Remember, Remember

0:11 Oh, hey, there, oh hey. How's it going, Kate? I'm good, I have a beer and I'm ready to open it. Oh, she's thirsty folks, mm-hmm, all right. This one is from. Welcome to History, buffoons. Oh, apparently she was jumping the gun. She really wanted to drink, I'm thirsty. So she didn't want to actually do the podcast. I'm Kate. Yeah, we went over that. But yeah, welcome to History. Buffoons, kate's thirsty, so we're going to open a beer. Yeah. What are we trying today, kate? Oh, oh, it smells good. Gonna open a beer yeah, what are we trying today, kate? Oh, it's called um. Mine is new belgium juice force voodoo ranger juice force ipa.

1:01 Right, yes, he can read mine folks well, no, I, I I'm just sad, because that's what I wanted. Well, here, take here, take it. No, I'm kidding, it's fine. I have way too many cords in front of me to move. I like mine, so mine is the Voodoo Ranger Imperial IPA. It's one of their more go-to, pretty good seller. But yeah, we are going to try this. I don't think you've never tried one of those before. Right? No, this is new. Are going to try this. I don't think you've. You've never tried one of those before right? no, this is new, it's a 9.5 percent percent abv yeah and what does abv stand for? Obviously, I don't know, abviously obviously, this one says 9.5 percent alc yeah, so I think that stands for alcohol slash volume, because you didn't read the rest of it.

1:50 Well, why would it not say ABV? Because they're being weird, I don't know. All right, cheers. Cheers. Oh, mine is like really citrusy. I know. That's why I like that one. It's really good. So the Juice Force is talking about probably being a little more on the hazy side, where my Imperial IPA is going to be a little more traditional IPA Maybe not traditional isn't the right word it's going to be a little more hopped up IPA because it's an Imperial. How about we switch halfway through? Yes, I would like your backwash. Yeah. I just killed that folks?

2:33 Yeah, kate has. She doesn't like when people spit in front of her. Yeah, saliva is. We don't have to keep talking about it. I mean, I can edit it out. So how was your day? It was good, got a lot. Oh, sorry, I was just trying to set my beard up. Got a lot done around the house. How was your day? I hope you get a lot done around your house. You sure did, and I greatly appreciate and I know my wife does the kids try to get in the way, but uh, we greatly appreciate your help. Thank you for all we did today I, I am completely bit up um we have a lot of mosquitoes.

3:15 Oh my gosh, I am so bit up. They really like my blood yeah, um, oddly enough, apparently they don't like mine. I okay. Or. I just don't notice it as much as you do. Do you know your blood type? I don't actually know. My dad asked me this literally like this past week Do you know your blood type? I'm like I have no idea what that is. So and then I go to my dad Do you know what the universal blood type is? And he didn't know. Okay. The only reason why I know is because of the band typo negative I so I learned that in massage school and science class sure makes sense throughout high school, whatever, but I mostly learned it from like watching er.

4:02 Really, yes, I grew up on er I mean I watched anthony edwards great I mean goose yeah I can't watch that movie because he dies. Spoiler alert I'm sorry, it came out almost 40 years ago and I can't. I have watched it one time and because I knew exactly who Anthony Edwards was and how good he was in ER, I literally cannot watch that movie a second time. So you saw ER before you ever saw Top Gun. Yes. I always find it funny in the age difference and how weird that is to me, because I didn't go to the theater, because I wasn't that old, but I saw it shortly, not long after it came out like on video.

4:49 Yeah, I probably saw all 15 seasons of ER before I ever watched Top Gun. Wow, that's. Yeah. I would say mind-blowing, but it's really not. Yeah, I watched it much, much, much later in my life. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, have you seen the new one, maverick? No, it's pretty good. I mean, they're flying around in planes and blow shit up. Naturally, what else would you like? Just saying, goose, Well, his son is in the new one, or not?

5:29 It's like Twister and the new movie Twisters coming out and it's their son and whatever. But it's not in Twisters. It's not his son. No, oh, who is it? No one. It's like a new version of Twister. Oh. From what I understand, at least the little bit I read on it. What am I thinking of? Where the son comes. Oh, gladiator, the second Gladiator. Yeah, that's coming out, that's going to be. Not his son, but it's. It's going to be her son, right? Yeah, oh my God, what the hell is his name? Lucius? Yeah, lucius is the son's name, right. I don't know. I believe your dog's named after the main character.

