Over the Hills and Far Away: Jacquie Davis

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4:50 Yeah. So we're not doing a beer today. We're doing a cocktail which we like to do from time to time. It's a Bradley and Kate staple. We like to enjoy these. It's not the fancy one I I made, however long ago that was now but it is a gin and tonic and I'll let kate say where it's from. So it's from the store sometimes I don't know why I do this with you okay, so we um are drinking gin and tonic with diet or sugar-free tonic, which we both enjoy over the fur yeah and the gin we got from a distillery where we pretty nathan and I pretty much like lived across the street from them yeah, that's what you said and we were one of their first customers, but it's the plank road distillery in.

5:42 Plymouth. Wisconsin, and it has gotten so big. Not the building, but just the amount of popularity, much popularity. Yeah, it has gotten so big in popularity and they even have some merch and they sell their liquor. But when you go in they actually have pre-made cocktails. Right, so you would get the pre-made cocktails, but then you could buy the actual booze yeah. They have little glasses and just a t-shirt. Lots of stuff and it's just a couple who did this, which? is awesome. Yeah, and a lot of the wood that they have in there was original to the building from like way back in the day, so you know you probably remember the time.

6:31 But but plank road distillery has, can I? tell you something real quick. Yeah, do you know what it's like walking with jesus? I do, anyways plank road distillery has agave and whiskeys and bourbons and gin and I'm sure there's a bunch of other stuff that I'm just not thinking of right now. They have quite a wide variety. Uh, nathan. I got to sample a bunch with nathan we tried a boatload of the stuff that he brought home corn whiskey right there, that was. That was a good one. Yep, I like that, but it was. It was fun sampling right, that was one, that was a good one. Yep, I like that, but it was fun sampling all those with Nathan. They have some good stuff, though, but we went with a just simple gin and tonic, with their gin today.

7:14 Yes, so it is quite delicious, but we just wanted to give a shout out to the Plank Road Distillery in Plymouth, wisconsin. So keep up the good work, so. So I have a question for you. You do. Yeah, when you think of bodyguards, what do you think of Kevin Costner? That's what I put down. I literally put down Kevin Costner. Exclamation point great movie. Do you know? I've never seen that movie. Oh man, it's with Whitney Houston, right. Yes, and it's so good. I mean to each her own. I'm not a huge Whitney Houston fan. But Her.

7:58 Coke days were pretty good but Her voice, well, it's iconic. Iconic yeah. It's so good, so good, and all the songs in there are amazing. Anyway, yes, kevin Costner. Well no, when you say bodyguard the age that I'm at, I instantly go to the movie. So yep. Thanks, Kevin. Thanks, Kevin, oh wow. So we're going to talk about the first female bodyguard in the uk okay from the 70s first female bodyguard in the 70s. Who is she a bodyguard of? I will tell you oh yeah that was part of your research it was as a matter of fact thank goodness um.

8:40 Her name is jack Davis. Jackie Davis yes, and she spells her name Jackie J-A-C-Q-U-I-E. So she's one of those weird people. No, she's really fantastic. She's still alive and she's still very active. How do you spell it? J-a-c-q-u-i-e. Actually, sarah worked with somebody who spelled it that same way. It's a very different way of spelling, jackie. So 1977. Jackie's 19. I was negative two. And she was a police officer in London.

9:20 Oh, was she yeah. At 19,. She was a police officer. Was she a constable? She never actually mentioned that I did, so I didn't mention this. I was going to mention it at the end, but all the material that I got, yeah, it's from her personal biography. Oh she, so she wrote one. Yeah, was it actually written by her? yes, it was nice yeah, she is the author. It's called the circuit do you know what cop means cop C-O-P, cop yeah Police. Constable on patrol. Oh really yeah, apparently Didn't know that, yeah. Okay. So she started off being stationed in North London and she would catch people stealing weird things Priced horses on fair day.

10:02 What? Really yes, they would Really yes, they would be stealing horses. They would actually dye the horses. Like in the Wizard of Oz, and it was super entertaining when it would rain. Well, yeah, because it's like they're bleeding their color, basically, wow. Yeah, I'm not going to dwell on that, because it's weird. But, she then moved to the south of london where everything was different. Um she was. She was put on the shoplifting unit okay and she would hang out at bus stops and asian owned corner shops why? why was she singling out the asians? because a lot of people actually would go in as like a group of people similar to 40 Elephants, right, that's what was going through my brain.

10:48 There would be a group of them going in and like stealing. Did they have a white fur coat on, or whatever? That was no, a white coat. Their posse would go into the shops, take what they want, and they would just leave without a hiccup. Sure Jackie was really good at picking out shoplifters from stores. Just by watching their eyes, even like you can see them like darting back and forth looking for someone. Yeah, um, cctv wasn't a thing back then. No, but this was actually a nine to five job and she wasn't making the money that she wanted buck 50 a day. Stay tuned, folks so she heard a sergeant from another precinct um had um was in need of a female bodyguard.

11:32 Like he was actually seeking out a female to perform for for what reason was he seeking out a female bodyguard? I will tell you okay so he was in need of a female and she's super interested. So she contacts him, she has an interview and she, because of what she was doing on on the job, she had 15 days of PTO. Oh, so she immediately took the PTO. Don't blame her. And got this job. Good for her. Moonlighting, which is what she was doing, was a fire, fireable offense, but a lot of cops did it sure, just to make it. Yeah, because they weren't making the money right yeah, so her first gig was protecting a sheikah, a sheikah, sheikah, sheikah, a sheik, a sheik, a sheik's wife oh, a sheikica.

12:21 Okay, yes, so she was one of three chicas of a gulf country it was not specified what country okay um, but she would, this wife would go on extravagant shopping trips I'm sure she would money was not an issue in any way for this woman and her kids kind of like in jurassic park spared no expense. Yes, exactly so jackie would be in a limo with the chica, her kids, her nanny, her, you know her, everybody, whatever her entourage. Yeah, exactly, exactly yeah, um, and then there would be a limo in front of them with surveillance team oh wow, really yep and there would be a limo behind them as a backup limo in case they need to switch limos that's wild yeah, I barely can afford a car, let alone a backup cloak and dagger.

13:16 Did you ever see that movie? that's a movie I will educate you later so once at the store, the first limo surveillance team would like go in quickly and sweep the store sure, just to make sure everything's kosher, yes, and then the she could would, um, arrive there and she would have two bodyguards in front of her and two behind her. Wow, where? And I think jackie was might might have been behind, uh, in front of her. Okay, um, but they would escort her quickly through the store to like a designer room and like everybody would come to her then yeah, so she didn't, she didn't have to walk the floor. Basically she could shop in private. Essentially gotcha okay. And jackie was like this is so fucking glamorous.

