Slabalanche: Dyatlov Pass Incident Part 3

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0:56 Three Plus Maybe. Question mark we don't know, we'll see how far this goes. So we are doing now. Our last two episodes were the Dyatlov Dyatlov, however you want to say it, Past incident. The story and the facts. The facts and whatnot, and now we're going to get into the weird wild theories that people have come up with as to why they all died. Yes, right, yes, got that right. Mm-hmm, they all died. Yes, right, yes, got that right. So if you have not listened to the first two episodes, what were they called textbook? wow, we almost said that all in unison. That was pretty good and tale of the nine year ease yes, that, and thank you for that title that was from you.

1:40 You're so welcome. Yes, uh so if you have not um listened to the first two episodes, go back and listen, because there's a lot of information. I know, being a person who didn't know much about this story, I certainly learned a lot. Yeah. And have a lot of questions as to what the fuck happened, of course. But yeah, a lot of information, a lot of shit, a lot of speculation, but we'll get into that now More in deep with that now and our friend Audra is back again. We don't need to sing Shady again. We did that on the last episode. We did. Well, now I'm going to. Oops, I just touched the camera with my foot. Could you not do that?

2:22 I'd appreciate that. Okay, so quick recap. Yeah, we're in 1959. Sure are. Nine experienced hikers from the Ural Polytechnic Institute went through the Ural Mountains, yep, and they did not turn up where they were supposed to. And it turns out they were found all dead, some by hyperthermia, some by unknown circumstances. Yes and uh, we're gonna kind of get into the theories of what the heck happened so I know you know a lot of the theories. Um, obviously you've researched a lot of the theories. I don't know pretty much any of the theories except for one, which is every theory for everything.

3:04 But, um, is there like more popular theories that you have that you're going to go through, or are you just going to kind of because you said there's like 72 of them? Yeah, we're going to go through like eight of them. Yes, right so are these like the eight most popular theories so so at least four of them are popular. Two of them are super out there, but we're going to talk about all of them because they're all interesting. Well, they better be. Why would we talk about? them. I do have a question for you both first, okay, and I also have an answer, if you want to know my opinion. She does have an answer, I do. But so's yeah, because you are fairly new to this case, what facts about the case kind of have stood out for you as like being interesting to you?

3:55 Well, I mean, same question for you, so you think about it. I'm on the spot, you get time. Thank you. You're welcome. Guys are just so polite to me. I don't the spot you get time. Thank you, you're welcome. You guys are just so polite to me. I don't know why. I don't know why. I think one of the biggest things is the tent being supposedly cut from the inside, obviously because they were in a hurry to get out. Avalanches will do that to you, I don't know. Inches will do that to you, but um, uh, I don't know. It's just the fact that they were so often where they were supposed to be as well is kind of interesting because of that like they weren't near their tent they weren't near their tent. They weren't even their tent wasn't where it was really supposed to be yeah and in the beginning they uh altered their shit quite a bit.

4:41 I guess is what I'm saying yeah um, so those kind of stand out to me just because, like, if they're so experienced, why was that such a I don't know a thing for them? Yeah, but then, of course, why were they so far and so on? And why did some people have socks on and some people didn't? I mean because you're curious, because like, obviously they had to leave in a hurry, and just the why. Why, I guess. So? yeah, I don't know the inside, the cutting from inside the tent is the big one, yeah, so what about you? thank you so much for this question without going into theories, yeah, so not to go into theories, but I I think what really grabbed my attention about this when I first heard about it was one the astronomical number of fucking theories.

5:35 Yeah, that's insane. 72 is a lot. Yeah. Two, the background that everyone brought to the table I find super interesting because, as I said earlier, I nerd out on these fucking theories like all 72 of them, so I'll spare you guys, but um you did mention you possibly might bring up four other ones. I might. So yeah, and that's fine, we encourage it. I just for a disclosure. I showed Audra all the theories that I had because she knows the story really well, but Bradley doesn't know what the theories are. I know the one because it's everyone's theory. It's the same as the pyramid, Anyway.

6:19 So let's continue. Sorry to interrupt. I think the background of all nine of them is important all 10 of them, really but, um, the other part that like really grabs my attention, like keeps me coming back to learn more and more about it and consume more information, is really just the injuries to the bodies. Yeah, um, it's so like variable um between them, like what the injuries were, that it's almost like they all could have lived a different fucking theory. Yeah yeah, like all of them could have died a different, different way, just based on such variation in the injuries.

7:05 Right, that's what draws me back is the injuries to the bodies. Yeah, yeah, oh sure. And their clothing. Some of them were burnt. Some of them were not. Some of them were just randomly ripped with little cuffs here and there. It's just kind of odd. Well, that one that had the whole left or right sleeve or side or whatever ripped off that was the one that accidentally became a vest. Yes, that's right. Yes, correct yeah, all of a sudden it's a little little uh too warm here. I need a vest. All of a sudden not so much so okay, so let's go ahead and get into the theories theory one so I'm gonna first talk about frame number 34 okay is this the sasquatch one?

7:50 no, or the yeti? okay, so this is um so frame number 34 has like a bunch of bunch of like light blurbs. Yeah in it, blurbs, blurs, blurbs, blurb is on the back of a book sure, yep, yes so um frame, number 34, comes from krivonishenko's camera, and this one was left inside the tent right um, but it was left with the shutter cocked as in it was ready to take a photo. So this is 1959. Right? So when a camera shutter is cocked, it means that the camera is primed and ready to go.

8:33 Yeah, older films need you to manually wind the film after every shot. Yep, and the winding did two things. It advanced the film to the next frame. Right, the winding did two things it advanced the film to the next frame Right and it cocked the shutter, basically spring-loading the mechanism so it could open and close, aka taking the picture. Yeah, okay, it's unusual because experienced photographers did not do this because it could waste film. Okay, so it was suggested that he might have been wanting to capture something quickly. Right. So his was the only camera in the tent found, like this Surprised he didn't find Igor's camera with a bunch of feet pictures.

9:16 No. Can you imagine that dark room? Just like feet? Jesus. Igor was ahead of his time. People sell pictures of their feet these days millions in there. It's weird so one theory is that kravana shenko was acting as like a lookout or a decoy, ready to snap a photo of whatever might be happening or anticipating something. Um, so it suggests that some of the members of the group were expecting to see something happen on that slope. So Krivonishenko's frame, number 34, it's a blurred, grainy image, mostly dark. A vague, bright, streaking shape or blurry light is kind of in the center-right portion, center-right portion, center-right.

10:04 It was possibly taken at night or in low light. Um, there is no clear subject. It's pretty abstract, ambiguous kind of creepy. A van gogh painting a little bit or something weird like that only black and white. Yeah, exactly so um, the numbers on film rolls aren't exactly linear or like one after the other, so sometimes when you wind the film or reload improperly, the numbering can skip, repeat or have double exposure sure um multiple cameras that were found at least four of them and their roles weren't always clearly categorized um during the investigation.

10:50 So frame number 34 might be kind of the grand finale, or it might have been the camera's version of like a butt dial, yeah, and it could have happened in the middle of the the frames or it could have been the very first one yeah, exactly right so what's weird? I did not go into additional research on this, but um, the dietlovepasscom calls it the last frame and they talk about it um being part of a theory which I'll get to. But also they label this picture as quote this is a technological shot made in the photo lab before the film was taken out of the camera end quote. What does that mean?

11:32 it means, while the shutter was cocked, someone in the photo lab that was that was going through all the um accidentally took the picture accidentally took the picture, gotcha. So on the website, I think I mentioned it to you last time that the website kind of has some opposing yeah theories on the same topic, conflicting stuff. Yeah, right, so this photo is one of them. Yeah, so on one page it'll say this is from kravana shanko. He took it on the slope, and then when you pull the picture up, the title of the photo says it was taken by a lab technician. Yeah, oh, yeah. So okay, weird. So it might not be literally anything.

12:13 It could be the inside of a lab yes like with weird lighting, could be interesting okay, theory number one oh, okay, yeah, aliens see you knew it was coming that's why I brought up frame number 34 because, is it? aliens, or is it a lab technician? or is the lab technician an alien? I mean, oh siri 1.5 or theory number 74 73 so I find the whole alien theory just fucking stupid for everything, because it's just such an easy cop out like where did the people from Roanoke go, aliens?

12:59 no, they fucking didn't that's a theory, though which is so dumb that's not where they went no, not at all. It's not like hey man, we need some people to butt probe, I know that hurts. That hurts me leave roanoke alone. But that's that's my point. It's so stupid. Yeah, it's like no, let's just all jump to fucking aliens. Like man, I lost my phone. Aliens took it. Yeah, hands down, it had to be. Yeah. There's no other explanation, absolutely other than I just forgot where I put it. Yeah, because that can't happen. So the reason why this has a little bit of clout to some people it has no clout at all to some people well, they're idiots oh, there were reported sightings of balls of light in the northern urals they're called stars throughout february 1959.

13:51 Okay, okay, hold on. Multiple witnesses, including members of the official search team, later described seeing a bright fireball moving in the night sky around the time that the hikers died. One searcher recalled a sphere similar to a moon, but much larger, floating and then moving away. It's called the sun the idea that the hiker saw something like a glowing orb descending upon them, perhaps even hovering near them, could have let made them flee the in terror. How would they have seen it if they're in the tent and didn't have windows? You know, it was so bright, so bright. Somebody's got a spotlight on us.

14:33 I can argue anything so. Okay, so here are some of the witnesses we have. Lev Ivanov he is the lead investigator. Yeah, in 1990 he publicly claimed that sightings of bright flying spheres were reported in the region at the time. Why did it take him 31 years to say that? I don't know if it was 31 years or if we just documented it 31 years later. Seems like. He did originally omit this from his 1959 report, see. He later believed that this could be linked to the hikers' deaths.

