentioning? see, here's the problem with everything.

22:09 I'm a skeptical bitch right okay, I automatically think everyone is lying until I know differently right so my mind is going is this a witness testimony, Right? Who is this woman? She's not an expert. She's a seamstress. But would we call her an expert? We don't know? Well, I mean, but who documented this? Like how many people were involved in this conversation? Because as we talk about the conspiracy theories and the possibilities here, the popular option is to scream cover-up, right. So in the grand scheme, who's this woman?

22:52 How does this lend to the story and how do we know that it's not all bullshit? well, that's the thing it's. It could be a hundred percent bullshit. It could be, I mean seriously that's why this is popular. Well, and that's the thing, it's just, it's the whole pure speculation of what the fuck happened. Yeah. Nobody will fully ever know. There they can do their forensic evidence and so on and whatever. And like they mentioned something in that one which we haven't gotten to yet, so whatever, but we'll get there, okay, but it's like no one will ever fully know. Yeah, because they weren't there yeah, I'm just a skeptical bitch well, I think everybody's which is why you're on this podcast.

23:41 So another problem with these photos there's no ruler so you have no idea the scale no, there was a chair in the back of the photo which they used as a measurement, really to measure the holes in the tent that's weird really. Yes, that seems really odd. Yeah, or just not very well planned out. Yeah, I mean seriously okay so, outside of the tent, eight or nine pairs of footprints. All were leading downhill towards the woods.

24:24 Okay, Okay. Some were barefoot, some were in socks, some had a single boot on, and you can tell all of this by the pictures that they took, sure. So that kind of just puts the question out there. Right, this is where I spiral, guys. If the wind was strong enough to blow anybody's guesstimate of covering of snow around the flashlight? That's on top of the pile, so to speak yeah how did the wind not sweep over and destroy these footprints right? well, right, yeah, that makes no sense, because just drifting alone would have covered those up.

25:09 Yeah, yeah so so if you know the other one comes out avalanche. Um, you know how? How do we preserve, to say, nine sets of footprints, some in boots, some barefoot, some stocking? yeah, no, that that's really weird to really think about. So so as they're looking upon these like footprints down the hill yeah um they notice that it's all in single file okay, so they're like the sand people from Star Wars. Like little ducks in a row. Or the sand people. Some would deviate outside of the single file and then come back Cut them off A couple times they would move out of the single file and come back, but all in all it looked like eight to nine sets of footprints heading down the hill in a very organized fashion.

26:08 Yeah, fashion, not panicked Right, not fast, but just they're marching down the hill. Sure, it was uneventful. Uneventful. Yes, okay, okay, february 27th through March 2nd Okay, the first five bodies are found. Oh shit, about 1.5 kilometers or about one mile downhill from the tent, the investigators followed the footprints as best they could. They do disappear for a little bit and then they come back towards the, the bottom of the hill mountain. Um, they, the investigators, found the remains of a fire along under a cedar tree.

26:56 Yes, okay, two bodies were there right yuri gregory krivonishenko and yuri doroshenko had to be both yuri's gregory krivonishenko and yuri doroshenko yeah they were bare, both barefoot, with minimal clothing. Now, many of the much of the research that I did said they were in their underwear, which was not the case no, no based on the diet love pass website by the diet love pass foundation right say that they were not in just underwear, but they were barefoot.

27:42 Which is basically like being in just underwear out there right, they were in minimal clothing. No, I mean for sure, because like fuck could you imagine? No, do you think it was because of Igor. I can't imagine any of this. Do you think it was because Igor was washing her feet? I mean that's part of the theory. They failed the test of the theory. The test okay, so gregory krivonishenko. He was found facing up okay okay, krivonishenko's right leg has no footwear. On his left foot there was a brown sock torn okay another sock like this was discovered half burnt next to the fire interesting on the backs of his hands the skin is torn.

28:33 Between the fingers there is blood. The index finger is also torn. The skin of his left shin is torn and covered in blood. Okay. There are no more visible injuries on his body. All right. That seems weird. Upon later investigation, it was noted that his own flesh was between his teeth, because he was probably trying to bite himself to see if he could feel. Potentially to see if he had any feeling in his hands Right because they were going through hypothermia. Basically, yes. He essentially bit his own hand in desperation to figure out if he could feel anything Exactly.