13:56 Well, she loved it I can imagine it certainly felt that way because of what she was doing, compared to what she's doing now. It's like fuck, that's quite the turn, yeah and the sheikah had a had a couple of kids who are also like money is no object right um, and at any moment jackie's thinking. This person, these people are rich, they're politically sensitive people um, they're famous. There is a risk of kidnap at any moment. Sure, no, that makes sense, yeah so the gulf royals would come to visit for in london for weeks at a time yeah, it makes sense to. Yeah, it's not like a week trip or day trip or anything right they would come and stay for a while, so okay and they would like they would literally like take over the top floor of, like the international um hotel that they would went to the whole floor was theirs?

14:45 Oh yeah, Because then they don't have to worry about anyone else. And then the other two wives had their own hotels. They had two other wives. Three wives, yeah, I mentioned the Sheikah is one of three. Oh, so the Sheikah had three wives? Yes, because that's their religion. Yes, or whatever, gotcha Okay that makes sense wow yes. So when she wasn't guarding the royals, she would join a retailer um, one in particular liberties um, and she would scope out thefts from both clients and employees. And she actually caught a couple of employees from like stealing from the company, sure. So jackie attended a specialized training for those um on what they called the circuit okay and it's just like um essentially, when police say I'm on the job right right, I'm on the circuit oh, okay, okay, and it's and it's a lot of um personal surveillance and bodyguards and that kind of thing okay, so, um, her training lasted for three weeks.

15:47 Eight people were in this course with her, and jackie was the only woman they lived on site in like dilapidated, like pre-fabricated huts in an old army camp oh geez yeah, they would wake up at 5 am to run every, and then they would have breakfast. Oh dear. Food, I like food. Yeah, you eat a lot. Then they would add a few hours of personal training, instruction, and then in the afternoon and evening they would be in a classroom or they would be doing practical experience like they learned reconnaissance, surveillance, map reading, first aid, firearms, drill protocols, how to address a head of state, sure Um, all the way to like, which fork to use at which part of the dinner or whatever Wow.

16:40 And how to um get a principal or a client in and out of a car. It would be choreographed essentially like a dance on how to get someone out of a car and into a car. Sure, wow. I mean, I guess that makes sense because they want it efficient, yep. And they also learn defensive and evasive driving techniques and how to spin a car 180 degrees, 180 degrees there it is and block a suspect vehicle when traveling in a convoy okay, I mean three weeks of just intensive yeah, that's intensive training, that's. That's a lot yeah. So before the training she knew that she could protect the Sheikah and her children.

17:26 But after the training she realized she wouldn't have done a good job the first time, right, if something were to happen. Right right, she is ready. She is absolutely able now to actually do her job well. Okay, yeah. That's wild okay, yeah, that's wild. So jackie ends up meeting at a, at a I think it was a conference, um for police or surveillance, um guards and stuff like that okay I don't know how to describe it. That's fine. Yeah, um, she met ann and buddy walker ann and buddy walker they had a firm called the iss, the international security services okay their market was actually child rescue.

18:11 Oh, wow yeah and um, I think they were in north carolina, so she was stateside at this point gotcha so so did she move no, no, she would travel all over the world for trainings and different things, so so at this time jackie stateside she meets ann and buddy gotcha gotcha okay so when two people from different cultures cultures marry the children end up trapped where one of the parents doesn't want them to be what do you mean? So I will give you two examples coming up Gotcha. But essentially the ISS helped mothers get their children back. Oh, okay. So Ann said that their firm gets about 300 letters a week for help, asking for help.

18:58 Wow yeah, and she really struggles with that because she cannot afford to help the mothers. The mothers can't pay for all the services and reconnaissance that's needed to to extract the children sure, no, that makes a very pricey situation a lot goes into it, so it's understandable fares, accommodations, bribes, if needed, equipment, maybeipment, maybe a chopper, a boat, renting a car, anything like that, jesus, all of that is expenses. Okay, so Ann was having a really really hard time Because she can't just Do what she wants to do yes. But money was Tight, tight, yeah, yeah.

19:39 So Ann received a call from a woman who had recently been to Saudi Arabia. Okay, there she met my, so Anne received a call from a woman who had recently been to Saudi Arabia. Okay, there she met Myra Myra, an American mother, okay, who was being held against her will, oh, with her children. Oh dear. With this woman's help, the woman who had called about Myra, myra, was able to ask Anne officially for help, so Anne met this woman. Was that a thing Like she had to officially ask yes? Yeah, pretty much For legality we need to make sure that this is legit. Gotcha and we don't waste our resources on this. I mean that makes sense because, like you said, it's expensive. So yeah, so Myra is being held hostage and she was able to ask Anne officially I need help, Please come Get me out of here.

20:26 Yes, so Myra met her Saudi husband while attending a university in Washington State. Okay. He was charming, earned a good living and over the years they had five children. That's a lot of years. That's a lot of children. Yeah. I got two, and that's enough. Three boys, two girls. Damn. And the oldest was 10. Okay, oh, wow so they were together for a long time. Right In. Washington? No doubt Then, mr Husband man. Mr Husband man, I like that name. He suggested that they take the family to the Middle East, because that's where he's from. Yeah, weird. Let's see where I grew up. Let's make a nice family holiday. You can meet the grandparents, so you can meet.

21:08 You can meet the in-laws yeah exactly, exactly, wow, after 10 years of being together he's like let's go. That seems weird yeah. So cousins, grandparents, nephews, nieces, let's meet the whole. We'll make it a nice family holiday. I have a barbecue. They would stay in a large villa in Riyadh and there would be servants and chauffeurs that would accommodate them. How wonderful, I mean, it sounds amazing. Amazing. Sign me up. Yeah, and then Mr Husband man changed. Why how? So Do tell, do tell, he got mean.

21:51 Oh, he got moody, he got arrogant his time of the decade, or yeah, he confiscated meyer's passport that's a dick move took a full-time job. Job in riad he did okay so they can't leave because I got a job now I mean, you still can leave. Fuck you, dude. He announced that she and their children were his property and no one was going. Okay, so they can't leave because I got a job now. I mean you still can leave. Fuck you, dude. He announced that she and their children were his property and no one was going to return to America. He employed servants, who were his eyes and ears for everything. So I mean, can I ask how do you do that for 10 years and then all of a sudden, because clearly that's how he was right, right, obviously. Yeah. So it's like you're doing this for 10 years. That is called a long con, for sure.