15:14 Okay, let me ask the question then how did he think that would be linked to their death then? Or is he just saying that to seem cool? Because there has to be a reason why he thinks that, then right. Well, we don't know what aliens are capable of. That's not what I asked. What does he think that was a part of it for? I don't know, that wasn't part of my research. I'm just saying he was a. Do you understand what I'm asking? Yeah, because I feel, like man, the sun was at this certain degree today. It must, like man, the sun was at this certain degree today, must be a part of something. I mean just we could say anything like that, so like what was his rationale? That it could have been part of their death. He thought that um the oars might have been military weapons, but he also thought maybe it could be something more paranormal okay are aliens paranormal I mean, look at how long it took the US government to be like, hey, aliens.

16:10 Yeah. They're out there. Well, so here's the thing with me and aliens. I believe there's something else out there. I don't know if it's little green men, like we always portray them as God. I hope so. That would be kind of cool with the big fucking like almond eyes and shit. Um, the my point is this the, the galaxies, and there's so many galaxies and it's the universe is vast, so vast that we can't comprehend it. There's no way that we're the only people in this existence, in my opinion, but just to be like blame everything on aliens.

16:50 Stupid. When you're saying stuff like that, it makes me think that, yes, there could be other people out there, but they're still alien to us. I'm not okay. You're looking into the term way too specific. I'm just saying something out there. Could have done this, but it's alien in nature. I understand what alien means. I'm not saying like little green men specifically, and they're all aliens. If another human came from another planet that looked exactly like us, they would be an alien. I understand that. That's not what I'm saying. I just really hope they're little green men. Honestly, I kind of like gray, like Paul. Okay let me move on to other witnesses.

17:31 Like a long time ago. It's good you should re-watch it. I love Simon Pegg and Nick Frost, though they're pretty great Seth Rogen. It's a great movie. It is, I enjoy it. Jason Bateman. Okay movie it is. I enjoy it, jason bateman okay so sigourney weaver, okay, not mike myers additional witnesses. So let's get through this alien bullshit so we can move on to something else that bradley might think what is happening yeah, because this is students and teachers in ivedell, a group of school children and teachers from a nearby village reportedly seen glowing lights in the sky on the night of February 1st and 2nd in 1959. Same night as when the hikers died yeah, and described them as orange spheres or fireballs flying across the sky Could there have been meteors.

18:16 They were slow moving and eerily quiet. Oh then, probably not. You wouldn't hear meteors on Earth if they're in space. Well, you do have a point there, but it's not going to be slow moving. No, that's true. We also have the Manse tribespeople. Those indigenous to the area reported seeing strange lights in the sky around that time, though specifics are fairly vague from them. They have described them as glowing orbs or bright streaks. Um, and they were often. The mansi. Stories were often dismissed at the time due to, like soviet prejudice against the indigenous peoples next we have allegedly soviet military pilots.

19:02 Yeah, immediately sketchy, there were unconfirmed reports that Soviet pilots flying over their urals during late January early February spotted aerial lights or flares. These reports were never officially acknowledged, but some researchers claim to have seen declassified or secondhand testimony about it. Okay. Next we have um gregory at maniky. He is a search party member okay he recalled that rumors of light sightings were circulating even amongst the searchers early on. Some investigators and volunteers throughout the case might have involved more than just a hiking incident, based on these local accounts Gotcha.

19:51 So some who favor this theory speculate that a UFO might have emitted a burst of energy or light that injured the hikers Because there were internal injuries. Maybe the aliens' propulsion systems messed them up. Maybe, they. I can feel heat coming from over here. The seething. Maybe their anal probes went a little too deep. It could be like right up into their heart and broke their ribs on just one side. Exactly Like it got off track and broke all rib 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. Okay, so one detail and 6. Yeah, Okay, so one detail. Jesus Christ. One detail is cited Some of the treetops Were burnt, including the cedar tree, the not any.

20:37 Were charred at the very top. Fire will do that. But from the ground? How could it not go all the way up? it was just the top what if an ember like floated off and landed on the tree? maybe so I mean I'm just giving theories here. This isn't my theory. I didn susceptible to more paranormal. I'm gonna say paranormal because it's not normal, so it's paranormal activity than others, right, yeah, so I mean, if there's all these sightings, maybe the urals in this area are like fucking area 51 for all we know.

21:26 Yeah, it could, could be or I mean, you know, the soviets did a lot of shady fucking shit and it could have been just like military experiments and or anything like that. That's part of the rebuttal I would also say, of the people that are reporting this right that have no plausible explanation. If you're one that favors a different theory, yeah, that's that I'm sure is coming up. Um, you know what's? what's the classic house fucking aliens yeah then you're off the hook like no one's really like see, and that's why I have a problem with alien theories. Yeah, because it's just, it's just like a cop-out, absolutely for like well, we don't have to explain it, we'll just call it aliens, and people will be like exactly, and whatever.

22:14 And that's why I just I get a little, I guess, annoyed I mean, and in this case, right like soviets have this terrible situation. That's unexplainable, they're gonna try whatever, yeah to not take ownership of that so it's like you know, blame it on the fucking aliens? yeah, because as far as we know they they did this on purpose to these people could be. I mean, that could be a theory so between jan, january and February of 1959, there were multiple test launches and engine firings occurring at Baikonur Cosmodrome. Cosmodrome. Baikonur is a place, so Baikonur to Dyatlov Pass, or the current Dyatlov Pass, is over 1,000 miles away.

23:02 That's quite a distance. But rocket stages can travel that far during separation or failure. Okay, so several unannounced launches happened in late january and early february, including stage tests of r7s and nuclear capable variants it's a lot of big scientific words um, and they suspected suborbital flights or failed missile drops. Okay. And that's like the rebuttal of no, it's not aliens, it's this Well, very well, it could have been, and they're not really going to report that shit. Also in 1959, there was no UFO alien fever.

23:44 There was nothing like that back then. So like when did when did aliens become the scapegoat? Though? like when ever historically roswell or like what year was that? Well, wasn't, didn't, wasn't that in the 40s? I don't know, I don't know, I don't know when they were doing all the testing. Sam will look it up. Yeah, I mean, I thought it was like 50s, maybe 60s at the very latest, but I guess I thought it was in the 40s, but I'm not, I don't know, I'm not sure if that's even right. Yeah, now I'm questioning everything, yeah. Well, how can you not?

24:26 Okay, okay, maybe aliens are making you question it. It could be they're having a outside should I could have been probed. And I don't even know should we be wearing tinfoil hats right now. I mean it's not a bad idea. I usually like to wear an armadillo shell, but it's from a movie anyways you can get leprosy from that, can you really? I think, yeah, I'm pretty, I'm pretty confident, armadillo shell from armadillos in general. I guess when I get home I'm throwing out my shell. Good idea, just saying All right, sam. Do you have something for us, so according to Google. People first thought the concept of extraterrestrial life actually began in ancient Greece.

25:09 Well, yeah, because I mean that's the theory, with the fucking pyramids too. And that's why I mentioned that earlier. When did. Roswell happen yeah. And then I need you to look up if armadillos give you leprosy, Because it came out really fast and I'm confident with that, but now I'm questioning it. Well, that's second guess I don't want to have you throw it at your shelf or nothing. Modern theory of aliens, particularly involving UFOs and potential extraterrestrial visitors gained significant traction in the United States, starting in the summer of 1947. Okay, that's the year I was thinking of. Actually it was 47.

25:49 Okay, roswell is in 1947. Okay, look at me go. She's going to look up armadillos and we're going to move on to Yeti attacks. Yeti. Mm-hmm. Do armadillos do what? Give you leprosy? Can you get leprosy from an armadillo? They can carry and transmit leprosy. Fuck yeah, look at you go, I'm not such random shit Throwing Michelle out. Because I think these random thoughts and I'm like I gotta fucking Google that this is how ADHD works, guys. Oh, trust me. And autism, just for the record. I'm aware. Okay, autism, just for the record, I'm I'm aware. Okay, I'm gonna push this along. Thank you, yes, yeti, okay, so, um, there's a yeti theory, for multiple reasons.

26:33 One they had they created their own evening newsletter the yetis did the hikers oh yeah extra, extra read all about it, yetis they had a satirical newsletter. Yeah, I remember that was brought up you have to admit that was confusing how she said that a little bit one of the lines in the newsletter said, quote from now on, we know that snowmen exist. End quote. Abominable well, I mean, I would say some shit like that if I was stuck in negative 5 000 degree weather too, so so some have said that some of the footprints that were seen around the area were too large to be human were they aliens, yeti, sorry, we've moved on.

27:25 Stay on that oh yeah stay on, stay on track okay, wait, so I have a. I have a question related to this about aliens so I have their newsletters. Like are those documented somewhere? yes, okay, so those are like evidence. Yes, you can see them on dietlovepasscom so these footprints that are really large. Yeah, if I'm an indigenous person living out there, I've probably acclimated to traveling in this weather, and I'm thinking snowshoes with bare feet below it, that's if the fancy people were around the campsite. True, didn't. I don't remember, was it in a war or something?

28:05 People actually, I think it was maybe even World War II or World War I, I don't recall but they would actually wear shoes that had hoof prints underneath. Oh wow, Smart so it would cover up their foot tracks, but it looked like just cows were roaming about and shit Smart. I think, it was in. I want to say two, but I guess I don't recall. I feel like I've heard something like that before there's an I Love Lucy and now is it an I Love Lucy, or maybe like one of those other black and white Black and white shows. I don't remember exactly what show, but they do it on a sitcom, a really old one, oh really. Or they wear those shoes, yeah.

28:46 Maybe it's andy griffith. That's what it does. That sounds more legit, yeah yeah, well, and it's still black and white, so that tracks, so that works okay, now let's talk about the photographic evidence this is the yeti picture yes I keep asking that, so now I can actually frame number 17. It's a picture of a dark humanoid figure lurking behind some trees at dusk I do have it's very grainy um, and of course yeti enthusiasts are like proof that is sasquatch right there see people need to like pump the fucking brakes because it's probably just the hikers in extra winter gear also like if I'm out there with eight close friends, right, we're gonna be joking about random shit.