6:11 My dog's name is Maximus. I love that movie. Yeah, I mean, I usually fall asleep to it. Yeah, I've done that a lot too, so I don't know a lot of the nuances. Fair enough. A lot of people die. That's fair. It's a good movie. If you haven't seen Gladiator, check it out. We recommend. I mean I recommend watching it. But you know, whatever Should we get into our story, I feel like we should, so this story Okay. So I did not know about this story until after I watched a movie.

6:54 Which I know the movie very well. I'm talking about V for Vendetta. Love that movie. It is such a phenomenal movie and for the first ten times that I watched it, I I picked up on something new. Every time sure makes sense. Um, now it's just, I watch it as entertainment and well, it is a movie. Well, you know what I mean like, not for historical references yeah, I'm watching. Yeah, so before I was watching it as like oh, that's new information, like oh, okay, that's really interesting plot, dynamic, and now I'm just like, yeah, I've seen this, that was my microphone, that was my microphone, but now I'm watching it, knowing exactly, anyway, so the story.

7:44 What are we talking about right now? V vendetta I know I get that um, it's a great movie. You should watch it. It's phenomenal it is not a historical document. It's based off of historic uh events. It was actually based off of a graphic novel yes, which I didn't know about for a while, for the longest time yeah, but you picked that up, that up on one of those 10 watchings, right? I haven't. I haven't booked, but it oh dear oh god, it hurts so bad. Well, it scratches so good, what well, you know? Like you scratch and itch and then you get that like immediate high afterwards your skin is all like euphoric, like oh, that was bliss.

8:26 And then it starts her itching all over again. That's what I'm feeling at the moment because I just scratched it. So we're going to talk about the gunpowder plot of 1605. Yep, are you ready for this? I'm ready to learn some other information that I did not know, because, i'll'll be honest, obviously I know of it, but my main education also came from a fictional movie that was based off of said events. And yes, I'm still talking about V for Vendetta, because I love that movie. So good, hugo Weaving fucking amazing. Oh, he's so good. Do you remember who the other actor was who originally played V before? he took over. No, because he doesn't matter. I didn't ask if it mattered.

9:07 No, because he doesn't matter. James Purifoy would fucking think differently. I don't know who that is. He's an actor who originally played V Anywho. So this plot happened in 1605. However, like the whole start of the story came around the time of king henry the eighth right, and he was married to Catherine. Five different people. Catherine of Aragon. Aragog.

9:48 Aragog. It's the pincers. I'm sorry. Every time I hear Aragon in Lord of the Rings or his wife, I just think of Aragog from Harry Potter. I'm sorry. So Henry VIII wanted to catherine of aragon and marry who, and balloon, and balloon, but he couldn't no, because that's why the whole church of england was created so he was a devout catholic he sure was a lot of, a lot of people were back then. Yeah, and he was used to being in power. However, he found it quite difficult to bend his will to the papacy.

10:31 Well, that's because the church had such power back in those times. Yeah. Everything that was done was typically for the church. And in order for him to get a divorce, he would literally break himself free. Yeah, and created the Church of England. He created the. Church of. England which, if I'm not mistaken, since him and every king and or queen that was the ruler, is technically the head of the Church of England, if I'm not mistaken. So he joined the Protestant Reformation Ooh and he denounced the Catholic Church as corrupt Yep and broke all ties to Rome in 1533.

11:13 I like how I didn't get my way. You're corrupt. Yeah, Sounds like our government. So King Henry had three children, Then I want to see if you can guess what queen they came from. Okay. So his first kid was mary yeah, which that's from katherine? Katherine, yes his second child was elizabeth which was from anne and his third child was from was edward oh dear, give me a second. This is really good podcasting I'll give you a hint. Okay, she died during childbirth oh shit, um, yes, I know which one you're talking about.

12:00 I'm drawing a blank on her name all the one people that are listening to us is probably like yelling at us do you know this? Her name is jane seymour, that's right, jane seymour. Fuck yeah, isn't he, isn't she the one that he actually is buried next to? I don't know I don't remember. No, I'm getting all of his wives. So, side note, my mother-in-law has. She likes to collect things from time to time and it's great because she goes all fucking in and I love that about her. One of her current things that she likes to collect are called Toby Jugs. Toby Mugs no, I'm probably fucking it up Anywho they're just basically like a head, they're a mug and they're ahead, typically of of a character.