22:33 A long con, holy fuck. Because like you're in the state, you're stateside for 10 years. Washington State. You said right, at least 10 years yeah. And you're like let's have some kids. I love you, honey, let's go meet my family now. No, I own you. You're my property. These kids are my property. You're not. They're not even your kids. You're their fucking property. Now which? this is weird and maybe it's not in the book. So this is all speculation, right, maybe? Maybe once he did get to Saudi Arabia and met his family, he was kind of like pushed into. Coerced into being that way. Yeah, coerced into being the way that everyone else is there, but okay, but I don't know.

23:17 I get coercion. I understand, like the concept of it and everything, but it's like you were this way for 10 fucking years with this person. Yeah. Maybe more's like you were this way for 10 fucking years with this person. Yeah, maybe more like you said how do you change like that? I get things happen, but like couldn't be like we should probably go. Honey, my family's making me do this and I so clearly, so clearly he was that way he had to have been he was just building up his fucking I'm not even done yet with this story I know which is sad, so I'm sorry. So I'm gonna give you like a few stories that jackie had involved with. Involvement with um, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like I said, he had servants for his eyes and ears.

23:58 Um, they reported everything to him, right? Um, he had found out that myra tried to call the us embassy and he broke her ribs. Oh shit, and he tried. She tried to call a family member in america and he broke her arm what's, what's his, what's this? guy's name again, mr husband man I mean that's, that's a good name there. Um, there wasn't a ton of names. Um, I think I don't even think his name was. There's another story in here where the name was mentioned, but I don't know. I just that's fine, that's fine. I was just curious, cause I just want to call him a dick. Yeah. Mr Husband demands a dick. Myra desperate.

24:38 She actually had an opening. She would take the children to the to the golf house for the summer, While his. She would take the children to the to the golf house for the summer, Um, while his. I don't even know where that is Like. This is all coming from her book, so she. she leaves out some details, but which is probably probably for the protection of the people Like we don't even know what golf country yeah. Yeah, um well, I guess Saudi Arabia was mentioned, but yeah, that was the only one, but either way, I know what you mean. So, mr Husband man, actually spent six weeks in Indonesia on business you keep calling him Mr Husband man. This is fantastic. Anyways, keep going. So Myra was guarded by servants and armed drivers at all times.

25:21 Oh sure, and despite money not being an issue, everything else was, sounds, that way. Women were not allowed to drive. They were not allowed to be driven unless a, the man that she had to be with, could prove that she, um, that he was a paid employee of the of the family. Mr Husband man. Or a relative or a husband. I get cultures and stuff, but that's just fucking wild to think about. Yeah, so, with no password, no paperwork for her children, anna Buddy and Jackie, came up with a scheme. Okay. Okay, they hired a boat in Djibouti.

26:03 I love that place, djibouti. And they were to sail along the Yemeni coast and into the Gulf. Okay. Okay, they were to snag the children and the mother off the shore. Oh wow, a few men went ahead to do some reconnaissance, but they couldn't ever get close enough to Myra. She was under armed guards at all times could you imagine having that much fucking money to have armed guards, like for your significant other and be like watch her? Yeah, just like what the hell did he do to have that much fucking money? Yeah, jesus christ well. She was guarded so much that jackie and the rest of the team had to abandon the rescue.

26:47 I kind of saw that coming. Nothing could be done, and Jackie suspects that Myra is still in trouble. Right, and that's so sad To this day, yeah. I mean based on when she wrote the book. How long ago did the book come out? I knew you were going to ask me that I mean. It's a valid question, Is it not? I don't think it was very long ago. Okay, there's a lot of different years. Really. The one I'm seeing most often is 1998. 1998? I graduated high school that year.

27:30 I'm old Interesting. Okay're gonna say 1998, that's fine, okay, so poor Myra, yeah she's probably still there. That's, that's wild. I mean it's sad that Jackie like had to just be like sorry, yeah, I've got to pull out because there's just no fucking window of opportunity to even get close to you yeah, I mean to have that such armed guard on um on this person and a single person. Yeah how many five kids right? yes, jesus christ, poor kids and buddy and ann are like I got 299 letters that still need our attention and our resources. We have to abandon this one because it's just not working. We can't get to this person, let's focus on the others.

28:12 Yeah, that's just crazy. So another woman called the ISS office and her name was Dinah. Dinah, not Dina. Could be. That's fine. Could be Dinah Dina. I know who Dina was. could be that's fine, could be dina dina um d-i-n a I don't know um she was also from riad. Oh, really okay. Um, and she got out. She actually married a man, um, and he took her to America. So she got out Good for her. And she was desperate to get away from her father. Oh, wow, okay yeah. He would beat her, her sister and her mother. So did only she get out, or did the mother and the sister?

28:54 Only she got out. Well the mother actually kind of got out too okay, oh really so, after several years of hostilities, the mother went to england for a medical treatment and she was able to stay there, oh wow. But that means dinah's younger sister, who's 26 at this time, was left with her father alone, oh dear. So dinah and her sister spoke on the phone often, and one call dina, discovered that her sister accepted a ride from a neighbor and they had been stopped by police and, as I had mentioned before, if there's no paperwork that says this is a relative, yep. They discovered that she was unmarried, traveling a man which she is not related to or married to.

29:37 They gave her a notice of punishment on the spot jesus christ she would have to report to them and receive 40 lashes wow, what? yes, 40 lashes for that. Yes, that's insane so dino was prepared to pay whatever it took to get her sister out right. So jackie and another guy from the circuit and a friend who had contacts in saudi arabia, concocted a visa application okay and jackie couldn't go into saudi arabia alone as a woman, right, and the men couldn't go alone and try to speak with the sister and because, cause they would honestly like get in trouble, they'd get castrated, they get beaten for talking to an unmarried woman which is just crazy.

30:24 So their cover was to sell machine parts to Saudi Arabian companies. That's high density polypropylene pipes. I love those kinds of pipes. Best pipes in the world. So their visas came through, but they were only valid for six weeks. Oh shit, so they had a limited time. Yes, her sister it's funny, because six weeks sounds like pretty good amount of time, but when you're doing this, kind of shit. It's, probably it's probably not enough. No, so sorry so her sister's lashings, for whatever reason, was postponed to the following month. So they're like, okay, she hasn't had that happen yet. We need to move fast gotta get in there. Yeah, yeah, okay so jackie went to purdah.