29:19 I would imagine you're trying to just figure out am I fucking alive anymore? or have I completely lost it, because at that point you're probably fucking you're so disoriented, you're so cold. Yeah, you're yeah it's like am I alive? I don't know exactly, yeah, for sure could be a good idea yeah, at that point. And the problem is, when you're so deep into hypothermia like that, you're not gonna, you not going to feel that for a long fucking time. But also if I'm a hiker that's stuck and I'm fucking freezing, I'm going to be trying to rub any part of my body because especially my fucking legs Right, because those got to work Like I got to get out of here.

30:05 A hundred percent yeah for sure. So so his clothes were found on ludmilla dubonina okay suggesting that she took his clothes to wear for herself. Right. Okay, okay, um. Kravina Shenko's cause of death was hypothermia. Yeah. It makes sense, yuri Doroshenko. Yeah. He was facing down, but he had liver mortis on his back. What does that mean?

30:50 His blood was pooling on his back. Though he was, he was facing down. All the blood should have pooled down then right, right, but it was up on his back, it was on his back okay which means he would have died on his back, so liver on his front. We learned today liver mortis is different than rigor mortis, obviously yes liver mortis is lividity, for those who don't know it. Um, so the blood settling when you're deceased, rigor mortis, is the muscle tightening. Oh, okay, gotcha so he had liver mortis on his back, which suggests that he died on his back, but he was found facing down interesting okay, so this suggested that someone moved him after death right okay, possibly survivors, and possibly after they took clothes off of them, right to wear themselves.

31:46 Okay, doroshenko had woolen socks on his feet, and over these socks were another lighter sock okay his ear, lips and nose are covered in blood oh dear, and on his left hand, the middle finger is bloody interesting okay, his cause of death was hyperthermia. Sure, okay, the branches on the cedar tree which they were found under, yeah, the two. They were broken up to the height of five meters or 16 feet, suggesting that the hikers had climbed the tree to potentially look for something.

32:27 Okay. These cuttings were at the base of the tree and not used for burning. They were too young of branches so they were too wet essentially. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the clearing of the branches in the tree were facing towards the tent, so we're looking at a mile downhill. Right, we're a mile downhill. There's a cedar tree and the clearing in the cedar tree is in the direction of the tent. So, suggesting someone, climb the tent, maybe cut down a clearing to look, or, excuse me, climb the tree, cut down branches in the tree to look for where the tent might be.

33:10 Oh, so they're just trying to find their way, potentially An orientation kind of thing, yes, which? way am I even going. Yes, sure. Okay. Forensic tests conducted on the bark of the tree had traces of skin embedded in it, suggesting that the pair had frantically attempted to climb the tree while snapping off branches, until their hands basically turned to kind of a little bit. Yeah okay, yeah interesting. I could not imagine being in this fucking scenario. No, this is wild no. Okay.

33:50 Anyways, sorry, continue. The fire in the branches around the excuse me, the fire in the branches around the fire had been cut. Sorry, the branches around the fucking fire, there we go had been cut with a knife. We got there, okay, no knives. Were on any of the persons not found okay interesting the volume of work done suggested that there were more people around the fire helping build the fire than the two that were found near the fire so it makes sense right kravon ishenko and dora shanko if someone took their clothes right. Yeah, in this situation you're an asshole.

34:32 If you steal your good buddy's clothes, yeah, like for yourself right so that's like a they died. Now it's okay. Now we can split up the the clothes situation, right. Exactly, that makes sense. So there's. The investigators also found various fragments of clothing here. Right. A ripped sweater cuff next to the fire. Okay. The trees near the fire had been cut with knives, but there were no knives. Doroshenko. Yuri doroshenko was found with gray foaming liquid on his cheek gray foaming liquid potentially an expelling of air okay, I guess sure krivon ishenko landed in or near the fire and potentially burnt his socks and parts of his body.

35:31 So essentially they're thinking they climbed the tree. They fell one of them expelled so much air that it like applied a gray foaming liquid here. The other one fell into the fire and barked some of his clothes. Okay, okay interesting after falling to the ground, not being able to move due to exhaustion hypothermia hypothermia. They later died, not too far from the fire okay okay, the fire had only been lit for approximately an hour and a half, which means that they found approximately eight centimeters worth of branches of cedar that had been burned through.

