April 28, 2025

Run for the Roses: History of the Kentucky Derby

Run for the Roses: History of the Kentucky Derby
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Fascinators, mint juleps, and a centuries-old tradition that nearly collapsed—the Kentucky Derby's rich history goes far beyond the track.

How did a 24-year-old architect's twin spires design become an American icon? What catastrophic argument nearly destroyed America's premier horse race? And why must every competing thoroughbred be exactly three years old? Our Derby Day episode traces horse racing from ancient Greek chariot competitions to today's multimillion-dollar spectacle.

When Meriwether Lewis Clark (grandson of the famous explorer) built Churchill Downs in 1874, his vision for a prestigious racing establishment faltered under mismanagement and financial strain. By 1894, the Kentucky Derby was bankrupt and ridiculed in the press. It took the unlikely intervention of a merchant tailor with childhood memories of the first Derby to transform this failing local event into a national institution.

Discover how Colonel Matt Winn's business savvy and innovative betting machines saved racing in Kentucky, setting the stage for beloved traditions like the 554-rose garland, elaborate hats that rival any cosplay convention, and bourbon-soaked celebrations. We explore how a single horse race grew to symbolize American sporting heritage and style, complete with its own rules, rituals, and remarkable resilience.

Whether you're a racing enthusiast or just appreciate a good comeback story, our mint julep-fueled journey through Derby history will leave you ready to don your most extravagant headwear and cheer for the "Run for the Roses."


https://www.britannica.com/sports/horse-racing/The-state-of-racing

https://www.britannica.com/sports/Kentucky-Derby

https://www.americanheritage.com/history-kentucky-derby



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00:00 - Meet the History Buffoons

06:32 - Origins of Horse Racing

15:42 - The Birth of Churchill Downs

26:53 - The Derby's Near-Death Experience

35:41 - Saving the Kentucky Derby

47:32 - Racing Innovations and Rebirth

52:56 - Derby Traditions: Hats and Mint Juleps

01:02:16 - The Triple Crown Legacy

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Oh, hey there, oh hey there, I'm Kate.

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And I'm Bradley.

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And this is History Buffins.

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Yeah, on video.

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Holy shit, this is nerve-wracking.

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I don't likeins yeah on video Holy shit, this is nerve-wracking.

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I don't like it.

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I don't like it one bit.

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We have never done this before, because well.

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And I look like a goof.

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I mean A buffoon.

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That's where I was going to go.

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Well, you can imagine, I am dressed like this for a specific reason.

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Do tell.

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The Kentucky Derby is coming up.

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It sure is.

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Yes, it's one of my favorite things to watch each year.

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It's the fastest two minutes in sports, two minutes in sports ever.

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Yes, yes, I um.

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We are going to talk about the biggest cosplay event outside of any convention center.

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I mean, is it cosplay?

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It kind of is.

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I feel like in a way, it could be.

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These people don't dress like that.

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Not normally.

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Not with the hats.

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No, those are some giant fucking hats.

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Yes, but uh, you know, I don't wear hats, I don't I want a big noggin.

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I know it's hard for me to find hats.

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I have to order them online and I get too warm all the time, so I usually don't wear hats.

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Yeah, keeps too much heat in.

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Yeah, that's why I put socks on.

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What, the what.

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Because that's where my heat escapes.

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Your heat escapes from your head.

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Mine escape from my feet.

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Yeah, so my oldest brother likes to.

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He collects hats, kind of.

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He'll always buy new ones and he's always wearing them.

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And I wasn't trying to flip you off, I had an itch A fucking itch.

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I had a fucking itch.

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So he'll buy hats all the time and he gets the fitted ones, not what the cool kids call snapbacks.

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These days, I just call those hats.

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I had an argument with a kid who was like 10 years younger than me about it once at work Because of their hats.

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He calls them snapbacks.

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I'm like they're just called fucking hats or caps.

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There's hats or fitted hats.

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I guess that's where my brain went, but either way, yeah, we can never find fitted ones that fit my head though, yeah, whereas my brother can.

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So apparently I got the large dome in the family.

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Ouch Feel bad for your mother.

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Well, you know, epidural.

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I wouldn't know.

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Well, no, neither would you, no, no I wouldn't, okay, tell, tell us what we're drinking today.

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So I made us, uh, mint juleps, because that's the official beverage of the kentucky derby.

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Kate is not what you would call a big bourbon person at all, so I did tell her that if she can't get through this, it's kind of fogging up from the cold, from the ice, did you find it?

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Yeah.

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So Kate was so nice to get us.

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You can't tell.

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No, well, we'll take a picture when they're not so cloudy, from the, from the ice.

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But uh, kate was nice enough to get us mint julep cups with um, that was weird.

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What was that?

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I don't know what I did was that your stomach growling?

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No promise I'm very full yes, but uh, she got us some in julep julep cups with that actually say Phone's 2025 on it.

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So we're commemorating our first ever video with Julep cups oh please.

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There we go Drink from the bottom.

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Do I have to touch the bottom?

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That's preferred, unless you want a whole bunch of bourbon right away.

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That's a piece of mint, okay.

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You'll get that from time to time.

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Oh, that's fucking good.

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I can't go to the bottom because nothing's soaking up.

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There we go.

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That's minty.

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Well, it is a mint julep.

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It's very sweet.

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Yes, it's from the simple syrup, for sure.

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So what's the ingredients?

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Bourbon to make the simple syrup.

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Was that a strong one?

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The sweet one actually okay, um, you can buy like pre-made simple syrup.

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I just make my own because it's just water and powdered.

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Wow that was mint, um powdered sugar and water to make my own, and then obviously the mint bourbon and I used.

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The recipe I got all these years ago was uh, with you, just top it off with some white soda.

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I usually use sprite, so yeah, but yeah cheers, don't choke drinking the mint, pardon, me okay, so you also I did print it off the odds and the horses so we can, so we can try to pick which one is gonna win you said you like sovereignty for the name.

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Yes, yes, I think that name is pretty nice.

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I like it, it's a nine to two odds, which I don't understand.

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The odds.

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I am still the two specifically.

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I'm probably wrong because I'm a buffoon, but I think that's the favorite.

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Oh, you think so.

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I believe.

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I am not 100% sure.

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Okay.

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But you could probably look it up real quick if you want to.

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I really don't Okay.

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I'm going to pick Sovereignty solely on the name, because out of all the names, I really like that one.

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I mean, I like it.

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That's a good name.

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I am going to go with Burnham Square.

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I like that one.

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That's a good name, yeah that's my, that's my eight and one odds, not terrible, he's out of the number one, so he might get pushed against the the fence, but you know I um.

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I also like the name citizen bull I do like that one yes and owen and Owen Almighty.

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I think that's great, yeah.

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And then Flying Mohawk I think that's pretty epic.

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That's a pretty great one.

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I'm not going to lie Flying Mohawk.

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Who doesn't like that?

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And California Burrito.

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California.

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Burrito, but my pick is Sovereignty Okay.

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Mine's Burnham Square.

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So we will see who, if either of us even come close and uh get those picks right.

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But uh, let's uh learn some history on the derby on the biggest cosplay event outside of a convention center.

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Okay I feel like I've heard that before so I this is actually going to be a little of a Q&A yes, there's only 11 questions, okay, so it's not like rapid fire or anything, right, but you know a lot about horse racing.

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You know enough.

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I know a decent amount.

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You had a horse.

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I did have a horse.

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yes, and what was her name?

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Her regular name was Molly.

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And what was her racing name?

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Is that what you would call it?

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Her, her, so she wasn't or like a certified name.

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I don't know how that works.

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I'm trying to remember the what they called it, so she wasn't a racehorse, she, uh, she was just in like the hunter jumpers, which is like going over fences and stuff and whatever.

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Uh, uh, her name for that was indulgence.

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Oh, that's sweet yeah I like that too.

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I didn't pick it.

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I like it though.

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No, I do too yeah but her name was molly and she was a sweet horse and she loved me yeah, it was great.

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What kind of horse was she?

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Do you recall she was a thoroughbred does that not help you?

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Yeah, well, I was expecting, like an Arabian horse.

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That's a different than a thoroughbred or a.

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Pelomino.

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That's different than both of those, oh, okay.

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Different than a quarter horse, different than a Pertron, a Clydesdale.

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I thought it was like an overall general horse.

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No, and then there are.

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A thoroughbred is a specific type of horse, oh, I didn't know that that is the only type of horse you will see in the derby okay, yeah when most of them will be male.

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Once in a while you'll see a female and one or two sometimes in the races, but most of them are males typically.

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But you will see some okay female horses race.

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Well, do you know how far back horse racing goes?

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I'm going to go to when we domesticated horses.

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Way before that.

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So there was horse racing before we domesticated horses.

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I mean, can you really domesticate horses?

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I mean yeah.

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I mean, can you really not domesticate them?

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Well, yeah, you have wild horses, I suppose so I mean those still exist somewhere in the world, I'm sure they really do.

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Yeah, it's a real thing well, the very first race actually does remain a mystery, because it wasn't written down so it was before, uh, written history.

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Basically, I don't know Fair enough.

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But we do know that ancient Greeks were pretty serious about it, oh really.

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They had chariot races.

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Oh, sure, yeah.

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Yeah, and bareback riding events in their Olympics.

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Yeah, chariots of fire.

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So that was between 700 and 40 BC.

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Holy shit, yeah, so a long time ago.

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Wow, and they loved their horse racing.

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I'm sure they did.

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It was a big organized public event.

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Right.

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So then, beyond Greece and Rome, the details get a little fuzzy.

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Okay.

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But China, persia, arabia, north Africa are likely in on it as well.

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Right, and then those areas were pretty good with horsemanship, sure, and that's where we get the horses like the Arabian horse, the Barb and the Turk horses.

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Okay.

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And I guess that's kind of why I thought maybe these are thoroughbreds, you know like a subsect, I guess is what I was kind of thinking of.

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Yeah, no, they're a specific type yeah, so um in medieval england, horse races um started becoming like a sales pitch oh so professional riders would show off horses speed for potential buyers.

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Oh, gotcha, and richard the lionheart even put up a prize, a whopping 40 pounds for a three mile race with knights on the saddles like actual knights, like sword and everything yeah yeah, lance a lot kind of night.

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Yeah, oh wow, yeah nice and then in the 16th century, henry the eighth, oh um, brought in some top notch horses from it Italy and Spain, probably, barbs, okay and they started their own breeding programs, gotcha.

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So the 17th century saw that James, I was sponsoring races in England and Charles I was quite a horse enthusiast.

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How so.

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He owned a stable of 139 horses Holy shit, that's a lot of horses.

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Well, I would say that's an enthusiast.

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How so he owned a stable of 139 horses?

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Holy shit, that's a lot of horses.

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Well, I would say that's an enthusiast.