31:05 Uh sorry, it is a garb called purdah, it's. She swapped from head to toe okay and her face is completely covered oh, wow, okay, how does she see? Her eyeballs are out. You said, her face is completely covered she even went to an optician and got brown contact lenses to like complete her disguise. Oh, wow, so she went full bore. Yeah, okay so jackie's contacts followed the father to hanover, germany, where he actually stayed for a couple months during the summer okay and they actually had men. Keep him under surveillance really, yes, oh, so to keep an eye on what the fuck he's doing, to make sure that he didn't come back earlier, or something like that, okay diana's 28 year old brother stayed in riyadh with his sister, so he exists too.

31:56 Oh. And he was very much like his father. Well, yeah, I mean so nice. Back in America, Jackie had a Saudi Arabian contact. Right. And they employed him, got him a fake passport, oh, okay, and he was to arrive at Riyadh Airport. Okay, remain on standby and collect his fake wife, the sister, oh, and then he would take her back to America. Okay, wow, they concocted all of that. That's crazy. So the contact had a very short amount of time to help with this case.

32:37 Not sure why it wasn't mentioned. He had three weeks to fly out from California, pick her up and drive back or fly back. I was going to say drive back. That's a hell of a drive. He was being paid $25,000. Wow, for three weeks of work. Probably not even. Can I do that? That'd be great. I'd do that, that'd be great, I'd do that, so he would arrive on a flight from la. If jackie's listening to this, reach out he would arrive on a flight from la, stay in the departure lounge until the next flight out, and he would leave with or without her, like he was. Like I gotta get home so basically, if it happened, great, if didn't, I'm still going, yep and that was all well aware of well documented, if you will yes, it was the deal sure, no, I mean I get it.

33:21 Yeah, he's got, he's got to go and it's also dangerous for him too well, yeah, I mean it's not like you know. Well, whatever, I'll just hang out here for a bit and have a couple cocktails, like yeah, it's in riad it's very dangerous for him as well, because people are going to start questioning like what the fuck are you doing here, man? Yeah, so yeah, no, that makes sense. So the sister couldn't leave the country without proper paperwork Right, so to get on the flight she would have to have a passport as a wife. Right because. Yes. As this guy's. She can't do anything without a man. No A. Saudi. No Saudi woman can leave the country without a passport. If she was unmarried, she would have to be issued one with the permission of a male relative that's so wild.

34:05 Or if she was married, she would have to get the permission of her husband. Right, okay, that's crazy. So her story is that she left Saudi on her unmarried woman's passport at some point. Okay, it really doesn't matter. This is all fake. Right, right, right. So she has an unmarried passport. She left to go to America. This is all fake. She met a guy, the contact, the Saudi contact from LA. He's in LA. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She married him in America, oh in america. Oh, and then decided to to come home to see her folks right on her newly married passport right and he flew to riyadh to take her back to america gotcha okay, so that was the ruse gotcha.

34:53 Wow, a false marriage certificate was bought and a false passport was bought. It was thirteen thousand dollars holy shit the passport would be stamped with an exit visa when she left saudi. At one of one point that they made up, yep, but because, as a us resident, she would have to have an entry visa when she came back right so because they had to put that into the passport as well, that was an additional five thousand dollars for a stamp, holy fuck. So this is a very expensive, very dangerous and so who's paying? this is the, the girl paying this the sister.

35:34 Jesus christ, just to get somebody out, I mean that that between that is eighteen thousand dollars already. Yeah, I'm sure that wasn't well, and and then the um, the guy who's playing the husband was awarded 25 000 25. So holy crap. So you're already at 43 000. Yeah, and there's probably more expenses involved as well. That we're not saying yeah, holy shit so, dressed in her disguise, jackie walked to the post office in riad, and she had to keep her head down. It's not, it's not permitted for a woman to look a man in the face, good lord. Um. So a dinah arranged for her sister to be at the post office to pick up a quote-unquote package of some kind, like it doesn't matter, sure?

36:16 Jackie noticed her teeny, tiny physique. She was really malnourished I'm sure she was and standing right next to her under her breath, she said I'm dinah's friend, I'm here to help you. She told her sister to write down exactly when her brother was going to be gone from the house, and they'd meet up a few days later okay, for six weeks the sister slipped jackie intel inch by inch okay the brother left the house for three hours in the morning, two hours in the afternoon and three hours late at night that seems weird. Okay, that's a strange schedule he's got.

36:59 The brother was out of the house and Jackie left the post office with the sister following her. She got into a taxi with Jackie's contact as a passenger next to the driver. There's got to be a man in the car. Well, yeah, because you know weirdness. Jackie went to the hotel room and changed her outfit into Western clothes. Oh. So they were off to the airport. Okay, there were three checkpoints along the way out of the city like that's just normal. Yes, it's normal. Okay, gotcha, gotcha the guards at the checkpoints peered and teared their taxi and immediately their eyes bulged out of their head. Jackie gets out. To quote unquote stretch her legs. She's wearing a mini skirt and three inch heels scandalous.

37:42 She was showing some ankle exactly. Oh dear she did that at each checkpoint to it was just to basically throw off yes, to distract them because they usually don't get to see that shit. So if the guards were looking for anything, it wasn't the sister's passport and papers yes, wow, okay isn't that isn't that cool like yeah, that's just yeah. It's funny, like I mean you think about it. Sex sells, I guess yeah so at the airport, jackie handed her passport over to the official, the sister was pulled away behind a curtain by a woman official. A younger official came up to speak with Jackie too, asking about what firm she went to with her, like pipes, how business was in Saudi and what hotel she stayed at.

38:30 And she's like okay, they're just talking to me out of boredom, like they're not actually like grilling me, sure. And then the sister came back to jackie um with that other female. So like nothing even happened behind the curtain, it was just something that they had to do. it was like a protocol procedure yeah, okay so the two male officials started flirting with jackie oh dear tiny skirt, high heels. They barely looked at the sister's documents and waved them through that's awesome they met the fake husband in the lounge and very nervously they all got on the plane sure they were now traveling as married couple right okay, they made it to the plane and let her pick out.

39:12 Sigh of relief and jackie wrote in her book I immediately asked for a drink. Can you blame her there? Because, jesus christ, that had to be pretty nerve-wracking, especially at the end there, because you're like, you're just there. It's like, yes, please make this work, please make this work and you got the other people talking to you and so on, and then apparently the, the heels and the skirt was, uh, so obviously jackie wearing the, the outfit she was wearing, is she a fetching young lady at this point? Like, how old was she at this point? I don't remember what you said. Oh, I don't, I don't. She actually didn't provide a lot of dates. Oh, ok, just that in 1977, I think she was 19. Yeah, I don't have dates, unfortunately.