36:16 So how much of the branch was burned through, which was how long they could tell that the fire was lit? Oh, okay. So about eight centimeters was approximately an hour and a half of lit fire, that's fucking wild that. It's weird that they can tell that. I mean that's really just impressive. Yeah, I mean I get it, forensic stuff, all that, whatever. But jesus christ, how would you know that? but okay, I feel like there's a lot of variables that could throw that off, though, right 100 yes wind, wind. Someone putting it out early how old were the branches really? how old were they were? they more wet? Were they dry?

36:56 Because I mean, that's all variable yeah, who knows? yeah, yeah, so how krivonishenko and Doroshenko died, which was side by side, indicated that whoever was last in contact with the bodies felt compassion, pity and respect towards the victims and potentially moved them because of the liver mortis. Yeah, okay, yeah, because yeah, yep, yep, yep Okay. That same day, igor Dyatlov, the leader, was found. Oh dear, okay, he was approximately 300 meters, or 328 yards, uphill from the cedar tree.

37:40 Okay, his body was positioned in a way that it looked like he was actually headed back towards camp. Oh, really, mm-hmm Okay. He was dressed decent. He was in an unbuttoned fur sleeveless vest with two different socks on no shoes. It's hard to explain, kind of the uneven distribution. It could be that he had two socks on one foot and he moved one sock to the other foot Sure, just to protect it to the other foot, sure, just to protect it. We don't know. No. He had minor abrasions on his internal wrist, okay, both knees and ankles. He had dried blood on his lips, minor abrasions throughout his face.

38:23 He had bruises on his knuckles common in hand-to-hand fights. Sure there were no internal injuries. His cause of death was hypothermia so he's what the third or fourth person of he's the cause of death hypothermia third, he's the third found. All right, yes, next we have zanata kolmogorova. What, what's her name? Kolmogorova? Okay, nailed it nailed it she was found next okay um, she was beyond diet love. Another 330 meters heading towards the tent how many feet is that?

39:07 So 630 meters from the tent. I did not do a um conversion on that one, that's fine 630 meters from the from the cedar tree I mean, that's pretty far she was just fairly well in layers. She had three pairs of socks, no shoes that's so weird, like why would you have so many socks but no shoes? That's so weird, Like why would you have so many socks but no shoes? That's just strange Well they found what? nine pairs of shoes inside the tent. Right, so I mean fuck if I don't have shoes on. I'm putting all the socks on, give me more socks.

39:47 More socks please. So she had numerous contusions on her face and hands. Okay, she had a long bruise on the side of her torso, a very long bruise which looks like a potential baton hit. Oh, and the important thing here is that this is pre-mortem right, Right After death. You don't bruise. So correct Because yeah, there's no blood flow Right. So, and where she is at, on the pass, on the way to the tent, there is nothing growing Interesting. There's nothing there, ok. Her cause of death is hypothermia due to a violent accident violent accident, no doubt okay next they find rustam slobodin on march 5th, so a couple days later.

40:44 All right, he was at a distance of 480 meters from the cedar, so he was actually between igor dyatlov and zenaida kolomogorova she's the one last name that I just can't quite get, okay, kolomogorova, yes. So he was covered with 50 centimeters of snow, face down, headed towards the tent. He was dressed better than the others. He had one felt boot. One felt boot. He had dried blood on his nose, a lot of abrasions on the side of his face. Yeah, bruised knuckles, like he was in a fight.

41:25 Okay. Bruises on his left tibia, hemorrhages on his temporalis muscles of the face up here okay fracture of the frontal bone, potentially from a blunt object, but not lethal okay okay. His injury pattern is a reverse of what we would actually see an injury suffered by a freezing man in the last minutes of his life right, yeah, 100 so it looks as if rustin fell repeatedly on his face as he was walking down the mountain, except for he was walking up the mountain I mean, I guess, the cats are going crazy in that room I hear them yeah it looks as if um so.