29:35 Like was that a fucking yeti? Oh, I saw it I swear you know like, go stand behind that tree and let me make you look like a yeti because I mean that totally looks like a person, yeah, wearing a fucking hat and like a coat and shit and plus, if it's like snowing and blowing, right right, you could be covered in snow and look like a snowman or a yeti in two minutes flat and I mean he doesn't look like he's covered much in snow. But that's also probably because it's a shitty picture that as well, and the focus is clearly on the front of the picture, not the, the humanoid figure so many think that it might be yeti because of the potential like well, the, the missing parts, essentially the missing tongue, the eyes on of some of the victims, um, and then the strength required to crush ribs and skulls without any external cuts I feel like I could crush a rib without being a yeti.

30:40 Yeah, I think so I think you could too I'm a big guy, yeah, and I'm not a fucking yeti I'm not a big guy, but I feel like I could break a rib if I really had to too you know, yeah, so I feel like that's a weak argument. Are yetis the like? Uh, is that the same thing as a sasquatch? Basically yeti, bigfoot sasquatch a bumable version. Yeah, yeah, okay, I thought so, I thought that's what that was. I think it's like different terms for different regions of the world, um, but I mean if you're in your tent at dark and all of a sudden you hear like yeti groans can you tell me what that sounds like?

31:24 That sounds like a bear. It does. Maybe it was a bear. Wait, the bear fighter dropped out. Yeah, that was the Yuri number three, or is? there a Yuri there that fought the bear. Yeah, he's still there. That Yuri's still there. If it was a bear, they're fine, you can just fight him. If I can fight a bear, I can fight a fucking Yeti. They rip open the tent. Some of the hikers had boxing wounds on their hands, so maybe they were doing some hand-on-hand combat. I'd appreciate it if you stopped doing that, so they also could have been punching a tree for sport, I mean.

32:07 They could have. Yeah, we don't know they could have been punching it like give me some fucking wood. I'm freezing. Maybe some of them climbed a tree to get out of the way of the Yeti. Maybe that's how the tops of them burned. Maybe they climbed the tree to get away from each other because someone's losing their shit. Maybe away from each other because someone's losing their shit. Maybe, maybe somebody went on a rampage, we don't know, never know, yeah, someone went psychotic. Yes, okay, there's no other tangible evidence, no sightings by search teams, no gigantic footprints that wouldn't have been human. No fur, no like teeth marks, biting marks, nothing like that. Right, could it possibly be a yeti?

32:49 no, it's a pretty weak fucking theory but which one has more clout to you aliens or yeti? I feel like probably the yeti. Yeti, because people just want to believe it so much I know they do. I feel like aliens. Yeah, people want to. People just want to believe it so much I know they do. I feel like aliens, yeah people want to believe. People want to believe in aliens so much too. That's why it's always brought up, though now we know aliens are real. Humans have accepted that, yetis we're still having a hard time with I don't know. I don't know because there's. There's people out there like again, sasquatch, bigfoot, yeti, whatever you want to, whatever it's because there's people out there like again, sasquatch, bigfoot, yeti, whatever it's called. There are people that absolutely believe they're real, oh yeah, and everything has proven them wrong, but yet they still believe.

33:33 It's good to believe in something, I guess. It's like flat Earth. Oh my God, Don't get me started on fucking flat Earthers. We're going to move on, because he's getting heated. Okay, the next theory is a KGB ambush. Uh-oh, an espionage theory. What was that? It sounded like someone's Siri. Can you pause for a second? Okay, and we're back. Okay, kgb ambush, which is the espionage theory.

34:17 KGB ambush. Yes, it was an inside job. So wait, one of the nine worked for the KGB. Mm-hmm, yeah, which one Did you mention that? One is a communist. Yeah, she was like came out of the womb, yeah that was as a communist she was like came out of the womb. Yeah, that was as a communist you said right ludmina ludmina, ludmia dubinina. So there's an author alexi rack rackettin rackettin and he proposed that two or more members of the group were actually kgb agents working on a top secret mission so where did he get that thought from? Let me continue to read all right, I will stop talking shut the fuck up my bad so the mission was to infiltrate a supposed cia operation in the area and, of course, according to Rakitin, igor Dyatlov's team included moles, and he points specifically at Semyon Zolotaryov, the 37-year-old.

35:21 Yes. Because he joined. One of the reasons was because he joined last minute and it was just kind of weird and Alexander Kolevatov or Yuri Krivonischenko, he's like, could be that one could be that one. Those were the two that went outside, correct? Oh yeah, which were the two that? went outside. I don't remember which one they were. I think Krivonishenko was one that went outside supposedly to pee. Maybe they went out to do some other shenanigans that they didn't want to know, back in the 59, which was nuts highly. Don't ask, don't tell so he thinks that these undercover agents were test was delivering fake radioactive samples and that's why a part of them were radioactive or their clothes were or whatever, but didn't.

36:08 That wasn't it because they worked at the fucking nuclear plant. Mm-hmm, they were all fucking nuclear engineers yeah. So in this scenario something went very wrong. Obviously, you don't say, perhaps the CIA operatives discovered the ruse or an argument ensued, and then it turned violent. And then it turned violent. The theory claims that American spies murdered the entire group, eliminating the KGB agents and bystanders. Way to blame the fucking Americans, ruskies, jesus Christ. To cover their tracks. The assailants forced the hikers at gunpoint to stage the bizarre scene.

36:48 Okay sorry, I was told to stop talking, so go on um yuri yudin, the, the surviving diet love member, later said he believed his friends quote saw something they shouldn't have seen. End quote like aliens and were forced at gunpoint to fake a confusing scenario what if yetis are aliens? fuck never seen them both in the same place, have you? exactly 100. That'd be a big spaceship yeah, okay, supporting evidence radioactive clothing. Yes, you know, if some of the hikers carried radioactive samples, it could have explained why their garments were contaminated.

37:33 So, uh, ludmilla dubonina, her sweater and her pants were radioactive. And alexander kalevatov, his sweater fragments um were radioactive. And remember dubonina was wearing I think it was Krivonishenko's clothes. Yeah. So I'm just curious here. Those three that we're talking about was their background not in nuclear shit to begin with. Could they not have had the radiation on the clothing already? Yes, so I will get to that here. Yes, on the clothing yes, already, so I will get to that here.

38:18 Yes, so, um, the radioactive materials were described as exceeding normal background radiation levels. Okay, so, uh, measurements around 9,900 disintegrations per minute, or dpms, were higher than typical clothing, but not dangerously radioactive. Okay, okay. So both dubonina andalevatov worked or studied in environments connected to radioactive materials. So Kalevatov was a former lab worker at Moscow's Nuclear Institute and Dubonina participated in UPI's projects involving industrial materials. So their clothing may have been previously exposed to trace radioactive elements, so the rest of the group wouldn't have been in on it and therefore wouldn't have had the traces.

39:05 And additionally, the camera belonging to Kalevatov was allegedly missing from recovered items in this particular theory. So they're thinking that there was something on the camera that. And it was seized by the KGB. Well, the KGB is just a little sketchy and all of it right. Which is why they're a good scapegoat, yeah of course so are aliens. Yeah, maybe the KGB are aliens. Maybe we're fucking uncovering some shit here, good lord. Okay, right, so these aren't with the exception of one.

39:47 They all know each other's background. They all know each other well. They've hiked together before they've done this climb, you know for however many days to get to this point. Right, yeah, it's not like they were just carrying something radioactive that became too radioactive that it finally got them. You know, right. Um, so that's a weird like not gonna happen. No, not so much. I don't think that's reality, not reality at all. You know, it's just interesting that they all have backgrounds in this. I feel like the only plausible argument I could make in this theory is that someone went outside to pee, someone else went outside maybe not together caught him doing something weird.

40:42 If he did have plants, you know radioactive things yeah and then a fight ensued. Sure, okay, but like just to devil's advocate, like yeah, could see that maybe happening, right, right, but that's the only thing I really see here so zolotaryov? um, he was much older, a war veteran, he had military connections and he he was the one that basically raised the question of could this possibly be a kgb thing? Because he was such one that basically raised the question of could this possibly be a KGB thing? Because he was such a last minute addition. There was also the overall secrecy of the investigation, the hurried closing of the case, inconsistencies in the documents, the diaries and the photos, and people all thought that this was like a big cover up.

41:34 So even Dyatlov's own sister said her family was sure the military was somehow involved. Some investigators and journalists in Russia have floated some similar ideas. Some shadowy authority was the one that covered this all up. Even one theory was about drunken prison escapees. Oh, jesus Christ, yeah. Excuse me what. Yeah, was there a prison nearby? There was. First of all, if I get out of fucking KGB ass, fucking prison in 1959, I am not going up the mountain, Fuck no.

42:19 Fuck, no, no, there's no fucking way. No, no, no, you're, you're. You're going complete opposite way, correct? You're getting the hell, the fuck, out of there. So there's no footprints? No, evidence that other people were around the site um just yetis no bullet wounds, no stab wounds, no traditional hand-to-hand combat wounds yeah, and if it was prison people it'd be shanks yeah, yeah, yeah got my toothbrush in. Filed down this plastic spork. There is a simple explanation for the radioactivity. So Kalevatov previously worked at a nuclear facility.

43:02 Yes. And Krivonishenko, who had Dubomir's clothes. She was wearing his clothes. He had been employed at a plutonium production plant. Plutonium. We need that to get up to 88 miles per hour the aliens need that honestly oh yeah that, that. That helps with butt probing um, so they don't resource. So um, krivonishenko actually worked at Chelyabinsk 40. That's not true. It is a top secret Soviet nuclear facility in the southern Urals, okay, and it was a site of plutonium production for nuclear weapons.

43:48 Right. And it was the site for one of the worst nuclear disasters in history before chernobyl I think it was after. Was it before or after? When was chernobyl like? 87 yeah, this is, yeah, this is so the um, so it's called the um. Kishtim disaster of 1957 so you had mentioned there was a nuclear something or other. Yes, so this was covered up until the 1980s. This disaster, it happened September 29th 1957. So only like a year and three months before the Dyatlov incident. It was at a nuclear fuel reprocessing plant near a secret town.