39:53 She was pretty young, though she was OK. I. She was pretty young, though she was okay. I would say she was probably in her 30s gotcha, um so 20s and 30s. Unfortunately, she didn't provide many dates. That's fine. Yeah, I was just curious. Yeah, so so they got out safely wow, that's crazy yeah so just a few years before jackie retired okay from being a bodyguard, she met ann Ann Lewis, and this is not the same Ann from ISS. I figured this much out. And new Ann had a daughter named Laura. New Ann. She had a daughter named Laura. She was married to the kindest man, a type who would never do anything to hurt Laura, right?

40:35 But alas. Oh dear. Laura was whisked off to islamabad. Islamabad, uh sure, islamabad let's go with that one six months after marrying mr husband and number two okay okay, he's the second mr man. Anne received a note from her daughter. It was a crumpled sheet of lined paper torn from a pad, and it read, quote Dear Mom, I really hope you get this. I have to get out of here. I am locked in the house 24 hours a day. I've got no key, no money and the servants are spying on me. Oh, Jesus, M, as in the initial the husband's name, she called him M.

41:21 But, it's Mr Husband, man number two. Well, obviously Says I must stop living like a Western woman. He hits me every single night and I am 12 weeks pregnant. Oh, Jesus Christ. I stopped eating to get back at him, but then he stopped giving me food. Oh my God. I stopped eating to get back at him, but then he stopped giving me food. Oh my God, Really. I have to get out of here. He has got my passport. Please come and get me. I'm going crazy. I can't have my baby here. Love Laura. End quote Love Laura, Jesus Christ. How distraught of a letter. Well, yeah, because you, you know, you have this person who's giving life to another being and you're getting beaten, you're getting, I mean, kind of starved she self-starved herself.

42:08 And then, well fine, I'm just gonna starve you then, because you clearly don't, clearly don't care yeah that's just I mean. So obviously that can affect the child too, because of malnourishment and all that. Jesus Christ, so Anne wanted to go to the consul or write to a woman named Benazir Butoh, and I'll tell you who she is. I hope so. Benazir Butoh was often asked to help American women, wives and mothers to get their children back, but she didn't have very good results. Oh, dear Jackie said both were a bad idea. The consuls will do nothing to intervene between a woman and her husband, as they are there to promote trade and any kind of challenge could disrupt that.

42:53 Okay. And then Butoh. Jackie has actually guarded Butoh in the past. Oh geez. And Jackie was like she doesn't have good rates, she doesn't have any positive return on people, oh really. She's just not good. Oh dear Okay. So Ann mortgaged her house, oh geez, and she gave the money to Jackie. To make this happen? Yep. And Jackie said I need three to four people and possibly a boat. To be successful, possibly a boat. Yes, okay. So Jackie still had to cut costs and she could barely do the job for the money that Ann could afford. That's just wild, regardless, I mean.

43:37 I get it because everything that goes into it, supplies, I mean it's just so much. It's just like just to get a person out of somewhere. It's just fucking wild yeah. So Jackie got a visa and it took an additional four weeks to get a team together. Because of how low the rates were that Jackie was offering. Very little amount of people would accept this, so it took her four weeks to get a team of three or four people. Sure, no, it makes sense. Yeah, and also, laura would need a passport and she can't get one in Saudi Arabia, so she had to be taken to India. Oh Jesus. Where actually? No, I think she's in Pakistan at this point. Okay, she's in Pakistan. My apologies, that's all right. Where actually? No, I think she's in pakistan at this point. Okay, she's in pakistan, my apologies that's all right laura's in pakistan.

44:19 She would have to be taken to india, where american women can apply for a passport through the us embassy or the consulate oh really, yes, wow, okay, yes, jesus so jackie and a male colleague, mike, flew to karachi. Pak Wow, and that is a seaside city. Okay. Okay, they had two options. One was to get her to Sprintagar by walking across the border through low foothills, and the other one was to get her out to sea through the Arabian Sea. Oh, okay, so so they're like, let's try the boat first. We have a malnourished woman who was expecting a baby. This is the path of least resistance.

45:01 How many weeks pregnant did you say she was? I think she was about 12. Okay, I thought that's what you said. Yeah, but then several weeks have passed, right Obviously so she's 15 to 16, whatever it might be, but I mean, obviously still has a ways to go. But holy crap crap yeah, so they would pick her up in karachi and sail southeast and land on the indian coast. Okay, okay. During jackie and mike's reconnaissance they noticed the harbor was partially blocked by a big concrete s curve road designed to slow traffic I suppose okay and apparently no one could navigate around this thing. A lot of crashes. So the beaches, and also the beaches of Karachi, were crowded with tourists to the point where they weren't sure that they would actually be able to get her out safely.

45:48 They heard gunfire in the streets in Karachi. Wow, really. Yes, good Lord, plan B, plan B. Let's go over the hills. Yeah, lord, plan B, plan. B let's go over the hills. Yeah, with a pregnant woman. Do you know? There's a Led Zeppelin song called Over the Hills and Far Away. Yeah, that's kind of what reminds me of that. That's what they're trying to do, yeah exactly they're trying to go over the hills and get far away. Yeah, so when you look at a map of Pakistan, karachi is a seaside city. Okay. But where Laura is in Islamabad, it's clear on the other side of the country inland. Ooh, that doesn't bode well.

46:28 And it was not mentioned in this book how they would get Laura from Islamabad to Karachi. Gotcha, it was not mentioned. Okay, so, and Islamabad is actually near the Indian border? Oh, okay, yeah, not mentioned. Okay, so um and. Islamabad is actually near the Indian border. Yeah, indian border. So that's where they would go. Okay, sure, sure, sure. So two other men are right from London and they all flew from Karachi to Islamabad. Okay. Okay, they would declare that the mountains are where we're going to hike. It's going to. We're going to hike. We're going to go to India territory. It's going to be fine, it's only 80 miles, only 80 miles, it is 80 miles 130 kilometers, jesus Christ. Over mountains or low foothills or wherever they are. Right, right, right yeah.

47:09 So, dave, one of the team members, went to look at the mountain path they were going to take once they had Laura. So he was doing early reconnaissance gonna take once they had laura. So he was doing early reconnaissance. Okay, roger, another team teammate went to find a route to the airport in case the mountains were impossible sure and then mike, the original team member, and jackie got into a cab and they're like let's go find laura jesus, yeah, that's crazy so laura was being kept in a street lined with head high painted mud walls. Like the street on both sides were painted with mud walls, okay okay, crazy and they all had like trees overhanging so it looked like they were kind of going through this tunnel.