12:50 She's got this really cool part of her set is king henry and all of his wives and they all have like each individual one has something like one has a tower of london as a handle or something like that. They're're really cool. But I always thought that was neat because how big are they? Well, they come in different sizes, but hers are, like I don't know, 8, 10 inches tall. Like a pineapple. Sure, I mean completely different thing Fruit, mug, whatever. Well, the height of a pineapple, it's probably like a stein. Oh, okay. More or less that kind of height. I guess they're pretty big, but then there's a lot of little ones as well, but they're all from.

13:35 England is where they all came from. So King Henry died in 1547. And young Edward. Young Edward was nine years old, yeah, and he ascended the throne, yes, however, he had guardians, oh, and they were Protestant, yep, and so, together with his guardians, he continued his father's reign of the church, but he was actually kind of a sickly child, so he and he died at age 15 yeah, he was. He wasn't around very. That's why elizabeth took over mary don't interrupt. Ultimately elizabeth took over, but mary otherwise do you want to talk about the story?

14:19 I'm sorry, I thought we were supposed to interact. I was wrong. Folks, folks, stay tuned. So Mary ascends the throne in 1553. Yep. And she managed to maintain her Catholic beliefs despite the oppression that was happening around her. Yeah. She was completely steadfast against Protestantism. Because she was very devout catholic. Yeah, and because of the treatment of her mother right at king henry's hands, correct. So when mary became queen she had a severe hatred for product protestant protestantism protestantism.

15:01 They need a better word. So anyone supporting the religion, whether practicing or hiding people, were considered heretics, and she had no guilt In burning them at the stake when she found them. Do you know what her nickname is? That was a question I was going to ask you. Oh shit, ask me your question. So 237 men and 52 women were executed. What was her? nickname Bloody Mary. Mary died in 1558. Yep. After just five years. Of rule. Not of life. Now enters.

15:44 Queen Elizabeth, I Elizabeth there you go. The first. And what religion was she? Protestant she was. Yeah, she was all in on what Daddy did yeah. Are you getting whiplash yet? Protestantism Catholic Protestantism. I mean I wasn't, but now that you mention it, my neck hurts your neck hurts. yeah, I know, fuck. So in 1559, elizabeth enacted the Act of Supremacy and the Act of Uniformity. Okay. This reinstated many proclamations which had been repealed by Mary Right, so the Acts declared the celebration of Mass and other Catholic traditions illegal.

16:25 Like what's the communion or not communion? Is that the right word? Yeah, communion, yeah Right. Yeah, okay, sorry, I just yeah. So that was one of them. That would have been Mm-hmm Okay. So she also. As part of this act of supremacy, she was also maintaining her title as Supreme Head of the Church of England Right. So these new laws also introduced fines for those who refused to attend the Church of England services. Oh dear, these people were known as recusants. Recusants. Yeah, that's a weird word, recusants. I cannot. I believe I've never heard that word before right now.

17:05 So I read a book um, and it was called something Jesus Christ. Oh, my word. I'm sorry, Al. It's called the Gunpowder. Plot History in an Hour by Sinhead. Sinhead. That's how you pronounce, sinhead. Sinead. Sinead Fitzgibbon. Can you spell Sinhead for me, sinead. Sinead Fitzgibbon. Can you spell Sinead for me? Sinead, sinead. S-I-N-E-A-D. You know, like Sinead O'Connor.

17:46 So it's pronounced Sinead. Yeah, okay, the gunpowder plot. Jesus Christ, sinead Fitzgibbon. Oh my God, that was fantastic. Anyway, sorry, right, janae fitzgibbon. Oh my god, that was fantastic anyway, um, sorry. So in 1570, pope pius, the fifth fucking pope, issued the papal bull that excommunicated elizabeth from the catholic church which they didn't care and it absolved all catholics of the allegiance to their queen. Oh, catholics had a duty to God before their monarch. Correct, because you know church first. So all Catholics were now viewed as potential traitors to the crown Correct.

18:31 I'm so glad you think I'm right on everything I don't, I just know what you wrote down. Elizabeth feared uprising, so in a new law she denounced priests as traitors and banned them from the english shores, so catholicism is now regarded as high treason instead of just illegal. So this law drove catholics underground oh yeah, a ton of them some priests fled but most actually remained in england and in fact 450 additional foreign priests arrive in england for support, and 130 of those were executed for efforts to administer the catholic faith jesus isn't that why a lot of I guess I'm just remembering something off the top of my head Is this where priest holes came from, where they would hide priests?