42:13 So he had bruises and scratches which were all blamed on, like last minute agony. Essentially, yeah, although it was still somewhat unclear how it managed to harm him. When a person falls, even in an irrational state, my cats are going crazy at the door, so initially I thought it was like popcorn popping and I'm like there's gonna be fucking popcorn. Oh, it's escalating, it's really popping. Now, okay, that's not popcorn, pop it like it's hot Okay. All right. So we don't know how he did damage to his exterior hands and legs. Right. When a person falls down in like an irrational state, it's usually the palms that suffer.

42:59 Typically, yeah, You're trying to like stop yourself Because you're stopping yourself. Yeah, Exactly. So somehow every time he potentially fell he hit his face. That's so weird. So if he hit his head he could have lost coordination. On Slobodin, the liver mortis spots were on top on the top surface of his body, which means he potentially was flipped over. Right he potentially was flipped over right with corp, corp, corp, kovina, krivonishenko, with krivonishenko and doroshenko. The medical examiner potentially mistook frostbite erythema, which is redness for liver mortis.

43:44 Oh, when frostbitten bodies are thawing, the body can turn red making it for mistaking it for liver mortis. This could possibly have happened to Rustem? Okay, okay. Two months went on without the last four hikers being found. Oh dear. The weather was horrendous Yep and snowfall was making the search impossible and at this point we are going to take a small break. We don't have much more to go, but I need to pee again. That's fine, and we're back.

44:26 It's my new thing, tom. I'm going to start everything now, every meeting, everything I do, fuck yeah, fuck yeah. Bitches, okay, ready to fuck today in the mouth? Yes, I'm sorry that came out really aggressive, no that's my new sentiment for every fucking day. I'm going to fuck this day in the mouth. Right, fuck this day in the mouth. Super professional all the time. Always, always, Frankie. Okay, we got two pages left. Come on, Frankie Fakes, let's do this. Okay. Oliver's the one I'm nervous. He likes to rub on shit and make noise.

45:08 And he's doing it now. God damn it I know, I'm kind of confused why he's out. I'm like revisiting this whole scene of Bradley kissing thing. Oh, it wasn't anything. Oh, my word. It wasn't like a romantic kiss, no, it was, was just. I want to see that, so we just. That's all it was like thanks for making tacos yeah exactly. Thanks for making tacos smooch.

45:48 I had to edit a lot of shit out and we're back, are we? part of the thing is like obviously I'm editing this out. So I'll just say it. We're dating. The podcast doesn't know that that's why Kate visits your house. Yeah, and I visit hers. Yeah, I visit his family. Yeah. And we're co-workers? Yeah, and so are Sam and I. Yeah, exactly 100%. Yeah, who would think otherwise? Anyways, let's do this. Two pages, let's go when you guys said you weren't gonna get here to four, I was like this is gonna be a long night to be fair, I did try to leave like right after work, but same happened on a Friday.

46:44 Everything is blowing up right about that time. So it's like hard stop, gotta go. I was ready she was. It was me Like I wasn't wearing a shirt. You know Shirt at a time like this. I'm like I gotta wear a shirt. Are you sure I have to put a shirt on? I did. I don't really like leave my house. Like that's the joy of working at home, that's quite alright, I totally get it, totally get it. It's not like I was walking around with my tits out, like I did have a. A bra and other flannel. Do you want to know a funny fact?

47:25 You walk around with your tits out. No, my, my initials is Bra oh. Bra. My name is Bradley Rogers Akers. Okay. So I have three last names. Bra. Yeah, Bra. I have three first names. Three first names Kate. Elizabeth and Stuart, that's not your first name. I have three first names that's not your first name, though I mean, do it for being technical it is Katie, isn't it? yes, but I know you don't like that. Don't fuck shit up just to be destructive, okay let's finish this okay, we're back and guess who's back back again shady's back tell my friend, yeah okay, we're on to may 4th yes, be with you yes, once the snow started melting for so that's two months later.

48:34 Wait, yes, holy shit, this two months star wars right this is pre-star wars but star wars transcends everything. That's fair. We just didn't know the story until the 77. That's fair, it was already there. It know the story until the 77. That's fair, it was already there it was cooking. Let's hone this in folks. Once the snow started settling. May 4th. Just kidding. Once it started melting. I was going to say settling. A Manse tribe native and his dog were walking around and found some pants with the right leg cut off pants at a time like this and he found another. I have to put pants on he found the left half of a woman's sweater again all cut up where's the right half?