47:51 Yeah basically yeah, and then the house that she was at had this wide double-sided iron gate. Okay. So they went around the block and then back again and they were like driving a lot slower. This taxi has a driver. He's got, you know, a cabbie you know, yep, yep. So between the iron bars, they actually did see Laura, oh wow. They saw her outside, okay. So Jackie and her team continued to survey the place. So did they know it was her? Because they had pictures of her and stuff. Yes, yes, yes, yes, from her sister Dinah, I figured as much. Yes. Good question. So they watched Mr Husband and number two leave at nine in the morning, mr Husband, and return mid-afternoon and then he'd leave again around 8 or 9 pm and then stay out till like midnight 1am.

48:35 That's weird. I don't know what they're doing. I mean. But when he was gone, laura was always with two servants, sure. And I'm sure they were very loyal Again, I think there's Loyal to the Mr Husband man. Yeah, number two. So Roger and Dave started buying supplies Okay, water matches, food rucksacks. They would use those rucksacks to plant along the route to india. Oh so they're just, they're stashing them basically yes, so as they're moving along, they would have. Okay, yeah, they would always have some type of supply gotcha. Wow, I mean. So it makes sense, because you got to be prepared yeah and and then you're not carrying everything on your back and that's what I was just gonna say, because otherwise you got all this shit with you and it's like that's a lot of shit, so now you can at least space it out over miles.

49:26 It's a great logical idea well, yeah, for sure so they traveled the first few miles and did this okay, okay so there did seem to be one obstacle, and that was an old fort manned by pakistani soldiers okay but the men promised that they could easily hike around it. So that was like the really only thing. That was like up in the air, kind of. Thing okay. So one night after dark, mike and jackie went to the house oh mike gave her a leg up over the wall. Jesus, she was was in all black, she was in a headscarf and she approached the house sliding along the walls. I mean, can you just imagine this as a movie? No, I mean yes as a movie yeah. It almost seems like a comedic like you know whatever.

50:11 Yeah, like there's comedy music and it's almost like old-fashioned. Yeah, right, right, right. A talkie. That's crazy. So Rogers had identified Laura's bedroom earlier and there was a little light coming out of the window. So Jackie peered over the sill and she saw laura sleeping on a bunk inside oh, dear okay laura crept in nope jackie crept in there there it is, and she was trying not to make a noise and she clamped her hand around laura's mouth and immediately said your mom sent me. Like don't freak out, your mom sent me. Yeah, I'm here for you, yes, for you can you imagine like being woken up, like no, because you're like what the fuck?

50:55 yeah, no, for sure yeah. So laura confirmed who she was and that she desperately wanted to leave, like jackie specifically asked. Asked her who are you and what do you want? Right, I am, I'm laura. Do you want to get out of here, laura? Yes, I do. Right now. Yeah, and. Jackie's like I'm sorry not tonight. That's got to be heartbreaking, I know, but this was part of like the reconnaissance. I totally get that. I do too. Yeah, I mean she's, she is. This is the right person. She is who she says she is. She wants to get out of there, Not just be like no, I'm pretty cool man, Right Because the sister could want one thing and she wants another thing, so you got to confirm.

51:39 But it's like, all right, I got my info you want to get out. We can't do it tonight though. Yeah, yeah, which totally makes sense. Yeah, it does so. Yeah, okay. So jackie said that she'll be back in a week or two. They still have work. That's got to be like to laura. That's got to be like a week or two. Yeah, are you kidding me? That would just feel like an eternity. I know, trying to like, knowing, like, basically, I see an out and end to this whatever, and it's like when is it gonna? Come, oh, another week, another two, and it's like when is it going to come? Oh, another week, another two weeks. It's like when you're waiting for that job application, like you're waiting for someone to say you know, you had a great interview, I'll get back to you in a week, and they don't get back to you, and then they don't.

52:22 Yeah, now they just use AI to like weed through resumes and it's just stupid because it's like you know how many candidates get that are probably proper for the job. I just never mind. So the team had to put things into place over the course of the next few days, and that makes sense, so okay um, they didn't have one piece of crucial intelligence, and that was what the border would be like between pakistan and india. Oh, sure so they wanted to be sure that no one would shoot at them on their way to srinagar. I mean that's, that's probably a pretty uh integral thing to know so they're having this meeting, okay, the team, okay.

53:07 Suddenly the phone rings. Oh, a man, an english man of unknown origin. We have no idea who he is she did not write in the book who he was. She didn't know him. Well right. He says quote they're on to you. Get out now, oh shit. And then the line went dead really that's wild. I feel like we're like we're reading a fucking spy novel, or not a spy, but no, you're right something like that. You know what I mean. It's like that's what you would read in a book, like a fiction book that's crazy. They're on to you, get out and then the line goes dead.

53:48 Yes. Wow Okay. So now they're really on a timeline. Well, I would say, that kind of sped that up a shmidge yeah. So Roger and Dave set off for the hillside and Mike and Jackie hailed a cab and they're like Laura, middle of the day go. Let's do this Wow. Laura and a servant were in the garden and remember those iron gates I do at the house. They're old they're six feet high. They're rusty they're only six feet high. I'm taller than those but jackie noticed that the central clasp that held the gates together looked really weak. Oh, the hinges looked strong but the class looked the class looked weak she told the cabbie to drive through it.

54:32 Here's a 50 ram into those gates. Oh shit, the cabbie was like uh no, my cab is my job. It's beautiful, I love my cab, jackie said. Here's a hundred drive through the gate the cabbie crashed open the gates that's funny jackie leapt out, grabbed laura, the servant who was with laura, grabbed laura's other arm. But mike, he got out, he headbutted the servant oh shit just bam. He went down and jackie pushed laura into the cab well, rightly so, yeah, okay the cabbie reversed like hell and then went the wrong direction.

55:13 Oh no, he didn't know no, he didn't know. Oh, dear he didn't know. They wanted to go to the foothills. He went, he went into town oh, jesus christ so they actually got stuck in traffic and jackie like we have to start walking. So Jackie and Laura started walking towards the foothills and she's like Mike, deal with the cabbie, go find us another cab somewhere that's not in traffic and come pick us up, right, okay, wow, so they were all Okay, hold on. Let me, after a little while of walking, yeah, yeah, yeah the same cabbie and mike picked them up.