19:26 Did that come across your research? at all. It did not, but I could understand that pairing. Right. I'm not sure if this is where those kind of came from, but I know that was a thing where they obviously would hide them and this would make sense because of what's going on. But anyway, sorry. So Elizabeth died in 1603. Okay. And the Scottish king, james VI rose to power. Sure did. So James is the grandson of Henryry, the eighth sister. Yes, mary, queen of scots yes so he actually did have a legitimate claim to the throne, yes, and he was met with little opposition.

20:10 So he was james the sixth in scotland but in. England. He's James, I Right. And do you know why that is? Tell me. I'm asking you. I didn't write it down, so tell me. So, for example, if there was a James before him in England, he would have been James II. Well, yes, it's just like Queen Elizabeth I. I thought, thought you were gonna give me some super insight I'm literally asking if you know why the numbers are what they are because there's not a james the first of england already answer the fucking question, jesus christ so the first act um that james had um was to introduce the union of crowns, and it declared scotland and england to be united under one monarch.

21:02 Oh snap, so james was a protestant, but the english catholics thought that there would be some improvement of their fortunes as his mother was a devout Catholic. Mary. Yes, so initially he actually did reduce the fines on the Rikuzans. Mm-hmm. But then he realized how heavily reliant the crown was on that income. It's all about the money bro. And he reinstated the fines. What a dick. I mean I get it, but what a dick. I mean I get it, but what a dick. So by this time, with all the backlash, backlash, all the whiplash and the fines, and the backlash.

21:46 Yeah there were several Catholic noblemen who decided they wanted to take action, hence what we're talking about. This action is called the Gunpowder Plot gunpowder treason and plot. So it started with just five men, yeah, and it was a plot to actually blow up parliament, correct? But it soon became 13 people oh yeah, lucky number 13 yeah. So who is like the face of Gunpowder Plot that you know of from your understanding of the plot? Guy Fawkes. Yes, it was actually Robert Catsby who was the chief architect of the plot.

22:32 Yeah, because, like you said, originally there was five. Right, that was the first number. But for some reason, man, they just loved pinning it all on Guy Fawkes. So Robert Catsby grew up as a devout Catholic, okay, and he actually witnessed his father's imprisonments for practicing. Oh shit, that's fucked up so he actually was, he actually had was a fairly wealthy family okay but his wealth diminished quickly because of all the fines sure that would make sense which made him really bitter yeah, I mean, I could see how that would make him pretty pissed off so there was at one time, when queen el actually became ill, that Robert Catesby was imprisoned with other members of the eventual plot.

23:20 So some of them who were devout Catholics in this plot separate from the plot. They were all imprisoned for fear of an uprising while she was sick. Ah, makes sense. So when she gets better, they actually get released. Okay, makes sense. So when she gets better, they actually get released, okay. Um. So robert was very well liked with his family and his friends and held considerable sway over them. So many of the noblemen involved in the in the plot did so out of misguided personal loyalty, like they. They pretty much did everything he said, sure yeah, I get that so some of the men were, uh, francis tresham.

24:02 Okay, he was first cousin of catsby brothers robert and thomas winter, who are also cousins of catsby. So it's a family affair, all right the brothers robert and thomas winter had a brother-in-law, jesus john grant okay, so still kind of in the realm of family jack and christopher right, who are brothers, and their brother-in-law, the right brothers, thomas per Okay Ambrose Rookwood. Ambrose, that's a heck of a name. Everard Digby. Okay, robert Keyes, catsby's faithful servant, thomas Bates.

24:48 Oh, good old Tom. And Guy Fawkes. Hey, there he is. And Guy Fawkes. The only connection that I found was that he attended school with the Wright Brothers at one point. Not from Ohio. What. Not from Ohio. I Wright Brothers. I'm just making sure people understand. What are you talking about? You said that he attended school with the Wright Brothers and I said not the Ohio Wright brothers. Right, because we're in. England, I know, I'm just making sure people understand. So Guy Fawkes had an extensive knowledge on gunpowder and Catsby needed that for his plot.