49:25 The right half was cut off, as well as the sleeve of the left half. Okay. So it was a vest. So this area in this search was searched with probes. People would poke down a bunch of probes to see if it hit something solid and during the search yeah, imagine that job no, no, fuck that. That would be terrible and they did search this area with the probes, but the snow was too deep to actually reach where the bodies were found okay but a den was found, a den about 70 to 75 meters from the cedar tree downhill.

50:12 Okay. The LaBaz, not quite the LaBaz. The den was made by the surviving four members of the group in a ravine that was hidden from cold winds. Vein that was hidden from cold winds. Cedar branches were brought here and laid out to minimize contact with the snow. So they built this den, they brought in these branches and they would sit on the branches Right, okay. So on one hand, it shows that they are sane enough to do all these survival tactics. They still have the survival instinct Right. Yes, On the other hand, it's unclear why it worked, because where did the knife go?

50:58 There was no knife. There's no knife Right yeah. No knife found. No knife and some of the clothes that were taken from the bodies left underneath this cedar tree were placed on the cedar branches and they weren't being used okay that is weird. So devil's advocate here yeah, right, devil's avocado devil's lettuce. Um. So if these branches were hypothetically gotten from around the fire? Right, you know we've climbed the tree, we've gotten the branches. We're trying to look out um this could explain some of like the shin injuries, right you're breaking it over your knee because oh, there's no evidence, like no one has a knife, that's known.

51:47 But I would assume that they would know the difference between something being broken. Your cord is making noises If you want to put it across the microphone there, or that You're good. Yeah, you're good. I think they would know the difference between a branch being broke versus being cut. Yeah. I mean you're not wrong there, because they could definitely tell that I know what you're saying. Yeah, I don't know. It's just weird, because you would definitely know if it was broke or cut. Yeah, I think so. I mean there's significant was broke or cut. Yeah, I think so. I mean there's significant difference between the two.

52:30 Yeah. So I don't know, it's just strange. Yes, go on. So, the bot, the leftover, the leftover, excuse me, the four remaining bodies. And these are the people that were by the the ravine the ravine they were not found in the den that they built no, they were. They were found in a ravine because of, potentially, what the other one I listened to was there was moving water underneath it. What's the word I'm looking for? Fuck? disintegrated human flesh yeah, let's go with that yeah that's exactly what I was thinking, so they were buried a few feet away in a ravine under four meters or 13 feet of snow but it also was snowing, and and blowing.

53:26 And blowing. So I mean, there's potential for that to be a part of that 13 feet. So it's not like significant, like I shouldn't say not significant. It's not like okay, well, snow all fell on them. It could have been blowing around, whatever. There's a lot of different variations of what could have happened. For them to be under that much snow is what I'm saying. So if you both want to take a look at the document that I created, the one with the tent and everything. Yes, so it has a picture of the tent where all of the hikers were found, yeah, and kind of like the overall visual.

54:12 Of course it's not accurate in any way, shape or form. Just kind of a, just a visual representation overall visual yeah, just so that you kind of know where everybody was found and where right. So who was? Who was diet love dating again. What was her name? yeah, zanada, the one closest to the tent, who had died uphill okay, so they weren't far apart from each other, but they were someone who was between them yeah, yeah, rustin. Rustin was, slobodin was between them right, okay, I was just trying to figure out how close they were. Yeah, okay. Okay so. Yeah.

54:52 Ludmila Dubonina. Yeah, there she is, yes. She was at the bottom of the ravine. She was one of the four, yeah. Yes, she was found fairly dressed. She was wearing the clothes of some of the others which speculation is other. They found others dead they died, they took their clothes to help their survival correct. The clothing that she wore was gregory krivonishenko right and it was found after the fact that his clothing, at least his, his top, yeah was radioactive right, which is wild, that they would even test for that I mean honestly so ludamilla, apparently in the last attempt to kind of preserve her feet, also took off her sweater and cut it in two pieces okay and put it around her feet.