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I mean, I would say that's a connoisseur, holy shit.

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That's an over-the-top connoisseur.

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I mean, he had the funds.

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What do you think of it?

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That was bourbon.

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That was a whole lot of bourbon in that drink.

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That's all right, we brought you a backup beer just in case.

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Yes, we did.

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So in France the first recorded race happened in 1651.

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Okay, who won?

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It was a battle between two noblemen.

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So it was just a two-person race.

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Yep Gotcha no idea Okay.

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One of the noblemen won One of the two won Well.

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I mean, you're not wrong, we'll just say that.

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Hopefully they finished.

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I don't know.

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Well, I mean, I would think, so Under.

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Louis XIV, did you have to count the V-I-I's and all that?

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The.

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X-I-V I like the hand gestures too, x-i-v.

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Do you think people used to do that outside of his palace and shit?

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Why did you say why?

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I don't know, I am so glad Okay.

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Oh, by the working men.

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Shut up.

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So under Louis XIV, horse racing got really popular, and that's when they kind of started getting gambling involved.

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Okay, and he decided to get a little bit more organized and he created a jockey club gotcha and he set up, like more of the like, official rules.

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Okay, so he required horses to have proof of their origins and made foreign horses carry extra weight in races, which I'm not sure why interesting.

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Maybe they're not thoroughbreds, maybe not, but why would they have to wear, carry extra weight?

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maybe so that they're all.

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Their weight is somewhat equal I mean, I guess maybe so, like if the horse weighed, we'll just use pounds, because that's what we use 100 pounds, but this horse weighs 120.

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You had to put 20 pounds on the other horse, yeah, kind of thing.

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Or like what their armor weighed and all or whatever.

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They wore kind of thing yeah I wonder yeah, I mean, very well could be and also, did they train with the weight?

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because if not, then damn damn they'd be like what's this extra 20?

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pounds.

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Do you think the horse would be like man?

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You put on some fucking weight.

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Maybe lay off the rotisserie chicken.

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Are you hungry all of a sudden again?

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No, okay.

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So across the pond in North America hey, that's us.

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Organized racing started when the British took over New Amsterdam, which was New York, in 1664.

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Right, okay so, colonel Richard Nichols was a British commander and he set up a two mile race course on Long Island and named it New Market after the famous British track.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, so I feel like my headphones are slipping.

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Because of your.

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Maybe Okay.

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I feel like my headphones are slipping Because of your Maybe Okay.

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So he even offered a silver cup as a prize for the best horse.

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Hey, and then, up until the Civil War, the focus in American racing was on stamina as opposed to speed.

00:14:38.932 --> 00:14:43.139
Okay, so distance more than Mm-hmm Okay.

00:14:43.522 --> 00:14:48.350
More than speed, yeah, but after the war, speed became the name of the game.

00:14:48.350 --> 00:14:53.389
And then, and they started modeling the races after the british system gotcha okay.

00:14:53.389 --> 00:15:02.328
So kentucky's reputation as a prime location for breeding top tier racehorses has roots that go back pretty far.

00:15:02.328 --> 00:15:14.384
Sure, john Filson was an author of the 1784 book, the Discovery Settlement and Present State of Kentucky, ending in an E, not a Y.

00:15:14.384 --> 00:15:15.488
Really Mm-hmm.

00:15:16.070 --> 00:15:16.932
Kentucky.

00:15:17.033 --> 00:15:17.533
Kentucky.

00:15:18.096 --> 00:15:18.596
That's weird.

00:15:18.596 --> 00:15:19.620
I've never seen that before.

00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:23.312
He highlighted a bunch of the area's natural advantages.

00:15:23.312 --> 00:15:44.865
Okay, so horses weren't really any kind of focus in his book, but it it painted more of a vivid picture of, like the, the climate and the landscape and and and the resources of what we know as kentucky right so the early promotion of kentucky's abundance contributed to the region's later association with successful breeding horses.

00:15:45.025 --> 00:15:45.306
Okay.

00:15:45.466 --> 00:15:45.687
Okay.

00:15:45.687 --> 00:15:53.634
So even before Kentucky officially became a state, Louisville was already deep into horse racing.

00:15:53.634 --> 00:15:54.534
What do you call it?

00:15:54.534 --> 00:15:56.937
Louisville, louisville, louisville.

00:15:56.937 --> 00:16:01.750
These are funny, it's fine, it's fine.

00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:03.841
Everything's fine.

00:16:03.841 --> 00:16:04.403
I believe in you.

00:16:04.543 --> 00:16:05.485
I still look pretty right.

00:16:05.485 --> 00:16:12.376
Oh, that's great.

00:16:12.376 --> 00:16:16.187
So, well done.

00:16:16.206 --> 00:16:16.346
Yeah.

00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:28.591
So they were starting to have issues with the races being in the middle of town, and so the city leader started pushing for proper race tracks to be built.

00:16:28.611 --> 00:16:29.254
Oh, I see Okay.

00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:36.211
So they realized that things were just getting, they were just getting unorganized and the downtown streets were getting busy.

00:16:36.211 --> 00:16:42.850
So that kind of paves the way for Meriwether Clark.

00:16:43.392 --> 00:16:44.193
Meriwether Clark.

00:16:44.461 --> 00:16:46.572
Do you know who he might be named after Meriwether?

00:16:46.572 --> 00:16:47.114
Meriwether Clark?

00:16:47.114 --> 00:16:48.220
Do you know who he might be named after Meriwether?

00:16:48.220 --> 00:16:50.388
This is your first question, by the way.

00:16:50.388 --> 00:16:54.349
Who is Meriwether Clark named after?

00:16:54.710 --> 00:16:55.272
Lewis and Clark.

00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:56.785
Yes, good job.

00:16:56.785 --> 00:16:58.580
Yeah, you're looking at it.

00:16:58.580 --> 00:17:01.447
His full name is Meriwether Lewis Clark.

00:17:01.580 --> 00:17:02.625
Well, fucking A-rated it is.

00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:03.761
And he is.

00:17:03.761 --> 00:17:08.111
I think he was the grandson of Clark.

00:17:08.111 --> 00:17:08.932
Oh, really yeah.

00:17:09.460 --> 00:17:10.805
Oh, so they're actually related.

00:17:10.805 --> 00:17:12.210
Okay, gotcha.

00:17:13.701 --> 00:17:14.884
Good job on your first question.

00:17:14.903 --> 00:17:16.146
Well, thank you, you're very welcome.

00:17:16.146 --> 00:17:17.549
Sweet Time to go.

00:17:18.092 --> 00:17:18.271
Whoa.

00:17:18.271 --> 00:17:23.010
So Clark traveled abroad to Europe a lot and he witnessed something that America didn't have at the time.

00:17:23.010 --> 00:17:23.131
What?

00:17:23.131 --> 00:17:25.459
So Clark traveled abroad to Europe a lot and he witnessed something that America didn't have at the time.

00:17:25.459 --> 00:17:25.578
What?

00:17:25.578 --> 00:17:27.943
Was that Horse racing for the fancy.

00:17:28.865 --> 00:17:30.628
For the fancy For the fancy.

00:17:30.628 --> 00:17:31.711
You mean like fancy people?

00:17:32.192 --> 00:17:32.551
Yeah.

00:17:32.813 --> 00:17:33.314
Oh shit.

00:17:33.453 --> 00:17:33.733
Yeah.

00:17:34.019 --> 00:17:39.306
Like the top tier people, not them bottom tier people who are we?

00:17:39.306 --> 00:17:40.949
We're mid-tier.

00:17:41.390 --> 00:17:41.932
Mid-tier.

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At best.

00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:45.645
That's very high of ourselves.

00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:47.988
I mean shoot for the stars right.

00:17:49.221 --> 00:17:50.487
Those are the top-tier people.

00:17:51.621 --> 00:17:54.529
Well, that's what we're shooting for, okay, or at whatever.

00:17:55.420 --> 00:18:10.830
So his experience over in Europe, he sparked an idea to create a jockey club in Louisville, Gotcha to create a jockey club in louisville, gotcha, and he aimed both to promote races and also showcase the city's top notch horses essentially okay.

00:18:10.830 --> 00:18:17.088
Two years later, in 1874, he he did make it happen, building a racetrack on land owned by his uncles.

00:18:17.088 --> 00:18:22.020
Oh, john and henry churchill number question number two what is the name of the track?

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Churchill Downs.

00:18:23.782 --> 00:18:24.243
Correct.

00:18:24.243 --> 00:18:28.769
And question number three do you know what Downs?

00:18:29.750 --> 00:18:34.035
means Well, in this day and age it's a sickness or whatever.

00:18:34.515 --> 00:18:34.796
Is it?

00:18:35.115 --> 00:18:35.435
I don't know.

00:18:39.432 --> 00:18:42.862
Down syndrome, you're not wrong.

00:18:42.862 --> 00:18:45.023
But, that was a direction I was not expecting.

00:18:45.263 --> 00:18:47.066
I couldn't pass that up.

00:18:47.246 --> 00:18:57.195
So, before formal racetracks existed, horse races were often held on natural grassy plains, which were referred to as downs.

00:18:57.215 --> 00:18:58.817
Oh, I did not know that, okay.

00:18:59.220 --> 00:19:29.827
So historically it indicated often rolling grassy terrain um, and the track officially opened its gates, known as churchill downs, on may 17th 1875 and the very first kentucky derby was held that day and do you know like this one is the 151st running of the so I don't, I don't get that well, because they this is the 151st time they're running it, because it started then, so it ran right away.

00:19:29.827 --> 00:19:32.826
See, and that's what confused me.

00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:34.339
Because you think it should only be 150.

00:19:34.339 --> 00:19:37.079
Because I was like this would be 150 this time, but I was like, why is it 151?

00:19:37.539 --> 00:19:39.728
Because it's 150 if you just go off of years.

00:19:39.807 --> 00:19:40.048
Yeah.

00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:41.862
But it's actually happening this year.

00:19:41.862 --> 00:19:44.124
But it's actually happening this year 151st time.

00:19:44.124 --> 00:19:45.085
Yeah correct.

00:19:45.884 --> 00:19:47.307
Well, we just missed it by a year.

00:19:47.307 --> 00:19:48.407
That's fine.

00:19:49.028 --> 00:19:52.070
Well, no, it was, we watched it last year.

00:19:52.771 --> 00:19:56.154
I would dress up like this at the 567th song.

00:19:56.816 --> 00:19:58.057
Or the 12th, who knows.

00:19:58.339 --> 00:19:59.340
Whatever Back in time, who was the very first?

00:19:59.340 --> 00:20:00.001
This is question number four.

00:20:00.001 --> 00:20:00.682
I'm not going to get this right.

00:20:00.682 --> 00:20:02.005
Who was the very first?