44:33 Secret town wow. Of this city. They called it Chelyabinsk 40. Okay, in the southern Urals, yeah, it had a level six on the international nuclear event scale. In comparison, chernobyl was an event, excuse me, a level seven so pretty fucking bad. Yeah, yeah, wow, okay so a cooling system failed on a tank storing liquid radioactive waste. Okay, the waste overheated and exploded with a force of 70 to 100 tons of tnt oh, that's a big explosion it blew off the 160 ton concrete lid off the storage tank, jesus christ, and really released 20 million curies of radioactivity more than a hiroshima bomb.

45:24 Wow. So the radioactive cloud spread over 20 000 square square miles. It affected about 200,000 plus people. Locals were not told what had happened, of course not Thousands were quietly relocated. Others were sick or they died from exposure. The area is now known as East Ural Radioactive Trace. They even named it after that's great. So is it still radioactive to this day, as far as you know? I don't know, I didn't look that up. I know like is it because chernobyl, chernobyl. I think it's still closed yeah there's like obviously new life there.

46:09 There have been like non-radioactive animals that have been found in that area. So and they do allow rating. Yeah, they do allow people to go on this site, but there's like checks and balances that you have to go through to get there didn't they also like? I saw something once and I could be probably getting a lot of this wrong, but they almost like enclosed it in yeah whatever something like yeah, yeah I don't remember exact details so fun fact about chernobyl kind of like don't spiral on this, but I've already spiraled on it. It was aliens, it could have been, it could be, could be uh yeti but um, there is someone with the same surname Dyatlov.

46:52 Really. That was directly responsible for Chernobyl. Really, they are not related. Sure, that's where I spiraled from and I'm like are these fucking people related? Because that's wild. There's something going on here, man. I guess Dyatlov in this area, that period of time is just as common as the name Yuri. Yeah, well, there's so many fucking areas yeah um. Have you guys seen the show chernobyl? I did not watch. It created like a miniseries it's really, really good. I remember when that came out. I did not watch it, though so okay, so um, the town technically does not exist on maps well, not if it's a secret town exactly. The ussr never publicly acknowledged the disaster until 1976, because there was a whistleblower that exposed it and gregory um kravonishenko worked at this place, possibly during or just after the cleanup okay okay, um, he and the others of the diatlov group may have had residual radioactivity from this particular disaster.

47:58 Okay, fair enough. Yeah, okay, third theory. Oh geez, we're only on three, huh. Mm-hmm. Holy balls. Can you imagine doing 73? No, because we're not soviet weapons testing I mean that, yeah, that kind of goes along with the whole military thing we were bringing up before, so so were they shooting yetis out of their planes? dropping them randomly to see like their movements? yeah, do their knees hold up from 5 000 feet, so when do they go from a? Yeti to a sasquatch like what's the degree variation let's radiate these yetis and see what happens okay, so radioactive yetis, fuck, yeah, we need to make a comic book or something like that.

48:48 I'm trying to move this along, okay, so it doesn't get to be five hours long it's all right that long. We're already close to an hour I know okay, so there'll be some cut out, but anyways the late 1950s um there was a lot of military experimentation in the ussr um rockets and parachute mines and, according to this theory, the diet love groups route happened to place them in the wrong place at the wrong time okay so there was perhaps a parachute mine exercise being conducted by the soviet army. Parachute mines are explosive device devices dropped from aircraft which detonate above ground, and they produce a shock wave that can flatten structures and humans.

49:32 And break ribs. Without leaving obvious blast caters, because it's happening in the air Right. Well, that could explain the burnt treetops Could. It very well could. It could. A lot better than aliens. A lot better than that. I'm just saying. Much more probable. Yes, well, because if they detonate above ground, yeah. Treetops, exactly, yes, well, because if they detonate above ground, yeah treetops. Exactly weird, and this could also equate with the glowing orange orbs yeah weird. So these could have been soviet aircraft or descending parachute flares or mines. Um, being mistaken for a potential ufo, hikers asleep in their tents are rocked awake by loud explosions.

50:15 Shockwaves hit the tent, maybe partially collapsing the tent, scaring the hikers. They have to cut their way out. Um, and and then they find out okay, that wasn't that bad. And then they I don't know why they'd have to go down the mountain. But and then they, I don't know why they'd have to go down the mountain, but so I don't really understand how radioactive material works here. Just to back this up, a skoach If a shockwave is dropped and there are radioactive remnants about, do they explode? What happens with radioactive elements? I don't think so, but I have no idea. That's a great.

50:55 A great was this part of the research I'm gonna go with no, get the google machine out, yeah to the google machine yeah, this was um. I forgot my scientific hat today, so it's fair, yeah this is just where I spiral so and I'm a sketchy bitch like. I want an explanation no, I, I don't blame you, because it's really quite sketchy. I mean because I could see right, like if something is dropped, it explodes. Right, there's potential tree fire, whatever. Yeah. Maybe that explains the confusion, the hysteria, the what the fuck? We got to get out of here shit. The internal trauma without any external trauma yeah right, no it, that's the most believable one so far honestly, because aliens?

51:42 Okay, yet he's. That's ridiculous. But yet the things that they've reported, with the treetops and the internal injuries. That's so far. This is the most believable theory yeah honestly, but anyways sam a shock wave alone cannot cause radioactive material to explode, but a shock wave can damage and disperse radioactive radioactive materials okay, so I mean, that's maybe why there's some about. But we don't even know, again theorizing. Yeah. We don't know that it was maybe even radioactive material. It could have been other shit they were testing, right yeah, cold War, mm-hmm Testing random stuff Like are you talking, cross-contamination Could be?

52:31 Yeah right. It could be a new thing we've never even heard of because it didn't work, you know right? no, that's true um. So the subsequent soviet cover-up could also make some sense, because the area, the mountain pass, was closed for three years after, after this incident was it really. No one was allowed up there how come? We don't know. It's a cover-up. Ask russia, I know was it covered up with snow. Sorry, anyways, that was poor okay, so apart from blowing, apart from the radioactivity, there's fireballs in this, potential fireballs in the sky um.

53:18 The lead soviet investigator said that there were bright burning spheres seen from um the locals around february 1st yeah um. Additionally, there was another hiking group about 50 kilometers away who also reported strange lights in the sky to the north. Are they alive? Yes, so they. So the whole trek up to the part where they started putting on their skis. So, like all the, the train and the, the truck, yep, um, they were actually with another group. Okay, they went one way. Diet love went the other oh, interesting, maybe it was the other group they killed them they got radioactive yeah, and then they went just crazy and killed the diet love group did we talk about?

54:07 zombies, like maybe the other group was just hungry, right? none of them were eaten their tongue was tongue eyes were they. They tasted and decided they didn't like it too radioactive for me. Let's go no so weapons test theory also explains why investigators might have been a little bit more pressure to wrap up the case quickly. Yeah, yeah, a little bit of paranoia, perhaps, right, maybe the rescue team knew more than they let on? Of course they did. Yeah, yes, exactly Of course they did so, unfortunately. Well, the one fucking guy didn't even like report, like something. He didn't even document it.

54:48 There was a couple of those situations, so it's like well, I mean, I'm supposed to believe these fucking idiots no, they would have a vested interest in covering any of this shit up, like I said so so there's no physical evidence of such tests being seen. There's no fragments of bombs, shrapnel or impact uh craters um. An aerial burst would not have left a crater, but you could also expect a little bit of scattered debris or burns yes um, none were noted in the autopsies or reports. um, some of the hikers did have some like orange tint to their skin and some gray hair, but that could be to natural mummification in the cold gotcha, okay.

55:35 Um, the radioactivity on the clothes um was more localized as opposed to like the entirety of the clothing, right. Um, a nuclear blast or a radiological weapon would have blanketed everyone in material. Oh sure, yeah, so also there were no other footprints, so we kind of keep going back to that. Yeah, I mean it really is hard to say other people were there when there's no other footprints. Yeah, that we know of. But it could be a combination of things right on their footprints. Yeah, that we know of, but it could be a combination of things right.

56:16 Because, again, how do you find footprints if there's an avalanche and blowing snow? drifting snow and all that. Yeah, it's really quite hard to do that actually. Yeah so in april 1959, experts forensics conducted tests and detected the radioactivity contamination on the clothing from Ludmila Dubonina and Alexander Kolevatov. And it wasn't just the trace amounts, it was significantly above normal background levels. And then, just a few weeks later, the case was closed abruptly. Weird. And those are the two suspected kgb people, or whatever you which was which was the one that was birth a communist ludmila ludmila dubinina okay, so kgb espionage or secret testing, secret weapons testing?

57:10 aliens not a part of this oh um kgb espionage see, I think the weapons yeah I feel like weapons is probably more probable between the two. Yes, just because of the factor that it's the cold war, well, it's the cold war. Like I said, the space race is kind of heating up here and everything. Yeah, I would 100% go with the weapons testing. Yeah, because it's Cold War alone, yeah. Okay, so the Yeti, the aliens, those were the supernatural theories. The stupid natural theories. The KGB espionage and the Soviet weapons testing were more human nature theories.

57:54 Now we're going to get into the natural theories, woohoo, and at this point I think we should take a little break. Okay, we can do that, because I got a pee. I gots to pee. Welcome back. Guess who's. Oh sorry, my bladder has been emptied huzzah, yeah I'm definitely leaving that in okay, so now I'm ready, we're now into. We're now into the natural theories yes, natural. And one is the katabatic winds.

58:37 What are katabatic winds? It is an unusual wind phenomenon, basically an air avalanche. Okay Okay, katabatic is a fancy term for a gravity powered downslope wind how do those occur? Cold, dense air can suddenly roar down a mountain, a mountain, a mountain, a mountain, like an invisible freight train gaining high speed as it goes down and that's just fueled by cold. You said yes, so it's it would be like mother nature opening up a giant freezer door and like all that cold air just kind of rushes out at you does mother nature have a freezer?

59:24 yes, I said it's like mother nature. Yes, it's called siberia, yeah so such winds have been known to reach near hurricane force winds. Wow, Okay. And for the Dyatlov group, the idea is that late February 1st 1959, a catabatic blast slammed into their camp without warning. Would that be significant enough to internally damage their bodies then? well, let's find out, because I don't remember we looked at that I feel like right and it was like a 70 ish, it was close it wasn't like 67 miles per hour.