55:54 Somehow they got out of traffic, jesus christ, somehow they got out of traffic now this cabbie's. He's fucking in it yes, he is so they picked him up, picked them up and they were. They were all dropped off at the foot of the hiking trail and jackie gave him another hundred and said forget about what you just saw. Yeah, we weren't here. Yep, wow, yep, that's crazy. Mike flew back to home from Islamabad. He had to leave. I don't know why, but Mike left. And then Dave and Roger. The other team members stayed with Jackie and Laura. Okay. So they began walking at about four o'clock four o'clock in the afternoon, at this point, and they had to. They had to walk through the night when it was coolest, sure.

56:37 So they knew that they were going to be pretty much, you know, awake for a very long time, yeah, yeah. So Roger and Dave took turns walking ahead to scout and navigate by stars and compass, wow Okay. And then the other one would bring up the rear of the party, so they would change positions. Alternate yeah, okay. So at one point that fort with the Pakistani soldiers that came into view and it was really run down, but it was still patrolled, so they had to walk an additional five to six miles to detour around it. Okay, yeah, that's quite a detour.

57:18 Five or six miles, that's not, that's no. Okay, yeah, wow. So Jackie looked back at Laura at one point she was two yards away and a bullet hit the tree. Holy shit, a bullet hit a tree beside Jackie's head. Oh dear. And then another gunshot. Laura froze and Jackie took action, because that is what she is trained to do. Well, yeah, that's what her training showed her to do. She grabbed Laura, hurled her to the ground behind a log and threw herself on top of her. Wow, Gunfire on either side of her. Dedication Okay In 1947, a partition of British India created a Muslim-majority Pakistan and a Hindu-majority India.

58:07 It was split okay kashmir and jammu are regions yeah they were able to choose what country they wanted to join. Oh wow, and they are now regions in india okay okay, militants in the Indian-administered part of Kashmir have been fighting New Delhi's rules also in India, jesus, new Delhi's rule since 1989. Okay, so many of the Muslim Kashmiris support the rebels' goal of uniting the territory either under Pakistani rule or as an independent country. Okay, so the gunshots were likely the indians fighting the kashmirian rebels crazy?

58:52 Okay, well, all right, but the team was not seen no it was. It just happened that they were just caught up in the crossfire between yes, yes, isn't that crazy, that is wild they're crawling on their stomachs. And then eventually they got to like a low crouch and they passed through the firing unscathed, that's fucking crazy. Oh my god, that would be fucking scary as shit laura, the pregnant girl, is wearing sandals yeah she's in flip-flops. Well, she did kind of get just taken out of yeah but she was supposed to be prepared at all times and maybe that's the only freaking thing that she had so she's wearing sandals and at times she was completely overcome with despair.

59:34 She kind of slowed the team down, she slowed herself down and the men like tried to keep her spirits up, like well, we're on our way, we're getting there, there, we're going to save you, we're liberating you. And at one point Laura was like I can't do this. Oh, Jesus Christ. And Jackie whispered to her out of earshot of the men and said if you succumb to years of brainwashing and started behaving like a dependent female, we are all screwed. I mean, she's not wrong. She never complained once after that that's good and then jackie was like maybe I overdid it, because if she actually is in need of something, she might not say something I see where she's coming from, but at that point you needed that fucking motivation yeah so day four of hiking yeah they reach srinagar okay, okay here, they hired another taxi and he drove them all the way to new delhi.

1:00:32 Wow, it was a 15 to 16 hour drive. Holy shit, the the guy. So they found a contact and the contact was like oh, I've got a son or a nephew or something who has a nice cab and he can take you all the way there. So the nice cab, the air conditioning in the taxi was a breeze through an open window. Well, I mean, and there were no seats? Oh, they got out their sleeping bags and they slept on the middle floor of the taxi for this 15 to 16 hour drive. I don't blame them, no, that's smart actually actually at one point I think it was dave, I didn't, I didn't write this down, that's okay but at one point dave talked to uh, jackie, and jackie was like in the middle of sleep and he goes, the cabbie has one arm what?

1:01:23 And jackie's like, okay, is the car automatic? No, it's a manual. Oh. Okay, and then they just went back to sleep. So he's kind of like the drummer from Def Leppard. I don't know that reference, but okay, some owl will get it. So Ann the sister, the sister from America or, excuse me, london, flew out to New Delhi to be with Laura. She got a new passport and together, united, they flew back to London. Case closed. Case closed. She was saved. That's crazy. So out of those three, only Myra, myra.

1:02:04 Myra was the only one that she couldn't liberate from those stories. Based off the three that I think't liberate from those stories. Based off the three that I got, that you did, I'm sure there was probably a couple other hiccups in her career and some other successes, of course. But Jesus, could you imagine getting caught in that crossfire? Like she did they did and all that. This is fucking crazy. Yeah, Just to get a person out and the expense of doing that it's just so expensive. I mean, I get it, but it's like damn so for over three decades yeah jackie davis thrived as being a leading close protection officer, a CPO.

1:02:47 Okay. In a male-dominated field, right. Sure. It's known for its secrecy, its inherent dangers. She had many brushes with death and now there is a 2019 Netflix action thriller called Close Okay I've heard of that Starring Noomi Rapace, based on this last story. She was in Prometheus and one of the. Sherlock. Holmes movies. Yeah, and she did, I think the Swedish version of Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. You don't think she did Okay. So Noomi Rapace is playing Jackie in this, this film, okay, okay, and jackie davis was a consultant on the movie.

1:03:33 Oh, cool yeah nice, so you haven't watched this? Right, I have not. Oh no, that might be have to be a future viewing, because I wouldn't mind checking that out then there's plenty of liberties taken. But I've heard yeah mary anning. I mean, we talked about liberties ammonite yeah, complete so my, like I said, my my source material came from jackie herself in her memoir called the circuit okay so she has additional stories in there that she's included before she was on the cases um that were theft cases sure um, and then she had stories on there from when she was on the circuit about other child and adult rescue missions. Okay, so her client list, which they were not mentioned in the book.

1:04:17 It was mentioned in. I think it was on her actual website. Okay. Um, she has. So her client list includes Diana Ross. What Liza Minnelli? What Gerard Butler? I? So her client list includes Diana Ross? What Liza Minnelli? What Gerard Butler? I know him. Nicole Kidman, Bradley Cooper, Sarah Ferguson, the princess, Yep. Justin Bieber and the Beckhams. So really that's weird. So I'm not sure if she actually protected Sarah Ferguson at any point, but in the book she mentioned that she was hired to travel with Fergie's very famous wedding dress to a show in America.