00:20:02.005 --> 00:20:03.046
This is question number four.

00:20:03.366 --> 00:20:04.107
I'm not going to get this right?

00:20:04.127 --> 00:20:05.890
Who was the very first horse that won?

00:20:06.290 --> 00:20:07.632
Very first horse that won.

00:20:07.632 --> 00:20:09.915
I have no fucking idea.

00:20:09.915 --> 00:20:13.479
I had to phonetically spell it out oh, okay.

00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:14.721
So bear with me.

00:20:15.262 --> 00:20:15.784
I always do.

00:20:16.263 --> 00:20:17.226
Aristides.

00:20:18.868 --> 00:20:21.694
Say it one more time Aristides.

00:20:21.694 --> 00:20:24.442
Aristides, I have never heard of that horse.

00:20:24.563 --> 00:20:25.365
Aristides.

00:20:25.886 --> 00:20:26.650
Interesting yes.

00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:30.704
So the Kentucky Debr Error.

00:20:33.270 --> 00:20:34.534
Hold on, this will help.

00:20:34.534 --> 00:20:36.126
Well, it usually does.

00:20:36.126 --> 00:20:39.969
I'm plowing through mine, so I should have brought a beer too.

00:20:39.969 --> 00:20:42.644
Wow, that was something.

00:20:43.047 --> 00:20:50.055
Woo Woo, you can move to the beer if you'd like.

00:20:50.055 --> 00:20:51.766
That's tasty, it is really good.

00:20:52.462 --> 00:20:53.527
I kind of wish I had two of them.

00:20:53.527 --> 00:20:57.059
I should maybe set mine down for a minute.

00:20:57.942 --> 00:21:01.931
The Kentucky Derby was first run at a mile and a half.

00:21:02.311 --> 00:21:02.571
Right.

00:21:02.752 --> 00:21:06.009
Yes, the Epsom Derby in England was run at a distance of a mile and a half, right?

00:21:06.009 --> 00:21:08.958
Yes, the Epsom Derby in England was run at a distance of a mile and a half.

00:21:08.958 --> 00:21:15.613
Yes, and that influenced Clark's decision to run the derby at the same distance.

00:21:15.613 --> 00:21:16.013
Okay.

00:21:16.013 --> 00:21:21.278
However, the mile and a half was later deemed a little bit too demanding for thoroughbreds.

00:21:21.278 --> 00:21:26.290
Okay, especially so early on in the racing season.

00:21:26.632 --> 00:21:26.932
Gotcha.

00:21:27.059 --> 00:21:31.930
So they shortened it to a mile and A quarter.

00:21:31.930 --> 00:21:33.433
A quarter, that's right, a quarter.

00:21:34.099 --> 00:21:36.165
You mean like 25 cent 25 cent.

00:21:36.607 --> 00:21:37.509
Okay, next question.

00:21:37.630 --> 00:21:37.851
Yes.

00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:40.744
How old do the horses have to be to compete?

00:21:41.025 --> 00:21:41.686
Three years old.

00:21:41.727 --> 00:21:42.146
Correct.

00:21:42.146 --> 00:21:45.678
So they have to have reached their third year.

00:21:45.678 --> 00:21:51.102
That means the horse only has one opportunity in his lifetime to compete in the Kentucky Derby.

00:21:51.182 --> 00:21:51.563
Correct.

00:21:51.563 --> 00:21:54.497
Do you know what the horse's typical birthday is?

00:21:55.479 --> 00:21:55.720
No.

00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:57.063
January 1st why.

00:21:57.550 --> 00:21:58.515
Just to make it all even.

00:21:58.875 --> 00:22:00.776
Apparently I never understood that.

00:22:01.590 --> 00:22:15.990
The ex always told me I never fucking understood and I didn't look into it, but apparently never fucking understood and I didn't look into it, but apparently I mean it would make sense if, if someone is like I don't know three years and 11 months right or, excuse me, two years and 11 months.

00:22:15.990 --> 00:22:20.770
It's like we can't quite make it, but if your birthday was just but see, and then that's the thing like.

00:22:20.932 --> 00:22:23.799
If you wait another year, you're almost four years old yeah, so it's like.

00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:34.325
So I don't know if that has honestly something to do with it, but I always thought that was a really kind of a weird thing that apparently all their birthdays in quotes again are January 1st.

00:22:34.325 --> 00:22:35.894
At least that's what she told me.

00:22:35.894 --> 00:22:36.718
She could be wrong.

00:22:36.718 --> 00:22:38.056
She was wrong about a lot of things.

00:22:38.950 --> 00:22:42.902
So when I get my cats I don't remember shit.

00:22:42.902 --> 00:22:48.954
So I don't remember when I got them, but I kind of thereabouts know the month, so the first of the month.

00:22:49.297 --> 00:22:49.577
You're right.

00:22:50.010 --> 00:22:50.913
Is their birth date.

00:22:51.276 --> 00:22:51.917
No, I get that.

00:22:52.250 --> 00:22:58.944
Except for Oliver, because unfortunately we had our little baby Simon pass away November 16th in 2020.

00:22:58.944 --> 00:23:05.368
Right, and we got Oliver two days before Christmas, oh, okay, 2020.

00:23:05.368 --> 00:23:07.998
And we're like are we ready for another one, are we not?

00:23:07.998 --> 00:23:10.102
Right, you, christmas 2020.

00:23:10.102 --> 00:23:10.906
And we're like are we ready for another one, are we not?

00:23:10.906 --> 00:23:12.982
So his is like really the only birth date other than the babies.

00:23:12.982 --> 00:23:14.796
I know when the babies were born because I was there.

00:23:15.151 --> 00:23:16.777
So is that the gotcha date or the birth date?

00:23:17.789 --> 00:23:22.974
So excuse me, you're right, Oliver is my gotcha date, so that is his birth date.

00:23:22.974 --> 00:23:29.278
For us, Penny and Frankie, it's the first of whatever month we chose.

00:23:29.278 --> 00:23:33.203
And then Penny's babies, Bonnie and Amos.

00:23:33.203 --> 00:23:37.558
We actually do know their birth dates Well because you actually had them as kittens and all that yes.

00:23:37.849 --> 00:23:50.923
Whereas for one of my cats of the three remaining I know specifically when she was born Because I was there, which I still love, if she was born on 6, 6 of 06.

00:23:50.923 --> 00:23:53.714
So it's really is that wicked?

00:23:53.714 --> 00:24:04.099
Yep, well, baby, wicked, she's so sweet I got to see her mama, uh jasper, birth her in the farm in the, in the barn up in the hayloft.

00:24:04.099 --> 00:24:10.787
So I love the but yeah, so I actually got to see her, see her be born.

00:24:10.867 --> 00:24:13.273
So that's awesome, yeah because we knew she was going to pop soon.

00:24:13.273 --> 00:24:15.618
And sure shit, sure shit, there it was.

00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:23.821
So okay, so yes thoroughbreds are a specific breed of horse known for their speed and agility.

00:24:23.821 --> 00:24:28.538
Yes, making them the ideal breed for racing, correct?

00:24:28.538 --> 00:24:52.086
So horses must all also qualify for the kentucky derby earning points, like there's a whole point system, um, in designated races called road to the kentucky derby yeah, they have a bunch ofhmm that they're racing pretty much months up to and even, I think, the prior year, if I'm not mistaken.

00:24:52.170 --> 00:24:53.797
I don't recall that part.

00:24:53.797 --> 00:25:01.884
Okay, but there are a specific number of races in the Road to the Kentucky Derby, gotcha.

00:25:01.884 --> 00:25:04.278
Next question how many races are there?

00:25:05.450 --> 00:25:06.011
That I'm not.

00:25:06.011 --> 00:25:07.880
I don't know the answer to that 36.

00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:10.852
Holy shit, yeah, shit, yeah, way more than I was gonna guess.

00:25:11.373 --> 00:25:21.721
I was gonna go with like five so this system ensures that the horses competing in the derby are amongst the best of their age group well, which makes sense.

00:25:21.780 --> 00:25:26.719
You don't want some guy who, some horse that just got lucky on this race.

00:25:26.719 --> 00:25:31.057
Oh, you get to go to the derby now, yeah, but yeah, he would have sucked the next 20 races, kind of thing.

00:25:31.238 --> 00:25:36.755
So yeah, it weeds out yeah the not as good horses yeah, oh, but they're still so cute.

00:25:36.755 --> 00:25:51.762
Oh, like, we'll keep you molly could have never raced in the derby but she was fucking adorable yeah so now, despite kentucky, the kentucky derby's initial popularity, yeah mr merriweather lewis Clark didn't have a great management style.

00:25:51.910 --> 00:25:53.636
Well, that really fucked shit up.

00:25:53.636 --> 00:25:56.818
I worked for a company that didn't have a good management style either.

00:25:56.878 --> 00:26:00.278
I know I've known about that with you Fucking terrible.

00:26:00.479 --> 00:26:01.701
Yeah, here's to you.

00:26:01.883 --> 00:26:02.905
Yeah Fuckers.

00:26:02.905 --> 00:26:04.349
No, let's not Nope.

00:26:04.869 --> 00:26:14.285
Clark prioritized extravagant social events over, so he was using it as a status thing more than what it actually was.

00:26:14.285 --> 00:26:15.709
Yeah, okay, makes sense.

00:26:15.709 --> 00:26:15.950
Yeah.

00:26:16.191 --> 00:26:26.599
So he catered a lot to wealthy patrons and he aimed to make Churchill Downs a fashionable destination for the elite.

00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:27.803
Is that why they wear big hats?

00:26:28.570 --> 00:26:30.036
Oh, we're going to talk about that.

00:26:30.036 --> 00:26:30.577
Yeah, we are.

00:26:30.577 --> 00:26:37.419
But his pursuit in the social prestige, clark, neglected the day-to-day operations.

00:26:37.569 --> 00:26:39.266
See, that's not good for a business.

00:26:39.266 --> 00:26:41.675
No, Because that's ultimately what it is.

00:26:41.675 --> 00:26:44.217
I mean, it's horse racing, and horse racing is a business.

00:26:44.217 --> 00:26:46.557
You need to kind of focus on that part too.

00:26:49.130 --> 00:26:53.862
Let's just say he lacked the necessary, necessary competence we got there.

00:26:54.001 --> 00:26:54.703
That was a rough road.

00:26:54.703 --> 00:27:12.105
I also lack the necessary competence I mean, I hope you don't expect an argument shut up so his mismanagement unfortunately led to financial inefficiencies and a lack of profitability.

00:27:12.105 --> 00:27:17.450
Yeah, and that it's funny because, like, obviously he's the one who started it and it's it's still going.

00:27:17.450 --> 00:27:25.492
Today we're talking about it, uh, we're getting ready for the race and yet he fucked it up so did someone swoop in and save it?