1:00:07 Yeah, I think we came up with was like we're like fuck, that's highway speeds. When did we do? that in one of the last two episodes. About what? What did we talk about? We were talking about how windy it was internal injuries. I'm caught up wow, like she wasn't here for it okay, it's fine physically, so catabatic winds. I'm just going to keep reading. I would appreciate that. Catabatic winds. I'm just gonna keep reading. I would appreciate that katabatic winds are infamous in polar regions and high mountains. Okay, in 1978, a similar sudden wind in anaris, sweden, killed eight hikers, which gives this theory some clout.

1:00:51 I think Some plausibility. For the Dyatlov crew. A violent wind could have terrified them into immediate action, explaining why they would have sliced their way out of the tent. Right. They would have run for cover from falling trees that are not nearby. See, they were on the Bald Mountain part they were on the Bald Mountain, sure were, sure were and mountain part they were on the bald mountain but sure where, sure where. And again, these aren't like inexperienced people on their first hike like. I mean they're literally going for their category three, not like, wouldn't you think, just stay in the tent. It's some kind of cover, right. Well, at that point, yeah and some, some researchers thought that maybe the hikers might have anchored the tent with snow because, remember, half of the tent was covered with snow.

1:01:38 They had to dig in. So you know, yeah, so, but do you remember that there were the skis that were holding up part of the tent or whatever? Those were still completely upright. Yeah, that were holding up part of the tent or whatever. Those were still completely upright. Yeah, so katabatic winds could also tie into the injuries and kind of around about me. So that's what I was asking yeah, one, uh. One version is that, after evacuating the tent, the group split up and attempted to regroup later. Um, some huddled in the tree line lighting a fire, others dug the the den a snow den essentially and if that snow cave later collapsed, it could produce crushing injuries sure so essentially the wind drove them to shelter in riskier places and indirectly caused the trauma.

1:02:28 But but they were not even found in the snow den, they were found a little bit away from it yeah, they were so that kind of in my brain yeah, doesn't really go together well, yeah, right, I mean, yeah, I I'm sure. No, it's fair, I'm sure there's other things that could cause the that particular outcome, but just looking at it from my perspective, it's just like well, if that happened, why weren't they in it then? yeah so I mean, it could have been a worsening situation right, it could have been like a strong wind, yeah, and they're like shit. We better move before it gets worse. And then it got worse.

1:03:09 You know that's true, but it would explain too right, like we talked about the fact that down by the ravine, yeah, someone appeared to have fallen from the tree into the fire right right a strong wind would probably explain someone blowing out of a tree yeah, and into a fire, yeah, yeah, no, that's true but what it doesn't explain is how it ripped out a tongue or or several or several eyes broke a hyoid or the radioactivity or, or that all wind has radioactivity. Geez, you can't believe, you didn't know that in soviet russia exactly catabetic winds are also fairly rare in the urals.

1:03:57 They're more common in places like antarctica. All right, I'm gonna just credit this theory right away. I'm not not a fan of this one I feel like it. So, if you want to nerd out, there are some like interesting photos of wind patterns that have developed in the snow Sure. So I feel like it's plausible, but only to an extent. Yeah, not to give away my theory, but I feel like it's a combination of some of these things, right, like the wind probably could be at play here sure it's snowing and blowing very possible, um, but it doesn't explain the injuries and that's why I keep going back to the injuries, right?

1:04:48 no for sure. Like a strong wind, 70 mile an hour, hits you out of nowhere, funneling down between mountains. Maybe could break some ribs. Maybe, Does not break a hyoid. No, not at all Does not rip out eyes and tongues. But you know what does Yetis Aliens? Okay, alien, yetis, anyways. Next natural theory. So this is number six wait, can we elaborate on winds? Just a little bit yes so I've read some interesting stuff that the winds happened and the sound from the wind essentially drove them mad so that's actually part of my next theory all right, oh all right, no, that's okay it's um, so it's called infrasound induced panic.

1:05:38 Yes, infrasound induced panic. Yeah, so that was actually that's. That's a theory, um, so think of it like a sound weapon. Yeah, um, it's not wielded by humans, but by the topography of the mountain sure okay, but it could be wielded by humans that are doing some kind of shady shit yes yeah, no, you're not wrong and I I think I get to that actually, oh all right, I actually didn't review this before we sat down, so I'm like I think I heard okay all right so um infrasound refers to low frequency sound waves below the range of human hearing, which is below 20 hertz okay um, the other one would be um infrasound and then ultrasound.

1:06:28 That's the other one makes sense all right okay so you can't hear it, but you can feel it, you might feel it. Yes, so research has shown that certain low frequency vibrations can cause humans to experience everything from anxiety, nausea, dread and outright panic. Sure, or if you, you know, are a fan of better help and things like that different green noise, brown noise, whatever can just lull you to a nice sleep. Yeah, my, my um sound machine has all those, yeah, different options. You have a sound machine, I do I like your alarm clock.

1:07:09 I like the um the thunderstorms, they're my favorite. Rain with thunder. What do you like? Silence. I honestly fall asleep listening to the police scanner. The police scanner, yeah, I need that frequency because it shuts my brain off. I have to watch a movie when I fall asleep, it's her and I it's. I feel bad because, like my kid kids, like my son's been like wanting to sleep on the floor in our room lately and vesper is still kind of, unfortunately, sleeping in our bed, which or not sleeping either way. Um, so I feel bad for them because I always have to pick the movie because don't want to watch something like I can't fall asleep to that you don't want to watch like incanto for the seventh millionth time I, luckily, I've never seen that, oh okay so it's not bad I mean, I'm not saying anything bad against it, but I just no, don't want to watch like well, fucking vesper is all about fancy nancy right now what is a fancy nancy?

1:08:10 don't ask. We're veering, but I no, I know it's. It's a show where everything's everything's fancy, apparently, and vesper wants to then play fancy nancy and it's we don't have the money for fancy yeah, it's, it's literally her just calling everything fancy you're just nancy yeah you're not fancy, not at all, I'm just nancy okay, anyway so I have to pick a movie that I can fall asleep to, and it's usually something I've seen a lot because I can shut my brain off per se. So anyways, redirect, redirect sorry okay, so this popular theory came from the author donnie eichar and he his book, the 2013 book dead mountain, and I actually got a lot of my information from that book as well as the dialofpasscom Right.

1:08:56 So it would be like a perfect storm of wind conditions. It produced a powerful infrasound that drove the hikers into an irrational terror, so the concept is called Carman Vortex Street. Carman Vortex Street. Carman Vortex Street. Yes. Sounds like a location. It's not I know, or like a club. It's not. Yeah. Yeah, it's a pattern of spinning air vortices that can sometimes form when wind hits an obstacle. Like a mountain peak, sure, okay. Like a mountain peak, sure, okay. So ikar suggests that, as strong winds swept over the dome of the mountain, they could have generated these vortices, which in turn emanated a low frequency hum that is not usually heard by humans correct it's too low below 20 hertz.

1:09:46 Yes, right so, uh, this sub-audible hum might have been like the earth itself groaning. It's like I don't want to get up. Have you ever seen those videos of like a really incredible powerful mic and they'll put it on a tree and the tree is literally groaning. Yeah, it would be like that. I've never seen that in my life. I have no idea what you're talking about. It's a thing. You can hear the sound mushrooms make and trees communicate. You can hear the sound of a planet spinning if you really want to. Well, the trees communicate because they're ants that have been alive for thousands of years. Thank you, lord of the Rings, they really deliver.

1:10:33 Alright, right, fair enough, okay, so these hikers wouldn't have heard anything, but their bodies might have reacted, sure so just a question yeah right, I don't know we're we're gonna get there, but if it is like the ground groaning, right, I feel like that could be a setup for oh fuck, we got to move. There's about to be an avalanche. Yeah, right so again combination of things. For sure. Yeah, I can argue anything. So infrasound at certain frequencies has been documented to cause feelings of unease and panic, and they sometimes call it the fear frequency.

1:11:21 The fear frequency. It can vibrate the tiny ears. Nope the tiny hairs in your ears. The tiny ears. My mind instantly went to cat ears. My mind went to the tiny hands. Oh, no, tiny ears, hi Donnie's. Okay, that's enough. It's Kristen Wiig on XML. I know, I know Donnie's Okay, anyways. So it can create vibrations on these tiny hairs in the inner ear and it messes with the vestibular system, then creating orientation and discomfort, essentially. So under this theory, late at night the winds start like an eerie Dead Mountain song.

1:12:05 The campers are suddenly hit with a wave of dread coming out of nowhere. Perhaps they might have started feeling dizzy or nauseous and in a collective panic they're like we've got to get out of this tent ASAP. Right. Yeah, so they might have believed an avalanche was coming from the ground, which could have also explained their confusion. I'm petting my cat, penny. Penny, if you weren't seeing this on TV or on YouTube, sorry On the television. Yeah, she wants all the pets. She's like meh. She was just over here. I know. You can come back. It's amazing how much she can walk, Penny. Come back, Penny, okay.

1:12:46 So this theory gained some respectability because it doesn't require conspiracies. It doesn't require aliens or yetis? Yes, exactly so. Lab experiments have shown low-frequency sound can induce anxiety in humans. The US military even researched infrasound as a non-lethal weapon for crowd control. Yep. Oh really. Interesting researched infrasound as a non-lethal weapon for crowd control. Yep, oh, really interesting. Have you heard like a really really low um note on an organ, like an organ, pipe, organ? yeah, it would be like that, only all over and even that explains how I feel when I go in a church I feel, dirty, just dread and panic.

1:13:38 So just after dawn on February 15th 2013. So almost two weeks later. At 9.20 local time, a 12,000 ton meteor exploded in the sky over the Ural Mountains. It's approximately 120 miles south of Yekaterinburg. Of where. Yekaterinburg. You know, oh, yekaterinburg. It's a big city. If people in Russia are listening, they know where it is. Nasa, scientists estimated its diameter to have been 55 feet.