55:48 She was already wearing two pairs of socks and a third one on one foot, but not the other. She couldn't find the pair, or whatever. I mean if she was in a rush, yeah, so one half of the sweater was on one foot, the other half she left on the slope. She actually didn't get it on her foot, okay, somehow it was unintentionally left behind, sure? Um, she had severe internal injuries severe yes, ribs two, three, four and five were broken on the right side and two were fractured lines which are visible.

56:32 Yeah, ribs two, three, four, five, six, seven are broken on the left side, which is basically all of them. Yes, I was saying is there any left With an additional two fracture lines? That's crazy Just your first one, which is kind of hard to get at, but yeah, you're not wrong there. Holy balls there was a massive hemorrhage in her um heart's right atrium, potentially due to one of the broken ribs okay she also had. I'm so ready for you to say this Fuck yeah, say it, do it. She had a missing tongue.

57:13 And eyes. And eyes and part of her lip and Her hyoid was broken. What's that? Your hyoid is way up in your throat. Yeah. And is an injury that typically only occurs in cases of strangulation. I have not heard that in any of my research. That is one of the most fucked up injuries in this whole spiel and I haven't heard that in any, not even on the Diet Love Pass website. So questionable there, questionable so many things. It's crazy but, yeah, her hyoid was broken, which isn't an easy thing to do, right?

57:59 no, I get it is a small bone, yeah, yeah, but, and it's a fragile bone, but you do have to really get up there and apply pressure. No, for sure, because otherwise Consistent pressure. How would you do that, right? No, it has to be consistent excessive pressure, yeah no, for sure. No, I get that so doobanina was found lying on a natural ledge with continuous water flowing over her. Okay, her mouth was open yes and while some have claimed her tongue had been torn out or eaten, the medical report is more restrained in saying, quote the tongue is missing yeah I mean, they also didn't fucking know.

58:47 So yeah, I don't know, seems weird, but yeah, okay the forensic examiner not only noted or, excuse me, noted not only the missing tongue, but also the absence of the hypoglossal muscle, which I believe is like one of these, like side tongue muscles okay and the floor muscles of the mouth, so she was missing all of that okay, okay. Did they mention anything other than what they weren't missing, like in terms of this seems normal no, okay, no I'm just curious, because it's like I get what they're stating there, obviously, but I don't know, I'm never so what's weird is that there is a high lack of detail in the autopsy compared to other autopsies okay.

59:41 Okay, there is no clear explanation for the vagueness which only fuels in our speculation, absolutely. Right. Her stomach contained 100 grams of dark brown mucosal substance. Okay. Which is usually said as coagulated blood. Yep and this interpreted Interesting as a sign of her heart was still beating when the tongue was removed. Oh, so she was still alive. This is speculation. Obviously it is not proven, but speculation no but obviously speculation.

1:00:22 They think she was alive when her okay yes, so much like our conversation about how you can tell that a branch is broken or cut. Yeah, you can probably tell if a tongue is cut or ripped out. Yeah, exactly, for sure for sure, yeah, just for fun so just for funsies. Her official cause of death was listed as hemorrhage to the right atrium of the heart. Okay, by multiple fractured ribs and severe internal bleeding. Sure, no external wounds. That's none. That's so weird. Coroners described the trauma as being hit by a car, yet no soft tissue damage, cuts or abrasions how?

1:01:13 how hard were they hit by the car? I don't know. The thing right like I'm just saying because like cause that like no. Anyways, I'll say in terms of this yes dubonina would have died with that injury yeah within 10 to 20 minutes after the initial trauma oh, it would have been quick, it would have been, very fast. Okay, yeah, fair enough probably very slow for her well, yeah, yeah, you're not in the grand scheme but overall overall her so much yeah, so semion zolotary off, okay, okay if you'd like.

1:01:54 Yeah, you've got that reference photo now. Yeah, so semion had similar injuries as ludamina Yep, yep, yep. Okay, yep, he had broken ribs two, three, four, five and six, on the right side only. So basically, that's so weird that it was on one side. Yeah, she was on both sides, he was on one side. Seven and one and seven Is that. So it would be like something hit potentially hit her directly, right? Yes, it seems that way yeah something, uh, or he turned to the side yeah, he took it on the side. If she was forward and he was turning to the side and they both got hit, it would just be his side.