00:27:26.115 --> 00:27:28.179
so so yes, 1886.

00:27:28.179 --> 00:27:36.603
Good year Also, yes, but the Kentucky Derby almost imploded over what basically started as a small-time argument.

00:27:37.203 --> 00:27:37.304
Oh.

00:27:37.931 --> 00:27:43.000
It all kicked off when Churchill Downs locked out bookmakers who weren't paying their dues.

00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:44.363
Oh, ruh-roh, ruh-roh.

00:27:44.363 --> 00:27:50.317
So James Ben Ali Hagen what a name.

00:27:50.498 --> 00:27:51.239
I love it.

00:27:51.239 --> 00:27:52.280
That's quite.

00:27:52.280 --> 00:27:53.442
I love it.

00:27:53.442 --> 00:27:57.519
Can you say it one more time, just for James Ben Ali Hagen.

00:27:57.910 --> 00:27:59.375
He was a big shot.

00:27:59.375 --> 00:28:00.398
New York gambler.

00:28:00.598 --> 00:28:00.920
Okay.

00:28:01.111 --> 00:28:09.383
And a horse owner and he had a whole bunch of like top horses to race at the track right.

00:28:09.462 --> 00:28:09.702
Okay.

00:28:10.151 --> 00:28:13.743
So he was furious about the bookies being gone.

00:28:13.743 --> 00:28:14.747
Okay.

00:28:14.747 --> 00:28:17.579
But, he still ran his horse, Ben Ali Ben.

00:28:17.579 --> 00:28:21.000
Ali, he fucking named his horse after himself.

00:28:22.971 --> 00:28:26.296
What a vain character Douche, what a douche?

00:28:26.296 --> 00:28:29.452
Douche canoe.

00:28:30.355 --> 00:28:36.859
But ali won imagine that imagine that but, then hagen dropped a bombshell.

00:28:36.859 --> 00:28:41.593
If the boogies didn't come back, he was pulling all of his horses and he was out of here.

00:28:41.614 --> 00:28:44.780
He was leaving, so he had that much pull.

00:28:44.780 --> 00:28:47.165
Yeah, that it mattered he had that much pull.

00:28:47.165 --> 00:28:47.827
Yeah, that it mattered.

00:28:47.827 --> 00:28:48.589
He had basically all the horses.

00:28:49.490 --> 00:28:51.397
If he pulled the horses, there was no horses.

00:28:52.529 --> 00:28:55.339
Well, that would be a problem for a horse race.

00:28:55.339 --> 00:29:00.440
I love the cross-eyed look every single time you take a sip.

00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:01.674
It's fucking amazing.

00:29:02.631 --> 00:29:04.817
It's the powdered sugar, simple syrup.

00:29:06.131 --> 00:29:07.798
Because, yeah, it's not powdered sugar anymore.

00:29:10.950 --> 00:29:13.721
I like the mint, I like the bourbon.

00:29:13.721 --> 00:29:16.049
I'm thinking maybe no simple syrup and just the sprite.

00:29:17.795 --> 00:29:23.029
See what that tastes like we can do that for you next time for me yeah, yeah, I like the simple syrup.

00:29:23.029 --> 00:29:30.660
I feel like I didn't put enough in mine, but my drink's almost gone which is also sad we might have to do a.

00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:36.436
I feel like I didn't put enough in mine, but my drink's almost gone, which is also sad we might have to do a bridge.

00:29:36.778 --> 00:29:37.440
Let's keep going.

00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:42.451
Let's trudge on here, okay, so.

00:29:42.531 --> 00:29:44.232
Higgins, haggins.

00:29:44.232 --> 00:29:48.795
Haggin, pulling his horses was a major deal.

00:29:48.795 --> 00:29:50.195
It was a big threat.

00:29:50.715 --> 00:29:50.996
Okay.

00:29:51.237 --> 00:29:57.579
Without his horses, the whole racing season, including next year's Derby, would be a major flop, Right.

00:29:57.579 --> 00:30:00.842
So for a moment it looked like they kind of dodged a bullet.

00:30:00.842 --> 00:30:05.084
The bookies and the track reached a quick deal.

00:30:05.325 --> 00:30:05.625
Okay.

00:30:06.444 --> 00:30:09.767
A track official couldn't keep his mouth shut, though.

00:30:10.768 --> 00:30:11.188
What did he?

00:30:11.268 --> 00:30:29.739
say he basically told everyone that he thought Hagen Sorry, rewind he basically told Hagen what he thought of him and where to go.

00:30:31.230 --> 00:30:33.387
To tell him to go to H-E Double Hockey Sticks.

00:30:33.387 --> 00:30:35.329
Yes, holy shit, that is scandalous.

00:30:35.390 --> 00:30:41.336
And of course it got right around to Hagen, hagen's all, like he said what about me?

00:30:41.939 --> 00:30:42.760
No, he didn't.

00:30:42.760 --> 00:30:43.795
No, he didn't.

00:30:46.829 --> 00:30:56.416
So the next morning Hagen was gone, stables were completely empty my horses were leaving, load the train he packed out.

00:30:56.416 --> 00:30:58.202
He packed up just like he said he would.

00:30:58.202 --> 00:31:01.551
A little spat nearly killed the golden goose.

00:31:01.551 --> 00:31:06.721
So sad I think I'm getting a little loopy on this.

00:31:06.721 --> 00:31:08.704
Okay, a little.

00:31:08.704 --> 00:31:10.750
So Hagen went back to New York.

00:31:10.750 --> 00:31:19.584
He convinced all of the other big-name horse owners from the East Coast with top-performing horses, to boycott Churchill Downs.

00:31:19.584 --> 00:31:22.516
Yeah, so the effect was devastating.

00:31:22.516 --> 00:31:22.978
Oh, dear.

00:31:22.978 --> 00:31:27.861
And remember Kentucky wasn't the horse-racing powerhouse that it is today.

00:31:27.941 --> 00:31:28.462
Correct, yeah.

00:31:28.690 --> 00:31:35.270
They couldn't keep the track or the derby running on their own, so interest in the in the race just tanked.

00:31:35.270 --> 00:31:47.760
Oh, and they were getting fields which I'm assuming is like a group of racing horses of only three or four sub par horses oh, so they're getting, like they're getting the mids, not the top tier.

00:31:47.760 --> 00:31:49.403
Yeah, like the buffoons.

00:31:49.403 --> 00:31:56.161
Hello hi, bradley, we're still here, hey we'll show up.

00:31:56.442 --> 00:32:00.294
You can tell kate doesn't drink this type of drink much, very often.

00:32:00.314 --> 00:32:12.923
I drink beer, not liquor, I know sure okay but you know clark tried to keep things afloat, even working without pay and using his own money to cover debts.

00:32:12.923 --> 00:32:20.207
But Churchill Downs was bleeding money anyway and by 1894, the local paper was basically calling the Derby a joke.

00:32:20.207 --> 00:32:22.976
Oh shit, the track went bankrupt.

00:32:27.854 --> 00:32:28.416
What did you do?

00:32:33.490 --> 00:32:34.531
I don't know Something moved on the computer, but why?

00:32:34.531 --> 00:32:35.775
I don't know something moved on the computer, but why?

00:32:35.775 --> 00:32:36.035
I don't know.

00:32:36.035 --> 00:32:39.884
The track went bankrupt and clark completely heartbroken.

00:32:39.884 --> 00:32:47.117
Stepped down well, I mean stepped down at churchill downs he stepped churchill down I sorry, what was that?

00:32:48.220 --> 00:32:48.921
Did you burp?

00:32:48.921 --> 00:32:49.622
I did.

00:32:50.463 --> 00:32:52.914
Finally, I'm not the only one.

00:32:52.914 --> 00:32:55.276
It's because I'm not drinking beer.

00:32:55.276 --> 00:32:55.758
That's why.

00:32:56.329 --> 00:32:58.654
I will release the burp track if you don't shut the fuck up.

00:32:58.654 --> 00:33:01.842
Yeah, that's right.

00:33:01.842 --> 00:33:04.594
That's what I thought, anyways, so it's.

00:33:04.594 --> 00:33:05.837
I don't know what you're talking about.

00:33:05.837 --> 00:33:06.179
I do.

00:33:06.179 --> 00:33:13.540
So the funny thing is, jesus Christ, this might have been the wrong episode to start.

00:33:13.540 --> 00:33:16.308
Holy shitballs.

00:33:16.308 --> 00:33:23.366
Pretty good, right, it's gone, am I right?

00:33:23.366 --> 00:33:27.924
I was trying to say something, but then you were being all Katie.

00:33:27.924 --> 00:33:32.921
I didn't mean it to sound like that, kate E why at the end?

00:33:32.921 --> 00:33:37.015
Ah, jesus, fuck, sorry about that.

00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:39.801
Oh, wow.

00:33:41.269 --> 00:33:42.073
Yeah, that wasn't intended.

00:33:42.232 --> 00:33:46.994
I haven't been called that since last week by a student.

00:33:47.596 --> 00:33:48.057
Well, you know.

00:33:48.430 --> 00:33:51.423
She called me Katie and and I was like what?

00:33:52.166 --> 00:33:54.732
but see, I didn't actually call you katie, I called you kate.

00:33:54.732 --> 00:34:00.002
It wasn't intended for that.

00:34:00.262 --> 00:34:05.653
I apologize, kate okay, you're being all kate.

00:34:06.434 --> 00:34:08.478
Yeah, fucking derailing shit.

00:34:09.398 --> 00:34:11.922
Okay, so for those of you who don't know, Katie is my real name.

00:34:11.922 --> 00:34:12.804
I just prefer Kate.

00:34:13.105 --> 00:34:16.110
Yes, you go by Kate and you have her a very long time.

00:34:16.130 --> 00:34:16.230
Yeah.

00:34:16.409 --> 00:34:20.501
So that's why I feel bad calling her that, because it wasn't intended.

00:34:20.501 --> 00:34:24.278
So, anyways, can we move fucking past this for the love of God, okay?

00:34:25.489 --> 00:34:26.655
So tragically.

00:34:26.655 --> 00:34:35.199
Clark never recovered from stepping down and basically losing the derby, and five years later he was found dead.

00:34:35.221 --> 00:34:37.105
Oh, shit did.

00:34:37.125 --> 00:34:43.702
We know why so or how I should say, gunshot wounds like he was gunned down or he killed himself.

00:34:43.702 --> 00:34:49.856
It's unknown historians don't even know like what happened, if it was self-inflicted or if it was murder.

00:34:50.338 --> 00:34:51.822
That is fucking wild, really.

00:34:51.822 --> 00:34:52.422
Mm-hmm.

00:34:52.422 --> 00:34:54.835
Wow, I had never heard that before.

00:34:54.835 --> 00:34:57.054
I also didn't really know much about him.