1:14:18 Gesundheit. Thank you 55 feet diameter Okay, making it the largest meteor to hit Earth's atmosphere in over a century, and resulted in an explosion that flattened 800 square miles of forest in central Siberia, with a blast several hundred times more powerful than the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Hiroshima, I've heard both ways. I know Tomato, tomato. What followed next was infrasound waves. What followed next was infrasound waves. The explosion generated massive infrasound waves detected by infrasound sensors all over the world.

1:15:01 Right. Including 47 global stations. The waves circled the Earth multiple times Some say three, some say four full orbits. Yeah, it was the most powerful infrasound ever recorded from a known object but this happened like two weeks after they died this happened in 2013 oh so okay, I did not hear the year. Yes, that's okay, it happened in February 2013. There are YouTube videos on. I'm going to link them in our show notes. But you can actually see this meteor. You can't really tell that there's infrasound, but the meteor. It's really interesting to hear this big boom.

1:15:42 Yeah, don't hit that. Much like you know we were talking about earlier. Right Like certain areas are more susceptible to weird shit happening than others. Sorry, I put that in there because I was just like you guys know what I'm talking about, right, I put that in there because infrasound has been detected and it has happened before, so it's possible it happened back in 1959. Oh, that's what you're saying, okay. Gotcha, because I'm like cool 2013. Glad we know what happened. I this Okay Cool 2013. All right, glad we know what happened. I don't know. So the problem with this 54 years later? Back to the future Right.

1:16:23 The problem with this theory is it can't be proved. It happened way back then. There weren't sensors for it back then, sure. That's really funny because yetis can't be proved either. Or aliens Just saying funny because yetis can't be proved either. Or aliens just saying some physicists have questioned um the uh type topography of the campsite and the mountain, if that would, even if infrasound would even occur yeah in that kind of situation. Um, but people also point out that not not all nine hikers would probably react identically the same way to infrasound Exactly. Maybe some would I mean a lot of averages.

1:17:05 But and again, just to shit on this right away it doesn't break ribs, it doesn't. No. Break a fucking hyoid Like it just doesn't. It could drive them mad. Have you? Have you seen those videos of people reacting to something that's not there in front of their partner or whatever? They also react the same way yeah so even if these people aren't panicking the same way they see one panicking, they're all gonna panic, true? yeah, I guess I have not monkey see, monkey, do you know like your partner would essentially like oh shit, you know, and they're like wait, what fuck? yeah it's like that yeah or there's a bee and you'll panic and yeah, we're like I don't see the bee, but I'm gonna.

1:17:51 Usually one of them trips down the stairs or something too Like. It's great. I highly recommend. Okay. Okay, so it does not explain internal injuries. For that you would need something else, Something else. All I know is. One thing I've learned over the course of these episodes is that Audra really has a thing for the hyoid. I do it's like the most interesting part to me no, because it's a hard. It's a hard thing to get to unless you are like strangled. Yeah, basically, yeah okay no, I get it katabatic winds or infrasound panic. I have to pick one.

1:18:32 Yeah, you picked yeti and you picked secret weapons. So now you have to pick one. Yeah, you picked Yeti and you picked Secret Weapons. So now you have to pick Catabatic Winds or Infrasound. Which one do you think which has more clout? Not which one do you think it is, which one has more of a possibility? I guess the winds. You think the winds? If I had to pick one of those two, I don't mean I honestly don't agree with either, but if I had to pick one of those two, I don't mean I don't, I honestly don't agree with either. But if I had to pick, one, I'd pick the winds audrey I think the sound? yeah, I think, um, and I'm gonna pick the sound because, for the reason they might have, I could see it lining up the events.

1:19:13 Right, sure, uh, they think it's an avalanche. They cut out of the tent. They're like fuck, we gotta move right um, that would explain the various dress. Doesn't explain the radiation and all the other shit but you know, but I feel like the winds could also, because you could hear the winds coming out over the mountain so so I think I would choose the winds. Yeah, because they would be able to hear that and they could panic from that. Yeah, that's true too, Because I mean, depending on the ultimate sound of those winds, it could also sound like an avalanche. Exactly. And that's kind of where I was going with picking the winds as well. Yeah, because I get what you're saying 100%, but I don't know, I just wind can play some funny tricks on your mind with what you hear.

1:20:01 Do we talk about the undressing? No, okay. So there's something called paradoxical undressing. Yes, paradoxical undressing. You and I covered that in our children's blizzard of 1888. That's why I'm like I've heard that before. So you get so cold from hyperthermia your body actually thinks it's warm and you? Start to undress. Right, and that was a theory. I feel like winds or sound could also start that. Sure Okay, if everyone's reacting to everything different. Sound wave-wise.

1:20:41 Right, huh, okay. I still think that Igor was going to have them all wash their feet, and so they started taking off their shoes, and some of them their socks. By the time something happened and they all left. Do you think he was standing there like the guy in Dodgeball? No, Stop it. Doing his stomach thing there. Get in there nice and deep. We have two final theories that we're going to talk about. Potentially more from Audra. Yes, Maybe we're going to talk about a slab avalanra. Yes, yeah, maybe Maybe. So we're going to talk about a slab avalanche, is it a?

1:21:23 slab-a-lanche. Yes, yeah, you turn something very unsexy into something sexy. Slab-a-lanche. So slab avalanche was really sexy. No, it's unsexy. Oh, okay, different, okay, it's like wait, which one's the sexy one? you know, neither of them are. If you have to ask that question, yeah, I guess. Okay, so the dyatlov hikers? They carved out they carved out um a pad of snow to lay their tent on yes, remember, this is a slope, correct?

1:22:04 That they're on a 22 to 30 degree slope, depending on where you read it. 30 yeah um. So they had to carve out a flat slab of snow so their tent wouldn't be on a fucking angle. Yes, yeah okay, so it was suggested that a slab avalanche came from what was like on top of them. Essentially, I don't agree yeah I don't agree with that. So I know, okay, I I don't know what your next one is, and that's fine, but like I understand that like a big thing is, avalanches are a very big theory for these people, but that just seems a little like not exactly right.

1:22:45 But again, I'll go into more detail, I guess and we'll decide yeah, then I'll shit on it Go ahead let's say, catabatic winds blew additional snow down the slope a slab of compacted snow maybe the size of like a small suv, like my car, eileen. Eileen has no giddy up and go, that's why we call her. Come on, eileen, the song okay I was thinking of no arm, no leg jokes. But it's just me small suv. Okay, this slab of compacted snow would break loose and then slam into the tent. It would not bury them only partially. It wouldn't wipe them out, but it was enough to trigger a panicked response, right?

1:23:29 Okay, here's where things get a interesting. I hope so in 2021 okay I'm just saying like this is still like, oh yeah broad spectrum, oh my gosh, it's. It's going on for eons right or 50 scientists from epfl. Epfl, it's swiss, so here we go do it. Let's hear how she pictures this Ecole. Polytechnique Federale de Lusana, epfl, got it. It is a. Swiss university known for top-tier engineering and physics research, yep and the ETH Zurich.

1:24:15 What's ETH mean? Swiss Federal Institute of TechnologyTH Zurich. What's ETH mean? Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in. Zurich, how do you get ETH out of that? It's. Swiss. I just translated it for you. Anyway, einstein went there. Enough apparently. So anyway. Interesting. This guy named Johan Guam was a snow dynamics expert. What was his name? Johan? guam was a snow dynamics expert. What was his name? johan guam, johan game, okay he was a snow dynamics expert and he started with uh winter hazards he wanted.

1:24:56 Why would he start that? That sounds terrible. He studied it. God damn it okay he wanted to test whether a small avalanche could explain the hiker's injuries. So he was intrigued by the broken ribs and skull, the minimal soft tissue damage, no external bruising, really um crushed without being bruised. Essentially, very weird. So turns out, disney animation team built I heard that an incredibly accurate snow simulation software frozen for frozen for the movie frozen yes and this johan guy collaborated with the developers and borrowed their code I think that was.

1:25:36 They talked about this in that one you sent me to listen to I do believe that's why I know this, because why else would I fucking know this right? yeah. So the frozen inspired physics engine simulated the snowpack pressure, slope angles and how a hard snow slab the size of about a mattress would hit a body lying on skis. So a compact snow slab triggered hours after the hikers cut into the slope could create the same internal injuries as seen on the diet love autopsies why I'm gonna call bullshit. okay, can I? Can I ask a little question before you call bullshit? Yeah, why on skis? They weren't on skis.

1:26:18 They were laying on the ski poles, so they weren't laying directly in the snow, is my understanding? Wait who was laying on the ski poles? All of them. Why were they laying on ski poles? So they weren't laying in the snow. In their tent. Yeah, I'm so fucking confused right now it was essentially to the is that a theory be up off the ground instead of directly on it right, which I can understand, that I never heard heard that they would be on ski poles but sneak holes sneak holes. Um, I guess okay, we're talking like the ski poles yeah, how would you lay on those?

1:27:00 I don't think it's like a flat bed of ski poles I think it's like spaced out kind of gives you your own lane to sleep in so you don't get foot to face exactly unless you're eager, he's like, yeah, get in there maybe you wind them up all foot to foot, so he could just tickle them right down the line or something. Line up. I got my feather ready, okay so a compact snow slab triggered hours after the hikers cut into the slope could create the same internal injuries found on the bodies. It didn't need to be a full avalanche, just a delayed slab collapse. Sure, okay, it would be like hitting with like a, like an ice prius or something, a slow moving car as I say, an ice prius is that like you wouldn't hear it coming if it's under 35 miles an hour.

1:27:52 This helps explain the office he's driving up on right so this helps explain why the tent was slashed from the inside, why they fled without proper clothing, why some injuries looked like more of a car accident and why no large avalanche debris was found. So critics have said that the area wasn't steep enough for an avalanche. Yeah, while the visible surface slope was only about 15 degrees, the underlying terrain was closer to 20 degrees, so that's probably why there's a a weird thing between the 22 degrees and 30 degrees, depending on what you're at, what you read.