1:02:39 Her front correct makes total sense yeah so he had hemorrhaging into the cardiac muscle. None of the soft tissue was damaged. Okay, he also had missing eyeballs animals like to eat yes, they like soft parts yeah, there are foxes. Yeah, reindeer, voles squirrels, sure. So yeah, potentially a lot of different wildlife. Yeah, honey badgers these wounds are very similar to the type of trauma that results from a shock or a bomb.

1:03:20 Really. Yes. I mean I'd like to disagree but okay. We'll talk about theories. We'll talk about it. Both Zolotaryov and Dubomina had an interesting pattern of injuries. They were both similar in direction and force, despite their shape, their height, their body composition. And also, with Zolotaryov, Semyon Zolotaryov he most likely did not die of the cold. Oh, he was well-dressed and he had burka shoes. What are burka shoes? They're just like really insulated-type boots that are so pretty in russia.

1:04:03 Okay, um, he also was found with a camera around his neck. Now, what's weird? Yuri yudin, the one who turned back yeah he said that there were only four cameras and this would be number five, he did not know that this one existed. Well, I mean, it's possible, he just didn't know. It's possible, he just didn't. It doesn't seem like he's lying. You're operating as a group right. So you know, there's a couple cameras floating around if you hit that perfect photo op. But I mean, maybe they all look the same. I mean very possible. Maybe they're all just atypical black cameras, who knows?

1:04:45 Right but it just seems weird that I don't know what sucks is. The melting water around his body damaged the film. Of course, and we're sure of that right Because no one would lie about that. No, Now speaking of lying, we of never had photographing evidence that we've never hit speaking of yeah, never never, apparently he also had a pen and paper in his hand at the time of death. Really, one of the rescuers recalled that colonel or t off or t of cough, sorry, I don't know. He grabbed the notepad, looked at it, cursed and said, cursed, dropped a cheese ball I dropped a cheese ball he said quote.

1:05:33 He's written nothing, end quote so to this day, he seems to have been the only person to have seen this notebook, and it was never filed into evidence. So basically, it's your say. How is that possible, though? That makes no fucking sense it doesn't. So the question is was it blank? No one can account for that. No, because no one's seen it but him. Is it blank because it was actually blank, or did the elements wash it away? Like you're writing with a fucking pencil, right? Right so could be that it was exposed to sun, the paper degraded.

1:06:14 It was two months, quality of lead in russia, 1959. So there's a lot of variables there, right? No? 100, it just seems really odd, but it's interesting to me that someone experienced something right at the point they are about to die and is like I need to write this. The fuck down I don't think that it's like uh, I'm leaving a letter for my loved ones. This is like my final memoir right, right 100 this is like, uh, I need to leave a clue about something and this is fucking highly important.

1:06:55 So the fact that it is not in evidence of any kind or documented is interesting to me yeah, because in essence, he was trying to find a way for it to live past exactly this time. So yeah, that's strange. Yeah, I get that okay, so the next person found in this ravine was alexander kolevatov okay okay, he was 24. His clothing was also radioactive. His upper torso was protected by a sleeveless shirt, a long-sleeved shirt, sweater fleece, sweater ski jacket, but it was unzipped. Okay. His ski jacket was damaged.

1:07:36 He had a big hole on the left sleeve with burnt edges. Okay, his right sleeve was also damaged and several tears were found. His jacket was unbuttoned and unzipped. Oh shit. He had woolen socks, no shoes. He had a broken nose Okay, broken nose, okay. And in this, this is where one of those like weird things on the same website doesn't make sense yeah on dietlovepasscom, it said that he had a deformed neck and another part of the website same website it said he had a snapped neck deformed neck I feel like that could mean a visible deformity.

1:08:27 I mean it very well which could be a snapped neck. Yes, so deformed is a little bit more generic snapped is a little bit more specific, but it's just kind of it's odd. So he also had an open wound behind his ear, a, a three by point or, excuse me, a three by one point five centimeter wound, yep. His autopsy was also lacking a ton of details from the I'm shocked. Are you Lastly? Not at all. Not at all. Skeptical, bitch over here. Lastly, we have Nikolai Sobobrignol. Yeah.