00:34:57.054 --> 00:34:58.940
To be honest, that's crazy.

00:34:59.550 --> 00:35:09.362
But after that a group of investors bought Churchill Downs and gave it a makeover, building the famous grandstand with the twin spires.

00:35:09.362 --> 00:35:15.800
They also shortened the distance to a mile and a quarter.

00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:16.922
At this time, Right.

00:35:16.922 --> 00:35:23.934
And they started a tradition of giving the winning horse a blanket of roses, which led to the race being called.

00:35:24.235 --> 00:35:24.936
Race of the Roses.

00:35:25.577 --> 00:35:26.559
Run for the Roses.

00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:27.061
Run for the.

00:35:27.101 --> 00:35:27.201
Roses.

00:35:27.201 --> 00:35:27.922
Yeah, fuck, I knew that.

00:35:27.922 --> 00:35:29.005
That's all right, I meant to say run.

00:35:29.650 --> 00:35:33.659
And even with the changes, the boycott actually did continue to drag on.

00:35:34.181 --> 00:35:34.802
Oh shit.

00:35:35.391 --> 00:35:40.822
Plus, new management cut the prize money, so trainers took their best horses elsewhere.

00:35:41.251 --> 00:35:41.773
Which I mean.

00:35:41.773 --> 00:35:42.777
That's why they're in it.

00:35:42.777 --> 00:35:44.657
So can you stop doing that, yeah.

00:35:51.909 --> 00:35:52.652
You are on fucking camera right now.

00:35:52.652 --> 00:35:53.032
I can't see myself.

00:35:53.032 --> 00:35:57.342
Attendance did keep dropping and the Derby was still getting small, weak fields, sure.

00:35:57.342 --> 00:36:00.340
So a group of forces, right yeah, fields, yeah.

00:36:00.340 --> 00:36:03.739
So by 1902, the investors were pretty much done.

00:36:03.739 --> 00:36:09.123
They wanted to get rid of Churchill Downs basically a financial burden and pass it on to somebody else.

00:36:09.123 --> 00:36:13.355
So just when things looked completely hopeless, along comes Colonel Matt J Winn W-I-N-N.

00:36:13.355 --> 00:36:28.641
He was a merchant tailor and not a big horse track kind of a person.

00:36:28.782 --> 00:36:29.684
Just a business guy.

00:36:29.869 --> 00:36:39.378
He's a businessman, exactly, but he had a lifelong obsession with the Derby because he saw Astricities win as a kid.

00:36:39.378 --> 00:36:40.400
Oh, really yes.

00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:40.983
That's cool.

00:36:41.103 --> 00:36:41.302
Yeah.

00:36:41.302 --> 00:37:01.119
So Wynn took over as a vice president and later general manager and he had this amazing charm and business sense, sure, and he started personally reaching out to, like old louisville fans who used to go to the track offering them seats for the 1903 derby nice, and it worked.

00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:06.824
They brought their friends win, made sure everyone had a great time and they, they did, kept coming back.

00:37:06.824 --> 00:37:11.233
So he like personally invited, sure, all these people, hey you like churchill downs.

00:37:11.233 --> 00:37:12.757
You know several years ago.

00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.092
Please come back like here's a ticket.

00:37:15.092 --> 00:37:27.297
That's a nice touch, though, because it's a personal touch, where it's like he's actually inviting these people instead of just being like hey, you should spend money here yeah kind of thing, yeah, exactly the people felt welcomed and wanted, I guess.

00:37:27.516 --> 00:37:31.623
And for the first time in ages, Churchill Downs did make a profit.

00:37:31.623 --> 00:37:32.045
Wow.

00:37:32.891 --> 00:37:33.695
And you said 03?

00:37:33.695 --> 00:37:34.197
Mm-hmm.

00:37:34.297 --> 00:37:35.673
Okay, so things were looking up.

00:37:35.735 --> 00:37:38.938
Oh, I'm sorry, people used to say, oh, three Anyways.

00:37:41.990 --> 00:37:42.793
Do you want to wear this?

00:37:42.793 --> 00:37:45.715
I kind of do, now you don't have hair for it.

00:37:45.715 --> 00:37:47.476
It'd have to be like a beard clip.

00:37:48.797 --> 00:37:50.532
That would be fucking fantastic.

00:37:50.532 --> 00:37:57.130
Maybe I'll do that for next year's episode stay tuned, folks probably won't happen.

00:37:57.130 --> 00:38:04.083
The beard, the beard thing, that is an episode I'm hoping okay so anyways things were looking up.

00:38:04.451 --> 00:38:10.829
The the derby was still struggling a little bit to attract more than a few local horses and the local fans, right.

00:38:10.829 --> 00:38:17.661
But then there was another problem the whole country was going through an anti-gambling reform phase.

00:38:17.661 --> 00:38:24.804
Oh yeah, and in 1907, the reformers took over Louisville City Hall and banned bookmaking at Churchill Downs.

00:38:24.804 --> 00:38:25.045
That's wild.

00:38:25.045 --> 00:38:26.628
And banned book making at Churchill Downs.

00:38:33.704 --> 00:38:35.130
That's wild Podcast gold.

00:38:35.952 --> 00:38:36.873
Very minty though.

00:38:37.534 --> 00:38:38.195
Mint gold.

00:38:38.878 --> 00:38:41.442
That was the only way people bet on horses.

00:38:41.943 --> 00:38:43.951
Right Was through the bookkeeping Sure.

00:38:43.971 --> 00:38:51.221
So Wynn was stuck the general manager Yep, so he could either use these old-fashioned auction pools.

00:38:51.581 --> 00:38:51.922
Okay.

00:38:51.989 --> 00:38:59.382
Which were basically for rich people, or these new French Paris Moutel.

00:38:59.382 --> 00:39:01.771
What is that now?

00:39:01.771 --> 00:39:03.373
I don't know.

00:39:03.934 --> 00:39:04.835
I don't know either.

00:39:04.936 --> 00:39:08.961
Paris Moutel, paris Moutel Machines, I don't know, okay, I don't know.

00:39:08.961 --> 00:39:10.244
Pare-mutel, pare-mutel Machines, I don't know, okay, I don't know.

00:39:10.244 --> 00:39:16.887
Anyways, auction pools they were like live horse auction, but for betting.

00:39:17.268 --> 00:39:17.409
Okay.

00:39:17.771 --> 00:39:24.244
So each horse was, like, auctioned off to the highest bidder, who basically owned that horse for bidding purposes.

00:39:24.244 --> 00:39:28.019
So spectators bid on the horses before the race.

00:39:28.019 --> 00:39:46.472
The highest bidder for each horse owned that bet pool gotcha if that horse won, the owner got the entire pool minus the house cut okay and then you could also buy partial shares, and horses too, so like buying stock in a horse with no financial stability.

00:39:47.556 --> 00:39:49.681
The problem with that it was pretty sketchy.

00:39:49.681 --> 00:39:53.503
It was open to manipulation, it favored the wealthy and the well-connected.

00:39:53.503 --> 00:40:02.974
Sure, and extremely confusing and chaotic for, like casual fans who were like wanting to like, try their bed you know, maybe hit a couple bucks or whatever yeah, yeah.

00:40:03.213 --> 00:40:07.719
So the paris motels can you stop saying that sorry, but that's what it's called.

00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:08.829
I know, but you say it's Sorry, but that's what it's called.

00:40:08.829 --> 00:40:10.255
I know, but you say it so weird.

00:40:10.951 --> 00:40:12.364
You don't know what it's called anyway.

00:40:12.364 --> 00:40:14.936
I don't know it's probably right.

00:40:14.936 --> 00:40:25.023
I mean it's probably right, Probably Paris Moutels is French for mutual betting.

00:40:25.485 --> 00:40:25.827
Oh, okay.

00:40:26.871 --> 00:40:28.938
And they were kind of perfect for this situation.

00:40:28.938 --> 00:40:33.047
They were fair, allowed small bets and got rid of the bogey corruption.

00:40:33.047 --> 00:40:33.530
All right.

00:40:33.530 --> 00:40:36.867
So those were first used at the Kentucky Derby in 1908.

00:40:36.867 --> 00:40:42.081
Okay, and it replaced auction pools after public demand for fairness and transparency.

00:40:42.481 --> 00:40:42.543
Oh.

00:40:45.570 --> 00:40:46.213
And all bets.

00:40:46.213 --> 00:40:56.074
Basically all bets go into a pool and the odds fluctuate based on how much a bet is on each horse Right After the house or tax cut.

00:40:56.074 --> 00:41:00.001
The pool is then divided among the winning bets.

00:41:00.202 --> 00:41:00.443
Right.

00:41:00.682 --> 00:41:03.668
Okay, so it's also a machine.

00:41:03.668 --> 00:41:10.784
So in the early 20th century, mechanical machines were used to calculate the odds and payouts in real time.

00:41:10.784 --> 00:41:16.222
No app, no Wi-Fi, just gears and cranks and sweaty math guys.

00:41:16.510 --> 00:41:17.815
They didn't have Wi-Fi back then.

00:41:17.815 --> 00:41:19.179
I know right, so weird.

00:41:19.179 --> 00:41:23.418
Oh my God, stop moving Wiffy, stop fucking it up.

00:41:26.070 --> 00:41:28.355
So it won.

00:41:28.355 --> 00:41:30.458
Stop, I'm not used to.

00:41:31.420 --> 00:41:31.900
MacBooks.

00:41:31.900 --> 00:41:33.403
Yeah, I know, sorry about that.

00:41:33.563 --> 00:41:33.844
It's okay.

00:41:33.844 --> 00:41:50.103
It was more fair, more transparent, it allowed anyone to bet small amounts Right, and it let the actual betting public influence the odds, not just the rich auctioning bullies.

00:41:50.103 --> 00:41:53.188
But they hadn't been popular in America before, okay.

00:41:53.188 --> 00:41:54.634
I mean it was Frosch right?

00:41:54.634 --> 00:41:58.398
Frosch Clark even had them and failed to use them.

00:41:58.579 --> 00:41:58.820
Okay.

00:41:59.489 --> 00:42:04.981
So still, wynn went with the mutual betting machines.

00:42:05.021 --> 00:42:05.623
You're welcome.

00:42:05.623 --> 00:42:07.735
You can say what they are, I don't mind.

00:42:08.077 --> 00:42:12.697
The city dug up some old law banning machine betting.

00:42:12.697 --> 00:42:17.110
Because they're in this reform stage this anti-betting stage.

00:42:17.150 --> 00:42:25.534
So the city was like not allowed, so win was left with nothing but those auction pools, which were sure to be banned soon, right?

00:42:25.534 --> 00:42:27.619
So it looked like the derby and churchill downs were sure to be banned soon, right?