1:28:32 Yeah, strong winds couldn't have erased any debris, leaving the tent half covered in snow but still standing. Okay, there's also the timing Hikers set up camp in the evening, but the incident didn't happen until hours later. Okay. And they at this time they didn't have enough time to like put on their shoes and or partial socks. They had time to put on some, but not all yeah, so skeptics point to the lack of full tent burial right well, and that's the other thing too is like the ski poles that were standing straight up yeah that's why I was also confused that they were sleeping on their ski poles apparently.

1:29:16 Yeah, yet their ski poles are standing straight up, so I'm really confused aspect of it because they said they found them fucking sticking in the ground. Because if an avalanche came, I don't care how fucking good you got that ski pole in there, an avalanche is going to push that fucking over, yeah there were other weird things that completely shit on the avalanche theory. So something I was listening to earlier to refresh myself on the theories, kind of sites that they found essentially a frozen carafe, I think they call it, of cocoa. So an avalanche comes right, right, oh shit, we got to get out.

1:29:59 That's a pretty hurried situation if there's seven people in the tent, because two have gone out to pee, right. So there's seven people in the tent, you're cutting your way out, quickly, throwing on whatever you can get your hands on quick yeah but the avalanche nor people don't knock over a carafe of cocoa and or wasn't it igor's? Was it igor's camera or whatever was like in a pocket and stuff. I was it igor's. No, I might be mixing it up, doesn't matter there's so many people it was a yuri, a lot of, a lot of yuris. Um, one of. I think it was igor's I could be wrong, but it was like almosturi, a lot of a lot of yuris. Um, one of. I think it was egors I could be wrong, but it was like almost in a pocket thing, like a lot of things like because I just heard something and it probably was from that podcast.

1:30:45 You sent me that like just not that long ago, within the last, I don't know, five, ten years, whatever it was yeah they came out with more definitive proof that it probably was an avalanche. You know, but how? How? How is this shit standing up straight? How is the whole fucking tent not covered? here's my other problem with the avalanche theory. Yeah, and this is just the slab avalanche because we're actually going to get into a classic avalanche all Correct. Well, either fucking version of the avalanche, this girl had a fucking rib through her heart. You are not getting a rib through your heart and still like trying to get away.

1:31:29 No. Like that something happens, your time to death is pretty quick. I would imagine Anything going through your heart. You're gonna die pretty fucking fast yeah so. So let's think of it this way. Okay, this theory, the slab avalanche, or the classic avalanche which we'll get into, it's about why they lift their tent so quickly. Okay, their injuries could have been from climbing the trees. It could have been falling into the ravine. This is just. These ones specifically are about why they left the tent. Honestly, an avalanche makes the most fucking sense for why they left so fucking fast, like in rational thinking.

1:32:12 Why the fuck would I be leaving this tent so fast? Because there's fucking snow coming down the mountain on top of us? But why wasn't the tent fully covered? yeah, avalanche or presumed avalanche, or a slabalanche or a regular avalanche. Okay, one of them would have covered the fucking tent fully, not just partially okay, so let's go on to the classic avalanche theory. Okay, so snow roaring down the mountain. Have you seen videos of actual avalanches? they are massive, they're fucking wild. Massive, and that's my point is like I've seen videos of these it's like a wrecking ball yeah, just basically it takes trees down, and that's why I have a really hard fucking time believing this.

1:33:00 That why was the tent only like partially, partially covered, or the carafe was still standing up frozen and we've established. These mountains in perspective are not that steep, that high. No Right, not that high and not that steep 30 degrees. Don't get me wrong, it's pretty fucking steep, yeah, in the normal fucking world of thinking but, on a mountain not as much, whereas some are steeper. Could that avalanche happen on that? of course, obviously, but I don't know but they're also in a bald spot right, so that's even more speaking to and there's no visible avalanche debris? yeah, there's, there's nothing like that there isn't like a tree through the middle of it, and their ski poles are still standing upright and the tent's not fully covered and the hot chocolate's still there.

1:33:46 Yeah, carafe, the carafe textbook carafe so textbook carafe if it was an avalanche. They're thinking it was more of a local collapse. Um, not not essentially coming from the top of the mountain and like snowballing forward snowballing. I like, I like the word play but the classical avalanche doesn't fit all the facts that we know about this case. So which one do you think has more clout slabalanche or classic avalanche? I would go slabalanche reluctantly slabalanche. I would say slabalanche I just also like the name, because I came up with it yes, yeah. Now there is a red herring that I did not mention the guy named Remple.

1:34:35 Like Remple Stillskin. Close. So I'll have to go back and find Didn't you mention Remple? I did, yeah, I did. Let me Can. I shit on avalanches just a little bit more. Take a giant deuce. I also don't like the. I don't like the avalanche theory. It's probably the most probable, but I think that's why I dislike it the most because it's because again they're not. Yeah, it is too probable. No, it's like you don't survive or get stirred from your tent because you think there's an avalanche or there is an avalanche, no you get covered take out your pad and paper, like to communicate anything right, take your camera with you, yeah, or?

1:35:25 or even start putting on socks yeah, only get halfway there or one person's wearing one boot, or whatever the fuck it was plus again, these are not inexperienced hikers. They know what to do if there's an avalanche. Like they had to have, I believe, some kind of emergency plan should they run into something like this while they're out there. That was part of applying to do this Category 3 shit Right exactly, just even imagine on it more. Well, no, and that's fine, because, like I can't even imagine, like you know. Oh, you got your category two. Should I know something about avalanches?

1:36:05 Nah, that's a category. Three thing don't worry about it. So it's not like they'll learn probably learn about it prior to this, so right like again, I'm no fucking expert at anything, but they also and right, because they've researched this within the last five, seven years, maybe, yep, and came out with you know, it was definitely an avalanche and that's what they were saying in that one. Yes, but that just doesn't no, don't jive with me. Okay. So even if a slab, avalanche or classic or inverse, no matter how they got out of the tent or why they got out of the tent, one of my biggest questions is why did they not stay in the snowpack den that the four created?

1:36:51 They were found in a ravine, yeah. Well, they did say that there was running water underneath that could have collapsed the base or whatever that would have made them fall but it didn't collapse the base and run them downstream. So there is there is picture evidence of this, den and the branches at the base are there. They're intact, right? no, I get that, so that's why it wouldn't have bottomed out weird I I think it's aliens okay, rumple so once when they were in the town vizay, ivan rumple, who was a forester that's the one who told him not to go he warned the hikers not to go.

1:37:35 So what did he know? Exactly. Interesting. So I bring this up, because in Zina Kolmogorova's diary the very last entry had one word Remple, remple. Remple. Why Could you imagine? if she said it three times, what would? have happened't, do it right now seriously why? but so right, it kind of again combines theories yes if there is some kind of meddling, if they do feel like they're being followed, why are you just gonna reflect on fucking rumple several days later?

1:38:18 And you know, and why would you only write remple remple it just doesn't make sense like if you're being followed, if you feel that he's out there, something like that, or you're gonna write remples fucking following us, or you could have ran in with rempel again. Yeah, you know or she could have started to write. Rempel warned us also. Yeah, it could have been something as simple as that, yeah honestly, just because, just because she wrote rempel doesn't mean it was bad. It could have been well maybe it was so fucker was right. I write a lot of notes to remind myself of something later, so maybe she wrote down Rempel to later tell him about what they experienced on the mountain, about, yeah, this is a really dangerous pass, or whatever.

1:39:05 Because he said it was. Now it's named after us. Yeah, okay. Yeah. February 2019. 60 years 60 years ago. Mm-hmm. Yeah, the decision was made by the Russia's Prosecutor General's office to reopen the Dyatlov incident case. So there was enough time passed where they got the other shit out, because they just abruptly closed it, fuckers. Enough time for it to not be radioactive anymore. So the Russian government wanted to put the mystery to rest. Boost public trust because just Because they're, you know, Russia. They wanted to be transparent, finally, and they wanted to reframe the tragedy as a natural accident and not a government cover-up.

1:39:48 Well, of course they're going to say that, though Any government cover-up would fucking say that. So out of all the theories, the new investigation only reconsidered three of them which are avalanche, yeti and avalanche avalanche, slabalanche, yes, and katabatic winds okay, just to shit on avalanches a little bit more, though I'm sorry, I never get sick of shitting on avalanches I have never heard someone shit on avalanches as much as I have today. You're welcome. Thank you for that this area from all the research, everything I've ever read on it. Even the mansi have said not prone to avalanches.

1:40:33 Yeah, it has. Maybe it happened there, but it's never been documented right? I mean, is it technically possible? everything's possible. Sure, I wasn't there, but I'm just saying I wasn't there if no one's ever like right. This was like a place that obviously other people were hiking. It's not like these are the first and only people to have ever been in this area right right someone probably would have seen or heard of an avalanche right. There's indigenous people out there that were very like, from my understanding, cooperative with investigation they weren't like a violent people or like standoffish or anything.

1:41:14 Yeah, so they were very forthcoming with everything they knew. They helped with the search, they did all the things like they should, sure and I feel like they're living out there they would know they would be like, fuck, it was probably an avalanche. It happens here all the time. Right, didn't happen, didn't? Okay, I'm done shitting on that, no worries. That's okay, they reanalyzed the terrain, weather patterns and snow load stability. They reexamined all the evidence. They reinterviewed local officials and those having survived all this time. They brought in avalanche specialists and forensic experts and they reanalyzed weather conditions from February 1st to 2nd in 1959 by modern modeling tools.

1:42:08 Don't know what that means, however, the official conclusion in July of 2019, it was a slabalanche. So any government that's trying to cover something up is obviously going to say what you had said before, which is, yeah, they're going to come up with this and be like well, clearly, that's what it is. I'm not saying that government covered it up, but a government trying to cover something up would fucking say that they're gonna find something that is plausible plausible, something that could happen, yes, and they're gonna dig their heels in. Right, they're never going to admit to a cover-up, they're never going to admit a fault or that they were doing some kind of testing, something like that.

1:42:56 Right, they're gonna be like because that fuck an avalanche man Top secret shit. They're not going to give out that information. Even 60 years fucking later, they're not going to give out that information. I mean, look at the. Our government has shit that we don't know about. That's who knows how fucking old and whatever. So it's like you thinkussians are going to give up fucking information about what they were doing. Fuck, no. So again, I'm not saying that's what it is, but also I'm not saying that's not a possibility that they're just covering up more shit to make them and they came up with this like oh no, we've definitively decided it was a slabalanche, and I do believe that's the title of this episode so if you had to decide between the katabatic winds and the slab of lanch?