25:29 So Guy Fawkes had spent 12 years as a mercenary in the Catholic King of Spain's army army, and in spain he went by guido fox guido, I didn't know that that's funny. Uh, good old guido so cousin tom thomas winter argued with catsby that if their plot failed it would result in an exacerbation of an already terrible situation. Right and Caspi declared quote the nature of the disease requires so sharp a remedy. End quote. Hmm. I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah, it's pretty good. So the plot's target was Parliament, so the place that had done all the mischief.

26:14 Caspi proposed to use gunpowder to blow up Parliament, which in doing so would also bring down the new king and the sitting government. So, with the inevitable chaos that would happen afterwards, catesby had hoped that the Catholics would rise up and seize the power, sort of how they would imprison all these catholics. Well, elizabeth was sick for fear of uprising. well, if parliament and the king and and all the sitting government is, if they're all dead, yeah, then the catholics will rise sure, no, I, I get his rationale there, I suppose, yeah, okay so the official opening of Parliament was a year away.

26:58 It was actually supposed to be held in 1604, but there was an outbreak of the plague, so Parliament got moved back a year. So they had a year to plan, essentially. I mean, I guess that helped them out a bit. Yeah, even though. I mean I guess that helped them out a bit. Yeah, even though. So originally they wanted to dig a tunnel under Parliament, but that didn't seem achievable, so they rented a storeroom in March of 1605, which was an adjacent cellar used to store firewood, and it was located directly underneath the House of Lords. So Thomas Percy, who had legitimate business in westminster, took up the least, as he would cause like the least suspicion.

27:44 He was an intermediary to king james so he leased it out. So because he was in the that world, yeah, it would be less suspicious it would yes yes, I mean that makes sense, because if guy fox all of a sudden rented this place or leased this place, whatever right, like who the fuck is this guy? so, speaking of who the fuck this guy is, guido fox actually masqueraded as percy's servant and called himself john johnson. How original. John Johnson, that's his porn name, basically. And he was the one that actually guarded the storeroom. Okay, so Robert Catsby had actually owned a house across from the Thames, from Westminster, and supplies of gunpowder were ferried across the river and smuggled into the storeroom.

28:35 There was actually very little talk of what happened, what would happen after the explosion, and, as catspiece really didn't see any reason why the catholics wouldn't rise up and capitalize on the uh so he just hoped yeah, there was no plan there was like no, hey, let's send out a message to these Catholics. What is up on this day? No. That's, I mean, that's some blind hope there. The only thing that they had planned was a rendezvous point. Ooh Got to get to the rendezvous point. So on Saturday, october 26th 1605. Do you know what happened on 925?

29:16 Anyways, okay, september 26 if you're gonna say stuff like it, you gotta finish. You gotta say a reason why. Kate never remembers when I was born or what my birthday is, so I randomly tell her 925 a lot, anyways, good story, I should tell it at a party. So 25 a lot, anyways, good story, I should tell it at a party. So October 26,. Conspirator Tresham oh wait. Now we're on October. What happened to September? It was always October. You said 9-26. On Saturday, October 26, 1605, Conspirator Tresham's brother-in-law, who was also a cousin of Catsby.

30:01 Of course he was. Is named Lord Montague. Montague. I mean Mont Eagle is how it's spelled. Mont Eagle. He received a letter from a stranger. Okay. Under the cloak of night Ooh. His servant, thomas Ward, read it out loud, okay, and it said, quote my lord, out of the love I bear to some of your friends, I have a care of your preservation. Therefore, I would advise you, as your, as you your life, to devise some excuse to shift your attendance at this parliament, for God and man hath concurred to punish the wickedness of this time, and think not slightly of this advertisement, but retire yourself into the country where you may expect the event in safety, for there be no appearance of any stir.

30:58 Yet I say they shall receive a terrible blow, this parliament, and yet they shall not see who hurts them. This council is not to be condemned because it may do you good and can do you no harm for the dangerous past. As soon as you have burnt the letter and I hope god will give you the grace to make good use of it, to whose holy protection I commend you. End quote so a random person which obviously knew of what they were doing, tried to save this person. Basically, yes, wow, so this was an anonymous letter, however. However, historians believe that it was Francis Tresham because they were cousins.

31:41 Lord Montague and Tresham was actually one of the more reluctant plotters. Okay. Who had some misgivings and, like I said, he was also by marriage. Yeah, related to these people Related to Lord Montague. Yeah, so the letter was never burned, as was instructed, oh, and instead it was given to several members of Parliament. Oh shit, way to go. So the servant that read the letter, thomas Ward, was a Catholic recusant and related to marriage to the conspirators Christopher and Jack Wright. It is all in the family, folks.