1:09:08 It was suggested that he and Zolotaryov might have been outside the tent at the time. The whatever fucking happened happened. Okay. The time of the event, it was suggested that they both had to go pee, and so that's why they were so well dressed compared to the others that they were outside peeing. But both of them were much better prepared than the rest of the group. They both wore hand-mitten woolen socks and a pair of felt boots Felt boots. Weird Thibaut Brignol had a deep, depressed, multi-splintered fracture in his skull. Okay. The medical examiner said these theories would not have been the result of Nicolay simply falling from the level of his own height, but falling and hitting his head at a deeper, deeper depth.

1:09:58 So this kind of injury could have only occurred if he had been thrown into the air, sure, and his head hit against the rocks okay yeah, lack of damage to the soft tissue showed that he could not have been hit by someone with a rock by someone's hand well, right, I mean, look at it okay this kind of trauma could have occurred if Thibaut Brignol had been thrown and fallen and hit his head against rocks, ice, etc. by the gust of a strong wind. Right. Like a 75 mile an hour wind, I would say so Give or take, yeah. He probably would have had a severe concussion and could have only had shown signs of life for about two to three hours before death.

1:10:44 Again probably felt like fucking years for him. Yes. No. I mean fuck. I think at that point you'd probably be limited in your motor function. Yeah Right, everything you can't move and you're freezing. Yep so this is where the facts end and then next is where the theories start, fuck yeah what scared the hikers so much that they had to cut themselves out of the tent? And this is pure speculation and clearly it's, it's aliens, yeah. And walk Radioactivity Walk single file calmly down the hill.

1:11:30 Do we know they were calmly or they just walk? Single file. Question about the footprints. Yeah, it's about the footprints, yeah. Like seriously I don't know, I mean forensic people can chime in here here, but how do you tell that steps are like even keeled and calm versus I would say if you're running, you're dragging your feet these are larger stride steps, yeah these are most clearly steps. No, I get that. However, there can be variations and I would assume so how? How do you know? But all of them. It might be like everybody's in a fucking panic, but we need to remain calm. Situation Like we don't know the speed they're walking, but it could be calmly right.

1:12:14 So, Yep. There's no signs of struggle. There's no like hardcore external injury, just minor abrasions there's not like animal activity, there's not like a visible animal attack. No, no there's no watch right, there's no claw marks, there's no bite marks, there's nothing it's a hundred percent yeti, yeah, um the the thing is, though, obviously there's eyes and tongue, and whatever we're missing Very, very, very well could have been an animal. Because they don't know better. They're like ooh. Delicious snack. Oh yeah, eyeballs, they're up there for survival as well, I'm fucking hungry.

1:12:56 That's like gold in the desert, you know? Water in the desert, yeah, and people don't want to blame it on animals because it's not someone to blame, it's not a malicious thing. It's, it's not malicious it's just animals, being animals well, an animal doesn't hit someone with the force of 75 miles an hour and destroy ribs. No, no, I mean maybe, whereas somebody could be like, um, let me move you animal, I'm 75 miles per hour and I go. No, they don't fucking know the difference between 75, 85, 20. It doesn't matter, they just don't know. So I don't know. So our next episode is going to be about the theories.

1:13:38 Theories yeah, there's so many fucking theories, they have 76 theories out there. Yeah, well, there's so many fucking theories, they have 76 theories out there, oh my god we're going to talk about eight of them maybe, maybe 12 if I throw a few but please for the love of god, not 76. We're not going to talk about 76 I think about 76, but that's fine. That's how my brain works. Well, Audra, thank you so much for being here. Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you. Yes, we will resume with our theories with Audra and Bradley, as always. Cheers, I've got an empty beer. I don't. My mom was empty.

1:14:19 Cheers, audra, you're not drinking, but cheers nonetheless, and thank you for being here and this has been fun. And let's get into some fucking theories. Hell yeah, Welp, I suppose. All right, buffoons, that's it for today's episode. Buckle up, because we've got another historical adventure waiting for you. Next time Feeling hungry for more buffoonery, or maybe you have a burning question or a wild historical theory for us to explore hit us up on social media. We're history buffoons podcast on youtube x, instagram and facebook. You can also email us at history buffoons podcast at gmailcom. We are bradley and kate. Music by cory acres follow us wherever you get your podcast and turn those notifications on to stay in the loop.

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