1:43:46 to me. I still have to probably pick slab of lanch because it is the most like logical in my brain. I'm not saying I am a hundred percent on it and I mean I've heard enough shitting on avalanches today to avalanche is not my choice no, and what is your choice? I would have never guessed that, audra firmly not avalanches. Um between the two, I'm gonna go wins sure, okay I think, which I could, but I could also see that too. I could see that as well. Absolutely, I really could. Wind sound. I'm kind of like a combination wind sound, okay, you know. Yeah, sure, I get that. My biggest problem with the slabalanche and or avalanche is like the lack of covering up the entire tent.

1:44:32 Yeah, I mean, I know. And the cocoa still being upright and the poles being upright. Exactly Cause like there's such force from avalanches whether it's a slab of land or a fucking traditional avalanche, I don't like. I said I don't care. You would have to have that fucking pole in a hundred feet to stand straight up still. Yeah, that would have fucking fallen over. You would think so. The tent would have been more covered, except for the one fucking end of it, and so that to me just is like Also, there was that flashlight on top of the snow yes, that's another thing too. That didn't have any snow on top of that which means it was blown off. The snow could have been blown off, but the avalanche would have covered that shit.

1:45:13 Not even covered. It would have knocked it off potentially. There's no way in my brain that that flashlight wouldn't have fell off by getting fucking hit by a bunch of moving snow. Yeah, it wouldn't have been found right in the area, it would be way down or uh, igor's was it camera, I don't know. It was like in that pocket thing. I'm drawing a blank on what the fuck it was right now, but like all that shit would have been just more disrupted to me if it wasn't a slavalanche, traditional avalanche, whatever. So I just it makes sense, but it also makes no fucking sense to me. Yeah, because I just feel like there's too many inconsistencies and again, I'm not any fucking expert by a stretch of the imagination, but like I've seen enough movies, yeah, Avalanche We've seen Frozen.

1:46:02 Yeah Well, and they use their model. Or like when you know James Bond was in and he had that fucking ball go around him, and then he's like, hey, let's make out, because we're going to fucking James. Bond, or which movie is that Was it. World is Not Enough. I think, yeah, die Another Day With Ali Berry. Was it Die Another Day? I always get those mixed up a little bit. I don't know. I don't know. No, I think it was World is Not Enough, because it was the Ah fuck. Now I'll have to figure that out. It's one of those two. It's a pierce broson one nonetheless. Well, it might be regardless. I don't know shit about 007. I fucking love james bond regardless, david green I don't think we've solved anything well you know, here's the funny thing neither have they they think they have you do have a point.

1:46:52 They say they have yeah. They say they have yeah. They say they have yeah, which makes they want you to think they have. I don't agree that they've actually uncovered what the fuck happened. Okay, nobody's going to ever know what happened to these nine fucking people. So let's work this out. There's an avalanche. What happens from there? Just spitballing Right. What happens from there? That leads to the injuries. Oh yeah, that too Right, Fucking hyoid man. Avalanche is done. I wasn't even going to say the hyoid. I was going to say like there's an avalanche. Who had the hyoid, because I didn't read that anywhere.

1:47:33 Dubinia. Dubinia. She was one of the four in the ravine, that sounds right. I can't remember. Now I'm drawing a blank. That's okay, but it doesn't explain any type of combat wounds, right? No, like the fist. Yeah, doesn't explain any of that. Fighting a yeti would yeah, just saying. I'm going to look up. Did someone break a hyoid? Who has a? broken hyoid. In the dialogue. Yeah. Definitely specify that yeah, because, like I said, I've not heard that. No. I feel like it's one of those things that you just read conflicting information on too right?

1:48:17 No, for sure was she the one that had the documentation of the injuries? Was shit, right oh 100 all the medical exams. It was so shit when you were found and all the stuff that they fucking left out. Yeah, it's just amazing. It's like this is not an actual fucking investigation, because you're leaving shit out. We don't even know if the things that are in there are correct or not. Well, because they could have altered it just to benefit whoever was covering shit up, or whatever scenario you want to come up with. When was that one? Was that one guy who, he like, found this but completely omitted it Didn't? even put it in the lead investigator.

1:48:58 It's like are you fucking kidding me? okay, so it was ludmilla ludmilla, and it wasn't her hyoid bone like the whole thing it was the little horns that come off of it. Those were snapped so what does that mean? it could have been just regular trauma, not like like, not strangulation or anything like that I feel like I've always read this is where the conflicting information comes in. I've always read it was a hyoid either way I don't know. I just feel like we're never gonna fully know. Uh, it's always gonna be?

1:49:38 how close are the horns to the actual highway? I'll show you a picture here okay, okay, so still something like it's questionable, it's questionable all right, I think it was aliens, yeah it was it's. it was in um the dietlovecom um website website and I just hadn't read that part, so interesting well yeah thank you for bringing that to our attention holy smokes holy shit. Yeah, are we done? Yeah, because I gotta pee now thanks for one more.

1:50:19 Oh, fuck yeah one more what do you? got okay, so this is the only thing that I've read that I believe explains the combat the handgun style injuries. Yeah, remember way back in the beginning where we were talking about everybody introducing them all. They've all been friends, they're a respectable group of people and we figure out that zanata and diatlov are maybe in a relationship yes, okay um and correct me if I'm wrong, but she is the one that has had multiple relationships with people generally liked her yeah she's an attractive gal I think she dated one other person in the group okay, but they remained friends yes so I think that's what it was then there's this also cigarette, uh, you might acquit, but someone smuggled some in because they just weren't as committed kind of thing yeah um.

1:51:20 So some of the theories that I've read have gone into explaining the combat style. Injuries might have been a result of them fighting with each other over zanata, over zanata, over someone not following the rules, sure, um? you know something like that. I figured that as well yeah, something to deal with zanata yeah but, and it's not like a popular one, but like how do you explain hand-to-hand combat? it's the only thing that kind of explains that. Yeah. At least that we've gone over, of course, because it's not like they went out and fought a fucking avalanche.

1:52:02 Right, they weren't punching their way out of the snow. No, obviously. I mean if you hit ice, you can fuck up your hand, but Absolutely Not just snow. That seems like a good theory. It seems. Seems like a good theory, it seems more rationale? yeah, because it's. It's also rooted in not ridiculousness, like there are broken ski poles that are found to. Yes, I believe that's I thought I thought you mentioned that I don't remember. So that could explain some of the internal ish injuries. Sure, um, the part that gets me with the internal injuries right. This is a group of friends. They're not like new to each other with the exception of one right um and correct me if I'm wrong again, but I don't believe he had any internal injuries.

1:52:48 So in the sense of like a um brawl situation. Right, um, you know, maybe he was the winner of the brawl I mean, that's very was that yeah, that was a zolotary of um. Let me see what his injuries were right yeah I don't know if we had his he had the cracked ribs on one side. Okay. So well they could have worked together and fucked him up. I don't know. I'm just saying a fight between them is not. It's not out of the realm of possibility. Plus add in, you know tensions are probably running high.

1:53:29 You're kind of losing your mind and thinking you're going to die. Yeah, you know, I can imagine getting a little frustrated, even with my friends, in that situation. So Zolotaryov also had missing eyebrows and missing eyeballs, and he had also three fractures of the scapula. So I mean he got a little fucked up too. I think they fell into the ravine and that's how they got those injuries. Like fell. I think they fell into the ravine and that's how they got those injuries Like fell out of a tree into the ravine. No, I think maybe they were thinking that they were on solid ground and they weren't. That's very possible. Yeah, I could see that For sure After leaving the den.

1:54:14 They thought they were. I don't know why they would leave the den. Well, because maybe they thought it was safe at that point. But it could have been at that point too, where we don't know where the paradoxical undressing could have started. That's also true At that point. they could have been so disoriented and just desperate that they're like, fuck it, we're getting out of here. But do you think that they would have known about that phenomenon? They probably wouldn't have. You don't think so, I don't think so. Well, maybe Because I mean it's not like it's probably the the results of hypothermia. This is what it does to you. It's probably not like the first documented case of paradoxical undressing, you know.

1:54:54 So yeah, I documented case of paradoxical undressing, you know. So I would imagine you would think seasoned professionals out there. Yeah, well shit, we could honestly talk about this for a fucking hours, absolutely, but I don't wanna that's fine, but I don't wanna I've been balls deep in this story for for two solid months, yeah yeah, I mean it's been, it's been a minute yeah, it's really easy to rabbit hole it's so easy. What are you looking up? I was trying to see if there was a date for one paradoxical. Paradoxical addressing was like kind of discovered, if you will but um not finding anything like, the only thing that I see is like some science thing in 79.

1:55:39 It doesn't say not something that was discovered. I'm like I get that, but one was the first fucking documented. Is, I guess, what I meant. But um, let's see if it's because I'm kind of curious now, because I don't, I feel like they wouldn't. Um, they might not have had a name for it but I would imagine they knew the effects of hypothermia. I would imagine uh paradoxical. Addressing the phenomenon where individuals suffering from hypothermia remove their clothes due to a mistaken feeling of warmth was first documented in the medical literature between 1978 and 1994 okay so whether that's right or not, I don't know, but it's more than likely that they did not know about that phenomenon in 1959.

1:56:24 It's very possible. So, anyways, that's all I wanted to know. Yeah. But anywho. Well, Audra, thank you for being with us. Thank you for having me. You added a great element for us. This was fun. Thanks for letting me shit on avalanches. Hey, just like I like to shit on aliens. We're there for you. And that's not just because they anal probe me, but anyways, welp, I suppose. All right, buffoons, that's it for today's episode. Buckle up, because we've got another historical adventure waiting for you. Next time feeling hungry for more buffoonery, or maybe you have a burning question or a wild historical theory for us to explore. Hit us up on social media. We're history buffoons podcast on youtube x, instagram and facebook.

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