1:04:58 Okay, fair enough Wow. She guarded her wedding dress. I mean because, yes, everyone wants to steal Sarah Ferguson's wedding dress. Jesus. Christ Jackie also served as JK Rowling's personal bodyguard for four years. Really Mm-hmm. Wow. Jackie Davis appears on numerous television and radio programs both in the UK and America. Okay, she's a sought-after expert guest. She has consulted on television and film productions, contributed to documentaries, served as news spokesperson on crime-related matters and she's held editorial positions, serving as crime editor for Hot Gossip magazine and contributing to Combat Online, which I'm not sure what that is.

1:05:48 She is also available as a an event speaker that you can still hire right, I'm sure yeah so she speaks at conferences, seminars and black tie dinners oh and she speaks on how to stay stay safe personally, socially and in the workplace to businesses, women's groups and universities gotcha and while highly trained in counter surveillance, firearms, resistance techniques, bomb searches, defense driving, hostage awareness and survival, jackie's daily responsibilities as a close protection officers emphasize more on conflict management, strategic planning and tactical assessments.

1:06:29 Wow, okay, okay, so she has a personal website and she gives us a brief list on how to stay safe. Oh, that's nice. Did you have the details? I do excellent so number one to all the women out there oh, do not wear headphones when you're jogging or cycling, so you can hear what's around you. Women have to pay attention to that unfortunately, so many people women too, so many people just wear their earbuds these days, though, yep, yep, I mean. How are they going to break that habit, jesus? Number two. You know what you do.

1:07:11 Stop running running. No one's chasing you anyway, okay, number two don't park in a dark or dimly or dimly lit or secluded areas well, that's why they always say like, when you park in a parking lot, park under the the light, the light. So, and if you have, to try to find a security guard or other escort that you trust. Yeah for sure. Number three before entering the car, check your rear seats, yep. Once inside, lock all the doors immediately. Oh, number four always carry an attack alarm. A what? Attack alarm like a siren. Oh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha Okay. Rape whistle is another thing, Sure sure, sure. That women have used. Yeah, um number five never leave a drink unattended. No, I mean, that's just common sense, especially in this day and age apparently my husband was roofied once upon a time.

1:07:56 Really, yeah, he was getting a drink for him and a woman. This is before we met. They were on a business trip, um, a school trip or something in vegas right and something happened where he ended up with her drink oh so she was getting. She was getting somehow he ended up drinking her drink, and she drank his unbeknownst to anyone, of course, and he said that he woke up not knowing absolutely anything and with a bloody nose. Oh, and he almost missed his flight home. Oh shit, but he has no idea, wow, no idea what happened. That's wild, yeah, sad and scary, very scary. Number six Limit the personal details that you keep online in your social media accounts.

1:08:39 Which is hard. Also your bumper stickers people. No, we had talked about that, yes. But back to the social media thing. That's very hard for people because everybody, not everybody. A lot of people these days think they need to fucking put out everything Like to the goddamn fucking meal they're having. They need to take a picture. And Jackie mentioned specifically don't reveal when you're going on a trip. Your house is empty at that point. Well, exactly, and to what you just said about the bumper stickers, my kids and honor student at such and such high school, I know where your fucking kids go to high school, yep and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all these different fucking things and nobody cares about your stick figure. I love my husky. Ok, now they know that you've got a husky.

1:09:20 Yeah, you have a kid that goes to this school the stick figure family. Ok, now I know how many people are in your family. Yeah, exactly the stick figure family. Okay, now I know how many people are in your family. Yeah, exactly In this house. So you have the they always have the mom and the dad one, yep. And then there's two kids and a cat or a dog, whatever it's like, okay, so now I know what's in the house, yep, so you can start formulating all this shit and be like and that's terrible. But the sad thing is it's meant so innocently, but there's people out there that are like I know a lot more than you think I do, yep, and I could easily do harm to your family now, yep, because there's some sick fucking people out there, yep, and it's just sad that we even have to fucking say this.

1:10:00 But be safe out there, people. Mm-hmm Plus bumper stickers are dumb. So number seven. Yeah. If meeting an online contact for the first time go somewhere public and crowded and text a friend an accountability buddy. No, that's a pretty common thing these days is to do the public thing, don't go. Someone's like, hey, you want to come over for the first meet and greet. It's like, yeah, no. Number eight when a hotel check the fire exits. So you know a way out if there's danger right. Number nine wedge a coat hanger under the hotel room door so that no one can force it open. I don't know how this would work I mean if it's a wooden one sure, I guess maybe, but I feel like there's other things that might be better than that.

1:10:48 Yeah, but I guess, I don't know, I'm not. I'm not an expert like Jackie. So yeah, she also says hey, um, hang the. Uh, do not disturb. Sign on the outside of the door and leave the TV on when you have to leave your room so that people think there's someone in there. I usually do that anyways, yep. Number 10 and last when traveling, do not throw away used luggage tags in the trash. There's a barcode or a QR code on there which contains your personal data and can be retrieved. That's very true, yeah, I usually throw that away at home. Yeah, I don't throw it away anywhere public. Yeah, so I also don't travel on airplanes a lot, yeah. You also don't travel on airplanes a lot.

1:11:30 Yeah, you also don't travel, so today, thanks for that low blow, jesus christ today, she only accepts clients facing real and imminent danger of their life or well-being. Um, and this, she says, distinguishes her from services that are those from people who are seeking, like the more prestige, sure side of things. Yeah, um. So one last thing okay as of august 2019 okay women in saudi arabia are now allowed to carry a passport really and travel without approval from her husband or a male relative progression. Look at how progressive this world is so that is the story of jackie davis and the uk's first female bodyguard like I said, I got a lot of this information, most of this information from her book.

1:12:18 It's called the circuit. The world's top female bodyguard reveals the truth about her career in covert operations okay and I also got um an article or um. I also got a lot of information from her personal website, jackiedaviscom so what was the movie again? it's called close. How do you say that? repace, repace, that's it um. It's on netflix from 2019 and it's called close close, okay. So if anyone wants to uh watch that, that get a little again liberties are taken. That's, yeah how it is with movies. It's hollywood, but uh, I don't know, might be interesting, so I I'd watch that. We should watch that one of these days because obviously the details, or details, has a link to one of our episodes, so that'd be kind of cool.

1:13:05 Yeah, yeah, that was interesting so how was your gin and tonic? it was delicious, I have just a touch left. I actually managed to drink a little bit more during this time I tried to talk so you could oh, I appreciate that you're welcome. Yeah, I need another one, so um, so whelp I suppose all right, buff. That's it for today's episode. Buckle up, because we've got another historical adventure waiting for you. Next time Feeling hungry for more buffoonery, or maybe you have a burning question or a wild historical theory for us to explore. Hit us up on social media. We're History Buffoons Podcast on YouTube X, instagram and Facebook.

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