32:21 Yeah, the Wright brothers. He figured Catsby was behind the plot and sent an urgent message to the letter Montague received. But Catsby urged onward so the king was actually given the letter on Novembermber 1st as he was out hunting. oh dear when this happened at the end of october. Okay, the king remained steadfast and waited to capture the men closer to the day of the plot. They're like, let's just see what happens and we'll we'll catch them in the act. Essentially so. The king's men swept the nearby buildings, the houses, the cellars and vaults around Westminster on the night of November 4th. They came into contact with John Johnson.

33:04 Oh, good old John Johnson. Fox. Yeah. Who was guarding a large stockpile of firewood. Sure was. Hidden underneath the firewood was 36 barrels of gunpowder. Okay. The search party didn't stay very long, as Johnson claimed that he was serving Thomas Percy, who was supposed to be around Parliament. Yeah. Upon news about Percy, though, they went back to the vault to search further, because they're like what's he doing? Yeah, it seems a little suspicious. Yeah. So they actually knew that Percycy was actually a catholic agitator. So they're like this doesn't make sense, he's already against us. Let's, let's go double check let's let's investigate further so they found the stockpile and fox was arrested yep so the king asked fox why he was prepared to murder so many innocent people, and Fox replied quote so dangerous a disease required a desperate remedy.

34:04 End quote. There you go. So, upon news of Fox's arrest, the rest of the plotters fled to their prearranged rendezvous. Fled to their prearranged rendezvous. Fox was beat, was brutally interrogated, but he refused to identify his fellow plotters and continued to claim his name to be john johnson. That's impressive. Yeah, so the brutality of fox was actually more of a gradual event. Okay, so there were two forms of torture that were more traditional. Then it was monocles and the rack. So the rack was a very big one. What's the monocles? so fox, who had been transferred to the tower of london, suffered from the monocles like that was pretty well known in history which is being hung by his hands for an extended period of time oh, okay, gotcha the rack, which was never confirmed that he actually received yeah, um, involved a person being stretched by the arms and legs on the large wooden frame until their limbs became dislocated correct.

35:07 So on november 7th, fox caved and revealed his identity and the names of all the conspirators. Oh damn, yeah, Ratted them all out. Yeah, he was tortured pretty bad. Well, I mean torture will do that. That's why they tortured people to get information, whether it be true or not. And they found him on the 4th, and this was the 7th so several days, three days Jeez days, three days geez. So on friday, november 8th, 200 government men found the rendezvous point and a gunfight ensued, so they were all just hanging out there still, oh shit, that seems weird to me, like why would you just hang out there?

35:52 some wanted to flee but but Caspi was like no, we gotta stand strong. What are you standing strong for? Your shit fucking fell through. But they don't entirely know that yet. I guess because. But how do they not know? Because they knew he got arrested and they jumped the gun to go to the Well, they knew that the plot didn't happen. Okay, yeah, okay. So many of the conspirators were shot, but all of them clung to life. Oh, casby actually managed to escape towards the inner rooms of the building that he was in and he picture picked up a picture of the virgin mary and, with the gunshot that he had, died with this picture of Virgin Mary in his arms, like devout, to the very end.

36:46 That's some straight up religious, yeah, wow. Eventually only eight were sent back to London. The rest died In this gunfire. So five died because there was 13 who said right? Well, guy Fawkes was part of that. Yeah, okay. Well, guy Fawkes was still in the Tower of London, not the rendezvous point. No, I know that. So the eight that came back to London all signed confessions, of course. So at a trial in January of 1606, all of the accused were found guilty of treason and sentenced to death by hanging oh dear drawing and quartering the isn't drawn and quartered, part of the same torture or execution, I guess, to explain okay, I mean, I know what it is, but yes, the the torture, sir edward the torturer.

37:42 Sir Edward Coke described the punishment Quote he shall be strangled, being hanged up by the neck between heaven and earth as deemed unworthy of both, or either, oh dear, as likewise that the eyes of the men may behold and their hearts condemn him. Then he is to be cut down alive and to have his privy parts cut off and burnt before his face as being unworthily begotten and unfit to leave any generation after him hopefully he didn't have any before that his bowels and inlaid parts taken out and burnt, who, inwardly, had conceived and harbored in his heart such horrible treason, after to have his head cut off, which had imagined the mischief, and lastly, his body to be quartered and the quarters set up in some high and eminent place to the view and detestation of men and to become a prey for the fowls of the air.