00:42:27.619 --> 00:42:30.684
So it looked like the Derby and Churchill downs were going to be doomed again.

00:42:30.684 --> 00:42:40.302
But Wynn and the track president, charlie Granger, were desperate to figure out how Clark had legally used those machines.

00:42:40.302 --> 00:42:53.458
Buried deep in legal code was an amendment excluding these mutual betting machines from the anti-machine gambling law.

00:42:56.492 --> 00:42:57.195
That's fucked up.

00:42:57.650 --> 00:42:58.956
That's just what the research said.

00:42:59.711 --> 00:43:04.762
No, I get that, but isn't that wild that there's some random amendment to this.

00:43:04.762 --> 00:43:08.213
That just said these are cool not those.

00:43:08.213 --> 00:43:10.159
Fuck those's like.

00:43:10.179 --> 00:43:13.757
That's just wild yeah, just like, and they found it a loophole, basically.

00:43:13.757 --> 00:43:18.474
Yeah, exactly, that's crazy so there was still a little bit of a problem.

00:43:18.474 --> 00:43:20.083
They didn't have any of these machines.

00:43:20.083 --> 00:43:27.333
Of course, not importing them would take too long and nobody knew where clark's old machines had gone, because he did use those in the past.

00:43:28.056 --> 00:43:31.315
So were they like buried in a basement or some random?

00:43:31.315 --> 00:43:32.518
We actually don't really know.

00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:54.081
That's wild win rallied the whole town to search for them, suspecting the city was trying to destroy them oh, and they found four of clark's machines, but we I don't know where it wasn't part of, like the research that I had sure but um, win did also get a couple from a new york track, so he had a good abundance of them.

00:43:54.101 --> 00:44:00.998
Okay, um, but they were all in terrible shape and the mechanics had to work like crazy to freaking fix them before the derby right.

00:44:00.998 --> 00:44:11.644
So then the city was like, excuse me by the way you can't do and they threatened to arrest everyone involved in the betting.

00:44:12.190 --> 00:44:14.579
Isn't that wild that they can just threaten to arrest everybody?

00:44:14.929 --> 00:44:16.353
Wynn took them to court.

00:44:16.773 --> 00:44:18.596
And won and won Wynn won.

00:44:18.996 --> 00:44:19.518
Wynn won.

00:44:19.518 --> 00:44:23.525
Wynn won.

00:44:24.570 --> 00:44:25.697
Wynn won for the horses.

00:44:25.697 --> 00:44:31.719
And the Doby was back on Fucking writer was go win, you won.

00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:35.074
I can't stop, I need to please stop.

00:44:35.134 --> 00:44:37.677
I will, ironically, all the drama.

00:44:37.677 --> 00:44:40.402
Boosted attendance.

00:44:40.402 --> 00:44:41.304
Oh, I'm sure it did.

00:44:41.771 --> 00:44:51.344
Oh my god, the publicity I mean it's amazing even how one side was trying to make it negative still, really kind of said.

00:44:51.750 --> 00:44:54.097
And they kind of say all press is good press.

00:44:54.929 --> 00:44:57.717
Whether it's positive or negative, it just gets your name out.

00:44:57.717 --> 00:44:58.800
There is what they're saying.

00:45:00.072 --> 00:45:06.201
So these mutual betting machines were a huge hit, with betting five times higher than the previous year.

00:45:06.802 --> 00:45:09.065
Oh, geez, wow, that's quite a bit.

00:45:09.289 --> 00:45:13.259
Wynn said that the machine saved racing in Kentucky.

00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:14.422
Sounds that way.

00:45:14.442 --> 00:45:17.797
Mm-hmm, but the Derby was still just kind of a local event.

00:45:17.797 --> 00:45:19.088
Yeah, it's fucking dumb.

00:45:19.088 --> 00:45:25.800
Wynn needed something bigger, some national attention.

00:45:25.820 --> 00:45:27.043
Okay.

00:45:27.063 --> 00:45:35.570
And it happened national.

00:45:35.570 --> 00:45:38.713
Some national attention okay and it happened in 1913 a huge long shot named donna rail.

00:45:38.713 --> 00:45:39.675
Donna rail won the derby.

00:45:39.675 --> 00:45:45.922
Yeah two dollar bet, paying out 184.90 that'd be pretty good back then.

00:45:45.922 --> 00:45:48.806
It was a 91 to 1 odds.

00:45:48.806 --> 00:45:51.329
Holy fuck 91 to 1.

00:45:51.329 --> 00:45:55.380
He was the biggest long shot ever To win the derby.

00:45:55.380 --> 00:45:57.898
Today that would be about 6 million dollars.

00:45:58.190 --> 00:46:01.715
Holy shit, really, that's fucking amazing.

00:46:01.876 --> 00:46:06.842
I know 91 to 1.

00:46:07.452 --> 00:46:07.893
What was his name?

00:46:07.893 --> 00:46:08.516
Again, donner Rail.

00:46:08.670 --> 00:46:10.998
Donner Rail in 1913.

00:46:10.998 --> 00:46:11.699
Wow.

00:46:12.911 --> 00:46:14.878
Six million dollars, could you fucking.

00:46:14.878 --> 00:46:21.775
I mean obviously inflation, but could you imagine, holy shit, that would change someone's life.

00:46:21.996 --> 00:46:22.557
It became a.

00:46:22.557 --> 00:46:24.976
He became a national sensation.

00:46:25.018 --> 00:46:25.800
I'm sure he did.

00:46:26.530 --> 00:46:48.664
When seized this moment and burped I mean he went to the east coast and convinced the influential businessman harry pain whitney okay to run his philly regret okayret in the Derby.

00:46:48.664 --> 00:46:50.034
Now it's filly.

00:46:50.034 --> 00:46:54.516
Yes Is that a type of thoroughbred, because I thought you said thoroughbreds were the only ones.

00:46:54.818 --> 00:46:55.440
It's a female.

00:46:56.811 --> 00:46:57.936
Oh, filly means a female.

00:46:58.016 --> 00:46:58.898
I do believe that's right.

00:46:58.898 --> 00:47:00.775
Oh, I'm on a thump.

00:47:00.795 --> 00:47:03.496
Yeah, okay, her name is Regret.

00:47:05.610 --> 00:47:23.271
I'm pretty sure, unless I'm totally just fucking getting my shit wrong in 1915 regret one she had no regret she was the first philly to do so there you go whitney was ecstatic I'm sure winning the derby was enough, even if she never won another race, right.

00:47:23.271 --> 00:47:25.014
But when said that regrets.

00:47:25.014 --> 00:47:29.262
When made the Derby an American institution, it literally put them over the top.

00:47:29.262 --> 00:47:35.663
So things were starting to take a turn for the better after the boycott also ended.

00:47:35.663 --> 00:47:41.963
Suddenly the Derby was pulling in these huge fields like 20 or more top-notch horses every year.

00:47:41.963 --> 00:47:46.541
Yep, and Matt Wynn was a master at getting press on his side.

00:47:46.721 --> 00:47:47.791
Sure Sounds like it.

00:47:47.911 --> 00:48:01.242
He'd wind down these influential journalists, print and radio guys, and they'd write these glowing reports about the Derby and that's how the race really started getting this national spotlight.

00:48:01.242 --> 00:48:08.664
So in the mid-1920s, Churchill Downs was bursting at the seams with like 80,000 people showing up for the race Right.

00:48:08.664 --> 00:48:12.722
The first radio broadcast of the Derby was in 1925.

00:48:12.722 --> 00:48:15.416
And they were afraid that with this broadcast.

00:48:15.416 --> 00:48:18.143
It would mean less people in the stands.

00:48:18.150 --> 00:48:20.177
Because they didn't have to go there, right?

00:48:20.177 --> 00:48:21.655
No, I can understand that.

00:48:22.110 --> 00:48:23.536
It was the exact opposite.

00:48:23.536 --> 00:48:40.074
There were five to six million listeners, which was a record for any broadcast at the time, with over pretty much half the country turning, tuning up, turning in, but that also didn't look like deter people from going.

00:48:40.134 --> 00:48:42.478
Yes, yes, it was just like it drew people.

00:48:42.498 --> 00:48:51.943
Oh my gosh it did yes, but then the great depression hit oh, people were sad but, but, it made racing even more popular.

00:48:52.304 --> 00:48:53.675
Right, because it was an escape.

00:48:54.351 --> 00:49:04.699
Ten states legalized these mutual betting machines to get some extra cash revenue Sure Tax revenue, not cash Tax revenue.

00:49:04.699 --> 00:49:12.577
And suddenly horse racing was, like the most the most popular sport in the country no for sure, because again.

00:49:12.858 --> 00:49:14.585
So I mean there was baseball back then.

00:49:14.585 --> 00:49:17.474
Obviously football wasn't even really a thing at that time.

00:49:17.474 --> 00:49:19.960
There was college football still and the nfl wasn't.

00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:22.733
You know, it's kind of not there yet.

00:49:22.733 --> 00:49:26.963
It was teams were around but it was like I mean, look how old horse racing is.

00:49:26.963 --> 00:49:28.253
You went over in the beginning.

00:49:28.253 --> 00:49:31.360
So I mean it was a thing to kind of keep the shit going.

00:49:31.481 --> 00:49:38.748
Exactly so, and the Kentucky Derby became the absolute highlight of the racing calendar.

00:49:38.929 --> 00:49:39.090
Right.

00:49:39.210 --> 00:49:44.998
Like people are tuning in Yep as the Derby was finally hitting its stride.

00:49:44.998 --> 00:49:47.146
There were other big spring races.

00:49:47.146 --> 00:49:55.487
Yes, the Belmont, stmont stakes, which is where new york correct and the preakness which is where baltimore- correct.

00:49:55.487 --> 00:49:59.396
They were also doing really well good job on those extra questions however.

00:49:59.396 --> 00:50:05.958
Um, that's not the order they go in, but okay you're right, I actually didn't know that preakness and then belmont is last yep.

00:50:05.958 --> 00:50:14.322
So in 1935, a horse named omaha, he did something incredible do you think that was peyton manning's favorite horse?

00:50:15.572 --> 00:50:18.818
he used to say omaha a lot when he was gonna hike the ball why I?

00:50:18.818 --> 00:50:20.320
Just was his thing.

00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:24.114
Huh, I'll have to play you a clip of him I didn't know that.

00:50:24.114 --> 00:50:28.121
Yeah, he just got omaha, go peyton manning, love that guy.

00:50:28.121 --> 00:50:28.802
He's pretty funny.

00:50:29.143 --> 00:50:29.384
Yeah.

00:50:29.769 --> 00:50:30.914
Did you ever see him on Saturday Night Live?

00:50:30.914 --> 00:50:31.836
If not, you should Okay.

00:50:31.856 --> 00:50:32.960
Because it was fucking hilarious.