38:54 Wow. End quote. All right, he was very eloquent. So they're going to get hanged, yes, but not killed. Correct. Taken down. Correct, disemboweled. Correct. Chopped off. Check. Chopped off. Privy parts. And then his head was cut off and then his body quartered to be left to the birds. Yeah, I mean that seems like a bit much. I mean, his head's already fucking cut off, he's dead, just what the fuck? Why do you have to quarter him at that point, jesus Christ? So, between the remaining men, they were going to be executed between two days, okay, january 30th and the 31st.

39:42 Gotcha Fox was the last to die really poor guy so the hangman's noose actually broke his neck and he died instantly and they're like fucker so he didn't get any remaining torture lucky him. I guess because, guess, because you know, Sounds horrendous Well yeah, I mean that's fucking terrible. So King James introduced an act of parliament that declared every year, on November 5th which was the original plot Date Date, His people were to attend a service of thanksgiving in appreciation of the country's escape from such an inhumane act.

40:26 Well, you know, depends on how you look at it. I guess some people believed in it so that continued until 1859, and it kind of evolved into different things. The tradition of marking the day currently is celebrated in the United Kingdom and some Commonwealth countries. Okay, the holiday involves activities such as parades, fireworks, bonfires, and children frequently carry straw effigies of fox which are later tossed into bonfires Poor guy. The holiday could also be called Bonfire Night. Bonfire Night. All right, it could also be called Bonfire. Night, bonfire Night. All right, so fast forward to 2005.

41:06 Okay. There was an ITV program called the Gunpowder Plot Exploding the Legend. All right. And that's they built a replica of the House of Lords. Okay. And they blew it up with one ton of gunpowder. So like 2,000 pounds. The experiment. All right, I guess I'm talking to myself. The experiment showed, the explosion would have killed everybody inside. Oh really. Mm-hmm. So you said one ton of gunpowder. Is that the equivalent to what they had in 1605?

41:48 I would imagine you said what? 36 barrels yeah 36 barrels. I don't obviously know what a barrel of gunpowder weighs, and apparently fox's gunpowder was fairly low quality oh really but they determined that the plant would still have been that deadly. Okay, wow. So if they could have fucking pulled it off, they would have pulled it off. Well, they would have blown up Parliament. I don't know about resurrecting the Catholic religion. I find it funny because I feel like they really put a lot of faith in there and I just I don't know, I don't, you don't know which way it would have went, but I feel like how the fuck?

42:30 We're like, yeah, we're gonna blow shit up and then catholics will rise up again or they're not gonna do anything. Yeah, I mean, they were persecuted a lot in england at that time, so maybe a lot of them were like let's just lay low and see what happens so do me a favor and and quote the nursery rhyme that has come about I mean I can do the beginning. Yes, and it's, it's in vig for vendetta. Well, so you can say the beginning, but there is a rhyme. Remember, remember, the 5th of November, the gunpowder treason and plot, for I know of no reason why the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot.

43:14 And then it continues on. The part I don't know. Guide Fox, guide tis, our intent to blow up the king and his parliament. Three score barrels laid below to prove old England's overthrow by gold's providence. He got catched with dark lantern and burning match, a stick in his stake for King George's sake and a rope in a cart to hang Bonaparte. Pope, pope, spanish pope, nobody's news is coming to town. A half penny low to feed old Pope and a penny worth of cheese to choke him, a pint of beer to drink his health and a two penny faggot to burn him. Burn his body from his head, and then we'll say old Pope is dead. Holla boys, holla, make your voice ring.

43:56 Holla boys, holla. God save the king. Hip, hip, hooray. Yeah, I mean obviously again, again I learned my part that I said from the movie. From the movie I never knew there was more to it than that so uh when you told me that. I'm like really, but, and I'll be honest, the first part is way better than the second part. It's so great, but I think it also really kind of sounds better because I just picture hugo weaving, yeah, saying it, because his voice is so great. I love, I love listening to his voice in movies and that's all you see, or see, that's all you hear really is his voice.

44:38 You don't ever actually see him in the movie because of the mask. So, like, his whole character is his voice, which makes sense because he's trying to create a voice for this whole thing. And uh, yeah, the way he says it's just fantastic. So, yeah, I was surprised that there was another part. I had no idea there was another part to that whole little nursery rhyme or whatever. Yeah, you want to call it, I guess. But yeah, I mean remember, remember the 5th of november. That's why I I watch, I'll watch it not just on the date, but I usually watch v for vendetta on- I mean I'll watch it a couple times a year like it's just so good. No, I love that movie.

45:19 I remember going to see it. I was with another person at the time than my current wife and she was kind of like about it and I'm like, no, let's go. This looks to me, this looks fucking amazing and it was made by well, at the time, the wachowski brothers. Now they're the wachowski sisters who made the matrix um phenomenal movies as well. But, um, uh, I'm like let's go see this movie. This looks really good. I absolutely fucking loved it. I think she liked it. I don't care if she did, but I think she did she's no longer in the picture. no, she's gone. So I liked it so much and I tend to do this we we mentioned a gladiator at one point in our conversations, like I love that movie and I'm like I got to go see that again.

46:08 Same thing Did the same thing for V, for Veneta. Um, I loved it so much. I'm like I'm going back to see that in the theater, cause I love going to the theater. That's why I wish they would make better movies again, again, like they used to. That's why I wish they made better movies. The last four years have sucked. There's been a couple gems, don't? get me wrong. Like I'm super excited for the new deadpool movie and, yes, this is dating when we're recording this, but I really don't care. Yeah, um, because they're just it's been all reboots or remakes and nothing original and so on. So, yeah, I'm like excited for a movie, for a change. It's been a while, yeah. And like, yeah, gladiator, super cool that they're finally making a second one.

46:53 but it's like okay, yeah, it's like the first one was good by itself. First one was amazing. It could have been a standalone. Yeah, it should have been a standalone. Well, we can't say it should have been. We don't know that yet. Let's see what they do. Independence Day should have been a standalone that's not wrong, but yeah, I do enjoy my at least for sure, once a year viewing of V for Vendetta on November. Yeah and yeah, I I also like you watch it a few other times throughout the year too. This is just so good. I love that movie I mean, that's a movie that I can have in the background.

47:34 Now I know it so well that yeah if I, if I just want some background noise, it's perfect for that, because I just know it so well and I can pop in whenever and know exactly what's happening. So, yeah, I do rather enjoy that. I did not know that there was that many people 13, right you said that were involved technically and that it started out with just the five and it grew to that and it wasn't even guy fox, he was the one, he was the first one that was caught well, and that's what all cats be that's what I also found funny, because I talked to you about that whereas, um, yeah, they, he's the face of it only because he was the first one that was caught.

48:18 He literally was pretty inconsequential through the whole thing because he was just guarding the the warehouse, warehouse, was it, or whatever it was yeah, it was storeroom storeroom. That's what it was um he, he got all the gunpowder because of his standing in the in the spanish army yeah, well, I don't know if he got all the gunpowder, but no, he knew how much was needed and right, etc. Because of his history in the army. Yeah, he had some knowledge to that. Basically, oh dear, I have to go and I apologize, I know. Holy shit, stop. I'm sorry. It's probably because I need another beer and my beer is empty. How's your beer? You haven't drank much of it.

48:58 I like it. I've been talking. I know you can have some it. I've been talking, I know you can have some it's really good. Okay, I liked it. I really liked it actually. Well, yeah, so, like that's, one thing we like to do is try some different beers. We tell our thoughts on it when we're podcasting. We enjoy beers, nice and citrusy. Yeah. It's not super IPA. Typically Happy, nice and citrusy. Yeah, it's not super ipa, uh. Typically uh hazier type ipas won't be okay, whereas, like mine, being an imperial ipa is definitely going to be on the more hop forward part of it, where yours is going to be more of that juicy, citrusy yeah uh, flavor, I guess.

49:41 But uh, I'm glad you like it though, because I know you're not a huge ipa fan. You like some of them that you've tried. That you told me, but I know you're not. You like your well, medello and stuff like that. I've got a medello on my table next to me next to your other beer and these are the what, the 19.2, right, I believe, size. Let's look, this is great. One pint, yep, 19.2. So these are the big beers, single serve beers, but they're good. No, I, I like the buddha ranger and I know we've tried the bells, which is part of their the same family nowadays. So yeah but yeah, we'll get to that possibly well well I suppose I suppose all right, buffoons, that's it for today's episode buckle up, because we've got another historical adventure waiting for you.

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