00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:34.494
No, but I grew up near Omaha.

00:50:35.076 --> 00:50:37.001
I know Nebraska.

00:50:37.001 --> 00:50:40.938
Are you trying to get what little might be in there?

00:50:40.938 --> 00:50:43.739
Oh, I bet my ice melted a little bit.

00:50:43.739 --> 00:50:56.635
That's why I okay omaha, omaha, a horse, you sounded like pain manning right there.

00:50:56.655 --> 00:51:00.949
Finally won all three races triple crown, and that's when writer charlie hatton came up with the title triple crown.

00:51:00.949 --> 00:51:06.056
Basically it's the ultimate test for any three-year-old racehorse.

00:51:06.056 --> 00:51:14.735
So even went, oh, after they like, they declared like the triple crown was now a thing.

00:51:14.875 --> 00:51:19.748
Yeah, they retroactively went back to other horses.

00:51:19.788 --> 00:51:25.938
That's nice that they did, yep yep, um, so there were two other horses that had won all three before.

00:51:25.938 --> 00:51:26.179
Okay.

00:51:26.179 --> 00:51:28.702
In 1935, Sir Barton.

00:51:29.184 --> 00:51:29.764
Sir Barton.

00:51:29.949 --> 00:51:35.501
And Gallant Fox, and they were retroactively called the Triple Crown winners, so that's pretty cool.

00:51:35.601 --> 00:51:36.041
That is cool.

00:51:36.250 --> 00:51:39.800
Then in 1937, War Admiral won it Sure did.

00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:43.820
And he was the fourth official Triple Crown winner, yep.

00:51:43.820 --> 00:51:47.099
And then the Derby wasn't just a race by itself.

00:51:47.349 --> 00:51:48.394
Yeah, it was a group.

00:51:48.630 --> 00:51:59.740
Yeah, it was a group, yeah it became a kickoff for the whole big spring celebration Weeks long that everyone in the country cared about, and all those years of political headaches and money problems were gone.

00:51:59.740 --> 00:52:06.514
Their Derby was about amazing horses and the races that they were in, right, okay, so the fun part.

00:52:06.675 --> 00:52:07.036
Yay.

00:52:08.269 --> 00:52:09.547
Tradition, tradition, tradition.

00:52:09.547 --> 00:52:13.757
Races that they were in right, okay, so the fun part yay tradition, tradition why?

00:52:13.858 --> 00:52:15.239
why did we get spanish all of a sudden?

00:52:16.021 --> 00:52:16.902
it's russian.

00:52:16.902 --> 00:52:21.139
Thank you, that was russian, that was the russian from fiddler on the roof.

00:52:21.139 --> 00:52:26.235
That's the most spanish russian I've ever heard that's from fiddler on the roof, tevye or whatever.

00:52:26.235 --> 00:52:29.360
I no idea, it's been a long time Tradition.

00:52:29.702 --> 00:52:30.844
Okay, Okay, moving on.

00:52:30.844 --> 00:52:34.994
Anyways, I would like to so tradition.

00:52:35.114 --> 00:52:36.056
Hats and fashion.

00:52:36.237 --> 00:52:37.161
Hats and fashion.

00:52:37.909 --> 00:52:47.264
So hats and fashion were basically taken directly from Meriwether Clark's vision from Europe of the prestige of the race Right.

00:52:47.264 --> 00:52:50.719
So what I'm wearing today, yes, what is it called?

00:52:50.719 --> 00:53:02.501
Do you know what these formal headpieces are called that are worn with a clip which mine is a clip or like a band or a headband as an alternative for a fancy hat?

00:53:02.782 --> 00:53:03.583
I don't know the name.

00:53:03.710 --> 00:53:04.954
It's called a fascinator.

00:53:05.735 --> 00:53:06.920
Yes, that's okay.

00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:08.338
Yes, I did know that this is my fascinator.

00:53:08.358 --> 00:53:08.661
Yes, that's okay.

00:53:08.661 --> 00:53:09.510
Yes, I did know that this is my fascinator.

00:53:09.590 --> 00:53:10.094
I didn't know.

00:53:10.094 --> 00:53:11.347
That's actually what that was called.

00:53:11.407 --> 00:53:11.550
Okay.

00:53:12.152 --> 00:53:13.617
I have heard of fascinator before.

00:53:13.677 --> 00:53:18.681
Yep, and then there are fascinators that have a little bit more of like a cap to it.

00:53:19.083 --> 00:53:20.851
Oh, yeah, and those are called hattinators.

00:53:20.851 --> 00:53:23.757
Oh, well, yes, so fancy.

00:53:23.878 --> 00:53:24.237
I know.

00:53:24.998 --> 00:53:26.141
That is fascinating.

00:53:26.141 --> 00:53:33.878
You will see the British royal family wearing a lot of Wearing the hat-nators, the hat-nators, the fascinators and the fancy hats.

00:53:33.878 --> 00:53:36.398
I think Princess Kate wears a lot of those, right, yep.

00:53:37.710 --> 00:53:43.822
So at one point between the 1980s through now, the fashion kind of took a chaotic turn.

00:53:43.822 --> 00:53:46.838
We're talking pinatas as hats.

00:53:46.838 --> 00:53:49.333
What Like a hat with a?

00:53:49.594 --> 00:53:53.994
I get, I get a horse pinata it was more of a rhetorical like what?

00:53:54.275 --> 00:54:01.271
bird cages with live parakeets and mint julep hat that dispenses actual mint juleps.

00:54:01.271 --> 00:54:02.815
Now that's practical.

00:54:02.815 --> 00:54:05.358
Yes, it was super practical, I don't know.

00:54:05.358 --> 00:54:09.204
Like a pinata with candy in, it would be great.

00:54:12.110 --> 00:54:15.661
I mean, that's what you would wear, but you wouldn't go out, you'd just stay home with it.

00:54:15.681 --> 00:54:17.585
No, I would stay home.

00:54:17.791 --> 00:54:19.978
I'm going to beat the shit out of this pinata and eat my candy.

00:54:20.530 --> 00:54:25.041
But more recently it's more of a cross between a royal wedding and, like Mardi Gras, with feathers.

00:54:25.101 --> 00:54:25.402
Right.

00:54:26.110 --> 00:54:27.898
Okay, so now we have the mint julep.

00:54:28.369 --> 00:54:30.130
We do Well, like marty girl with feathers, right, okay, so now we have the mint julep.

00:54:30.130 --> 00:54:30.400
We do well, we did.

00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:31.981
Hey, look at, you can see more, since ice is melting.

00:54:32.641 --> 00:54:43.989
Hey, kentucky derby, 2025, history buffoons yes, so it was originally used for medicinal purposes in the south for stomach aches and hangovers.

00:54:43.989 --> 00:54:48.519
I'm not sure how, because this could make a hangover I just just used it for medicinal purposes.

00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:48.900
Did you?

00:54:48.900 --> 00:54:50.853
Yeah, what was your ailment?

00:54:50.853 --> 00:54:52.860
It's weak, had to work.

00:54:52.860 --> 00:55:09.614
Not sure how it could be used medicinally, but in 1938 it became the signature drink at the Derby Each year over a two-day period, because there's like a smaller race there's a lot of races.

00:55:10.356 --> 00:55:11.500
Yeah, kentucky Oaks.

00:55:11.500 --> 00:55:12.451
Yeah, yeah, there's.

00:55:12.451 --> 00:55:15.949
Those are usually on Friday, and then there's races leading up to the.

00:55:15.949 --> 00:55:17.697
Derby all day on Saturday through.

00:55:17.697 --> 00:55:19.416
They have a lot of grass.

00:55:19.416 --> 00:55:23.856
You know field races and um dare I say downs.

00:55:23.856 --> 00:55:26.414
See what you did there.

00:55:26.414 --> 00:55:27.338
Thanks yeah.

00:55:31.650 --> 00:55:32.391
So pounds, see what you did there.

00:55:32.391 --> 00:55:32.733
Thanks, yeah.

00:55:32.793 --> 00:55:56.498
So over a two-day period it's approximated that they go through about 10 000 bottles of kentucky derby or kentucky bourbon kentucky derby I think you've had a little too much kentucky derby am I right 10 000 bottles of kentucky bourbon they also go through a lot of lemonade too 2,250 pounds of freshly harvested mint, and we know how light mint is, yeah that's a lot of fucking mint, holy shit.

00:55:57.065 --> 00:56:07.177
The beverage is served in an ice-frosted silver julep cup, but most people sip it from souvenir glasses that are revised each year essentially.

00:56:07.177 --> 00:56:09.717
Then we have Garland of Roses.

00:56:09.717 --> 00:56:15.501
Yes, so a socialite named E Barry Wall.

00:56:15.862 --> 00:56:20.217
Okay, I don't understand the pause.

00:56:21.090 --> 00:56:26.021
I want you to ask me what E stands for, because I actually looked it up thinking you were going to ask me what E stands for.

00:56:26.021 --> 00:56:27.384
Go ahead, ask me.

00:56:27.384 --> 00:56:35.126
Ask me what does E stand for in E Barry Hall what does the e stand for, kate?

00:56:35.126 --> 00:56:44.333
Evander that was the weakest build-up ever, jesus I was like he's gonna ask me what the e stands for.

00:56:44.353 --> 00:56:49.826
I better look, and then the funny thing is, I wasn't gonna do that evander.

00:56:50.646 --> 00:56:50.907
Okay.

00:56:50.907 --> 00:56:57.338
So he, a socialite, passed out roses like post-derby party, to like a bunch of women in 1883.

00:56:57.338 --> 00:57:03.753
Right, and then in 1896, winner Ben Brush was draped with roses and the crowd loved it.

00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:04.965
So this is pretty cool.

00:57:05.099 --> 00:57:08.976
So then, the rose became the official flower of the derby in 1904.

00:57:08.976 --> 00:57:10.000
Yes, Okay.

00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:17.333
And then in 1925, sports writer Bill Corum coined the phrase run for the roses.

00:57:17.333 --> 00:57:21.389
Now it's a 40-pound garland.

00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:23.527
Yeah, that they drape over the back of the horse.

00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:27.271
Yeah, it smells like success and probably mild allergies.

00:57:27.271 --> 00:57:32.452
How many roses are stitched into the garland?

00:57:32.452 --> 00:57:36.949
This is, I think, your last question how many roses are stitched onto the garland?

00:57:37.561 --> 00:57:46.655
I'm gonna go with ten thousand five, five, four, five hundred fifty four right how'd you know that?

00:57:46.655 --> 00:57:51.061
Because you really randomly put your hand up, which will be on video.

00:57:51.061 --> 00:57:56.003
There it is 554.

00:57:57.884 --> 00:58:04.786
The number is based on the length of the garland which is usually about 122 inches long from chest to flank.

00:58:05.545 --> 00:58:05.666
Oh.

00:58:06.005 --> 00:58:14.409
So there's also a specific lattice pattern that they're all arranged into and just 554 just worked perfectly.

00:58:14.728 --> 00:58:15.429
Okay, fair enough.

00:58:15.690 --> 00:58:17.869
That's really the only reason for the number.

00:58:18.010 --> 00:58:18.231
Sure.

00:58:18.231 --> 00:58:19.030
No, that makes sense.

00:58:19.231 --> 00:58:23.231
But of course we also can't forget the iconic grandstand.

00:58:23.492 --> 00:58:25.132
Nope, that's been around for a while.

00:58:25.132 --> 00:58:25.393
The.

00:58:25.413 --> 00:58:26.713
Twin Spires, Yep.

00:58:26.713 --> 00:58:35.396
It was built by 24-year-old Joseph Dominique Valdez in 1895.

00:58:35.396 --> 00:58:36.516
Jesus 24.

00:58:36.516 --> 00:58:44.681
And it very quickly became a symbol of the Kentucky Derby and Churchill Downs itself, yeah, I mean on a lot of their.

00:58:45.083 --> 00:58:55.411
I guess even we'll call it advertising they always have the twin spires up there and everything and it's very noticeable and you have to have a lot of money today to sit on that grandstand.

00:58:55.500 --> 00:59:14.364
Most people are just in the the infield yeah because that's where all the the buffoons sit the mid-tier below mid mid-tier buffoons yeah well, there are a bunch of other traditions, like there's a kentucky song and and uh that kind of kentucky home yeah um, but those were kind of the main ones.

00:59:14.364 --> 00:59:32.105
But, um, yeah, that is the uh, the two fastest minutes in sports it's not called the two fast, the fastest two minutes in sports the fastest two minutes in sports and the slowest hangover in history.

00:59:32.105 --> 00:59:38.655
The kentucky derby, what the fuck the slowest hangover.

00:59:39.235 --> 00:59:39.635
Do you already?

00:59:39.635 --> 00:59:56.231
Have one, I mean no okay so that's the history of the kentucky derby I'm surprised you haven't asked me who my favorite horse is I know what your favorite horse has his favorite horse is secretariat.

00:59:56.291 --> 01:00:04.106
Yes, and I think the most recent winner of the triple crown was american pharaoh that sounds right.

01:00:05.708 --> 01:00:08.112
That was a couple years back that was a few years back.

01:00:08.112 --> 01:00:08.900
I have the.

01:00:08.900 --> 01:00:14.329
I have a couple bottles of maker's mark, because that's kentucky bourbon.

01:00:14.329 --> 01:00:18.760
Um, they do these special bottles for old winners and stuff.

01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:20.483
Um, I have three of them.

01:00:20.483 --> 01:00:29.809
I have justify american, pharaoh and seattle slew and unopened, all unopened, which is kind of sad, but I'm just kidding.

01:00:29.809 --> 01:00:36.389
Um, they're pretty cool, I like them, but I think, american or no, is that the last one?

01:00:36.548 --> 01:00:36.768
I don't.

01:00:36.829 --> 01:00:37.630
I guess I'm drawing a blank.

01:00:37.650 --> 01:00:39.313
I want to say American Pharaoh is the last one.

01:00:39.340 --> 01:01:02.612
It happened a couple years back but Secretariat has always been my favorite horse, and it's not just because he was the most one of the most popular, he was a fucking beast we're gonna watch Secretariat from Disney yeah, with Diane Lane honestly, I can't tell you enough how much I love this movie.

01:01:02.612 --> 01:01:06.949
You have said that I think I've seen part of it once.

01:01:06.949 --> 01:01:09.148
I don't think I've ever actually seen the full movie.

01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:15.710
Diane Lane is great and John Malkovich is in it oh is he Mm-hmm.

01:01:15.710 --> 01:01:19.947
And Lafayette from True Blood is in it.

01:01:20.106 --> 01:01:20.748
He passed away.

01:01:20.748 --> 01:01:22.110
He did pass away.

01:01:22.110 --> 01:01:22.692
That was really sad.

01:01:22.692 --> 01:01:23.393
I like that guy.

01:01:23.393 --> 01:01:26.063
Yeah, one of my favorites.

01:01:26.063 --> 01:01:35.809
It has nothing to do with the three horse races that were well, kentucky Derby we're talking about, but involved the Triple Crown, but one of my favorite horses was Seabiscuit as well.

01:01:35.809 --> 01:01:36.391
That movie.

01:01:36.391 --> 01:01:39.525
I involved the triple crown, but one of my favorite horses was sea biscuit as well.

01:01:39.525 --> 01:01:39.746
That movie.

01:01:39.746 --> 01:01:42.672
I really enjoy that movie with toby mcguire and, uh what jeff bridges and all that.

01:01:42.672 --> 01:01:45.844
But, um, I don't think I've ever actually fully seen secretariat.

01:01:45.844 --> 01:01:51.344
If I do, I don't recall, but that came out like at least 10 plus years ago now.

01:01:51.384 --> 01:01:53.425
Right, oh yeah it's been out for a minute.

01:01:53.565 --> 01:01:53.786
Yeah.

01:01:53.907 --> 01:01:59.414
But For sure, anyways, he had like an enlarged heart.

01:01:59.414 --> 01:02:01.715
I guess when they Secretariat did yeah.

01:02:01.715 --> 01:02:10.411
I think when they, after he passed away and they studied him kind of thing, because he was just, he just destroyed everybody at the Belmont.

01:02:10.659 --> 01:02:13.065
What's the animal version of an autopsy?

01:02:14.068 --> 01:02:14.650
I'm not sure.

01:02:14.952 --> 01:02:27.047
Yeah, I think there's like a separate name for it, so I'm assuming that's what they did for him, I would imagine, but uh, he was a fucking beast autopsy sure, I see what you did there.

01:02:27.047 --> 01:02:33.025
I don't know if I like what you did there, but I see what you did there anyways, do you?

01:02:33.025 --> 01:02:40.824
I I'm drawing a blank which, unfortunately, so obviously, the kentucky derby is the run for the roses um each.

01:02:40.824 --> 01:02:44.391
Are you looking it up?

01:02:44.391 --> 01:02:45.693
What are you looking up?

01:02:45.693 --> 01:02:46.233
The horse?

01:02:46.233 --> 01:02:57.275
So each, each race does have a specific flower, and I want to say necropsy necropsy okay I have heard that before.

01:02:57.295 --> 01:02:57.916
Yeah, I have too.

01:02:58.420 --> 01:03:00.065
I would not have pulled that anyways.

01:03:00.065 --> 01:03:10.550
Um, each of the three races, though, does have their a specific drink like, and each one has a specific flower that is associated with them.

01:03:10.550 --> 01:03:14.507
I don't know what those are off the top of my head yeah I love the kentucky derby.

01:03:14.507 --> 01:03:15.789
That's the one I always watch.

01:03:15.789 --> 01:03:18.702
Typically I try and watch the preakness.

01:03:18.702 --> 01:03:28.052
If, no, if the same horse doesn't win both, I usually forget to watch I like to watch the belmont and it's the longest of the three races.

01:03:28.996 --> 01:03:34.907
Um, that's why it's so impressive what secretary did at it, because he just literally destroyed everyone else in that race.

01:03:34.907 --> 01:03:45.393
He beat them by like 10 furlongs or whatever it was, but I don't remember the drink or the flower.

01:03:45.393 --> 01:03:48.128
I think one's got like a black-eyed Susan or something, I don't fucking remember.

01:03:48.289 --> 01:03:48.971
Oh, that could be.

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I don't recall which race, each flower for each race, but it's kind of cool that they did that for a tradition type standard.

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wait while we have kate type it in black height susan that's it, yes and black height susan cocktail right that is for the preakness okay and then for the Preakness.

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Okay, and then for the Belmont yes, this is great because you're just like pecking at it.

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No, don't allow.

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Don't allow.

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Hello.

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Hello, can you not find it?

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Or did you fuck it?

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up, oh jesus, it doesn't even say it's, it's, it's quite all right.

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Well, I mean, now I feel like we have to finish this.

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So no, it's not all right.

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Figured the fuck out white carnation really that sounds so boring I didn't think that was right, but okay, I guess I didn't know, and the belmont breeze that's what it is.

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Yes, so I, I like the, the mint julep, I like bourbon, so it's white carnation interesting I like the roses better, Plus red's my favorite color, so Did you like my fascinator?

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Is it fascinating?

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I was fascinated by your fascinator.

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I was even more fascinated how you had trouble getting it on with your head With my headphones.

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So where'd you go?

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Oh, there you are, hey.

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Yeah, it doesn't.

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It's probably not like the best pairing.

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But whatever it worked.

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So how'd you like your mint julep?

01:05:44.009 --> 01:05:44.711
It was delicious.

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Once we're done here, I'm going to go make another one.

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Yes, how do you feel about our first video?

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I'm undetermined.

01:05:51.666 --> 01:05:51.967
Same.

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I haven't been able to wash myself, so that's probably a saving grace.

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For the better.

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We did video this.

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That doesn't mean it will see the light of day.

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When I go through the editing process I will determine if this gets released ever okay, so I had sovereignty and you had.

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Burnham, burnham Square.

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Burnham Square Burnham.

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Burnham Square, burnham.

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Square.

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Yes, stay tuned, folks, stay tuned.

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Also.

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Yes.

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We're going to do a horse race on camera.

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Oh yes.

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It's going to be a short.

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We'll do a short.

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So find that on YouTube.

01:06:31.164 --> 01:06:33.190
Yeah, so, oh dear.

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This is a bit ago my buddy Patrick and this is before he moved out to the maryland area um had a kentucky derby viewing at his house and invited me over because he knows I like horse racing too.

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He and I always rather enjoyed it.

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And uh, he bought this game and I'm like that's pretty fucking cool.

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So I bought it like the next day kind of thing.

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I have yet to use it.

01:06:57.012 --> 01:07:02.748
So the only time I ever opened it was to put a battery in it, so to make sure we have so it could work.

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Can I name one of the horses?

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Sovereignty.

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I mean, why don't we?

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I'll name one as well, okay, burnham Square.

01:07:10.592 --> 01:07:11.012
That's fine.

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As long as the winner is Sovereignty, what?

01:07:12.570 --> 01:07:13.619
As long as the winner is sovereignty, what?

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What Anyways?

01:07:15.722 --> 01:07:22.327
So we'll do a short on that of our horse race and we'll try and figure that out.

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This will be interesting.

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We are new to this video portion of the podcast.

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I don't know if this will work.

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This is our first go.

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I might even edit all this out if it doesn't work, because then I can just put it on our normal podcasting platforms.

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But anyways, I hope this works well.

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Yeah calm the fuck down, I suppose.

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